Post by: Flaming Antler Outdoors on July 13, 2022, 06:16:37 PM
WDFW FISHING RULE CHANGE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
1111 Washington St. SE, Olympia, WA 98501
wdfw.wa.gov
July 11, 2022
Salmon fishing suspended in south-central Puget Sound (Marine Area 11) beginning July 13
Action: Closes salmon fishing.
Effective date: July 13 through Aug. 2, 2022.
Species affected: Salmon.
Location: Marine Area 11
Reason for action: Estimates of landed catch to date indicate that 58% of the harvest quota (1,625 of 2,816) agreed to in this year’s List of Agreed Fisheries (LOAF) has been landed. Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. Therefore, WDFW is suspending the fishery through Aug. 2 to preserve opportunity for later in the summer season.
Additional information: Marine Area 11 will reopen Wednesday, Aug. 3, on a Wednesday to Saturday schedule as listed in the 2022/23 Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet.
Year-round fishing piers, Dash Point Dock, Des Moines Pier, Les Davis Pier, Point Defiance Boathouse Dock, and Redondo Pier remain open as listed in the 2022/23 Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet.
To be informed of fishery rule changes as they are announced, anglers are encouraged to sign up for WDFW rule update emails at wdfw.wa.gov/about/lists .
Information contact: Fish Program, 360-902-2700
Fishers must have a current Washington fishing license, appropriate to the fishery. Check the WDFW "Fishing in Washington" rules pamphlet for details on fishing seasons and regulations. Fishing rules are subject to change. Check the WDFW Fishing hotline for the latest rule information at 360-902-2500, press 2 for recreational rules. For the Shellfish Rule Change hotline call 360-796-3215 or toll free 1-866-880-5431.
Individuals who need to receive this information in an alternative format, language, or who need reasonable accommodations to participate in WDFW-sponsored public meetings or other activities may contact the Title VI/ADA Compliance Coordinator by phone at 360-902-2349, TTY (711), or email (Title6@dfw.wa.gov). For more information, see https://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/requests-accommodation.
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Post by: Flaming Antler Outdoors on July 13, 2022, 06:18:30 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:36 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 13, 2022, 06:44:12 PM
Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%. Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe. Politics like everything else.
Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...
I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.
Post by: Griiz on July 13, 2022, 06:58:17 PM
Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%. Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe. Politics like everything else.
Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...
I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.
I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.
Post by: Stein on July 13, 2022, 07:05:09 PM
Or, as many said, it's encounters so there could be a bunch of smolt being projected to have been caught as opposed to adult fish bonked.
Post by: Tbar on July 13, 2022, 07:07:56 PM
:dunno:Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%. Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe. Politics like everything else.
Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...
I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.
I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.
Did you read the release? It says "Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. "
So did tribes infiltrate the advisory group? Or did they stop at agreed upon Encounters? SMH
Post by: Crunchy on July 13, 2022, 07:33:08 PM
Post by: Dysfunctional Vet on July 13, 2022, 08:08:43 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 13, 2022, 08:17:36 PM
what’s your point? I’m a bit confused, are you saying the tribes won’t fish as usual?:dunno:Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%. Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe. Politics like everything else.
Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...
I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.
I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.
Did you read the release? It says "Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. "
So did tribes infiltrate the advisory group? Or did they stop at agreed upon Encounters? SMH
Post by: bigdub257 on July 13, 2022, 08:37:22 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 13, 2022, 09:07:01 PM
That's going to end well. Gee.. Wonder why areas are seeing increase in pressure.
Don't get me started on the ma 4/5 debacle...
Wdfw is playing chess with the salmon season's. We are just pawns.
Post by: wadu1 on July 13, 2022, 09:45:18 PM
Post by: Griiz on July 14, 2022, 06:19:15 AM
Post by: 2MANY on July 14, 2022, 06:33:18 AM
They swim in a world of paper fish.
Morons should all be fired and a private contractor should manage our resources.
Post by: trophyhunt on July 14, 2022, 06:35:47 AM
WDFW is nothing more than a group of paper educated idiots.Except for shanequa, she does a good job. But seriously, I agree with you, this is such BS.
They swim in a world of paper fish.
Morons should all be fired and a private contractor should manage our resources.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on July 14, 2022, 11:22:31 AM
Post by: JBG on July 14, 2022, 11:55:28 AM
WDFW is nothing more than a group of paper educated idiots.
They swim in a world of paper fish.
Morons should all be fired and a private contractor should manage our resources.
Yes a private contractor. What could go wrong :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: duckmen1 on July 14, 2022, 12:06:38 PM
Not to mention the area 1 nearshore closure. Because the king quota hit 29%. Maybe don’t let people keep 22” fish as adults? I know that would help in the early part of the season.
Only thing is you would release a 22 incher and then the encounter would close the fishery. :chuckle: This state
Post by: metlhead on July 14, 2022, 12:20:01 PM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on July 14, 2022, 12:22:04 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 14, 2022, 12:32:05 PM
Luckily we never catch any shakers or wild fish when we’re fishing anywhere! Kind of surprising, guess we’re just that good!😉😂
Problem is they don't care what you or I report...they are making up the numbers as they go.
Post by: metlhead on July 14, 2022, 12:40:59 PM
Post by: metlhead on July 14, 2022, 12:43:27 PM
Post by: JBG on July 14, 2022, 01:03:10 PM
Also, are tribal and commercial numbers calculated with encounters or physical dead fish?
If they are using nets or dip nets I think the encounter is either the fish is dead or there wasnt an encounter. Im not sure if there is a mortality associated with a fish that momentarily gets caught in the net then swims out of it. There is a mortality that has been studied with fisherman encounters with fish.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on July 14, 2022, 01:08:32 PM
Luckily we never catch any shakers or wild fish when we’re fishing anywhere! Kind of surprising, guess we’re just that good!😉😂
Problem is they don't care what you or I report...they are making up the numbers as they go.
After being intimately involved and working for WDFW........I endorse this advertisement! :chuckle:
Post by: metlhead on July 14, 2022, 01:37:19 PM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on July 14, 2022, 01:45:30 PM
Post by: Viking360 on July 14, 2022, 02:07:05 PM
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on July 14, 2022, 02:25:27 PM
I think the main problem is the increasing base of recreational anglers and lack of released fish to accommodate them. Puget Sound fisheries are doomed, ya'll have no habitat anymore, restoration is happening slower than development of the same habitat type they are trying to make. And the general disassociation between the public and where their food or others (sportsmans) actually come from leads the public to view harvest in a bad light.
Suing the federal government and the state has become big business for non-profits. By law all their expenses are paid for if the win the case, therefore can hire the largest legal team they can assemble for free. Then they use the lawyers to exploit loopholes to close hatcheries, fisheries etc. under the guise of preserving the resource.
Just wait, until next year when the state drops their "Capture with a camera not on a hook campaign."
:twocents: I'm out :hello:
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on July 14, 2022, 02:31:19 PM
I'll just say some of these comments are spot on and some are off the mark. I feel like this topic comes up every year.
I think the main problem is the increasing base of recreational anglers and lack of released fish to accommodate them. Puget Sound fisheries are doomed, ya'll have no habitat anymore, restoration is happening slower than development of the same habitat type they are trying to make. And the general disassociation between the public and where their food or others (sportsmans) actually come from leads the public to view harvest in a bad light.
Suing the federal government and the state has become big business for non-profits. By law all their expenses are paid for if the win the case, therefore can hire the largest legal team they can assemble for free. Then they use the lawyers to exploit loopholes to close hatcheries, fisheries etc. under the guise of preserving the resource.
Just wait, until next year when the state drops their "Capture with a camera not on a hook campaign."
:twocents: I'm out :hello:
:yeah:
Hatcheries are a lifeline where production has been decreased for the sake of “wild” fish recovery. Production needs to be brought back to 90’s levels.
Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2022, 03:54:46 PM
what’s your point? I’m a bit confused, are you saying the tribes won’t fish as usual?:dunno:Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%. Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe. Politics like everything else.
Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...
I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.
I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.
Did you read the release? It says "Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. "
So did tribes infiltrate the advisory group? Or did they stop at agreed upon Encounters? SMH
I think what he’s saying is there was an agreed upon quota that was set by “sport fishing advisory group and other members of the public” to preserve the ability to fish kings in august too. So shut it down now and save some fish for august fishing? Really I have no clue how any of that works, but that’s how I read it.
Post by: Flaming Antler Outdoors on July 15, 2022, 07:54:01 AM
Post by: Stein on July 15, 2022, 10:19:04 AM
That said, I don't know there is any evidence WDFW is doing anything other than that.
Someone should send in a FOI and find out.
Post by: birddogdad on July 19, 2022, 07:09:39 AM
You apply metrics to the nets just the same. If the tribe or commercial goes over, they go over and should lose quota next year or get a huge quota penalty if you want to take from recs (there should be a big "give" to go along with the take, but that doesn't happen). Without data we should not be applying anything extra. Abide by the agreement as written.
That said, I don't know there is any evidence WDFW is doing anything other than that.
Someone should send in a FOI and find out.
never going to impose restrictions on tribes.. they have lawyers... us however are on our own and low hanging fruit for regulation and fines to payrole the state industry