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Title: moose draw
Post by: rasbo on May 18, 2009, 02:36:53 PM
anyone ever get drawn for moose with 2 points..or will I be the first :chuckle:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: ghgetter on May 18, 2009, 02:53:12 PM
It happens every year...a couple times.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: andrew_12gauge on May 18, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
if you had 2 points you will have 3 goin in this year and a buddy of mine drew the selkirk tag with 3 a coupla years ago you always have a shot its just a lot worse than all the guys who will have 14 this year
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 18, 2009, 04:19:58 PM
Friend drew selkirk last year with 2 points and killed a top 5 in the state bull.  Lucky SOB.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: boneaddict on May 18, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
I drew with 3
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bearpaw on May 18, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
I have had a couple hunters who drew the first year they applied.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: jackelope on May 18, 2009, 04:34:59 PM
I drew with 3

i'm in with 3... 1 unit only.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: rasbo on May 18, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
I drew with 3

i'm in with 3... 1 unit only.

im only putting in for 49degrees
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: jackelope on May 18, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 18, 2009, 04:55:00 PM
I drew with 3

Was 3 max?
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Jackjr on May 20, 2009, 08:51:39 PM
I know a guy who drew the first year putting in :bash:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: 280ackley on May 20, 2009, 08:56:28 PM
My brother only had three or four points when he drew.  It is possable to draw anytime.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: littlebuf on May 20, 2009, 09:20:04 PM
it will be you and me both drawing with two points in for 49 north. that will just make finding a hunting partner easier
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: TheHunt on May 20, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
Wow, that is amazing I drew with 12 a year ago...  lucky son of a guns
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: huntnphool on May 20, 2009, 10:28:41 PM
I was maxed last year but only applied for one unit each year.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Caretaker on May 20, 2009, 10:37:26 PM
Why would you only apply for one unit?  With WA being a once in a lifetime tag why even risk only trying one unit?  Why waste your years as life passes you up and risk never getting drawn?  I don't get it, maybe I'm missing something here.

Caretaker
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: huntnphool on May 20, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
Several reasons actually that I would be glad to discuss with you face to face one day. ;)
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bobcat on May 20, 2009, 10:47:57 PM
Caretaker,   Normally I would agree with what you are saying, but in this case the unit they are talking about has the best odds of any of the bull tags so if that's their number one choice it wouldn't improve their odds of drawing by putting down a 2nd, 3rd, and/or a 4th choice.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: huntnphool on May 20, 2009, 11:07:05 PM
Spot on Bobcat, thats one of them. :tup:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Aneoakleaf on May 20, 2009, 11:13:46 PM
I'm going to get one of them! I'm in with 13 points :chuckle: :chuckle:
I did put in for 4 units , too.  :brew:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Caretaker on May 20, 2009, 11:32:08 PM
Let's use 8 points as the average, based on last years permits/applicants, Selkirk range has better odds the 49 Deg North.

49 Deg - 2008 Permits/2008 applicants - 26/13,792 = .18% chance of getting drawn
Selkirk Mtns - 2008 Permits/2008 applicants - 25/11,392 = .21% chance of getting drawn
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 20, 2009, 11:38:20 PM
Not moose.  But I know of a guy who drew the Watershed tag twice, with 0 points both times... :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Aneoakleaf on May 20, 2009, 11:44:20 PM
Not moose.  But I know of a guy who drew the Watershed tag twice, with 0 points both times... :bash: :bash:
no dude....they give you one point when you apply :chuckle:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 20, 2009, 11:47:38 PM
I know.  But what I meant was that he drew the unit first try both times.  0 bonus points...  Wasn't even serious, didn't kill an elk either time.  Buddy talked him into it both times... :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2009, 08:28:08 AM
Let's use 8 points as the average, based on last years permits/applicants, Selkirk range has better odds the 49 Deg North.

49 Deg - 2008 Permits/2008 applicants - 26/13,792 = .18% chance of getting drawn
Selkirk Mtns - 2008 Permits/2008 applicants - 25/11,392 = .21% chance of getting drawn


I prefer to do it this way: 

49 Degrees:  13,788/26 = 1 in 530
Selkirk:         11,392/25 = 1 in 456

But yes you are right, Selkirk has slightly better odds. I guess I should have said something more like of the units he wants to hunt, 49 Degrees has the best odds, so in that case there's no reason to put down any more than just the one choice. The odds on 49 and Selkirk are virtually the same anyway. Look at a permit like Three Forks... the odds on that would be 1 in 1611. So if somebody wants to draw that hunt, they would want it to be their number one choice.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 21, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
Let's use 8 points as the average, based on last years permits/applicants, Selkirk range has better odds the 49 Deg North.

49 Deg - 2008 Permits/2008 applicants - 26/13,792 = .18% chance of getting drawn
Selkirk Mtns - 2008 Permits/2008 applicants - 25/11,392 = .21% chance of getting drawn


I prefer to do it this way: 

49 Degrees:  13,788/26 = 1 in 530
Selkirk:         11,392/25 = 1 in 456

But yes you are right, Selkirk has slightly better odds. I guess I should have said something more like of the units he wants to hunt, 49 Degrees has the best odds, so in that case there's no reason to put down any more than just the one choice. The odds on 49 and Selkirk are virtually the same anyway. Look at a permit like Three Forks... the odds on that would be 1 in 1611. So if somebody wants to draw that hunt, they would want it to be their number one choice.

HEY!!  Have you been logging on to WDFW with my Wild ID #...?? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2009, 08:49:36 AM
Why, do you have Three Forks #1, 49 Degrees #2, and Selkirk #3 ???
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 21, 2009, 08:53:22 AM
Why, do you have Three Forks #1, 49 Degrees #2, and Selkirk #3 ???

Yeah, in that order...
Of course my methodology was based upon a bull I saw 5 years ago that's probably dead by now.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: GoldTip on May 21, 2009, 09:12:09 AM
My buddy drew in 2007 on the REDRAW with I think 4 points going into it and it was either his 3rd or 4th choice unit.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: huntnphool on May 21, 2009, 09:14:00 AM
Caretaker, for me if I was to draw a tag I only wanted to hunt that unit, all the reasons aside, that is why I only applied for 49DN.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Bean Counter on May 21, 2009, 09:19:43 AM
It seems though Selkirk and 49N are the most popular units--anybody know which is reputed to put out bigger bulls on the public land?
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Caretaker on May 21, 2009, 09:22:26 AM
Thanks, I was just trying to understand the logic behind applying only for one unit.  For me, for moose, I selected 4 units, 49 DN being one of them but not my top choice (atleast this year).
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 21, 2009, 09:23:28 AM
My buddy drew in 2007 on the REDRAW with I think 4 points going into it and it was either his 3rd or 4th choice unit.
Did he tag up?  Big bull?
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: GoldTip on May 21, 2009, 10:35:17 AM
He tagged a bull in the Huckleberry unit.  Would not consider it a big bull by any strecth, a very tasty bull yes, not a big bull to be honest.  He made up for it this past October when we went to Canada taking a beautiful bull.

To be honest he said he just felt a ton of pressure with that Moose tag in his pocket.  He passed on several bulls the first four days of season, and despite having lots of time left, he dropped a very tasty young bull that was an easy pack out.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2009, 11:04:57 AM
bull that was an easy pack out.

Isn't that the best kind of moose?  If I ever draw a moose tag that's what I will be looking for... the biggest bull CLOSE to a road.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 21, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
Caretaker, for me if I was to draw a tag I only wanted to hunt that unit, all the reasons aside, that is why I only applied for 49DN.
How big was the rack on your bull from 49DN?
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
Caretaker, for me if I was to draw a tag I only wanted to hunt that unit, all the reasons aside, that is why I only applied for 49DN.
How big was the rack on your bull from 49DN?

Is that a serious question?    :chuckle:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Curly on May 21, 2009, 11:43:01 AM
 :chuckle: :chuckle: ;)
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 21, 2009, 11:43:32 AM
Uh oh
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 21, 2009, 11:46:20 AM
yea I put in for 49DN and was wondering what size moose and rack I could expect to get there.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Machias on May 21, 2009, 11:48:54 AM
yea I put in for 49DN and was wondering what size moose and rack I could expect to get there.

Here you go:

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,12363.0.html
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 21, 2009, 11:58:21 AM
OMG no way he shot a moose without antlers? that totally bites. I guess you can't eat the antlers but sure would be nice to have them displayed on your wall!!
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2009, 12:02:58 PM
I thought perhaps you were just giving him a hard time. Didn't realize you hadn't seen the story.  Yeah it goes to show that if you do draw a moose tag it might be best to kill one earlier in the season.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2009, 12:04:06 PM
 :chuckle:

unless you are more into shed hunting than moose hunting.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 21, 2009, 12:07:12 PM
I feel sorry for him now I might have to take him on my next Alaskan moose float hunt.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: TeacherMan on May 21, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
Why would you only apply for one unit?  With WA being a once in a lifetime tag why even risk only trying one unit?  Why waste your years as life passes you up and risk never getting drawn?  I don't get it, maybe I'm missing something here.

Caretaker

This is the first year that I have put in all four areas on my tag. I have 13 or 14 points this year. The reason that I have never done this in the past is that I really know the 49 unit very well. I grew up in that unit and know where I can find bulls that will go over 50". I dont know how many more years I will be in WA so I put in for everything this year. I still will hold out for a nice bull if I get it.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
I think phool will come on here and say he has no regrets of how his moose hunt played out, had a great time with great people and saw some great animals. there would be no need to feel bad for him and take him to alaska....
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 21, 2009, 12:19:40 PM
I still would need someone to pack out my moose!! :chuckle:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2009, 12:26:08 PM
OHHH....i'll go.
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 21, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
Why would you only apply for one unit?  With WA being a once in a lifetime tag why even risk only trying one unit?  Why waste your years as life passes you up and risk never getting drawn?  I don't get it, maybe I'm missing something here.

Caretaker

This is the first year that I have put in all four areas on my tag. I have 13 or 14 points this year. The reason that I have never done this in the past is that I really know the 49 unit very well. I grew up in that unit and know where I can find bulls that will go over 50". I dont know how many more years I will be in WA so I put in for everything this year. I still will hold out for a nice bull if I get it.

I still can't bring myself to put down a 4th choice.  I know that I should probably put one, then just scout and bug the biologists until I get draw, but I just don't know the other areas enough to make myself put down another choice.  Maybe next year if I am not concentrating on an out of state hunt like I am now.

"...don't know how many more years I will be in WA..."?  That sounds ominous Teacherman.  Are you planning on doing some job hunting while you are in Montana antelope hunting this year...?
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: bow4elk on May 21, 2009, 12:40:04 PM
Friend drew selkirk last year with 2 points and killed a top 5 in the state bull.  Lucky SOB.

Photos?  Need the day dream stimulation... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: huntnphool on May 21, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
:chuckle:unless you are more into shed hunting than moose hunting.

 Now thats some funny chit right there :chuckle: good one Jackelope. :tup:

 Actually Sky, no regrets at all. I was looking for a 50"+ bull with split brows and was prepared to go the distance to get it ( I really wanted to get my name above Dougs in the book :chuckle:)

 We found the bull to do it the first weekend and I spent the rest of the time trying to get him, the opportunity just never presented itself.

 As far as packing goes, M-Ray has been wanting to pack a rear quarter since I wouldn't let him pack one of mine, his back is bad and I didn't want to listen to the whining the rest of my life :chuckle: Actually it turns out to be a good thing too, he found out yesterday its worse than he thought, ruptured discs :yike:
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: rougheye on May 21, 2009, 04:33:22 PM
:chuckle:unless you are more into shed hunting than moose hunting.

 Now thats some funny chit right there :chuckle: good one Jackelope. :tup:

 Actually Sky, no regrets at all. I was looking for a 50"+ bull with split brows and was prepared to go the distance to get it ( I really wanted to get my name above Dougs in the book :chuckle:)

 We found the bull to do it the first weekend and I spent the rest of the time trying to get him, the opportunity just never presented itself.

 As far as packing goes, M-Ray has been wanting to pack a rear quarter since I wouldn't let him pack one of mine, his back is bad and I didn't want to listen to the whining the rest of my life :chuckle: Actually it turns out to be a good thing too, he found out yesterday its worse than he thought, ruptured discs :yike:
Thats not good  :yike: 
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 22, 2009, 05:29:22 AM
ouch that bites. I know about the back thing I had a couple herniated discs. A little numbness after the surgery and load me up I am good to go. Well congrats on sticking with your goals with respect to the moose. Perhaps you will draw the raffle tag!!
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: SHANE(WA) on May 26, 2009, 06:56:30 AM
My  buddy drew Mt spokane in 02 with his first ever app for anything. Friends of our family drew the first moose tag ever in WA, then somebody stole the antlers about a week later  :bash:
I put in for hangman, way better odds and some giant bulls
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Hunt4ever on May 26, 2009, 08:38:46 AM
i drew in 2007 with one point...
Title: Re: moose draw
Post by: Wea300mag on May 26, 2009, 09:19:15 AM
All I know is that anywhere from 1 to 13 points have not worked for me . . . . yet!!! I have a feeling this is my year. :IBCOOL:
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