Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 12:24:08 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 28, 2022, 12:51:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 01:03:35 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 28, 2022, 01:09:52 PM
I personally feel the application period is way too long!! 99% of peeps already know what they are applying for, and 15 days is plenty of time to change your mind.
I agree. As long as the regs are out ahead of time, we don't need more than 2 weeks.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 28, 2022, 01:11:06 PM
With that said the one thing that could get us results sooner is making the application deadline sooner. I agree most know exactly what they are going to put in for, the same thing they have done for the last 22 years :chuckle:, so moving the deadline up a bit shouldn’t be an issue.
The first year it will suck for those not paying attention kind of like moving the grouse opener to the 15th but word will get out.
I’m all for shortening the application period.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 28, 2022, 01:13:19 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 28, 2022, 01:17:01 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 28, 2022, 01:19:41 PM
I have been a witness as well and the people that wait until the deadline are a big issue. I know everyone thinks too bad you messed up move on but if it is you that got distracted by work, marriage issues, health issues or whatever you would want some slack cut because “I’ve been applying for 22 years with no problem cut me some slack and fix this”.
With that said the one thing that could get us results sooner is making the application deadline sooner. I agree most know exactly what they are going to put in for, the same thing they have done for the last 22 years :chuckle:, so moving the deadline up a bit shouldn’t be an issue.
The first year it will suck for those not paying attention kind of like moving the grouse opener to the 15th but word will get out.
I’m all for shortening the application period.
I can say with 100% certainty that I would completely understand and not expect special treatment if I messed up and didn't get my application in. Its a lottery for hunting, not life and death as some people make it appear. If those people that waited until the last minute, messed up and didn't get it in would not have their problem "fixed" I would be willing to bet they wouldn't wait until the last minute the following year
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 28, 2022, 01:21:03 PM
If April is the earliest then mid April to the last Friday. Otherwise earlier in the year. But our state is slow on harvest stats and survey's so I won't hold my breath.
Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 01:21:29 PM
Post by: Fidelk on October 28, 2022, 02:04:54 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 02:08:47 PM
If everyone has to submit the special permit online.......we should get the results the next day.Its not that easy, there are a few threads that have talked about it.
Post by: birddogdad on October 28, 2022, 02:09:55 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 28, 2022, 02:11:58 PM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on October 28, 2022, 02:12:52 PM
Post by: Fidelk on October 28, 2022, 02:13:56 PM
If everyone has to submit the special permit online.......we should get the results the next day.Its not that easy, there are a few threads that have talked about it.
I should have known. The days of the easy solution are long gone.
Post by: bobcat on October 28, 2022, 02:17:30 PM
Post by: RB on October 28, 2022, 02:56:38 PM
I do wish the results could be just a couple weeks earlier. Or if not, if the WDFW could somehow coordinate with Weyerhaeuser so that Weyerhaeuser access permits all go up for sale after the WDFW permit results are out.
:yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 03:01:27 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on October 28, 2022, 03:06:27 PM
Multi season is a whole other mess, they should just make deer OTC with no cap. But they would lose out on app fees.
Do you not think that would create even more issues they should reduce the number of not honestly due away with them all together
Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 04:41:42 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 28, 2022, 04:43:20 PM
Post by: wheels1 on October 28, 2022, 05:13:58 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2022, 08:46:35 AM
Post by: Antlershed on October 29, 2022, 09:16:13 AM
I would be all for shortening the application period. I generally know what my choices are going to be before the regs even come out, assuming no major changes are made.
Post by: KFhunter on October 29, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 29, 2022, 09:49:24 AM
Fine the way it is, it gives guys like me whose vacation system is an absolute nightmare time to get it all worked out.wouldn't knowing that you pulled a limited entry permit earlier in the year give you MORE time to figure out the vacation thing? Our calendar is the same train wreck as yours it sounds like and I know personally I'd love an earlier notification.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 29, 2022, 09:52:27 AM
I know I say it every year but WA is one of the fastest states in the west with their turn around time with arguably the most convoluted draws of any state so I won't ever give them grief about working hard to get them done.
Post by: KFhunter on October 29, 2022, 10:06:31 AM
What would be nice is have the draws done the year prior lol!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 29, 2022, 10:16:35 AM
No, my vacation slots are submitted for the entire year well before any applications are even due. We're actually doing it right now. It sucks. If I put in vacation for a moose hunt on the off chance I get drawn, then I loose the September archery hunt vacation slots. So all I can do is put in for draws that align with my OTC hunts I'm already taking off. What I wouldn't do is put in leave for an OTC hunt then get drawn for a hunt and not be able to get off work!ah gotcha. Can you guys doing any trading or is it set in stone? Our issue is it takes forever to get worked through everyone and we also have too many guys on our calendar for the available weeks. We don't have enough vacation coverage. Luckily we are allowed to trade weeks once we get through. Serious PITA.
What would be nice is have the draws done the year prior lol!
Post by: Bigshooter on October 29, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
I’m kinda scratching my head a bit, very surprised so many say leave it how it is? Do those people think 4 weeks of open period is needed?
Should open it up in January and have it run through mid May.
Post by: Moose Master on October 29, 2022, 09:13:26 PM
If it's contractual get with the negotiating team and push for it to be ratified into the contract.
I'm not in your shoes but have dealt with this in negotiating before.
From the perspective of draw time I would prefer it earlier in the year right after multi season and move multi season earlier also.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 01, 2022, 09:25:09 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 01, 2022, 09:27:15 AM
Eliminate Multi season tags, Upfront the app fees and make choices on east or west deer like elk.
Post by: bobcat on November 01, 2022, 09:42:08 AM
Post by: jstone on November 01, 2022, 10:39:33 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on November 01, 2022, 10:49:41 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 01, 2022, 12:23:54 PM
Didn't results come out in june before?Usually do, around June 14-18 I believe.
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on November 01, 2022, 01:20:10 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on November 01, 2022, 02:44:27 PM
Do it in December so I know what vacation I have to put in for.
This^^^
Gary
Post by: gallion_t on November 01, 2022, 06:46:26 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on November 01, 2022, 07:11:43 PM
Just wanted to bump this, before I send to the commish.How about changing the multi season requirements so that non hunters can't enter the draw without at least buying the license first instead eh?
Post by: idahohuntr on November 01, 2022, 07:24:17 PM
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on November 01, 2022, 07:52:21 PM
[/quote] How about changing the multi season requirements so that non hunters can't enter the draw without at least buying the license first instead eh?
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:yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on November 01, 2022, 08:30:35 PM
Post by: wags on November 01, 2022, 10:32:54 PM
Rolf Johnson (former big game program manager) once told me that if it were his choice, hunters would have to apply and draw for everything. He said it with a bit of contempt in his voice; never did like that guy (I could use a stronger term).
Post by: M_ray on November 02, 2022, 02:58:10 PM
This way I have to arrange Wa and two other states after knowing what Ive drawn elsewhere. If every state aligns around the same time getting vacation days may become even harder if you draw multiple special permits. The way it is can be hard enough but gives a little more time to choose how you want to arrange your fall or even if you want to turn a tag back.
I kinda like Having them spread out but I get it if Wa is the only state you put in for then you may not consider these other factors.
Post by: M_ray on November 02, 2022, 03:05:32 PM
Of course shortening the application time would increase the chances of being drawn since fewer people would apply. However, that is not the purpose of the program, the purpose is to increase revenue for the WDFW. I'm surprised the application period isn't six months.
Rolf Johnson (former big game program manager) once told me that if it were his choice, hunters would have to apply and draw for everything. He said it with a bit of contempt in his voice; never did like that guy (I could use a stronger term).
I agree with Rolf and have suggested it before on other threads. Guys in Wa loose their minds when you tell them that all their choices would be going away but what they don’t get is that if you had to also choose between species it takes numbers out of each draw increasing your chance of drawing. How nice would it be to get a branch bull tag every 3-5 years instead of 18-20. This is why some of us put in other states and hunt them prob even more than our home state because we get drawn more often. But in WA we are our own worst enemy and guys cried for more opportunity and the state gave us three choices per category just like we wanted but it severely diminishes our odds to do so.
Post by: buglebuster on November 02, 2022, 03:31:15 PM