Post by: Iveexcaped3 on October 29, 2022, 09:12:56 PM
To the 3 young men in the white ford with dealer plates, if your on here you know who you are. I’ll congratulate you on bagging the 4x4 bull, but what I won’t do is congratulate you on is not meeting the requirements for wearing blaze orange (at least one of you was wearing a vest). Nor the fact that you jumped over not 1 but 2 separate barbed fences going into private land (which per the land owner you didn’t have permission to be on).
But the one that irks me the most is that you shot and wounded the spike bull (your first target) continued to pump rounds at him until the big bull stood up and you changed your target. I will not congratulate you for taking 13 shots at 2 bulls to ONLY pursue one kill, apparently you need more time behind the scope before buying a license. There’s no excuse for only stopping with one downed animal when you shot and wounded both.
I really hope by next year you have a more ethical approach. As a side note, not that cool to slip under a guy that’s been watching said bulls for 4 hours, which is maybe my mistake on being focused on them. That’s all, my opinion you should feel crappy. I sure hope to see you trespassing again tomorrow to find your spike.
Post by: GWP on October 29, 2022, 09:49:26 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2022, 10:08:35 PM
Post by: KFhunter on October 29, 2022, 10:14:48 PM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on October 29, 2022, 10:26:46 PM
Dealer plates like DLR plates or dealer plates like they just bought the truck??
Like DLR. clearly not the brightest crayons in the box.
Post by: b0bbyg on October 29, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
Post by: TVHunts on October 30, 2022, 04:41:54 AM
Seems like you should file a report if multiple rules were broken? :dunno:
Agreed, call the man. Hopefully you have the plate info.
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on October 30, 2022, 05:22:58 AM
Seems like you should file a report if multiple rules were broken? :dunno:
Agreed, call the man. Hopefully you have the plate info.
Nothing to report. Lack of blaze orange? Guys wound animals all the time. Trespassing is up to the landowner if he wants to file which I will give him the plate info and location. I guarantee that he’ll find 13 empty casings on the hillside for proof that they were there.
Post by: Ironhead on October 30, 2022, 05:53:58 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 30, 2022, 06:34:20 AM
Seems like you should file a report if multiple rules were broken? :dunno:
Agreed, call the man. Hopefully you have the plate info.
Nothing to report. Lack of blaze orange? Guys wound animals all the time. Trespassing is up to the landowner if he wants to file which I will give him the plate info and location. I guarantee that he’ll find 13 empty casings on the hillside for proof that they were there.
That's for you to decide, not fish and game? Great job doing nothing about it. Keep up the, uh, good work? :tup:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 30, 2022, 06:48:32 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 30, 2022, 07:20:33 AM
Post by: b0bbyg on October 30, 2022, 07:56:16 AM
Seems like you should file a report if multiple rules were broken? :dunno:
Agreed, call the man. Hopefully you have the plate info.
Nothing to report. Lack of blaze orange? Guys wound animals all the time. Trespassing is up to the landowner if he wants to file which I will give him the plate info and location. I guarantee that he’ll find 13 empty casings on the hillside for proof that they were there.
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 30, 2022, 08:40:14 AM
Witnessed multiple possible criminal violations and the decision to non report.
Let Leo decide if it's worthy of investigation.
And often these aren't isolated offenses. It's possible there are other reports of the same group, and all's Leo needs is that one final tip to break the investigation wide open. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on October 30, 2022, 08:49:07 AM
Post by: builtfordtough on October 30, 2022, 08:52:32 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on October 30, 2022, 09:00:29 AM
Not that it matters whether they should have been turned in or not. Just curious.
Post by: Bareback on October 30, 2022, 09:01:15 AM
Post by: Mudman on October 30, 2022, 09:49:11 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 30, 2022, 09:49:31 AM
Post by: builtfordtough on October 30, 2022, 10:02:31 AM
Post by: Mudman on October 30, 2022, 10:02:37 AM
Post by: builtfordtough on October 30, 2022, 10:05:49 AM
Post by: cem3434 on October 30, 2022, 10:19:35 AM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on October 30, 2022, 10:41:11 AM
They came back out first thing this morning this time only wearing orange hats, my guess to find/ finish off the spike (or another animal). I met with the ranch owner this morning and discussed what took place last night and what he would like to do as it’s his property. I have a few F&G officers cell numbers so he ultimately decided he wanted to give them a call for at least trespassing. It is an any elk unit so it’s not poaching the animal, unless they didn’t have tags then yes it’s poaching. F&G had them for a while so I’m guessing there was more going on then just blaze citation and trespassing.
The rancher told me they weren’t permitted to be there as they have hunters that pay good money to access their property to hunt. The land owner I was permitted on has some pieces in the same area. The rancher didn’t think it was right that I got permission from another land owner to hunt and these guys came in and did what they wanted since the bull could have dropped into the property I was permitted on. So my guess is the rancher is moving forward with charges.
If more info comes about I’ll keep this updated.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 30, 2022, 10:46:23 AM
Post by: b0bbyg on October 30, 2022, 10:48:05 AM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on October 30, 2022, 12:52:43 PM
Was this in an any bull unit in NE Washington? Are you sure they didn't come back for the spike? Like others, I would have tried to talk to the guys to see if they were bad dudes or just some average guys that made some bad decisions and needed some education. I personally would have also went and tried to recover the spike if they didn't come back for it just to ensure the meat wasn't wasted.
They downed the bull at last light while the spike limped over the hill. They came back this morning. If they didn’t come back my intention was to talk to the land owner and pursue it, if it was dead see about getting a salvage tag for it.
Post by: Hilltop123 on October 30, 2022, 03:42:49 PM
Problem is in this state people think trespassing is not that big of a deal. Hunters that don't follow up on game they shot at is uncalled for. Shooting 13 times at animals seems to be just throwing lead out there hoping to hit something, and not doing right by the animal by know what your and guns capabilities are and hunt within those. Just my opinion.As for tresspassing not being a big deal. You can set this squarly on the land ownwers, most up here don't seem eager to press charges. They call the sherrif to report tresspassers and when the culprits are caught. The landowner will not press charges. The culprts are given a warning by the deputy, and sent on their way. :twocents:
Post by: hunter399 on October 30, 2022, 05:12:07 PM
I've only seen one violation this year.
No orange.
Two guys on a clear Cut.
One with rifle on shooting sticks,clearly hunting.
Other with binos.
No orange on them at all.
Post by: meatwhack on October 30, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on October 30, 2022, 05:48:32 PM
Good for you ,turning them in.
I've only seen one violation this year.
No orange.
Two guys on a clear Cut.
One with rifle on shooting sticks,clearly hunting.
Other with binos.
No orange on them at all.
Legally the only one who needed the orange was the one with the rifle
Post by: millerwheeler on October 30, 2022, 06:09:45 PM
In this scenario the trespassing is a big game violation that you’d receive 10 points for.
Incorrect number one they people have to be convicted “found guilty “ in court , and the amount of points changes and is wardens discretion on how many
Post by: millerwheeler on October 30, 2022, 06:24:56 PM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on October 30, 2022, 07:04:35 PM
Post by: meatwhack on October 30, 2022, 07:28:54 PM
In this scenario the trespassing is a big game violation that you’d receive 10 points for.
Incorrect number one they people have to be convicted “found guilty “ in court , and the amount of points changes and is wardens discretion on how many
That’s a negative ghost rider. All that has to happen is that they are charged. Whether or not their convicted doesn’t matter.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 30, 2022, 07:59:54 PM
Wow. I was with you until you didn’t report it and said there was no reason to report it. There are a crap ton of reasons to report it.:yeah:
Post by: bigtex on October 30, 2022, 08:09:46 PM
I'm a little confused.:yeah:
Witnessed multiple possible criminal violations and the decision to non report.
Let Leo decide if it's worthy of investigation.
And often these aren't isolated offenses. It's possible there are other reports of the same group, and all's Leo needs is that one final tip to break the investigation wide open. :twocents:
I'd rather get too many calls then the "should have been here yesterday..."
Post by: Bob33 on October 30, 2022, 08:30:21 PM
6) Citizen reward for reporting violations - Bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Post by: millerwheeler on October 30, 2022, 09:04:36 PM
WAC 220-412-080.
6) Citizen reward for reporting violations - Bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Still has to be convicted
Post by: Bob33 on October 30, 2022, 09:12:50 PM
The WAC states arrested.WAC 220-412-080.
6) Citizen reward for reporting violations - Bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Still has to be convicted
Post by: millerwheeler on October 30, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
The WAC states arrested.WAC 220-412-080.
6) Citizen reward for reporting violations - Bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Still has to be convicted
Well innocent until proven guilty , can’t imagine a percent who beat a charge would also get you your so beloved points . All I’m saying is the points shouldn’t matter for doing the right thing
Post by: bigtex on October 30, 2022, 10:24:36 PM
Bob is correct, charges simply need to be filed in order for points to be given. Especially in today's judicial world of "alternative case dispositions" such as deferrals, stipulated order of continuances, etc. flat-out convictions are becoming rarer and rarer.Well innocent until proven guilty , can’t imagine a percent who beat a charge would also get you your so beloved points . All I’m saying is the points shouldn’t matter for doing the right thingThe WAC states arrested.WAC 220-412-080.Still has to be convicted
6) Citizen reward for reporting violations - Bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Post by: millerwheeler on October 31, 2022, 08:44:33 AM
Bob is correct, charges simply need to be filed in order for points to be given. Especially in today's judicial world of "alternative case dispositions" such as deferrals, stipulated order of continuances, etc. flat-out convictions are becoming rarer and rarer.Well innocent until proven guilty , can’t imagine a percent who beat a charge would also get you your so beloved points . All I’m saying is the points shouldn’t matter for doing the right thingThe WAC states arrested.WAC 220-412-080.Still has to be convicted
6) Citizen reward for reporting violations - Bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Interesting