Post by: WA1232 on November 05, 2022, 02:14:37 PM
Post by: jstone on November 05, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Post by: Dark2Dark on November 05, 2022, 02:23:22 PM
Post by: Fidelk on November 05, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
Post by: kirkl on November 05, 2022, 02:49:38 PM
Depends if that little bump on the right antler is 1 inch or more.this. Doesn’t look an inch long but never know.
Post by: steeleywhopper on November 05, 2022, 03:06:26 PM
Post by: 206 on November 05, 2022, 03:43:32 PM
I'd shoot it
in 2 seconds
Post by: LDennis24 on November 05, 2022, 05:08:27 PM
Post by: cem3434 on November 05, 2022, 05:24:53 PM
Post by: fowl smacker on November 05, 2022, 06:48:16 PM
Post by: 85yota on November 05, 2022, 07:41:50 PM
Post by: full choke on November 05, 2022, 07:59:47 PM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 05, 2022, 09:03:57 PM
I'd let him walk.RIGHT INTO MY CROSSHAIRS!
Post by: Tbar on November 05, 2022, 09:04:52 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 05, 2022, 09:07:06 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 05, 2022, 09:18:56 PM
Nope, that is not a legal spike based on what I see. That’s an easy pass.:yeah:
I would hate to have to defend myself if the issue was pushed.
Post by: Bob33 on November 05, 2022, 09:21:08 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on November 06, 2022, 03:42:51 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 06, 2022, 05:03:00 AM
Game warden wouldn't do anything about a legal point being 1 inch. Just turned in a guy that shot a mulie with less than an inch eye guard and the warden did not do anything.
I agree, in most cases where its really a tossup of an inch or not, wardens are not going to make you a criminal IMO. The ones I have asked are not going to pull out a 16th rule measure tape to check it. Now if it is a very obvious inch+ different story.
Id shoot it.
Post by: meatwhack on November 06, 2022, 08:38:15 AM
Post by: Rem14 on November 06, 2022, 08:47:27 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on November 06, 2022, 08:56:18 AM
Post by: high_hunter on November 06, 2022, 09:21:47 AM
Post by: Skillet on November 06, 2022, 10:31:03 AM
I dont think I'd pull the trigger at this point. :dunno:
Post by: buglebuster on November 06, 2022, 10:35:17 AM
Post by: dilleytech on November 06, 2022, 10:43:21 AM
Post by: Stein on November 06, 2022, 10:45:13 AM
Post by: snake on November 06, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
Post by: robescc on November 06, 2022, 09:53:40 PM
Post by: Dark2Dark on November 06, 2022, 10:02:59 PM
I would shoot. That is a nub, not a point.It looks to me like it’s a broken off point. And if it’s 1” long, it could be an expensive “nub.” Or cost you a few years of hunting privileges.
If it was the plus one on a 6 x 6 bull, most hunters would be calling it a 6 x 7!
Post by: robescc on November 07, 2022, 10:13:01 AM
I would shoot. That is a nub, not a point.It looks to me like it’s a broken off point. And if it’s 1” long, it could be an expensive “nub.” Or cost you a few years of hunting privileges.
If it was the plus one on a 6 x 6 bull, most hunters would be calling it a 6 x 7!
Those are also the same guys that count eyeguards on Blacktail and Mulies. There is no game warden out there that would push the issue on this bull.
Post by: Dark2Dark on November 07, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Sounds like a gamble you are willing to take but I would not be!I would shoot. That is a nub, not a point.It looks to me like it’s a broken off point. And if it’s 1” long, it could be an expensive “nub.” Or cost you a few years of hunting privileges.
If it was the plus one on a 6 x 6 bull, most hunters would be calling it a 6 x 7!
Those are also the same guys that count eyeguards on Blacktail and Mulies. There is no game warden out there that would push the issue on this bull.
Post by: Igor on November 07, 2022, 10:43:39 AM
I would shoot. That is a nub, not a point.It looks to me like it’s a broken off point. And if it’s 1” long, it could be an expensive “nub.” Or cost you a few years of hunting privileges.
If it was the plus one on a 6 x 6 bull, most hunters would be calling it a 6 x 7!
Those are also the same guys that count eyeguards on Blacktail and Mulies. There is no game warden out there that would push the issue on this bull.
I was under the impression that "eyeguards", or brow tines, are counted as G1s when scoring mule deer or blacktails.
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 07, 2022, 10:55:55 AM
Allot of wardens will be suspicious that you broke the tip off after harvest hoping to get around the rule... :twocents:
Btw it happens fairly often.
Post by: Platensek-po on November 07, 2022, 11:11:21 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on November 07, 2022, 11:44:37 AM
That's actually one where your likely to get written up on. Looks longer than an inch. And...
Allot of wardens will be suspicious that you broke the tip off after harvest hoping to get around the rule... :twocents:
Btw it happens fairly often.
Sorry about the pun but that’s a good point didn’t even think about that👍
Post by: phildobaggins on November 07, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
Post by: 85yota on November 07, 2022, 12:35:58 PM
Post by: CP on November 07, 2022, 12:52:20 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 07, 2022, 01:18:14 PM
The red line would have to under 1" long based on my knowledge of the law. :dunno:
Post by: DeerSkin on November 07, 2022, 05:23:43 PM
Post by: dilleytech on November 07, 2022, 06:47:13 PM
I'm baffled by how people justify there decision......Not saying I am right or wrong, I'm just not willing to gamble it being less than an inch. It is for sure a protrusion / point coming off the main beam. Based on how WDFW measures the total length of the point....I have to believe it would be an inch long, but maybe not.
The red line would have to under 1" long based on my knowledge of the law. :dunno:
Your red line is not in the correct spot and is about 25% longer then that point really is but I agree the point looks like more then an inch. I think whether or not you’re getting a ticket is 50/50 as that’s clearly a spike but it’s a 2x2 spike. And at the discretion of the officer. You’re gambling on the officers attitude not so much on if that’s a 1x2.
Post by: millerwheeler on November 07, 2022, 06:59:44 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 07, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
I'm baffled by how people justify there decision......Not saying I am right or wrong, I'm just not willing to gamble it being less than an inch. It is for sure a protrusion / point coming off the main beam. Based on how WDFW measures the total length of the point....I have to believe it would be an inch long, but maybe not.
The red line would have to under 1" long based on my knowledge of the law. :dunno:
Your red line is not in the correct spot and is about 25% longer then that point really is but I agree the point looks like more then an inch. I think whether or not you’re getting a ticket is 50/50 as that’s clearly a spike but it’s a 2x2 spike. And at the discretion of the officer. You’re gambling on the officers attitude not so much on if that’s a 1x2.
My black line is curved.....that because my mouse pad on my laptop and my fingers cant draw a straight line. according to the WDFW the black line should connect where the protrusion meets the main beam on both sides and that would be your starting point...regardless of where you start the red line. In my mind it is clearly an inch....but I agree it without having a dead elk, it would be impossible to know for sure.
Post by: Bob33 on November 07, 2022, 07:15:25 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 07, 2022, 07:20:36 PM
Three pages later, with the benefit of videos and enlargements there is still disagreement about the length. In a real world situation where the decision needs to be made quickly it would be really tough to determine if it exceeds an inch.
Which is proof positive for why this rule sucks..... Imagine if that elk is in brush / trees, where elk live....the decision just got harder. Whoever made the true spike rule should be kicked squarely between the legs.
Post by: Timberstalker on November 07, 2022, 07:25:39 PM
In my opinion, it’s a spike. The intent of the rule would be satisfied with that animal.
I’m shooting that elk in a spike unit.
Post by: jrebel on November 07, 2022, 07:29:20 PM
This isn’t just an issue in true spike units. It would be a tough decision in a spike unit as well. Just to be clear.
In my opinion, it’s a spike. The intent of the rule would be satisfied with that animal.
I’m shooting that elk in a spike unit.
That's funny...because I still believe it to be a two by two by the letter of the law. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Don't most states have a rule that it's not a spike if there is a branch on either side above the ear......that would make a whole lot of sense. This elk prior to being broke off was clearly a 2x2 so my rational says its a no go. Ambiguous laws suck.
Post by: JWBINX on November 07, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
I would shoot. That is a nub, not a point.It looks to me like it’s a broken off point. And if it’s 1” long, it could be an expensive “nub.” Or cost you a few years of hunting privileges.
If it was the plus one on a 6 x 6 bull, most hunters would be calling it a 6 x 7!
Those are also the same guys that count eyeguards on Blacktail and Mulies. There is no game warden out there that would push the issue on this bull.
I was under the impression that "eyeguards", or brow tines, are counted as G1s when scoring mule deer or blacktails.
Igor, You are 100 percent correct. Mule deer, Blacktails and Whitetails. Over an inch-- they get measured.
Post by: Timberstalker on November 07, 2022, 07:39:26 PM
Good luck figuring that out in the field at 300 yards!
Post by: snake on November 07, 2022, 08:04:19 PM
Post by: jstone on November 07, 2022, 08:16:06 PM
Post by: Stein on November 07, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
ive found more than a few dead 1x2's in a certain true spike unit while picking horns over the years. True spike rule is one of the dumbest rules ever made.
That's a pretty high bar to cross. :chuckle:
Post by: dilleytech on November 08, 2022, 08:24:23 AM
I'm baffled by how people justify there decision......Not saying I am right or wrong, I'm just not willing to gamble it being less than an inch. It is for sure a protrusion / point coming off the main beam. Based on how WDFW measures the total length of the point....I have to believe it would be an inch long, but maybe not.
The red line would have to under 1" long based on my knowledge of the law. :dunno:
Your red line is not in the correct spot and is about 25% longer then that point really is but I agree the point looks like more then an inch. I think whether or not you’re getting a ticket is 50/50 as that’s clearly a spike but it’s a 2x2 spike. And at the discretion of the officer. You’re gambling on the officers attitude not so much on if that’s a 1x2.
My black line is curved.....that because my mouse pad on my laptop and my fingers cant draw a straight line. according to the WDFW the black line should connect where the protrusion meets the main beam on both sides and that would be your starting point...regardless of where you start the red line. In my mind it is clearly an inch....but I agree it without having a dead elk, it would be impossible to know for sure.
I said red line not black. The red line is not where you would measure that point.
Post by: dilleytech on November 08, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
This isn’t just an issue in true spike units. It would be a tough decision in a spike unit as well. Just to be clear.
In my opinion, it’s a spike. The intent of the rule would be satisfied with that animal.
I’m shooting that elk in a spike unit.
That's funny...because I still believe it to be a two by two by the letter of the law. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Don't most states have a rule that it's not a spike if there is a branch on either side above the ear......that would make a whole lot of sense. This elk prior to being broke off was clearly a 2x2 so my rational says its a no go. Ambiguous laws suck.
I think his point is it is a spike elk even if it has more then 1 point. It’s of the age class the law is designed for. A 1.5 yr old elk is a spike. Even if it has more points. Still it’s a 2x2 and technically not legal. Assuming the broken point is an inch. If it was a 6x1 with a broken main beam it would also be legal. But clearly not a spike. There’s technicalities around the law but the intent is people can kill 1.5 yr old bulls. If I saw the nub I would let it walk as I don’t need meat badly enough to break the law. But if I shot it I would be taking it home and feel pretty good about my odds with the warden if confronted.
Post by: Gentrys on November 08, 2022, 01:24:44 PM
Post by: Browndawg on November 17, 2022, 04:32:32 PM
Post by: HillHound on November 17, 2022, 06:57:34 PM
It shouldn't be that difficult for hunters in the field to determine if a bull is legal or not. Bad rule. WDFW's reason for true spike units makes no sense.No it shouldn’t, but bad/confusing rules pay their bills. How are they going to fine people for making mistakes if they go and make the rules practical and easy to follow