Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on November 10, 2022, 11:00:42 AM
Excerpt from 11/8 news release:
"The next day, Nov. 18, the full Commission will meet in Olympia and via Zoom to discuss development of a spring bear policy. The Commission will also decide on rule making for shoreline armoring, as well as hear briefings and make decisions on petitions to consider rule making for spring bear hunting and black bear timber damage permits. Public comment will not be taken at this meeting, but the public may provide comment ahead of time by visiting the Commission webpage and selecting the subject “Nov. 18, 2022 Meeting” on that page, or by contacting commission@dfw.wa.gov. Comments will be accepted through Wednesday, Nov. 16 at 5 p.m."
Comment web page link ->> https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact (https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact)
Post by: saylean on November 10, 2022, 11:24:29 AM
Post this info to your social media accounts to remind your hunting followers to do the same.
Post by: luvmystang67 on November 10, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on November 10, 2022, 11:36:05 AM
Post by: dreadi on November 10, 2022, 11:43:02 AM
Post by: Platensek-po on November 10, 2022, 11:45:55 AM
Meeting during late modern deer. It couldn’t be more obvious that they are the wrong people for the job.
Yeah but there is no public comment during this meeting so it kind of doesn’t matter. I sent a comment in favor of reinstatement
Post by: buckfvr on November 10, 2022, 12:32:34 PM
Meeting during late modern deer. It couldn’t be more obvious that they are the wrong people for the job.
:yeah:
Post by: mcrawfordaf on November 10, 2022, 12:58:01 PM
Post by: salt n sage90 on November 10, 2022, 01:00:49 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 10, 2022, 01:10:04 PM
"Spring bear should be brought back and expanded. The rising bear population since the banning of dogs and bait in 1996 is out of control (as is the cougar population). Bear/human conflict and sharp decline in ungulate populations are the results. Limiting or eliminating this hunt goes against sensible wildlife conservation principles of carrying capacity, and ungulate numbers are suffering as a result. Allowing political and anti-hunting concerns determine the course of wildlife management in our state will not only eventually hurt wildlife populations, but the elimination of hunting will defund conservation efforts that currently are paid for by hunters with taxation (PR funds), licenses, and the vast efforts of hunter conservation groups like RMEF, DU, and Pheasants Forever, among others. Bring back spring bear. Bring back scientific wildlife management."
Post by: mcrawfordaf on November 10, 2022, 01:12:44 PM
Post by: dlow on November 10, 2022, 01:13:16 PM
Post by: salt n sage90 on November 10, 2022, 01:13:35 PM
Regards
Post by: KNOPHISH on November 10, 2022, 01:20:19 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 10, 2022, 01:32:01 PM
Right now...
Co-exist anti-hunters want spring bear shut down forever.
There just trying to get something put in that permit numbers or any chance of a season will never happen again.
So they don't have to debate it every year.
Its gone.
I'm over it .
I'm sorry guys,it's a waste of my time to comment,send emails to the Commission,biologists,WDFW.
Squeaking wheel gets round filed anymore.
Welcome to the future,no accountability,no integrity,and most of all no grit.
All hunting in Washington will be permit only soon anyway.
Inslee and Commission.
Post by: johnbmyersii on November 10, 2022, 01:34:22 PM
Post by: saylean on November 10, 2022, 02:46:45 PM
commission@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: krolelov on November 11, 2022, 01:21:57 PM
Also, New Jersey just reinstated their bear hunting season due to human conflicts etc, so there is always hope. Keep getting loud. It only takes a second.
commission@dfw.wa.gov
100%. I am sure hunters backlash played not the smallest role in this.
Post by: jrebel on November 11, 2022, 04:30:40 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on November 11, 2022, 04:43:19 PM
Post by: brokentrail on November 11, 2022, 04:50:42 PM
Post by: harveymarv on November 11, 2022, 05:04:41 PM
Post by: WoodHacker on November 11, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on November 11, 2022, 06:23:48 PM
I'll tell ya what this is about....The time it took you to type this comment could have been used to do something productive towards hunting in Washington state.
Right now...
Co-exist anti-hunters want spring bear shut down forever.
There just trying to get something put in that permit numbers or any chance of a season will never happen again.
So they don't have to debate it every year.
Its gone.
I'm over it .
I'm sorry guys,it's a waste of my time to comment,send emails to the Commission,biologists,WDFW.
Squeaking wheel gets round filed anymore.
Welcome to the future,no accountability,no integrity,and most of all no grit.
All hunting in Washington will be permit only soon anyway.
Inslee and Commission.
If you are so convinced that spring bear will never be brought back and that hunting in our state will soon be by permit only then why don’t you keep that negative BS to yourself. Because I can assure you, comments like the one you have just made are doing absolutely nothing to help our cause. In fact I would go so far as to say comments like yours are hurting the efforts of sportsmen by possibly influencing others to have the same crybaby, pissy pants, rollover and die attitude that you seem to have.
Next time you want to bring down everyone who is trying to work together towards a common cause, why don’t you just keep your negative, sniveling comments to yourself.
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Post by: Longfield1 on November 11, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
Post by: MeepDog on November 11, 2022, 07:13:14 PM
Post by: lewy on November 11, 2022, 07:30:49 PM
Post by: Harbor_hunter on November 11, 2022, 09:13:57 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 11, 2022, 10:25:27 PM
You can send your crybaby BS to the Commission and see where that gets you ,good day,good luck.I'll tell ya what this is about....The time it took you to type this comment could have been used to do something productive towards hunting in Washington state.
Right now...
Co-exist anti-hunters want spring bear shut down forever.
There just trying to get something put in that permit numbers or any chance of a season will never happen again.
So they don't have to debate it every year.
Its gone.
I'm over it .
I'm sorry guys,it's a waste of my time to comment,send emails to the Commission,biologists,WDFW.
Squeaking wheel gets round filed anymore.
Welcome to the future,no accountability,no integrity,and most of all no grit.
All hunting in Washington will be permit only soon anyway.
Inslee and Commission.
If you are so convinced that spring bear will never be brought back and that hunting in our state will soon be by permit only then why don’t you keep that negative BS to yourself. Because I can assure you, comments like the one you have just made are doing absolutely nothing to help our cause. In fact I would go so far as to say comments like yours are hurting the efforts of sportsmen by possibly influencing others to have the same crybaby, pissy pants, rollover and die attitude that you seem to have.
Next time you want to bring down everyone who is trying to work together towards a common cause, why don’t you just keep your negative, sniveling comments to yourself.
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Have fun with it .
Can't stay positive in this state.
Still positive spring bear gone.
GONE .
Here is link to the agenda
They only set half hour for b and c.
They set aside a half a day for item d.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-11/fwc-meeting-notice-and-agenda-november-18.pdf
Chopping block is an option.
Funny thing, I just figured it.
Now that I read the agenda.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 11, 2022, 11:25:56 PM
Post by: Turner89 on November 12, 2022, 12:57:11 AM
Post by: hunter399 on November 12, 2022, 08:28:23 AM
That we don't get a comment period.
I mean what about all of our stake holders in,
Canada
Russia
Australia
Germany
And the other 50 states.
They all had a say last time!
Give me a break ,freaking joke.
I will stop with any more "negative" comments.
Seems some may be too sensitive to it.
And resort to name calling and such.
But I will say without a doubt that I have probably sent more emails to the Commission than most people ever have.
My comments in the comment period for spring bear was ALOT. There are a few members here that I'm sure know that. Heck they probably are not doing a comment period cause of me .
I'm not gonna bash members for sending emails ,that's great and all . Hopefully they do reinstate the season.
At the same time I'm done begging those people for anything.
I do believe the Commission mind is made up.
That's just my personal opinion.
I didn't even have to look at the agenda of the meeting to tell ya that it was on the chopping block.
Didn't look at that till last night.
To many of you that my statement hurts your feelings or this or that ,I'm guessing you should of sent more emails last year,and more comments durring the comment period.
I know my efforts went right to the recycled spam folder.
With inslee in control and his little Commission minions.
Sorry my faith in the Commission is gone.
I honestly believe they should do away with the Commission and put DNR and WDFW together to set game regulations for this state in the best interest of game species in this state.
I do support spring bear,I'm done begging.
The state can pay for public safety removal.
The state can pay for timber damage
The state doesn't need my money for permits.
That's the message the Commission sent me with there decision.
All there stake holders from all over the world they allowed to comment last year can pay for those things.
I'm out.
And really WDFW needs to feel the financial impact of there decision. Along with future decisions that the Commission makes. It may be time for a wake up call for them on who really pays for this stuff. Hunters voices are not heard.
But when you don't have hunters money it makes a lot more impact.
Post by: Tbar on November 12, 2022, 09:29:26 AM
Post by: Special T on November 12, 2022, 10:07:01 AM
With out a doubt we hunters are in a bad spot. Emails are just 1 form of showing support. Its not even the the length, persuasion or whatever its the numbers. For a long time the WDFW and other have said hunters dont show up. to meeting or write letters. Howl has taken that off the table for the antis, we still need to do it but we can stop at emails, or political enemies don't. We need to belong to hunter ADVOCACY groups like SCI and Washingtonians for wildlife. We need to give money to the Hunters Heritage Council to lobby legislators. We need to make sure some one from our sportsmen club, possibly ANY reader of this, is sending letters to the commissioner or elsewhere representing said club. That has a larger effect than 1 person especially when done repeatedly. Lastly we need to do a better job educating the public about hunting. Tell our non hunting friends about the need for management and who our friends are in the legislature, and who are not. Most think this is a daunting task, and trying to do it all is. so just take one small slice. If you have been doing it representing yourself, find a way to do it as a representative for your sportsmen club. You have a bigger impact with the same amount of info. If you remember some important information search out the documentation, post it here so others can use it to futher the cause.
It is a dark day but we still can do something about it.
Post by: KNOPHISH on November 12, 2022, 12:01:53 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 12, 2022, 02:01:09 PM
A lot of the uneducated people on the fence about hunting issues get their info from the mostly biased main stream media. If we can somehow take that down a notch we could get more support.
It's more about the ad campaigns by orgs like HSUS and DOW, which completely distort the truth so the general public will think that spring bear is about killing female bears with cubs. When they won the ban on hounds and baiting, they showed dogs tearing small bears apart and bait hunters shooting small bears over oil drums. It's inhumane, you see. and that's what the HSUS commercials tell them.
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 12, 2022, 02:09:33 PM
https://www.kxly.com/why-wildlife-officials-killed-the-bear-roaming-spokane-county-instead-of-capturing-it/
SPOKANE VALLEY, Wash. — After Fish and Wildlife officers killed an elusive bear that was roaming the Northwood neighborhood north of Spokane Valley, many are wondering why they didn’t capture it instead.
To put it short, it was mainly because of the behavior of the bear, and it was getting too comfortable around humans.
The bear had been eating people’s chickens and showed up on front and back porches, which is not typical bear behavior.
After bears know about a non-natural food source or are fed by humans, they usually keep coming back for more. After a while, these bears lose their fear of people, which can put humans at risk.
After bears get used to these non-natural food sources, relocation is less successful because the bear has become accustomed to the previous environment.
In the case of the Northwood bear, it had already established itself in the neighborhood, meaning killing the bear was the most viable option for the safety of the public.
The decision to kill a bear is made through coordination between Fish and Wildlife biologists, wildlife conflict specialists, law enforcement, and other experts.
Remember, do not leave out any food sources that could attract bears. Feeding bears, whether it be voluntarily or involuntarily, is illegal in Washington.
READ: Washington Fish and Wildlife Officers kill black bear that had been roaming Northwood neighborhood
Post by: saylean on November 14, 2022, 10:31:42 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on November 14, 2022, 02:06:04 PM
Post by: Rutnbuxnbulls on November 14, 2022, 02:07:31 PM
Post by: high_hunter on November 14, 2022, 02:34:27 PM
I also contacted Howl.org to ask if they'd bring it back up as a current petition. If too late to howl for the 18th, I asked them to keep this issue on the forefront so we as hunters, other sportspeople, and the general public know this is a fight that's not going away.
-HH
Post by: high_hunter on November 14, 2022, 07:03:07 PM
I haven't seen anything about this from Howl.org who have been a strong proponent of us getting our Spring Bear season back and great way to get the word out. I've fwded all this info to their IG page but if anyone has any other contact info for them, they would be a big help for making sure a lot of pro-hunting comments are made.
I messaged them directly on the website "contact us" section (little mail symbol on RH side). Super responsive as they got back to me this evening saying it was in work and have since posted it.
Link: https://www.howlforwildlife.org/waspringbear-nov2022
Post by: Yakirack on November 16, 2022, 10:00:04 AM
Post by: mcrawfordaf on November 16, 2022, 10:07:59 AM
I haven't seen anything about this from Howl.org who have been a strong proponent of us getting our Spring Bear season back and great way to get the word out. I've fwded all this info to their IG page but if anyone has any other contact info for them, they would be a big help for making sure a lot of pro-hunting comments are made.
I messaged them directly on the website "contact us" section (little mail symbol on RH side). Super responsive as they got back to me this evening saying it was in work and have since posted it.
Link: https://www.howlforwildlife.org/waspringbear-nov2022
Awesome! I've been seeing a lot going out from them now on this topic. From an informational Email put out by Howl this morning:
"HOWL works when you work, it's as simple as that. WDFW has received 2518 total emails (for or against) as of this morning at 850am. 1712 of those emails you sent through HOWL! That shows how powerful the pack really is so let's get past 2000 by the 5pm deadline today!"
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 16, 2022, 10:24:03 AM
Post by: X-Force on November 16, 2022, 10:35:28 AM
Post by: Torrent50 on November 16, 2022, 03:01:29 PM
Post by: saylean on November 16, 2022, 03:52:59 PM
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/waspringbear-nov2022
Post by: bearmanric on November 16, 2022, 04:02:44 PM
Post by: Special T on November 16, 2022, 05:40:43 PM
Post by: actionshooter on November 16, 2022, 05:45:57 PM
Post by: high_hunter on November 18, 2022, 08:18:14 AM
They are already going off the agenda for the first topic.....we need to be vocal and make sure they stay within the timeslots posted. There is not much time initially allocated for items 2 & 3.
Post by: mcrawfordaf on November 18, 2022, 08:26:41 AM
Link to meeting
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on November 18, 2022, 09:07:10 AM
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 09:17:32 AM
Post by: high_hunter on November 18, 2022, 09:25:15 AM
Post by: high_hunter on November 18, 2022, 09:49:49 AM
Post by: Farmer72 on November 18, 2022, 09:56:05 AM
Post by: Tbar on November 18, 2022, 10:00:09 AM
Post by: Longfield1 on November 18, 2022, 10:24:16 AM
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 10:57:07 AM
Lemkuhl is still the one that really has me perplexed. I think he shows signs of reason however Koehler is the puppeteer on bears. Very frustrating!!!!
I had hopes that he would be a moderate reasonable swing vote. Ive only seen his votes swing against hunters unfortunatly.
Post by: Tbar on November 18, 2022, 11:05:10 AM
He seems to have a loyalty to a fault to Koehler. He is literally speaking through him. He said he opposes recreational hunting of bears.Lemkuhl is still the one that really has me perplexed. I think he shows signs of reason however Koehler is the puppeteer on bears. Very frustrating!!!!
I had hopes that he would be a moderate reasonable swing vote. Ive only seen his votes swing against hunters unfortunatly.
Post by: buckfvr on November 18, 2022, 11:18:22 AM
They already made up their mind.
:yeah: Anyone whos been around awhile should know that. :twocents:
Post by: blackdog on November 18, 2022, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 11:43:54 AM
that old bat in the video chat, is no good for anyone. suswind put his head out there, and the lady on the opposite side, about started crying, and said she was offended and that suswind should not talk like that?, what a total joke, and not one person stood up for him
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 11:44:45 AM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Just tuned back in and Kelly is giving those stupid Comissioners the business
maybe they will choke on their sandwich at lunch
Post by: emac on November 18, 2022, 12:06:01 PM
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Post by: huntnfmly on November 18, 2022, 12:10:12 PM
This is the first one I’ve watched and all I have to say is omg no wonder things are so screwed up
I don’t know who is who on there but the man on the far left of table who is there for his opinion stated things really good and that one lady said she was offended by his opinion
Wholly wow
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 12:14:44 PM
Thank you for the link
This is the first one I’ve watched and all I have to say is omg no wonder things are so screwed up
I don’t know who is who on there but the man on the far left of table who is there for his opinion stated things really good and that one lady said she was offended by his opinion
Wholly wow
Director Kelly Suswind is who you are referring to. I don't know how he has the patients to deal with those clowns. I'd love to buy that guy a beer.
Post by: blackdog on November 18, 2022, 12:16:41 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 12:17:41 PM
Thank you for the link
This is the first one I’ve watched and all I have to say is omg no wonder things are so screwed up
I don’t know who is who on there but the man on the far left of table who is there for his opinion stated things really good and that one lady said she was offended by his opinion
Wholly wow
yea, kelly said his opinion which made logical sense. then opposite side "i am offended, and you should think this way". kelly responded perfectly with "you want us to all be open minded and respect others opinion, but only if it aligns with your opinion". what was even offensive in what he originally said? he didn't accuse anyone, he just gave his point of view. and Rowland i think is Pelosi's offspring, bout as ugly too.
Post by: huntnfmly on November 18, 2022, 12:20:34 PM
Thank you for the link
This is the first one I’ve watched and all I have to say is omg no wonder things are so screwed up
I don’t know who is who on there but the man on the far left of table who is there for his opinion stated things really good and that one lady said she was offended by his opinion
Wholly wow
yea, kelly said his opinion which made logical sense. then opposite side "i am offended, and you should think this way". kelly responded perfectly with "you want us to all be open minded and respect others opinion, but only if it aligns with your opinion". what was even offensive in what he originally said? he didn't accuse anyone, he just gave his point of view. and Rowland i think is Pelosi's offspring, bout as ugly too.
Yeah crazy
With people like that on these committees we’re all screwed
Post by: dwtraut7 on November 18, 2022, 12:21:49 PM
Now, when Baker talks about the purely recreational users (don't like that term as it makes them seem like some victimized group when I hear it) having some period of time without active hunters I have trouble seeing that as anything other than a bad faith argument. Accidents are rare, and excluding something like a fire shutting down access, you can recreate in a non-hunting manner year-round versus defined and published seasons anyone can look up for free. When she talks about trust, statements like hers seem to actively undermine that trust.
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 12:25:07 PM
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 12:26:26 PM
Director Susewind is the real deal and it’s probably over when he retires.
I was hoping we were gonna give him new leadership in the Natural resources Committee in the Senate and it didn't happen. I hope he hangs in for a couple more Years so we have another chance. Haven't thought highly of any of the past director for 20 years... Kelly is a superstar in my book.
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 12:27:48 PM
I was definitely feeling offended after Rowland was speaking in that segment prior to their lunch break, but I think Susewind spoke very well following her ("opportunity does not equal opportunity"-paraphrased). Of course, it then devolved into nonsense but illustrated how very little some members of the commission truly understand the subject matter.
Now, when Baker talks about the purely recreational users (don't like that term as it makes them seem like some victimized group when I hear it) having some period of time without active hunters I have trouble seeing that as anything other than a bad faith argument. Accidents are rare, and excluding something like a fire shutting down access, you can recreate in a non-hunting manner year-round versus defined and published seasons anyone can look up for free. When she talks about trust, statements like hers seem to actively undermine that trust.
Baker is just as anti hunter as the rest of the clowns but she is much smarter. She phrases things in legalize so that a vector of attack is created.
Post by: Farmer72 on November 18, 2022, 01:01:32 PM
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 01:08:01 PM
OMG Rowland is an idiot.
Don't have enough datta.. can't understand why? Only way to get more datta is to hold the season and collect more! This isn't good for my blood pressure.
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 01:10:58 PM
Post by: buckfvr on November 18, 2022, 01:46:08 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on November 18, 2022, 01:58:52 PM
we are going to lose this battle over the word recreation. he has chewed that word so much that he switched the pathway and mentality of the entire meeting
Yeah that was crazy
And to think those are the people that read our emails
Most of them don’t give a rats backside about hunters
I’ve read a lot of topics on this forum about how the wdfw work and what idiots but you really understand how bad it is until you see it
For you guys that make it to these meetings you must chew a whole in the side of your mouth and tounge listening in person wholly crap
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 02:03:16 PM
Post by: Farmer72 on November 18, 2022, 02:12:37 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 18, 2022, 02:16:35 PM
I got a good chuckle out of Commissioner Smith saying none of the Commission is Anti hunting. What a joke.I agree. I hope she does call for a vote like she asked.
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on November 18, 2022, 02:27:48 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 02:29:24 PM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on November 18, 2022, 02:29:54 PM
Post by: Farmer72 on November 18, 2022, 02:34:49 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 02:35:00 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 02:35:31 PM
I normally don't bear hunt but after this I will will be actively looking to fill 2 tags. So guess I need to hook up with people to shoot some bears!
as will I, and rowland is going to get a picture of it mailed to her office
Post by: dreamingbig on November 18, 2022, 02:36:55 PM
Concerned about overall black bear populations? They should be concerned about ungulate populations.
Voting on ethical reasons? Is that the new science?
The 5 yes votes are not unbiased. They can’t possibly make decisions based solely on data.
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Post by: outdooraddict on November 18, 2022, 02:40:44 PM
What the heck is “new science”?
Concerned about overall black bear populations? They should be concerned about ungulate populations.
Voting on ethical reasons? Is that the new science?
The 5 yes votes are not unbiased. They can’t possibly make decisions based solely on data.
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their data is strictly "their opinion" that's what's wrong with the entire thing. the stat they provided was 150 bears are killed in the spring. now if you think 150 bears in the spring even dents the population, then your part of the problem. their data numbers dont even support their decision, its absolutely crazy how they think and argue. i cant believe kelly doesn't find a couple of them in a dark alley after the meeting.
Post by: GOcougsHunter on November 18, 2022, 02:42:47 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 18, 2022, 02:45:01 PM
Ya that Commission sucks.
I haven't watch it,not sure I want too.
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2022, 02:51:32 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 18, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
As Comissioner McIssac said they placed the bar so high that cougars Blacktail and other species couldn't be hunted using the logic for this decision. It may have been on purposeAdd in mule deer, some elk herds, goats, crab, clams, multiple fish stocks, whitetail deer, and just about every other harvested species. Ragan is severely disconnected from real world management. He's lived the mmpa and actually been critical of it and suggested multiple fisheries should close. On another note DEI should really take a close look at this commission.
Post by: high_hunter on November 18, 2022, 04:52:22 PM
As Comissioner McIssac said they placed the bar so high that cougars Blacktail and other species couldn't be hunted using the logic for this decision. It may have been on purposeAdd in mule deer, some elk herds, goats, crab, clams, multiple fish stocks, whitetail deer, and just about every other harvested species. Ragan is severely disconnected from real world management. He's lived the mmpa and actually been critical of it and suggested multiple fisheries should close. On another note DEI should really take a close look at this commission.
Special T: Yes I think that was his last-ditch effort to call their bluff about requests for "more" and "new science". The only card he had to get them to drop the existing motion so he could propose his amended motion with some hunting opportunities and actual direction for WDFW to execute on.
Tbar: What, too many white educated old folks and Karren's on here for ya? haha. It's definitely not the most diverse committee, but what concerns me the most is the influence of non-hunting and anti-hunting groups through these governor-appointed commissioners who now have the majority. I thought Lehmkuhl could be a swing vote (as others have mentioned) but not after this showing.
Super frustrating meeting all the way through but not even the worst based on what I've watched in the past. Was very disappointed they called up Melanie to Zoom in only when they needed her swing vote. She's either fine and able to participate from the beginning or should be excluded from the meeting once past roll call. Also BS that they went back to re-vote after the initial 4-4 tie without her on item #2. Then even more frustrating when they allowed her to re-vote on item #3 when she'd stated Yea and moved on but "give her a break because she's been sick". I think she's worse than Smith.....so many things she stated were incorrect and driven purely off the emotion that she was portraying as fact such as no other animals being hunted in the spring....glad McIsaac caller her BS on that.
Anyways, yes I think Kelly is a saint and it's going to be rough when he leaves. We should start a petition to be refunded any $ tied up in any black bear permit points since they've removed the opportunity. Or hopefully the department still offers them since it is not a "recreational" general season tag but rather a damage/conflict reduction incentive tag. It's crazy the Anti's can't see the difference between this and an elk deprivation permit. Also very concerning they'd rather knowingly have APHIS come in when the meat is going to be wasted. :bash:
Post by: Tbar on November 18, 2022, 05:12:20 PM
Far deeper than those metrics but you're on the right track. It's a poor representation of the state while claiming the opposite. It may get worse as well.As Comissioner McIssac said they placed the bar so high that cougars Blacktail and other species couldn't be hunted using the logic for this decision. It may have been on purposeAdd in mule deer, some elk herds, goats, crab, clams, multiple fish stocks, whitetail deer, and just about every other harvested species. Ragan is severely disconnected from real world management. He's lived the mmpa and actually been critical of it and suggested multiple fisheries should close. On another note DEI should really take a close look at this commission.
Special T: Yes I think that was his last-ditch effort to call their bluff about requests for "more" and "new science". The only card he had to get them to drop the existing motion so he could propose his amended motion with some hunting opportunities and actual direction for WDFW to execute on.
Tbar: What, too many white educated old folks and Karren's on here for ya? haha. It's definitely not the most diverse committee, but what concerns me the most is the influence of non-hunting and anti-hunting groups through these governor-appointed commissioners who now have the majority. I thought Lehmkuhl could be a swing vote (as others have mentioned) but not after this showing.
Super frustrating meeting all the way through but not even the worst based on what I've watched in the past. Was very disappointed they called up Melanie to Zoom in only when they needed her swing vote. She's either fine and able to participate from the beginning or should be excluded from the meeting once past roll call. Also BS that they went back to re-vote after the initial 4-4 tie without her on item #2. Then even more frustrating when they allowed her to re-vote on item #3 when she'd stated Yea and moved on but "give her a break because she's been sick". I think she's worse than Smith.....so many things she stated were incorrect and driven purely off the emotion that she was portraying as fact such as no other animals being hunted in the spring....glad McIsaac caller her BS on that.
Anyways, yes I think Kelly is a saint and it's going to be rough when he leaves. We should start a petition to be refunded any $ tied up in any black bear permit points since they've removed the opportunity. Or hopefully the department still offers them since it is not a "recreational" general season tag but rather a damage/conflict reduction incentive tag. It's crazy the Anti's can't see the difference between this and an elk deprivation permit. Also very concerning they'd rather knowingly have APHIS come in when the meat is going to be wasted. :bash:
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 18, 2022, 06:02:45 PM
Post by: X-Force on November 18, 2022, 06:48:20 PM
I wonder what the next game species Rowland is going to try and save? :dunno:
They aren’t done with bear yet.
Post by: Timberstalker on November 18, 2022, 07:02:31 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 18, 2022, 10:22:07 PM
I’d be surprised if there was a 2023 fall bear season.Well it is recreational,probably not then. 😆
I did just spend the last two hours skimming the meeting.
So ....
No 2023 hunt
No recreational spring bear hunt period.
It's kinda funny that the spring bear hunt has always been a management hunt.
It only turned into a recreation/sport hunt when the anti-hunters says it is.
Isn't all hunting recreational.
Down the rabbit hole we go!
Post by: hunter399 on November 19, 2022, 05:26:18 AM
Sounds WDFW is working on a management hunt.
You guys with points will most likely get tags first.
Probably take a few years to clear out points.
I have a feeling a management hunt will continue.
The amount of tags will be way less then what the spring bear hunt ever was.
Spring bear hunting just went oil tag.
Most of us will never see one.
Post by: ucwarden on November 19, 2022, 09:45:14 AM
For those of you who would like to write a civil and polite email to the commissioners, here are their email addresses.
Voted to ban spring bear hunting: Barbara.Baker@dfw.wa.gov, John.Lehmkuhl@dfw.wa.gov, Timothy.Ragen@dfw.wa.gov, Melanie.Rowland@dfw.wa.gov, and Lorna.Smith@dfw.wa.gov
Voted against the ban of spring bear hunting: Molly.Linville@dfw.wa.gov, James.Anderson@dfw.wa.gov, Donald.Mcisaac@dfw.wa.gov, Kim.Thorburn@dfw.wa.gov
If you choose to send an email to one or more of the commissioners, to express your feelings about their vote, please don't forget to thank the commissioners who voted against the ban on spring bear hunting, especially my personal hero- Kim Thorburn (she is awesome)
Post by: jstone on November 19, 2022, 12:35:04 PM
Post by: jstone on November 19, 2022, 12:53:32 PM
Post by: pickardjw on November 19, 2022, 05:32:53 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/members
Post by: MeepDog on November 20, 2022, 12:52:58 PM
Post by: ucwarden on November 20, 2022, 02:33:33 PM
I sent each of them individually a fairly customized letter stating my opinions on how they voted. While they may fall on deaf ears, it's the least you can do to thank the commissioners who voted to protect the hunt. I'm sure they could use some encouragement.Good job! Thanks
Post by: Bullkllr on November 20, 2022, 02:39:09 PM
What are the education of the ones who banned spring bear? Are they knowledgeable about wildlife and all that goes with it? Or just bought and paid for like Jay?
Knowledge may not count for as much as ideology in some cases.