Post by: BearCreekCookBook on November 15, 2022, 09:31:47 AM
Here is the link for the meeting:
https://parkplanning.nps.gov/MeetingNotices.cfm?projectID=112008
Some news:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12vyUUsUVy0
https://www.q13fox.com/news/feds-resume-study-of-restoring-grizzlies-to-north-cascades
If you are able to comment, please do. Main points to mention are the lack of prey animals to support a population of grizzlies and that things have changed drastically since they used to be here. We have a population close to 8 million in this state. People are mauled and killed by grizzly every year in the lower 48 and if they bring them back they’ll be liable for any loss of human life.
Post by: smalldog on November 19, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 19, 2022, 07:32:33 PM
Here we go!
Post by: bigtex on November 19, 2022, 07:45:47 PM
The Commission doesn't care about human life.This isn't the Commission. It's the feds.
Post by: nwwanderer on November 20, 2022, 06:10:56 AM
Post by: GWP on November 20, 2022, 07:50:24 AM
The Commission doesn't care about human life. They only care about Carnivores and if hunters or people get hurt, they just don't care. They think out of the box,if hunters can't hunt they think hunters will give up their guns because of no hunting. If hunters have no reason to hunt they will take their guns by force. They don't understand that hunting is a privilege and owning guns is a right. They are for Tyranny! Hunting is good for getting good food for the table and good for the economy. Hunters kill their food and none hunters pay someone else to kill their food. I guess the Liberals want people to be vegans and eat bugs.
Fixed that for ya!
Post by: smalldog on November 23, 2022, 07:18:11 PM
They will try!
Post by: wags on November 24, 2022, 10:25:21 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 25, 2022, 08:09:03 AM
Although these new acts from Congress sound great.
It's also bidden draining our Pittman funds.
It's all in the bigger plan to end hunting and finding ways to fund it. They are already amending stuff at the federal level to acomadate hunting ending.
Just more Democrat big spending,spending Pittman funds that we don't have. 2020 and 2021 Pittman brought in 1 billion each year ,this new America wildlife act is gonna spend 1.3 billion a year. How long do you think we have before the Pittman funds are just gone.
5 years,10 years, They will give Pittman funds +21 million a year to Washington. Pittman funds pay for hunters ed and such it will only be 5-10 years before all Pittman funds go to the restoring America's wildlife act.
Like said these bills sound good at first look,but the end result will be bad for hunters and fishing.
All part of the bigger plan. To end hunting ,using Pittman funds,by spending more money each year than Pittman brings in a year. Draining the funds.
RAWA You'll hear WDFW and our Commission refer to it.
Will pay to reintroduce grizzly and pay for there protection.
Along with a bunch of other predators.
Step 1 ,drain the funds.
Step2,make sure all Pittman funds go to non game species.
Step3,end hunting.
Truth or dare ,you tell me?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-congresswoman-says-no-to-bill-that-would-send-millions-to-fish-and-wildlife-agencies/
https://conservationnw.org/our-work/wildlife/recovering-americas-wildlife-act/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/2372#:~:text=This%20bill%20provides%20financial%20and,list%20species%20under%20such%20laws.
The fact that all the conservation org that stoped spring bear hunt support it,should throw some red flags.
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 08:59:16 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 25, 2022, 09:14:03 AM
Post by: Fidelk on November 25, 2022, 09:41:20 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 09:50:19 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 25, 2022, 09:58:48 AM
Yes, and a couple in North Central
:yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.
No reintroduction needed. They'll come and go as they please.
Post by: WWC on November 25, 2022, 10:11:31 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 10:12:17 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 10:14:53 AM
Post by: buckfvr on November 25, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on November 25, 2022, 12:20:25 PM
Yes, and a couple in North Central
:yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.
Photos or it didn’t happen. I know several bios in that very same region and they most definitely would not participate in a cover up.
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2022, 12:30:04 PM
This sounds very much like a recent attempt to move some griz out of the Yellowstone recovery area in an attempt to keep their numbers below the agreed upon threshold that would allow hunting griz in that ecosystem. No matter what, true reasons will be impossible to unearth. Its all just another bs story by a bunch of liars. :twocents:
The YNP Grizz are very adapted to eating elk calves
Post by: buckfvr on November 25, 2022, 12:37:16 PM
Yes, and a couple in North Central
:yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.
Photos or it didn’t happen. I know several bios in that very same region and they most definitely would not participate in a cover up.
"Participate" being the key word there. One does not have to participate to be implicit. To know about something and just turn the other cheek so to speak, and ignore what goes on near and around you, and not acknowledge its presence, is like indirect participation.
I too, like to believe the guys I know, would stand up and be counted vs. be counted upon by the slippery component. Good paying job and pension seals a lot of lips
Post by: Knocker of rocks on November 25, 2022, 12:40:28 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 12:43:21 PM
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2022, 02:09:48 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 02:16:10 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2022, 02:47:09 PM
Yes, and a couple in North Central
:yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.
Photos or it didn’t happen. I know several bios in that very same region and they most definitely would not participate in a cover up.
This got me thinking about integrity
Defending one's integrity is a hill I will always climb, a mountain I would always die defending, should it come to that.
There is no faster way to get me in your grill than to call it into question, and I suspect Bone is the same.
I have never called another persons integrity into question, ever, having it myself I know what it is to defend, what it means, so I wouldn't ever call it into question without irrefutable just cause, proof, as it is so important to me and others like me.
So what sort of person assaults another's integrity on such a whim?
Just thinking out loud ;)
Bone says there was grizz up there, then by gawd there was grizz up there!
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 25, 2022, 02:47:37 PM
Pretty much calling someone a liar.
I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm not trying to stir the pot. But....I know what I saw. I know what we took pics of. If I can dig em up I'll share. But we ran disposable cams and old 35mm junk back then. I didn't save most of those old pics.
I talked to two warden's I knew from the district and eventually the district bio.
The response was, ya we've heard of griz up there. But we'd prefer it doesn't become common knowledge. This is before the world wide web so sharing was word of mouth.
I don't think it was some cover up. It was we don't want it common knowledge.
Just like when we started running across wolves up there. But the state refused to confirm a pack in the greater 335 for year's....so ya....super trustworthy...
But what do I know.
Post by: Buzz2401 on November 25, 2022, 03:09:19 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on November 25, 2022, 03:13:04 PM
I got the same song and dance with wolves repeatedly over the years. Heck, even before wolves “existed” in Washington. Lol!
Yep! I know where some wolves were back in the late 90's in Washington even. I can show you on a map a pretty close location. Probably still find some bones nearby... :dunno:
Post by: Buckhunter24 on November 25, 2022, 03:13:37 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2022, 03:31:50 PM
So you guessed it....didn't happen
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2022, 03:40:42 PM
Yes, and a couple in North Central
:yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.
Photos or it didn’t happen. I know several bios in that very same region and they most definitely would not participate in a cover up.
This got me thinking about integrity
Defending one's integrity is a hill I will always climb, a mountain I would always die defending, should it come to that.
There is no faster way to get me in your grill than to call it into question, and I suspect Bone is the same.
I have never called another persons integrity into question, ever, having it myself I know what it is to defend, what it means, so I wouldn't ever call it into question without irrefutable just cause, proof, as it is so important to me and others like me.
So what sort of person assaults another's integrity on such a whim?
Just thinking out loud ;)
Bone says there was grizz up there, then by gawd there was grizz up there!
Bone Apparently has his reasons, and Im not calling his integrity other otherwise into question. It does bring up an important question. How do we crowd source useful information and who should we give it to?
Post by: Ironhead on November 25, 2022, 04:28:52 PM
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2022, 04:37:59 PM
It's like a giant Buck, some things are just better kept to yourself or a select few.
perhaps I need to expand on my statement. Who are those select few, AND how do we overcome our independent nature? Our natural inclination towards individualism IS our weak point against anti hunting forces. THEY are collectivists and have no problem sharing time money resources for VERY loosely affiliated goals. It is one of the reasons why Several anti hunting groups have paid staff that spend all their time fundraising and organizing to screw sportsmen. Our Necks are too stiff to collaborate in a similar fashion.
To me this a major hurdle to our success. :twocents:
Post by: Alchase on November 25, 2022, 06:00:22 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2022, 06:19:09 PM
There's nothing we can do, it's federal, even if it were state, nothing.
Adapt
Another thing - they aren't going to go way back in the wilderness and pack in a grizz trap with a team of horses...
They're going to get the easy bears, the ones creating problems with people, ranchers and hikers, bird watchers and what have you. They'll probably set a trap next to a dead cow, bait it with beef.
We're getting problem bears that should have been euthanized
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 06:21:59 PM
So now what. Did this great revelation help our cause? What do you think this information really does.
There are still people here that dont know or believe there are grizz in 113. Well, what do I have to prove to them?
By the way, there is also more to a sighting. Like finding a denning area, feeding area, at different times of year, tracks, do 95% of the people on here even know what that looks like? How about these college educated interns?
I tracked a grizz for about 7 years straight. Took the same route every year within a day or two. I've seen a sow and cubs. WHere do you think those cubs came from. Found the marking of a big male. How many on here have ever seen these markings. Why should I point this out to some biologist.
How about the wolverine I saw last week? Is that a big deal? How about all the wolves the last three decades. Anyone remember how that was handled when they were first here, you know before there was a pack. Anyone remember coyote hunting being shut down. ANyone remember alta being closed for three years to hunting?
I reported wolves to a biologist once. The next day I think it was 7 folks showed up with cross country skiis. I watched them ski a mile or so up the hill turn around and come back. They ruled it a coyote. The photo I took of the wolves ended up in the northwest postman. LOL
I have ZERO faith.
AND I could really care less if Knocker believes me or not.
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
I had to walk 7 miles behind a locked gate down a 2 lane gravel road you could drive a doublewide trailer down.
The road that's shut down, and one track of many we seen
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2022, 06:46:30 PM
What do I get, what do we get if I were to report a grizz on Buttermilk Butte (theoretical), even if I were to attach a photo. A dozen college interns that likely dont know their sphincter from their elbows scour the area. So they find tracks, so they find evidence of their feeding, so they find evidence of hair or markings in trees. THen what. The entire drainage or area is shut down. All access blocked, possibly bear hunting stopped. Those dozen report back to to office, now half the district knows this is where I hunt. Everyone with an access pass is now in my area, yet I cant. Do any of the people in the office hunt. Do they now know where. What information is leaked, what information is in the press.
So now what. Did this great revelation help our cause? What do you think this information really does.
There are still people here that dont know or believe there are grizz in 113. Well, what do I have to prove to them?
By the way, there is also more to a sighting. Like finding a denning area, feeding area, at different times of year, tracks, do 95% of the people on here even know what that looks like? How about these college educated interns?
I tracked a grizz for about 7 years straight. Took the same route every year within a day or two. I've seen a sow and cubs. WHere do you think those cubs came from. Found the marking of a big male. How many on here have ever seen these markings. Why should I point this out to some biologist.
How about the wolverine I saw last week? Is that a big deal? How about all the wolves the last three decades. Anyone remember how that was handled when they were first here, you know before there was a pack. Anyone remember coyote hunting being shut down. ANyone remember alta being closed for three years to hunting?
I reported wolves to a biologist once. The next day I think it was 7 folks showed up with cross country skiis. I watched them ski a mile or so up the hill turn around and come back. They ruled it a coyote. The photo I took of the wolves ended up in the northwest postman. LOL
I have ZERO faith.
AND I could really care less if Knocker believes me or not.
For me this has less to do with believing you but a path to action and defending hunting. I appreciate your concerns and statements as fact. I understand your lack of trust in the department (warranted) but I also believe YOU, and other like you, need a path to move sportsmen issues forward. My statement is some what rhetorical and not directed specifically at Bone (However it does apply). Rightly so we don't trust the WDFW. The information is important and CAN make a difference. The question is WHO do you trust, and WHAT circumstances are necessary to divulge such information.
I say this as some one who has reported a Wolf sighting to a WDFW employee I personally know and been scoffed at. My family had huskies as a kid and being asked if it was one as such infuriated me. I have about as much trust in the system as Bone so I can relate. IMO we have 2 choices. ! continue on in Standard operating procedures and hunt till its broken beyond repair. 2 Build a community with those that can be trusted to move issues forward. If you don't think WWC is the group then Who? If none then who will lead the charge and build the rust and how so That I can support them?
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2022, 06:46:51 PM
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2022, 06:51:25 PM
I won't share with bios or anyone else when I spot a rare endangered orchid (yes, true) or grizz, lynx fisher etc
And Im not sure that I would either after the horrible reception I have had from department employees or the S show we have encountered from the current commission. your statement only backs up my 2 options for actions forward. SOP or Phone a friend
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2022, 06:51:45 PM
What do I get, what do we get if I were to report a grizz on Buttermilk Butte (theoretical), even if I were to attach a photo. A dozen college interns that likely dont know their sphincter from their elbows scour the area. So they find tracks, so they find evidence of their feeding, so they find evidence of hair or markings in trees. THen what. The entire drainage or area is shut down. All access blocked, possibly bear hunting stopped. Those dozen report back to to office, now half the district knows this is where I hunt. Everyone with an access pass is now in my area, yet I cant. Do any of the people in the office hunt. Do they now know where. What information is leaked, what information is in the press.
So now what. Did this great revelation help our cause? What do you think this information really does.
There are still people here that dont know or believe there are grizz in 113. Well, what do I have to prove to them?
By the way, there is also more to a sighting. Like finding a denning area, feeding area, at different times of year, tracks, do 95% of the people on here even know what that looks like? How about these college educated interns?
I tracked a grizz for about 7 years straight. Took the same route every year within a day or two. I've seen a sow and cubs. WHere do you think those cubs came from. Found the marking of a big male. How many on here have ever seen these markings. Why should I point this out to some biologist.
How about the wolverine I saw last week? Is that a big deal? How about all the wolves the last three decades. Anyone remember how that was handled when they were first here, you know before there was a pack. Anyone remember coyote hunting being shut down. ANyone remember alta being closed for three years to hunting?
I reported wolves to a biologist once. The next day I think it was 7 folks showed up with cross country skiis. I watched them ski a mile or so up the hill turn around and come back. They ruled it a coyote. The photo I took of the wolves ended up in the northwest postman. LOL
I have ZERO faith.
AND I could really care less if Knocker believes me or not.
For me this has less to do with believing you but a path to action and defending hunting. I appreciate your concerns and statements as fact. I understand your lack of trust in the department (warranted) but I also believe YOU, and other like you, need a path to move sportsmen issues forward. My statement is some what rhetorical and not directed specifically at Bone (However it does apply). Rightly so we don't trust the WDFW. The information is important and CAN make a difference. The question is WHO do you trust, and WHAT circumstances are necessary to divulge such information.
I say this as some one who has reported a Wolf sighting to a WDFW employee I personally know and been scoffed at. My family had huskies as a kid and being asked if it was one as such infuriated me. I have about as much trust in the system as Bone so I can relate. IMO we have 2 choices. ! continue on in Standard operating procedures and hunt till its broken beyond repair. 2 Build a community with those that can be trusted to move issues forward. If you don't think WWC is the group then Who? If none then who will lead the charge and build the rust and how so That I can support them?
I guess I don't understand how a pro-hunting group is going to use the information for a benefit to hunters? I'm not making the leap with ya, or missing something?
Post by: O. Nerka on November 25, 2022, 07:04:28 PM
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2022, 07:28:44 PM
What do I get, what do we get if I were to report a grizz on Buttermilk Butte (theoretical), even if I were to attach a photo. A dozen college interns that likely dont know their sphincter from their elbows scour the area. So they find tracks, so they find evidence of their feeding, so they find evidence of hair or markings in trees. THen what. The entire drainage or area is shut down. All access blocked, possibly bear hunting stopped. Those dozen report back to to office, now half the district knows this is where I hunt. Everyone with an access pass is now in my area, yet I cant. Do any of the people in the office hunt. Do they now know where. What information is leaked, what information is in the press.
So now what. Did this great revelation help our cause? What do you think this information really does.
There are still people here that dont know or believe there are grizz in 113. Well, what do I have to prove to them?
By the way, there is also more to a sighting. Like finding a denning area, feeding area, at different times of year, tracks, do 95% of the people on here even know what that looks like? How about these college educated interns?
I tracked a grizz for about 7 years straight. Took the same route every year within a day or two. I've seen a sow and cubs. WHere do you think those cubs came from. Found the marking of a big male. How many on here have ever seen these markings. Why should I point this out to some biologist.
How about the wolverine I saw last week? Is that a big deal? How about all the wolves the last three decades. Anyone remember how that was handled when they were first here, you know before there was a pack. Anyone remember coyote hunting being shut down. ANyone remember alta being closed for three years to hunting?
I reported wolves to a biologist once. The next day I think it was 7 folks showed up with cross country skiis. I watched them ski a mile or so up the hill turn around and come back. They ruled it a coyote. The photo I took of the wolves ended up in the northwest postman. LOL
I have ZERO faith.
AND I could really care less if Knocker believes me or not.
For me this has less to do with believing you but a path to action and defending hunting. I appreciate your concerns and statements as fact. I understand your lack of trust in the department (warranted) but I also believe YOU, and other like you, need a path to move sportsmen issues forward. My statement is some what rhetorical and not directed specifically at Bone (However it does apply). Rightly so we don't trust the WDFW. The information is important and CAN make a difference. The question is WHO do you trust, and WHAT circumstances are necessary to divulge such information.
I say this as some one who has reported a Wolf sighting to a WDFW employee I personally know and been scoffed at. My family had huskies as a kid and being asked if it was one as such infuriated me. I have about as much trust in the system as Bone so I can relate. IMO we have 2 choices. ! continue on in Standard operating procedures and hunt till its broken beyond repair. 2 Build a community with those that can be trusted to move issues forward. If you don't think WWC is the group then Who? If none then who will lead the charge and build the rust and how so That I can support them?
I guess I don't understand how a pro-hunting group is going to use the information for a benefit to hunters? I'm not making the leap with ya, or missing something?
Sportsmen need to rally behind sportsmen's groups. Non profit rules and such make the line between Lobbying and Advocacy difficult for non profits. A Line that Animal rights activists are willing to ride the Razors edge and sportsmen groups are not. Sportsmen's Alliance, SCI and WWC are groups that try and ride that line (From my observation) most others are conservation based. The only overtly political group in this state is the Hunters Heritage council. The difference gets into the weeds and is worth a separate discussion. IMO all 3 are good organizations, however SCI and WWC are best for this state. Why Might you ask? ALL SCI chapters are member organizations of WWC. WWC also has numerous sportsmen clubs that belong in large part to the founding storyline. WWC was founded around the banning of hound hunting, I know this because of conversations I have had with WWC members like Bushcraft and others involved in the organization. WWC is the a collaboration of sportsmen's organization so that synergistic advancements can take place. I belong to several sportsmen orgs and clubs. Each have a different tolerance for outreach and advocacy depending on membership.
So the question is what can they do? While I cannot answer that question for WWC, SCI or Sportsmen's Alliance I will give my best sales pitch. A dedicated group of sportsmen that are aligned with our cause NEEDS information. Some of that information can be had by information requests, and some of that can be had at the source. Even better is the kind of information that sharpens the point where questions can be asked that you already have the answers to, and if the Department/state lies they are screwed.
Fact is this still doesn't overcome sportsmen's general distrust. No superman exists, and Animal rights Activists give freely and don share our hang ups or distrust.
"If not me, who? And if not now, when?"
Answer me that question and I will follow. if you cannot I will push forward in my assertions.
Post by: boneaddict on November 25, 2022, 07:33:52 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on November 25, 2022, 07:58:37 PM
And Bone has a good point . Why in the heck would we do anything to help the Game Dept? If the science dose t matter, why give a grouse wing, report a wolf or griz? They just used the info against us in some way. Why report how many ducks you kill at a Quality hunt site. Why be a Master Hunter or Teach Hunter Ed?
I have played by the rules all my life but why give them anything now if this is what we get?
No Predator management and less seasons based on a couple folks feelings.
Post by: Fidelk on November 25, 2022, 08:07:39 PM
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2022, 08:12:10 PM
So I am in with Special T. Who leads the charge? What group can we rally behind in this state?
And Bone has a good point . Why in the heck would we do anything to help the Game Dept? If the science dose t matter, why give a grouse wing, report a wolf or griz? They just used the info against us in some way. Why report how many ducks you kill at a Quality hunt site. Why be a Master Hunter or Teach Hunter Ed?
I have played by the rules all my life but why give them anything now if this is what we get?
No Predator management and less seasons based on a couple folks feelings.
You and me live in the same county so I will make this comment. Waterfowl is practically immune form the stupidity of the rest of political discussion. I have talked with several local WDFW in regards to waterfowl have not been found as angry as the rest of hunting. We have a new local regional guy Greg Mesise which I believe is much superior to Belinda the previous manger and With the Private landers manger Rob Wingard. who does Yoemans work for waterfowlers. I will echo your general distrust for the agency but mostly revolving around predator control. It is also important for us not to alienate those friends we have WITHIN the department. They also are asking the same question. Who can we trust for sportsmen in this state and who wont throw us under the buss so that we loose our jobs.
Im just guessing that Bone and Wolfbait didnt speak up because they needed the work. and even if they were so inclined who could they reach out to?
Post by: buckfvr on November 25, 2022, 08:41:29 PM
Establish protocol. Satisfy protocol. Continue to pursue your nefarious agenda, full speed ahead without a glance over your shoulder while stifling a chuckle at the politically correct, clueless patsies in your wake.
They are gaining momentum as we lose sight of the fact. The old strategies are not/have not worked, we need a better plan, any real plan for that matter.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 26, 2022, 07:35:39 AM
Post by: Humptulips on November 26, 2022, 07:46:06 AM
Post by: hunter399 on November 26, 2022, 07:58:34 AM
Just like every politician does. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on November 26, 2022, 08:54:38 AM
Why don't we just make a 1000 memes around election time and drag him through the mud.
Just like every politician does. :chuckle: :chuckle:
@Zardoz
:chuckle:
Post by: Fidelk on November 26, 2022, 09:17:21 AM
OK, here's a plan. How about putting the skids to some of these politicians that are screwing us, Insley in particular. How do we do that you might ask? A good start would be contributing to the WWC PAC. Money talks in politics. How many hunters are willing to spend $300+ on an access permit to hunt. If every hunter kicked in an equal amount to what they spend on permits or gas to drive to an out of State hunt, we would have a formidable amount of lobbying power plus maybe we could elect some of our own.
Finally.....an effective plan.
Post by: Fidelk on November 26, 2022, 09:35:07 AM
Im just guessing that Bone and Wolfbait didnt speak up because they needed the work. and even if they were so inclined who could they reach out to?
As someone else who worked for the Forest Service at age 18 and 19 (one of the best experiences of my life), you are probably correct.....I also needed that work since I had developed an aversion to starving and didn't live in a world where anyone cared about my thoughts and opinions. That pre-Internet world was all about perform, do what you're told or pack your bags and go away.
Post by: Zardoz on November 26, 2022, 07:15:56 PM
Why don't we just make a 1000 memes around election time and drag him through the mud.
Just like every politician does. :chuckle: :chuckle:
@Zardoz
:chuckle:
I'll be glad to help. :tup:
Post by: wolfbait on December 03, 2022, 06:01:43 AM
There was a pack of wolves in Libby creek roughly 88-91 or so. Wolf bait and I were both working for the forest service. We were all taken to a conference room, where we were told, mums the word or lose our jobs. I was a 18, 19 year old kid. I could have cared less about the wolves. It was after that sometime, and I don’t recall which reg change was first. They shut down coyote hunting durning hunting season, probably to reduce incidental kills. By all means they didn’t want to,announce, watch for wolves. Then Alta shut down for 3 years hunting. I really. Enjoyed some of the shed antlers I found after that, and the bucks that were around. The year that opened up I bet it was gangbusters. This of course was them trying to establish a pack long before they finally had to announce their presence.
We ran into wolves in the 8 mile also and were told the same thing, keep your mouth shut.
We saw a couple of wolves in the 70's, and talk to a USFS employee about it, she said they knew they were there but it was advised to keep quiet about it.
Then along comes the first wolves in 70 years BS.
Quite sure you remember the 99.9% sighting of a grizzly bear on a certain timber sale, which turned out to be the timber crew rolling rocks on lunch break. USFS still threw out part of the sale to save face. It really showed their love for grizzly bears and their quest to control everything around the bear.
There are more grizzlies in WA than most people know about, they were not reported for a reason, and now even more so.
I think the grizzly bear push now will go the same way as the wolf push, release and discover. :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 03, 2022, 08:05:09 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2022, 08:21:58 AM
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Quite sure you remember the 99.9% sighting of a grizzly bear on a certain timber sale, which turned out to be the timber crew rolling rocks on lunch break. USFS still threw out part of the sale to save face. It really showed their love for grizzly bears and their quest to control everything around the bear.
:chuckle:
I do remember that and still get a chuckle.
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
Grizzly bear introduction means $$ for the anti hunting groups. They use it to generate donations. Unfortunately grizzly bear hunting will never happen in the lower 48.
I think we should dump a half dozen of them on south Navarre and see which way they go. Lol
Post by: Birdguy on December 03, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
I see no good in having grizzlies here. I think most of the talk of reintroduction is because there is a population and just like the wolves, they will start looking for food and conflicts are coming. It's just a matter of time before Canada and Idaho gift a few wandering bears :rolleyes:
Post by: GASoline71 on December 08, 2022, 12:13:57 PM
There are more grizzlies in WA than most people know about, they were not reported for a reason, and now even more so.
I think the grizzly bear push now will go the same way as the wolf push, release and discover. :twocents:
Those 2 sentences are some scary doo-doo... I can confirm wolves have been in the Central Cascades well before they were "discovered". We've seen and heard them them for years.
We use the areas near where the Griz reintroductions are planned. There WILL be bear/human conflicts.
Gary
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 08, 2022, 12:34:07 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 08, 2022, 01:37:41 PM
Gary
Post by: bigmacc on December 09, 2022, 03:54:30 PM
Then in the 90,s in a different area another buddy and myself spotted a big bear sitting on a log facing us at about 3-350 yards away. It sat on that log like a human sitting on a park bench for about 5 minutes as we glassed him hard, both of us not wanting to shoot because something just didn’t look right. From time to time the bear would turn its head where we could catch his profile, we both concluded the dang thing had a dished face! It was huge for sure, but both of us could not squeeze a trigger because we were convinced it was not a black bear. It soon plopped of the log and walked into a thicket, sure as heck, it had a hunch back. We reported that one and were told, “ no grizzly around here, probably just a big black bear”.
I agree with wolfbait, I think there are more grizzly in this state than most know about, I also think they have been here for awhile.
Post by: GOcougsHunter on December 09, 2022, 04:18:38 PM
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