Post by: WWC on November 19, 2022, 06:23:43 PM
Post by: Special T on November 19, 2022, 06:31:19 PM
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Post by: bigtex on November 19, 2022, 06:38:17 PM
Post by: Special T on November 19, 2022, 06:40:38 PM
His term ends at the end of the year. Not much of a resignation, more like a "don't reappoint me.."
Considering the anti hunters that have been appointed lately the fact that he ahs said "Don't reappoint me" is a big damned deal!
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Post by: Ridgeratt on November 20, 2022, 05:43:16 AM
Baker will be rubber stamped. Thorburn because she has different views on the direction than most of the commission has may not by inslee and could be replaced with another person who shares the restrictive options.
Post by: GWP on November 20, 2022, 07:54:16 AM
Post by: cooltimber on November 20, 2022, 07:57:32 AM
:yeah: How could anyone have hope?? We live in a Blue state, ran by the WORST Governor ever if you're a true outdoorsman. Looking back at what has transpired, it's all been planned. Starting back to outlawing dogs for cats and bears. They have been slowly and methodically picking and implementing regulations that would one day set up their big plan. Everything that is now in place cannot be changed, like hound hunting. So, since the predators are here to stay, their only argument for "saving" the deer, elk, and fish population is to ban all hunting. I've seen it coming for so long, and people looked at me like I was a conspiracy theorist. These peolpe pushing this stuff truly dont care about our game population, they care about being antihunting. So, if they dont see first hand how predators effect our game, its worth it to them if it means banning hunting.So True.
Post by: millerwheeler on November 20, 2022, 08:04:06 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on November 20, 2022, 09:34:56 AM
:yeah: How could anyone have hope?? We live in a Blue state, ran by the WORST Governor ever if you're a true outdoorsman. Looking back at what has transpired, it's all been planned. Starting back to outlawing dogs for cats and bears. They have been slowly and methodically picking and implementing regulations that would one day set up their big plan. Everything that is now in place cannot be changed, like hound hunting. So, since the predators are here to stay, their only argument for "saving" the deer, elk, and fish population is to ban all hunting. I've seen it coming for so long, and people looked at me like I was a conspiracy theorist. These peolpe pushing this stuff truly dont care about our game population, they care about being antihunting. So, if they dont see first hand how predators effect our game, its worth it to them if it means banning hunting.
The state never "outlawed" hound hunting and baiting for bears. That was done by a ballot initiative in 1996 that had a very well put together and misleading ad campaign by multiple anti-hunting and AR groups. Groups which some of the current commission members are proponents of to this day. That's why it's so hard to get that law changed. It would take another ballot initiative to be voted on "by the people" to overturn it. Which it would never fly in this state as now there are too many bleeding hearts that have no clue as to how real game management should be done for any species.
Gary
Post by: buckfvr on November 20, 2022, 10:51:43 AM
His term ends at the end of the year. Not much of a resignation, more like a "don't reappoint me.."
First sentence "conveys my resignation", twist it how ever you want. :twocents:
Post by: furbearer365 on November 20, 2022, 12:19:42 PM
:yeah: How could anyone have hope?? We live in a Blue state, ran by the WORST Governor ever if you're a true outdoorsman. Looking back at what has transpired, it's all been planned. Starting back to outlawing dogs for cats and bears. They have been slowly and methodically picking and implementing regulations that would one day set up their big plan. Everything that is now in place cannot be changed, like hound hunting. So, since the predators are here to stay, their only argument for "saving" the deer, elk, and fish population is to ban all hunting. I've seen it coming for so long, Not a valid gifv URL people looked at me like I was a conspiracy theorist. These peolpe pushing this stuff truly dont care about our game population, they care about being antihunting. So, if they dont see first hand how predators effect our game, its worth it to them if it means banning hunting.
The state never "outlawed" hound hunting and baiting for bears. That was done by a ballot initiative in 1996 that had a very well put together and misleading ad campaign by multiple anti-hunting and AR groups. Groups which some of the current commission members are proponents of to this day. That's why it's so hard to get that law changed. It would take another ballot initiative to be voted on "by the people" to overturn it. Which it would never fly in this state as now there are too many bleeding hearts that have no clue as to how real game management should be done for any species.
Gary
I didn't say the Commission outlawed it, I just simply said that it was outlawed. I know is was a vote, thats also why I said it won't be changed, because we won't get a vote to overturn it. I literally said "Everything in place cannot be changed" because it would have to come to a vote, which will never happen
Post by: furbearer365 on November 20, 2022, 12:23:06 PM
:yeah: How could anyone have hope?? We live in a Blue state, ran by the WORST Governor ever if you're a true outdoorsman. Looking back at what has transpired, it's all been planned. Starting back to outlawing dogs for cats and bears. They have been slowly and methodically picking and implementing regulations that would one day set up their big plan. Everything that is now in place cannot be changed, like hound hunting. So, since the predators are here to stay, their only argument for "saving" the deer, elk, and fish population is to ban all hunting. I've seen it coming for so long, Not a valid gifv URL people looked at me like I was a conspiracy theorist. These peolpe pushing this stuff truly dont care about our game population, they care about being antihunting. So, if they dont see first hand how predators effect our game, its worth it to them if it means banning hunting.
The state never "outlawed" hound hunting and baiting for bears. That was done by a ballot initiative in 1996 that had a very well put together and misleading ad campaign by multiple anti-hunting and AR groups. Groups which some of the current commission members are proponents of to this day. That's why it's so hard to get that law changed. It would take another ballot initiative to be voted on "by the people" to overturn it. Which it would never fly in this state as now there are too many bleeding hearts that have no clue as to how real game management should be done for any species.
Gary
I didn't say the Commission outlawed it, I just simply said that it was outlawed. I know is was a vote, thats also why I said it won't be changed, because we won't get a vote to overturn it. I literally said "Everything in place cannot be changed" because it would have to come to a vote, which will never happen, because we live in a Blue state and have the worst Gov if you are a Outdoorsman.
Post by: wags on November 20, 2022, 05:56:09 PM
Also, who is going to get into the enforcement end of things if they do find funding. I believe that enforcement folks are still by and large hunters or at least aren't antis. I can't really see the tofu eaters becoming enforcement officers, going out into the woods to try to catch gun carrying folks.
It will end up in the same condition as Kenya where no hunting is allowed. Since there will be no legal hunting, it will become a free-for-all with little enforcement. Not good for the wildlife.
Post by: BNAElkhntr on November 20, 2022, 05:58:25 PM
So who is going to fund the department after they get rid of all consumptive use; both fish and animals?
Also, who is going to get into the enforcement end of things if they do find funding. I believe that enforcement folks are still by and large hunters or at least aren't antis. I can't really see the tofu eaters becoming enforcement officers, going out into the woods to try to catch gun carrying folks.
It will end up in the same condition as Kenya where no hunting is allowed. Since there will be no legal hunting, it will become a free-for-all with little enforcement. Not good for the wildlife.
EXACTLY!
Post by: Platensek-po on November 20, 2022, 06:35:11 PM
So who is going to fund the department after they get rid of all consumptive use; both fish and animals?
Also, who is going to get into the enforcement end of things if they do find funding. I believe that enforcement folks are still by and large hunters or at least aren't antis. I can't really see the tofu eaters becoming enforcement officers, going out into the woods to try to catch gun carrying folks.
It will end up in the same condition as Kenya where no hunting is allowed. Since there will be no legal hunting, it will become a free-for-all with little enforcement. Not good for the wildlife.
This is what I think as well
Post by: Bob33 on November 20, 2022, 06:53:40 PM
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/20/593001800/decline-in-hunters-threatens-how-u-s-pays-for-conservation
Post by: dwtraut7 on November 20, 2022, 08:02:48 PM
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Post by: bigtex on November 21, 2022, 05:15:01 PM
This may not be the right place, but could we try to get rhe innitiave banning hound hunting back to a vote? Get big donors to spend tons of ad revenue in seattle showing all the positives etc and the benefit to wildlife?I'd bet pretty good money that there are more people opposed to hound hunting in WA in 2022 then there were almost 30 years ago when the initiative passed.
Post by: GOcougsHunter on November 21, 2022, 05:29:42 PM
The initiative process is a populist idea that moves law by opinion rather than logic, science, or anything else. Our state and country are now fueled by populist ideas where now all of a sudden, everyone is an expert and their opinion matters even if the subject or issue has no affect on their personal life. We disregard the true professionals over ill informed opinion and how things "feel." Sadly, An initiative reversal of hounds and bait will never happen in this state.This may not be the right place, but could we try to get rhe innitiave banning hound hunting back to a vote? Get big donors to spend tons of ad revenue in seattle showing all the positives etc and the benefit to wildlife?I'd bet pretty good money that there are more people opposed to hound hunting in WA in 2022 then there were almost 30 years ago when the initiative passed.
Post by: callturner on November 21, 2022, 05:34:51 PM
Post by: chukarchaser on November 21, 2022, 05:59:25 PM
Post by: Cougartail on November 21, 2022, 07:03:28 PM
In 1996 I new it was over.
Post by: Humptulips on November 21, 2022, 07:19:23 PM
This may not be the right place, but could we try to get rhe innitiave banning hound hunting back to a vote? Get big donors to spend tons of ad revenue in seattle showing all the positives etc and the benefit to wildlife?It can be overturned by a majority vote of the Legislature. Fighting it through the Initiative process would probably take $10 million. Better to spend that money in the elections. At this point it seems pretty hopeless.
Post by: highcountry_hunter on November 21, 2022, 09:08:05 PM
Not only that but they got hound hunting for cougars and bears along with baiting for bears onto one ballot initiative. Washington is a single ballot initiative state but they found some bleeding heart, panty waist judge to allow both to be on the same initiative.:yeah: How could anyone have hope?? We live in a Blue state, ran by the WORST Governor ever if you're a true outdoorsman. Looking back at what has transpired, it's all been planned. Starting back to outlawing dogs for cats and bears. They have been slowly and methodically picking and implementing regulations that would one day set up their big plan. Everything that is now in place cannot be changed, like hound hunting. So, since the predators are here to stay, their only argument for "saving" the deer, elk, and fish population is to ban all hunting. I've seen it coming for so long, and people looked at me like I was a conspiracy theorist. These peolpe pushing this stuff truly dont care about our game population, they care about being antihunting. So, if they dont see first hand how predators effect our game, its worth it to them if it means banning hunting.
The state never "outlawed" hound hunting and baiting for bears. That was done by a ballot initiative in 1996 that had a very well put together and misleading ad campaign by multiple anti-hunting and AR groups. Groups which some of the current commission members are proponents of to this day. That's why it's so hard to get that law changed. It would take another ballot initiative to be voted on "by the people" to overturn it. Which it would never fly in this state as now there are too many bleeding hearts that have no clue as to how real game management should be done for any species.
Gary
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