Post by: Goshawk on December 01, 2022, 08:42:51 AM
All I get is an error page with a 1 800 number for help.
"You are caller number 787".
So much for Idaho in 2023.
Post by: Longfield1 on December 01, 2022, 08:44:42 AM
Post by: elkchaser54 on December 01, 2022, 08:46:20 AM
Post by: CJ1962 on December 01, 2022, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: duckman18 on December 01, 2022, 08:56:50 AM
Post by: Goshawk on December 01, 2022, 09:00:43 AM
Too bad. Was really looking forward to hunting with a grandson who lives in Idaho.
I'll keep clicking!
Post by: CJ1962 on December 01, 2022, 09:01:41 AM
Post by: Yakirack on December 01, 2022, 09:02:03 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on December 01, 2022, 09:02:28 AM
Post by: Longfield1 on December 01, 2022, 09:03:33 AM
Post by: CJ1962 on December 01, 2022, 09:04:19 AM
Message last updated: 10:02 AM MDT
Thank you for your patience during this very popular sales event. Today's sale will begin at 10:30 am MNT
Post by: duckman18 on December 01, 2022, 09:04:29 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2022, 09:05:56 AM
Gary
Post by: Goshawk on December 01, 2022, 09:06:26 AM
Post by: Vek on December 01, 2022, 09:06:56 AM
3507 ahead of me
line is paused
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2022, 09:07:44 AM
Gary
Post by: HillHound on December 01, 2022, 09:13:01 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on December 01, 2022, 09:13:45 AM
Post by: Huntin4Ever on December 01, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
Post by: Goshawk on December 01, 2022, 09:19:40 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 01, 2022, 09:32:28 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on December 01, 2022, 09:34:59 AM
Post by: CJ1962 on December 01, 2022, 09:35:41 AM
"Thank you for your patience during this very popular sales event. Elk Tag availability has been moved from 10 am MST to 10:30 am MST and will resume as normal at that time. When it is your turn to access the site, you may need to log in again or create your customer if you have not done so already. You will have this opportunity without needing to wait in the queue again."
Post by: SpicyTacos on December 01, 2022, 09:44:54 AM
Good luck y'all
Last year I was kicked from the server and did not realize I could log back in to complete my purchase
By the time o got back in my elk choices sold out. I was up in the 55k+ line ...I forget maybe even more.
I settled on a whitetail tag up north. Notched the tag and had a blast. If you don't get yer first choice try something new.
Post by: Tjv28 on December 01, 2022, 09:49:07 AM
Post by: Goshawk on December 01, 2022, 09:51:59 AM
9576
Good luck y'all
Last year I was kicked from the server and did not realize I could log back in to complete my purchase
By the time o got back in my elk choices sold out. I was up in the 55k+ line ...I forget maybe even more.
I settled on a whitetail tag up north. Notched the tag and had a blast. If you don't get yer first choice try something new.
I'm limited to only a couple of units around my daughter's house. The whole idea is to get the grandkids out next year, so we have to stay closer to home than what I would otherwise. There's always quail season if deer tags are not available!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on December 01, 2022, 09:52:39 AM
Post by: Gentrys on December 01, 2022, 09:54:44 AM
Post by: Chukarhead on December 01, 2022, 10:01:21 AM
Two people ahead of me. Mad scramble to re-strategize with buddies.
This was not a problem I anticipated.
Post by: Gentrys on December 01, 2022, 10:07:30 AM
Post by: bear on December 01, 2022, 10:16:39 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 01, 2022, 10:19:22 AM
Post by: Chukarhead on December 01, 2022, 10:21:31 AM
Any confirmed tags bought? My brother has been camped out since 7 last night. Was 10th in line and still hasn’t gotten a chance. Idaho is really f’d up with their system
Yup, confirmed for me.
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 01, 2022, 10:22:24 AM
Only 14000 elk tags so if ur number is over that sol…….
except all the people that aren't buying elk tags or the elk tag they want is already sold out
Post by: CJ1962 on December 01, 2022, 10:28:44 AM
Post by: elkh8me on December 01, 2022, 10:35:34 AM
Post by: bornhunter on December 01, 2022, 10:38:03 AM
Already moved up 400 spots in the line in the last hour. At this rate I will be up to bat somewhere around January 3rd.
Exactly! At 400 an hour this will take forever!
Post by: SpicyTacos on December 01, 2022, 10:40:32 AM
Post by: washingtonmuley on December 01, 2022, 10:44:38 AM
Post by: Beach on December 01, 2022, 10:49:48 AM
Any confirmed tags bought? My brother has been camped out since 7 last night. Was 10th in line and still hasn’t gotten a chance. Idaho is really f’d up with their system
Im still waiting and was 9th in line.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2022, 10:51:53 AM
Already moved up 400 spots in the line in the last hour. At this rate I will be up to bat somewhere around January 3rd.
Exactly! At 400 an hour this will take forever!
Allot of that is the 20 minute purchase window. I know allot of guy's that all logged in and whomever gets in first buys for all. So when their turn comes up it's dead time.
I logged out and logged back in and my spot was still there. So it doesn't appear you can remove yourself from a spot until your spot comes up.
Post by: ljsommer on December 01, 2022, 10:56:30 AM
I think, perhaps, it is not working appropriately. :chuckle:
Post by: elkchaser54 on December 01, 2022, 10:57:06 AM
Post by: bornhunter on December 01, 2022, 10:58:07 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2022, 11:02:40 AM
Set my phone down for a spell and it went dark like normal. When i picked it up an hour later to see where I was progressing in line, i had to reload the app. No biggee as it said I wouldn't lose my place right? Nope... now sitting at 37,000 in line. So very frustrating.
Gary
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 01, 2022, 11:13:39 AM
I know a guy that is in line at Sportsman's Warehouse in Spokane. He has about 20 people in line ahead of him and they just started selling tags...Spokane sells Idaho tags???
Post by: bornhunter on December 01, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
My stepson and I couldn't get in via the website as it was crashing this morning. So at the last second I downloaded the IDFG app on my phone and got in and was assigned around 6,400 in line.
I think that just happened to me.
Set my phone down for a spell and it went dark like normal. When i picked it up an hour later to see where I was progressing in line, i had to reload the app. No biggee as it said I wouldn't lose my place right? Nope... now sitting at 37,000 in line. So very frustrating.
Gary
Post by: SpicyTacos on December 01, 2022, 11:36:41 AM
Seems like they could've prepared for .....
....Tagamageddon....
Post by: elkchaser54 on December 01, 2022, 11:51:46 AM
Post by: Alan K on December 01, 2022, 11:56:05 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on December 01, 2022, 12:00:20 PM
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Post by: CavemantheHunter on December 01, 2022, 12:06:51 PM
Hoping they drop off so I don't have to go through that fiasco. What a joke.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on December 01, 2022, 12:33:59 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2022, 12:35:32 PM
Keep getting bumped out of the que
Post by: ridgefire on December 01, 2022, 12:37:18 PM
Post by: ljsommer on December 01, 2022, 12:43:52 PM
Post by: CJ1962 on December 01, 2022, 12:45:13 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2022, 12:46:29 PM
Gary
Post by: dilleytech on December 01, 2022, 01:13:48 PM
Post by: bear on December 01, 2022, 01:28:47 PM
Post by: buggy on December 01, 2022, 02:14:51 PM
Wondering if I still have my spot or if I am SOL.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 01, 2022, 02:21:40 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on December 01, 2022, 02:22:42 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2022, 02:25:05 PM
Anybody else get kicked out of line? I was 99xx when it started. Checked in few times to see if any progress had been made then about noon I check again and I got the webpage not found message. Signed back in and now I'm like 44k or something. :o
Wondering if I still have my spot or if I am SOL.
I did as well, posted screenshots in tbe other thread
I'm on hold now, just under 3k callers ahead of me lol
Post by: buggy on December 01, 2022, 02:44:08 PM
Luckily I took a screenshot which I emailed to IDFG so they can take a look at it in February sometime... :o
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2022, 02:49:38 PM
Anybody else get kicked out of line? I was 99xx when it started. Checked in few times to see if any progress had been made then about noon I check again and I got the webpage not found message. Signed back in and now I'm like 44k or something. :o
Wondering if I still have my spot or if I am SOL.
I did as well, posted screenshots in tbe other thread
I'm on hold now, just under 3k callers ahead of me lol
I did as well. Started at 6,500ish. Got kicked out and slung way back into the 14K somewhere. Then I was on the app on my phone and it glitched me back to 40k somewhere. So I called on the phone and was 3,200 in line. Had to work swing shift, so I hung up when I was around 2,200 in line because I had to go in to work. Looks like no Idaho for us this year again.
Gary
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2022, 02:57:13 PM
I waited last year till after the rush and got right in and several areas still had tags.
So far online I've climbed 10k spots and it looks like only 13 deer units are sold out. That's only about a combined 1k tags.
Allot of guys won't get a tag to just get one if there preference areas are sold out.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 01, 2022, 03:06:30 PM
It's picking up speed.
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2022, 03:14:07 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on December 01, 2022, 03:16:08 PM
Got booted again, #51,xxx
keep going. See how high you can get and break some records!
Post by: Buckhunter24 on December 01, 2022, 03:30:29 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2022, 03:31:57 PM
Its dropping in a hurry now
2-3k an hour
Except for KF... he's special. :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2022, 03:35:34 PM
Its dropping in a hurry now
2-3k an hour
Except for KF... he's special. :chuckle:
I was trying to get my bro a tag, I won't be hunting idaho this year, it's just too close to my new knee surgury date
Post by: fowl smacker on December 01, 2022, 04:03:35 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 01, 2022, 04:13:22 PM
Post by: CavemantheHunter on December 01, 2022, 04:14:40 PM
The payment page is sticky. Had to run it through three times before it accepted my payment. Just glad I got a tag this year...
Double check your card statement online. It did the same thing to me 7 times. I finally got through on try 7, but now show 7 separate pending transactions for $1300/EA...
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on December 01, 2022, 04:17:45 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 01, 2022, 04:38:26 PM
The payment page is sticky. Had to run it through three times before it accepted my payment. Just glad I got a tag this year...
Double check your card statement online. It did the same thing to me 7 times. I finally got through on try 7, but now show 7 separate pending transactions for $1300/EA...
:yike: :yike:
Post by: Goshawk on December 01, 2022, 06:05:12 PM
Post by: fowl smacker on December 01, 2022, 06:30:15 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2022, 07:09:39 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on December 01, 2022, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2022, 07:14:35 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2022, 07:48:41 PM
So I'll see you guys in the 2024 hunt failure to draw thread! :o
Gary
Post by: dilleytech on December 02, 2022, 08:31:49 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 02, 2022, 08:40:22 AM
When trying to select the tag it doesn’t have non resident deer as an option only elk.. I guess that means deer is sold out?
Yes deer was all gone by 9 last night.
Post by: dilleytech on December 02, 2022, 09:00:13 AM
When trying to select the tag it doesn’t have non resident deer as an option only elk.. I guess that means deer is sold out?
Yes deer was all gone by 9 last night.
Bummer. I tried to get on yesterday mid day and the site was down. Now it’s up and they are sold out lol. How about Idaho goes to a points and draw system like wyoming. That would be great.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 02, 2022, 10:01:48 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on December 02, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:
I like the theory behind this just not the execution of it
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 02, 2022, 10:08:08 AM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:agreed! I like the opportunity at a tag every year! Regardless if it’s the not the unit you want or not.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on December 02, 2022, 10:10:49 AM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:But if it’s a draw then they won’t have to be dedicated, just lucky, c’mon Karl it’s not fair to the guys who don’t care enough to persevere
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 02, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:But if it’s a draw then they won’t have to be dedicated, just lucky, c’mon Karl it’s not fair to the guys who don’t care enough to persevere
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Its a lottery/draw now if you use the online system.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 02, 2022, 10:53:05 AM
I'm guessing day in advance lines, security fence etc...
Post by: vandeman17 on December 02, 2022, 11:07:03 AM
Just wait for the in person shire show next year...
I'm guessing day in advance lines, security fence etc...
It will look like the streets of any big city with all the tents outside vendors
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on December 02, 2022, 11:45:15 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on December 02, 2022, 11:54:45 AM
Also in case anybody is interested it looks like there are still quite a few panhandle B tags, and some Lolo tags for elk. I figure the Panhandle tags are probably more intriguing
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Its kind of funny. This is a popular tag among locals, hence the higher limit for Panhandle B than Panhandle A. However, people coming from out of state (IMO) are more hard core than the locals and prefer the A tag. It goes directly against the idea that out of staters are somehow lazy or ruining things. Cant hardly give those B tags away to out of staters.
Really, that B tag hunt isn't a bad hunt, you get the first week of archery, AND this year the bulls were still bugling when the B taggers went out with rifles.
I'm a resident now and still hunt the A season but have thought long and hard about that B tag.
Post by: idahohuntr on December 02, 2022, 12:08:41 PM
1. Go to a draw. This would let people apply as groups and ensure families and friends can hunt together as opposed to the chaos now. For those concerned about not getting any available tag...let hunters list 10 choices and your 10 choices get looked at before they move to the next app. Tag fees have to be fronted, but will be refunded (along with Lic. refund) if you do not draw.
2. Keep the current system but only allow online sales...eliminate in-person and phone purchases. Right now, the system is heavily slanted to those who drive over, those who have license vendor buddies, etc. Make it a truly fair process. And of course, get the system fixed so it can handle the influx that will come with a shotgun start.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on December 02, 2022, 12:46:08 PM
Yea but if they make it an actual draw with a window of time to apply the odds will be far worse. As it is now you must be dedicated to sit on the online system or phone for a period of time to get a tag, if it goes to an actual draw you will have 10 times the applicants as now. I guess all I’m saying is be careful what you wish for because you just might get it and you probably won’t actually like it in the endGuys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:But if it’s a draw then they won’t have to be dedicated, just lucky, c’mon Karl it’s not fair to the guys who don’t care enough to persevere
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 02, 2022, 01:00:18 PM
this. Draws are bad news for guys who want tags.Yea but if they make it an actual draw with a window of time to apply the odds will be far worse. As it is now you must be dedicated to sit on the online system or phone for a period of time to get a tag, if it goes to an actual draw you will have 10 times the applicants as now. I guess all I’m saying is be careful what you wish for because you just might get it and you probably won’t actually like it in the endGuys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:But if it’s a draw then they won’t have to be dedicated, just lucky, c’mon Karl it’s not fair to the guys who don’t care enough to persevere
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Post by: Mtnwalker on December 02, 2022, 01:12:58 PM
I see two courses of action:
1. Go to a draw. This would let people apply as groups and ensure families and friends can hunt together as opposed to the chaos now. For those concerned about not getting any available tag...let hunters list 10 choices and your 10 choices get looked at before they move to the next app. Tag fees have to be fronted, but will be refunded (along with Lic. refund) if you do not draw.
2. Keep the current system but only allow online sales...eliminate in-person and phone purchases. Right now, the system is heavily slanted to those who drive over, those who have license vendor buddies, etc. Make it a truly fair process. And of course, get the system fixed so it can handle the influx that will come with a shotgun start.
Do it all online, allow groups of 2 or 4 to get in line together. Make the virtual waiting room like 4-6 hours instead of 30 minutes so it doesn't crash the system. Idno just spit ballin' here...
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 02, 2022, 01:13:32 PM
Yea but if they make it an actual draw with a window of time to apply the odds will be far worse. As it is now you must be dedicated to sit on the online system or phone for a period of time to get a tag, if it goes to an actual draw you will have 10 times the applicants as now. I guess all I’m saying is be careful what you wish for because you just might get it and you probably won’t actually like it in the endGuys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:But if it’s a draw then they won’t have to be dedicated, just lucky, c’mon Karl it’s not fair to the guys who don’t care enough to persevere
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Good point.
Post by: zwickeyman on December 02, 2022, 01:20:07 PM
I see two courses of action:
1. Go to a draw. This would let people apply as groups and ensure families and friends can hunt together as opposed to the chaos now. For those concerned about not getting any available tag...let hunters list 10 choices and your 10 choices get looked at before they move to the next app. Tag fees have to be fronted, but will be refunded (along with Lic. refund) if you do not draw.
2. Keep the current system but only allow online sales...eliminate in-person and phone purchases. Right now, the system is heavily slanted to those who drive over, those who have license vendor buddies, etc. Make it a truly fair process. And of course, get the system fixed so it can handle the influx that will come with a shotgun start.
Item #2 will happen
I live in Idaho and went to a local vendor and picked up an Elk tag for a buddy. He was # 4219 in the Que and might or might not have gotten his tag. Met 2 guys there that drove from Minnesota to get their tags. Took me about 2 hours
The dealers are not happy how this is going down and will complain like crazy. I did spend 100 bucks while I was there so he shouldnt bitch :)
With out going to a draw it needs to go to the computer only, no phone in and no walk ins
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 02, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
Post by: The scout on December 02, 2022, 02:20:05 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 02, 2022, 02:41:13 PM
My only real problem with the system is that we should be able to at least do partners somehow. Been hunting Idaho since 2002 and the last 2 years my group has not had the same unit. We have been spread all over and gotten sudden units each year. It’s hard to go to a brand new spot every year. Bout the time you get it figured out it’s on to the next unit.iPhone. There's definitely merit to this argument. While you all can't partake in your group hunt, another unintended consequence is snagging random tags that another guy was wanting. It's a viscous circle for sure.
Post by: elkchaser54 on December 02, 2022, 02:45:01 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 02, 2022, 03:13:22 PM
And if you're going to freeze the online sales it needs to stop via phone and in person. That was my biggest gripe. Purging tags everywhere else except for the poor schmuck on his lunch break staring at his iphone.I think the phone/in person sales were sometimes disrupted and were supposed to stop synchronized with online sales...but in practice that was far from the case. I had one relative buy 5 10a deer tags for guys yesterday...he deserves a 'convenience fee' not the IDFG :chuckle:
Post by: buggy on December 02, 2022, 05:27:31 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 02, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
Tags should go on sale at midnight. :twocents:whatever. Don't temp me with a good time :chuckle:
Post by: dilleytech on December 02, 2022, 07:22:14 PM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:Why not? I love knowing how and when I can plan a hunt. Wyomings system is perfect in my eyes. Buy points, plan. Go hunt
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 02, 2022, 07:33:38 PM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:Why not? I love knowing how and when I can plan a hunt. Wyomings system is perfect in my eyes. Buy points, plan. Go hunt
Oh dear god that would go south in a hurry. The last thing Idaho needs is a points system. :bash:
Post by: actionshooter on December 02, 2022, 07:43:40 PM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:Why not? I love knowing how and when I can plan a hunt. Wyomings system is perfect in my eyes. Buy points, plan. Go hunt
Oh dear god that would go south in a hurry. The last thing Idaho needs is a points system. :bash:
I agreed with that last year, not so sure after this year.... per IDFG email today, they had 67K different customers trying to buy roughly 27K tags... just 3-4 years ago, I would buy tags on the way over... this is nuts
Post by: cem3434 on December 02, 2022, 08:03:03 PM
And if you're going to freeze the online sales it needs to stop via phone and in person. That was my biggest gripe. Purging tags everywhere else except for the poor schmuck on his lunch break staring at his iphone.I think the phone/in person sales were sometimes disrupted and were supposed to stop synchronized with online sales...but in practice that was far from the case. I had one relative buy 5 10a deer tags for guys yesterday...he deserves a 'convenience fee' not the IDFG :chuckle:
I agree that people should be able to buy them in person, but not allowing someone else to buy them in person for you. I think most of us also agree with Karl that we dont want another draw system, but I'd advocate for a draw if this isn't addressed because it's pure bs. To let one person buy multiple tags for other hunters undermines the OTC sales imho. :twocents:
Post by: Chesapeake on December 02, 2022, 08:21:11 PM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:Why not? I love knowing how and when I can plan a hunt. Wyomings system is perfect in my eyes. Buy points, plan. Go hunt
This here is silly. Wyoming point creep is crazy the last few years. Yes you used to be able to stick pile points and then go hunt, but that ship has sailed. Now days if you burn your points you’ll never catch up with anything but a general tag, and that will take 3 or 4 years.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 02, 2022, 08:26:24 PM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:Why not? I love knowing how and when I can plan a hunt. Wyomings system is perfect in my eyes. Buy points, plan. Go hunt
:yeah: Make it draw for the non residents...............
Post by: Benny on December 02, 2022, 08:39:45 PM
In 5 years getting a general tag would be akin to getting a controlled tag. Couple the legislative requirement to make this happen would also include other aspects that would no doubt hurt NR even more (reduced capped tags, increased resident tags, increased outfitter tags).
Fix the point of sale issues and all is well.
Post by: dilleytech on December 03, 2022, 10:47:38 AM
Guys need to stop saying go to draw. Fix the sale system but we DO NOT need another draw system :twocents:Why not? I love knowing how and when I can plan a hunt. Wyomings system is perfect in my eyes. Buy points, plan. Go hunt
This here is silly. Wyoming point creep is crazy the last few years. Yes you used to be able to stick pile points and then go hunt, but that ship has sailed. Now days if you burn your points you’ll never catch up with anything but a general tag, and that will take 3 or 4 years.
Maybe if you’re talking about draws that take 14 points or something. I have gone to wyoming 3 times in the last 6 years for deer and I know that I likely will be able to go again in 2 years. At least based on how the creep has been for the 6 years I have been applying. If they went to the same draw system in Idaho I would simple find the unit that takes the amount of points that aligns with my future plans and go hunt.
Post by: Benny on December 03, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Post by: ipkus on December 03, 2022, 11:17:00 AM
I have been and would much prefer every state had just stayed with the random draw like Idaho and New Mexico...although NM is screwy with their allocation percentages...
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 03, 2022, 11:34:16 AM
And if you're going to freeze the online sales it needs to stop via phone and in person. That was my biggest gripe. Purging tags everywhere else except for the poor schmuck on his lunch break staring at his iphone.I think the phone/in person sales were sometimes disrupted and were supposed to stop synchronized with online sales...but in practice that was far from the case. I had one relative buy 5 10a deer tags for guys yesterday...he deserves a 'convenience fee' not the IDFG :chuckle:
When they froze the online the in store sale’s stopped as well. It wasn’t until 11am that the in store purchases started to work like they should have.
Post by: dilleytech on December 03, 2022, 11:41:47 AM
I first started hunting Wyo we could pull G tags with 3 special. It’ll be 9 or maybe 10 this year. Wyoming is not something to emulate :twocents:
Then pick a new unit to hunt if you want to hunt more often?
I agree Washingtons system sucks and is the worse possible. Besides maybe Idaho now? A state you can’t even buy a tag because their system shutdowns preventing online access.
Post by: MAVsled on December 03, 2022, 12:59:00 PM
Neighbor grew up in ID, but a NR for last 15 years. He paid 3 guys to stand in line at 3 different IDFG license vendors. He got the last unit 66-A tag.
Using this method, he has obtained that unit tag 3 years in a row. He says; "cheaper than hiring an outfitter"
Acquaintance I know, bragging how he was 4th person in a line. 45 min later he was done. Purchased three 67A elk tags. Even if he could buy me one, I wouldn't hunt with the guy.
Hate to say this but only way to be fair, make it a DRAW.
Allow hunters to apply as group, say 6 per.
BUT ONLY ALLOW ONE UNIT, ONE HUNT AS A CHOICE.
I wish WA State would do this. One unit, one hunt choice.
Post by: cem3434 on December 03, 2022, 01:06:41 PM
I first started hunting Wyo we could pull G tags with 3 special. It’ll be 9 or maybe 10 this year. Wyoming is not something to emulate :twocents:
Then pick a new unit to hunt if you want to hunt more often?
I agree Washingtons system sucks and is the worse possible. Besides maybe Idaho now? A state you can’t even buy a tag because their system shutdowns preventing online access.
I think you're missing the point. Having OTC tags in Idaho is unique for non-residents as you pretty much have to draw deer and elk tags in every other western state as a non-resident. There also used to be plenty of units you could draw in WY as a second choice or with zero points, but not anymore. It use to take 10 points to get a primo hunt, but now it gets you a general tag.
In short, the points are making many of these states a once or twice in a lifetime opportunity for most hunters. We don't want or need another broken draw system with points, we just need ID to clean up their current system. People should only be able to buy in person for themselves or wait online like everyone else to see what is available. :twocents:
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 03, 2022, 01:15:10 PM
I know a group of 6 that all logged in early and whomever got the better spot in line made all the purchases. Kinda defeats the random spot assignment.
Guess I'm not sneaky enough to play the system yet.
Post by: snake on December 03, 2022, 01:20:11 PM
Ya I'm not a fan of the ability to group purchase. Guys buying for 8-10 of their buddies.It doesn't work that way. you log in for one person.
I know a group of 6 that all logged in early and whomever got the better spot in line made all the purchases. Kinda defeats the random spot assignment.
Guess I'm not sneaky enough to play the system yet.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 03, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
Ya I'm not a fan of the ability to group purchase. Guys buying for 8-10 of their buddies.It doesn't work that way. you log in for one person.
I know a group of 6 that all logged in early and whomever got the better spot in line made all the purchases. Kinda defeats the random spot assignment.
Guess I'm not sneaky enough to play the system yet.
Your log in assigns you a random spot. Once your spot comes up your able to access the idfg purchase page. Once in all bets are off. I know several people that made multiple purchases once access was gained.
Post by: snake on December 03, 2022, 01:31:45 PM
you're logged in only for your Hunt ID #. not anyone else's. you can only purchase for the hunter ID number you logged in with.Ya I'm not a fan of the ability to group purchase. Guys buying for 8-10 of their buddies.It doesn't work that way. you log in for one person.
I know a group of 6 that all logged in early and whomever got the better spot in line made all the purchases. Kinda defeats the random spot assignment.
Guess I'm not sneaky enough to play the system yet.
Your log in assigns you a random spot. Once your spot comes up your able to access the idfg purchase page. Once in all bets are off. I know several people that made multiple purchases once access was gained.
Post by: Crunchy on December 03, 2022, 01:39:47 PM
you're logged in only for your Hunt ID #. not anyone else's. you can only purchase for the hunter ID number you logged in with.Ya I'm not a fan of the ability to group purchase. Guys buying for 8-10 of their buddies.It doesn't work that way. you log in for one person.
I know a group of 6 that all logged in early and whomever got the better spot in line made all the purchases. Kinda defeats the random spot assignment.
Guess I'm not sneaky enough to play the system yet.
Your log in assigns you a random spot. Once your spot comes up your able to access the idfg purchase page. Once in all bets are off. I know several people that made multiple purchases once access was gained.
pretty sure that is incorrect
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 03, 2022, 01:41:50 PM
you're logged in only for your Hunt ID #. not anyone else's. you can only purchase for the hunter ID number you logged in with.Ya I'm not a fan of the ability to group purchase. Guys buying for 8-10 of their buddies.It doesn't work that way. you log in for one person.
I know a group of 6 that all logged in early and whomever got the better spot in line made all the purchases. Kinda defeats the random spot assignment.
Guess I'm not sneaky enough to play the system yet.
Your log in assigns you a random spot. Once your spot comes up your able to access the idfg purchase page. Once in all bets are off. I know several people that made multiple purchases once access was gained.
I had buddies do it so I know it works.
Once released from the wait your turn jail and directed into the go outdoors vendor screen they bought their tags, logged off, still had access, logged on under a buddies, bought and repeat..
Maybe it's a flaw, but it worked....
Post by: dilleytech on December 03, 2022, 01:51:51 PM
I first started hunting Wyo we could pull G tags with 3 special. It’ll be 9 or maybe 10 this year. Wyoming is not something to emulate :twocents:
Then pick a new unit to hunt if you want to hunt more often?
I agree Washingtons system sucks and is the worse possible. Besides maybe Idaho now? A state you can’t even buy a tag because their system shutdowns preventing online access.
I think you're missing the point. Having OTC tags in Idaho is unique for non-residents as you pretty much have to draw deer and elk tags in every other western state as a non-resident. There also used to be plenty of units you could draw in WY as a second choice or with zero points, but not anymore. It use to take 10 points to get a primo hunt, but now it gets you a general tag.
In short, the points are making many of these states a once or twice in a lifetime opportunity for most hunters. We don't want or need another broken draw system with points, we just need ID to clean up their current system. People should only be able to buy in person for themselves or wait online like everyone else to see what is available. :twocents:
I would agree Idaho 4 years ago as an over the counter state was ideal. But is it really OTC now?
But I don’t understand I guess why someone would say wyoming or some states are once in a lifetime unless you play the game that way. I go to units that take one point and it’s significantly better hunting than anything I have done in washington. If Idaho went to A similar draw I would happily hunt it every few years as well.
Post by: snake on December 03, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
you're logged in only for your Hunt ID #. not anyone else's. you can only purchase for the hunter ID number you logged in with.Ya I'm not a fan of the ability to group purchase. Guys buying for 8-10 of their buddies.It doesn't work that way. you log in for one person.
I know a group of 6 that all logged in early and whomever got the better spot in line made all the purchases. Kinda defeats the random spot assignment.
Guess I'm not sneaky enough to play the system yet.
Your log in assigns you a random spot. Once your spot comes up your able to access the idfg purchase page. Once in all bets are off. I know several people that made multiple purchases once access was gained.
I had buddies do it so I know it works.
Once released from the wait your turn jail and directed into the go outdoors vendor screen they bought their tags, logged off, still had access, logged on under a buddies, bought and repeat..
Maybe it's a flaw, but it worked....
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Post by: fishngamereaper on December 03, 2022, 02:13:20 PM
Ok..sure snake. Whatever you say.
Post by: piledup on December 03, 2022, 04:59:15 PM
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 03, 2022, 05:25:49 PM
I first started hunting Wyo we could pull G tags with 3 special. It’ll be 9 or maybe 10 this year. Wyoming is not something to emulate :twocents:
Then pick a new unit to hunt if you want to hunt more often?
I agree Washingtons system sucks and is the worse possible. Besides maybe Idaho now? A state you can’t even buy a tag because their system shutdowns preventing online access.
I think you're missing the point. Having OTC tags in Idaho is unique for non-residents as you pretty much have to draw deer and elk tags in every other western state as a non-resident. There also used to be plenty of units you could draw in WY as a second choice or with zero points, but not anymore. It use to take 10 points to get a primo hunt, but now it gets you a general tag.
In short, the points are making many of these states a once or twice in a lifetime opportunity for most hunters. We don't want or need another broken draw system with points, we just need ID to clean up their current system. People should only be able to buy in person for themselves or wait online like everyone else to see what is available. :twocents:
I would agree Idaho 4 years ago as an over the counter state was ideal. But is it really OTC now?
But I don’t understand I guess why someone would say wyoming or some states are once in a lifetime unless you play the game that way. I go to units that take one point and it’s significantly better hunting than anything I have done in washington. If Idaho went to A similar draw I would happily hunt it every few years as well.
The general unit we used to hunt in Wyoming could be had as a second choice for the longest time. 5 years ago you could reliably draw it on zero points. Now it is about to be a 3 point hunt this year, even though applications for said unit are down 50% over what they were 5 years ago. If you can't see the trend that is happening across the board in Wyoming then you're not looking very hard. Sure, you might have a unit you enjoy hunting every couple years right now but it won't stay that way for much longer. Enjoy it while you can I guess, but thinking that points would fix anything in Idaho is a pipe dream. Another thing to consider is there were 67,000 people trying for Idaho tags as opposed to Wyoming's 127,000 deer point holders and 149,000 elk point holders. Want to clog up a system for everybody, implement preference points. It's giving up a whole lot of opportunity for a little predictability :twocents:
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 03, 2022, 05:52:09 PM
Let’s be honest, there wasn’t 67k different people attempting to get tags. Everyone of you who refreshed you page and got another number were counted multiple times.
If I remember correctly last year we had to login to get a number in line. Think of how many fewer people would have been in their line if you had to login.
Post by: meatwhack on December 04, 2022, 06:17:51 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on December 04, 2022, 08:09:42 AM
I think one of the problems created this year was that you could get in line (online & on the phone) without logging in. This allowed people to login on multiple devices and get several numbers causing the overload to the system.They stated in an email before sales started that you'd only be able to be on one device. :dunno:
Let’s be honest, there wasn’t 67k different people attempting to get tags. Everyone of you who refreshed you page and got another number were counted multiple times.
If I remember correctly last year we had to login to get a number in line. Think of how many fewer people would have been in their line if you had to login.
Post by: dilleytech on December 04, 2022, 08:24:11 AM
I first started hunting Wyo we could pull G tags with 3 special. It’ll be 9 or maybe 10 this year. Wyoming is not something to emulate :twocents:
Then pick a new unit to hunt if you want to hunt more often?
I agree Washingtons system sucks and is the worse possible. Besides maybe Idaho now? A state you can’t even buy a tag because their system shutdowns preventing online access.
I think you're missing the point. Having OTC tags in Idaho is unique for non-residents as you pretty much have to draw deer and elk tags in every other western state as a non-resident. There also used to be plenty of units you could draw in WY as a second choice or with zero points, but not anymore. It use to take 10 points to get a primo hunt, but now it gets you a general tag.
In short, the points are making many of these states a once or twice in a lifetime opportunity for most hunters. We don't want or need another broken draw system with points, we just need ID to clean up their current system. People should only be able to buy in person for themselves or wait online like everyone else to see what is available. :twocents:
I would agree Idaho 4 years ago as an over the counter state was ideal. But is it really OTC now?
But I don’t understand I guess why someone would say wyoming or some states are once in a lifetime unless you play the game that way. I go to units that take one point and it’s significantly better hunting than anything I have done in washington. If Idaho went to A similar draw I would happily hunt it every few years as well.
The general unit we used to hunt in Wyoming could be had as a second choice for the longest time. 5 years ago you could reliably draw it on zero points. Now it is about to be a 3 point hunt this year, even though applications for said unit are down 50% over what they were 5 years ago. If you can't see the trend that is happening across the board in Wyoming then you're not looking very hard. Sure, you might have a unit you enjoy hunting every couple years right now but it won't stay that way for much longer. Enjoy it while you can I guess, but thinking that points would fix anything in Idaho is a pipe dream. Another thing to consider is there were 67,000 people trying for Idaho tags as opposed to Wyoming's 127,000 deer point holders and 149,000 elk point holders. Want to clog up a system for everybody, implement preference points. It's giving up a whole lot of opportunity for a little predictability :twocents:
I guess my point is sure you have to wait a few years to hunt wyoming. But if Idaho had the same system and montana had the same system then you would still be hunting every year just in a different state. To me this would be ideal. Hunt out of state every year easily and conveniently planned years in advance. Not this apply and hope or not be able to apply at all. I don’t need to hunt Idaho every year. But I would like to mix it up every few years with a closer Idaho hunt. A simple point system would make this much easier. Currently I just hunt Washington on non out of state years. Luckily we have a lot of real over the counter options and a ton of bears.
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 04, 2022, 08:32:07 AM
I think one of the problems created this year was that you could get in line (online & on the phone) without logging in. This allowed people to login on multiple devices and get several numbers causing the overload to the system.They stated in an email before sales started that you'd only be able to be on one device. :dunno:
Let’s be honest, there wasn’t 67k different people attempting to get tags. Everyone of you who refreshed you page and got another number were counted multiple times.
If I remember correctly last year we had to login to get a number in line. Think of how many fewer people would have been in their line if you had to login.
That is not the way it went down though. Everyone received a place in line and they didn’t have to login until their number was called. I was standing in line and the guy in front of me had a number on his phone and one on his tablet plus he was in line at a vendor.
Post by: cem3434 on December 04, 2022, 11:28:17 AM
Draw systems with points are not the answer or solution, rather getting rid of the loopholes in their current system is imho. If you're going to make people go into a virtual lobby, then don't sell tags over the phone, in person or allow others to login for their group after buying their tag. They should also establish different days for deer and elk sales to reduce traffic on their website and minimize the risk of crashing like it did this year. :twocents:
Post by: vandeman17 on December 04, 2022, 11:36:58 AM
Dilleytech, I respectfully disagree and think you're comparing apples and oranges. Montana use to be a guaranteed draw every year whereas now you can generally draw it every two years. I know guys who haven't drawn it in the last two years though because even a simple draw system is subject to point creep. Idaho would be similar and the point creep would eventually make some of the more desirable tags unobtainable to most.
Draw systems with points are not the answer or solution, rather getting rid of the loopholes in their current system is imho. If you're going to make people go into a virtual lobby, then don't sell tags over the phone, in person or allow others to login for their group after buying their tag. They should also establish different days for deer and elk sales to reduce traffic on their website and minimize the risk of crashing like it did this year. :twocents:
A side benefit, in my opinion, of splitting days between deer and elk is it gives guys who drew a bad number on one a chance to draw a good number on the other. Currently, you draw a good number and you can buy a higher quality tag for both species.
Post by: idahohuntr on December 04, 2022, 11:46:10 AM
Clearly, western hunting tag demand has not hit any price resistance and it's a continuous cycle of keeping up with the neighbors pricing.
Post by: kselkhunter on December 04, 2022, 11:54:34 AM
My strategy is to save all those dollars per year in out of state applications, and put it towards guided hunting in Canada or elsewhere (with guaranteed tags) every few years. In net I'll be able to hunt about as much as I was playing the non-resident game. I'll miss doing DIY hunts, sure. But this way at least my funds are going towards an actual hunt. And saves me a bunch of time from playing the non-resident shuffle game.
:twocents:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 04, 2022, 01:39:30 PM
That is not the way it went down though. Everyone received a place in line and they didn’t have to login until their number was called. I was standing in line and the guy in front of me had a number on his phone and one on his tablet plus he was in line at a vendor.
I feel very dumb for NOT being that guy!
Post by: meatwhack on December 04, 2022, 01:55:48 PM
Post by: Apples on December 04, 2022, 02:10:18 PM
Post by: dilleytech on December 04, 2022, 03:17:32 PM
Once the economy really crashes in the next year or two tags will be more readily available because there will be a lot fewer people with extra money for out of state hunting.
And once gas is 5$ a gallon no one will want to drive 1000 miles to go hunt.. oh wait.. :chuckle:
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on December 04, 2022, 06:12:40 PM
Once the economy really crashes in the next year or two tags will be more readily available because there will be a lot fewer people with extra money for out of state hunting.I thought we would see a decline in demand this year with gas and groceries doubling. I wonder how many people just put it on the card and worry about it later. Maybe next year will be the fall off
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 04, 2022, 06:38:52 PM
One of two things would help greatly, increase tag costs until demand tapers. Or close the vendor loophole. Its a NON resident hunt, if they want to keep that option, then it needs to open them at different times to clean up the process.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on December 04, 2022, 06:56:37 PM
Once the economy really crashes in the next year or two tags will be more readily available because there will be a lot fewer people with extra money for out of state hunting.I thought we would see a decline in demand this year with gas and groceries doubling. I wonder how many people just put it on the card and worry about it later. Maybe next year will be the fall off
It’s coming for sure. Been seeing an increased number of Repo’d toys in front of banks in the last few months.
Post by: grundy53 on December 04, 2022, 10:04:28 PM
Dilleytech, I respectfully disagree and think you're comparing apples and oranges. Montana use to be a guaranteed draw every year whereas now you can generally draw it every two years. I know guys who haven't drawn it in the last two years though because even a simple draw system is subject to point creep. Idaho would be similar and the point creep would eventually make some of the more desirable tags unobtainable to most.Agreed
Draw systems with points are not the answer or solution, rather getting rid of the loopholes in their current system is imho. If you're going to make people go into a virtual lobby, then don't sell tags over the phone, in person or allow others to login for their group after buying their tag. They should also establish different days for deer and elk sales to reduce traffic on their website and minimize the risk of crashing like it did this year. :twocents:
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Post by: huntnnw on December 04, 2022, 11:19:11 PM
The dumbest thing any of us can do is push for a draw. Idaho has already hinted at points systems, also known as " loss of accountability ". And the best we could hope is they implement a system with no points, but then you have complete loss of control at least in theory.
One of two things would help greatly, increase tag costs until demand tapers. Or close the vendor loophole. Its a NON resident hunt, if they want to keep that option, then it needs to open them at different times to clean up the process.
Im all for a draw on this. This current system is garbage! Make it a draw with no points and what ever is underdrawn will be first come first serve
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 05, 2022, 12:51:03 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on December 05, 2022, 07:23:49 AM
Once the economy really crashes in the next year or two tags will be more readily available because there will be a lot fewer people with extra money for out of state hunting.
And once gas is 5$ a gallon no one will want to drive 1000 miles to go hunt.. oh wait.. :chuckle:
:rolleyes: I've put 9000 miles on my truck this year just driving back and forth across WA. :dunno: The trip plays h&// on my back but the time between is worth it so far.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 05, 2022, 07:40:19 AM
The unit we hunt is 80 percent private, 15 percent timber co, and the rest NF. Pretty sure some guys are looking over the unit after their selection and scratching their heads.
Besides selling deer and elk in different weeks, maybe they slow release deer tags by a dozen units at a time.
That way holding out for a coveted mule deer tag may mean not hunting at all...I dunno. Just spitballin ideas.
Post by: GASoline71 on December 05, 2022, 07:55:32 AM
The dumbest thing any of us can do is push for a draw. Idaho has already hinted at points systems, also known as " loss of accountability ". And the best we could hope is they implement a system with no points, but then you have complete loss of control at least in theory.
One of two things would help greatly, increase tag costs until demand tapers. Or close the vendor loophole. Its a NON resident hunt, if they want to keep that option, then it needs to open them at different times to clean up the process.
Im all for a draw on this. This current system is garbage! Make it a draw with no points and what ever is underdrawn will be first come first serve
This is kinda how it is right now... You just have to be present for the random draw at a specific time and be assigned a random number to buy your tag.
Gary
Post by: dilleytech on December 05, 2022, 07:56:19 AM
Once the economy really crashes in the next year or two tags will be more readily available because there will be a lot fewer people with extra money for out of state hunting.
Exactly my point. Hunters will hunt even if prices double. If they can fix the system, stop in person and over the phone tag purchase and fix the website. Then that would help but I would prefer having a chance at an easy to draw tag then the zero chance at a tag I had this year. When I logged in and the website was down.
And once gas is 5$ a gallon no one will want to drive 1000 miles to go hunt.. oh wait.. :chuckle:
:rolleyes: I've put 9000 miles on my truck this year just driving back and forth across WA. :dunno: The trip plays h&// on my back but the time between is worth it so far.