Post by: trophyhunt on December 05, 2022, 07:09:17 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 05, 2022, 07:17:40 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on December 05, 2022, 07:17:50 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 05, 2022, 07:37:16 PM
I carry the winch,200 ft of rope, four blocks and three tree straps in my truck. Pulled 3 ft by 100 ft logs with it.
Check them out. My buddy pulled two elk at one time years ago with one.
Post by: bigdub257 on December 05, 2022, 07:39:30 PM
Well I would ditch the bumper Mount and get a Portable capstan winch. You could use it for a variety of jobs besides pulling you truck. I got one as a retirement gift and the thing is awesome. If you need more pulling power just add a pulley block or two.:yeah:
I carry the wick ,200 ft of rope, four blocks and three tree straps in my truck. Pulled 3 ft by 100 ft logs with it.
Check them out. My buddy pulled two elk at one time years ago with one.
Post by: HntnFsh on December 05, 2022, 07:43:01 PM
I've heard good things about the harbor freight winches, for how cheap they are its the route I will go if I add one to my truck
The Badlands have always got good reviews.
Very popular with the 4 wheeler crowd.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 05, 2022, 07:49:38 PM
https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/winches.html
Post by: Mudman on December 05, 2022, 07:57:56 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 05, 2022, 08:00:31 PM
Found these, hmm do I need 12,000?
https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/winches.html
There are lots of guys driving around with a bumper Mount that never use it.
Think long and hard.
Bumper mounts need electric to run.
They are restricted to the front of the rig, unless you do some fancy rigging.
They can over heat.
Pull strength changes depending on how much cable is on drum.
Restricted to how much cable the drum will hold.
Wire cable not fun in cold weather.
:twocents:
Post by: millerwheeler on December 05, 2022, 08:07:48 PM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on December 05, 2022, 08:09:32 PM
As far as rope vs cable, the rope is supposed to be stronger and lighter but my concern is how well it holds up to the salt and deicer they put on the roads. Every time I use my cable when I get home I unspool the line then spool it back up nice and smooth. Takes 5 minutes and it always unspools nicely.
If your handy with a welder it’s not too tough to mount a receiver on the front of your truck then mount the winch onto a plate that’ll slide into the front or rear receiver, could pull your truck front or backwards. Simple and pretty cheap to wire it in front and rear.
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Post by: millerwheeler on December 05, 2022, 08:10:13 PM
Well I would ditch the bumper Mount and get a Portable capstan winch. You could use it for a variety of jobs besides pulling you truck. I got one as a retirement gift and the thing is awesome. If you need more pulling power just add a pulley block or two.
I carry the winch,200 ft of rope, four blocks and three tree straps in my truck. Pulled 3 ft by 100 ft logs with it.
Check them out. My buddy pulled two elk at one time years ago with one.
Those aren’t pulling a full size truck out suctioned down in mud , or winching the truck with 3000 extra pounds of snow and ice they have a place but pulling a full size truck isn’t it
Post by: follow maggie on December 05, 2022, 08:17:20 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on December 05, 2022, 08:26:17 PM
I have a badlands 10k on the front of my Cherokee that sits on a winch bumper, very happy with it. I don’t know how much I’d trust a harbor freight winch, their electronics can be hit and miss. If you’re in a position to use your winch then that extra hundred bucks could be the difference between pulling yourself back onto the road versus a long cold walk home.
As far as rope vs cable, the rope is supposed to be stronger and lighter but my concern is how well it holds up to the salt and deicer they put on the roads. Every time I use my cable when I get home I unspool the line then spool it back up nice and smooth. Takes 5 minutes and it always unspools nicely.
If your handy with a welder it’s not too tough to mount a receiver on the front of your truck then mount the winch onto a plate that’ll slide into the front or rear receiver, could pull your truck front or backwards. Simple and pretty cheap to wire it in front and rear.
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Badlands is Harbor Freight.
Post by: Jason on December 05, 2022, 10:06:31 PM
Here’s a picture of me stuck by myself. Bumper mounted winches have a purpose.
Try running a capstan style winch and your truck at the same time :chuckle:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 05, 2022, 10:33:29 PM
Post by: Jason on December 06, 2022, 04:37:35 AM
The warn VR 12000 with rope is very light - like 70#. Its identical to the 8k and 10k just different gear ratio. Thats route I took, but harbor freight (badlands) is half the cost. I have a Warn M10000 I bought 38 years ago that is still going strong. The VR series are imported and half the cost of Warn’s made in USA winches like the M12000.The newer VR EVO 12000 is 76 lbs, the older VR12000 is 90 lbs. Both with wire rope. I think the M12000 is like 131 lbs. Definitely a weight difference. It does have a bit more rope than the other two.
Post by: blackpowderhunter on December 06, 2022, 05:50:24 AM
a main benefit of the bumper mounted ones is its always with you....Found these, hmm do I need 12,000?
https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/winches.html
There are lots of guys driving around with a bumper Mount that never use it.
Think long and hard.
Bumper mounts need electric to run.
They are restricted to the front of the rig, unless you do some fancy rigging.
They can over heat.
Pull strength changes depending on how much cable is on drum.
Restricted to how much cable the drum will hold.
Wire cable not fun in cold weather.
:twocents:
I ran a 8000lb winch set up on my tacoma once where i had a front hitch receiver, and wired front and back so i could move it to either end of the truck...
the ONE time i needed it, it was at home because i thought that trip had no chance of getting stuck...had to have a buddy come rescue me.
with that said... i have a bumper mount winch on my current hunting rig, as do my buddies, and ive heard nothing but good things about the badlands winches... i have a warn VR series that seems to be holding up fine.
someone else beat me to it but those portable winches are NOT for pulling a full size truck...the biggest one is like 2k lbs in a single line pull. we use a chainsaw winch to pull elk out, but no way in hell its pulling a 2500 truck out.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 06, 2022, 06:14:12 AM
Post by: blackpowderhunter on December 06, 2022, 06:16:55 AM
Agree with all of that, a portable isn't on my radar, and I like the idea of moving the winch to the front or back, but I'll do exactly what you just described.right...
just look up how to rig up a winch to pull backwards (make sure you're carrying snatch blocks, shackles, and tree straps) and you'll be fine.
but yeah it was pretty embarrassing...sunk to my frame driving down a road that looked like any other FS road and my buddy goes, at least you have a winch in the bed....dohhh :bash:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 06, 2022, 06:18:06 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 06, 2022, 06:20:27 AM
yup, already have a couple snatch blocks and tree straps, used that for our moose hunts. :chuckle:Agree with all of that, a portable isn't on my radar, and I like the idea of moving the winch to the front or back, but I'll do exactly what you just described.right...
just look up how to rig up a winch to pull backwards (make sure you're carrying snatch blocks, shackles, and tree straps) and you'll be fine.
but yeah it was pretty embarrassing...sunk to my frame driving down a road that looked like any other FS road and my buddy goes, at least you have a winch in the bed....dohhh :bash:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 06, 2022, 06:30:50 AM
Post by: syoungs on December 06, 2022, 06:35:10 AM
Is it worth 300 more dollars for the synthetic rope?? I like that 12,000 pound winch harbor has, just not sure about spending more for the rope instead of cable, well and the remote. I guess that remote could be important
The entire winch has been updated as far as I know, not just the rope and remote.
But imo, yes, its worth the money to go with a wireless remote and synthetic rope. I change the synthetic rope out on my sxs every 2 years, just to be safe. that size rope is cheap enough that I consider it insurance. I will never run metal rope again. I keep a smallish choker section of old steel cable for the times I have to pull logs etc, and plenty of tree straps and rigging in the sxs.
My last truck had a warn 15k winch. it was a beast. slow, but would pull anything when it worked. I seemed to have a lot of problems with the control box and solenoids. these newer contactor's are a huge upgrade to the solenoids of the past for sure and will be a requirement when I purchase my next winch soon.
I'm going to stick the newest badlands 12k on my f350. I would like a bit more pull, but 90% of the time I used the winches I've had before wasn't for self rescue, but pulling smaller rigs out or moving items. for the times I need to pull the loaded truck out, snatch blocks make it happen.
Post by: Jason on December 06, 2022, 07:37:03 AM
Do not buy the Badlands ZXR 12000. The ZXR has a 5% duty cycle, if you pull for 45 seconds continuously then it has to rest and cool down for almost 15 minutes. These are well documented for there horrible duty cycle.
Post by: Jason on December 06, 2022, 07:40:45 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 06, 2022, 08:39:20 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on December 06, 2022, 08:53:33 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 06, 2022, 09:35:59 AM
I have the Badland Apex 12000 with the synthetic wire rope and mounted it on a portable mount from Amazon so it fits the receiver hitch front and rear on my F350. Has the wireless remote and the wired remote. Haven't had to use it on the FORD yet :chuckle:
Do you keep the winch in a truck box or does it live in one of the receivers full time? I don't want to do a full winch bumper for my Ram but this sounds like a good setup.
Post by: 300rum on December 06, 2022, 09:41:10 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 06, 2022, 10:17:58 AM
Do your best to stay away from communist manufactured goods. Warn makes much better winches you have to watch them too, though.
Warn "assembled in US" winches are over $2000. Warn does employ 400 in Oregon though so good to support them with their VR (china) line which is still double the cost of the Harbor Freight Line.
Post by: KFhunter on December 06, 2022, 10:18:28 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on December 06, 2022, 10:37:46 AM
I have the Badland Apex 12000 with the synthetic wire rope and mounted it on a portable mount from Amazon so it fits the receiver hitch front and rear on my F350. Has the wireless remote and the wired remote. Haven't had to use it on the FORD yet :chuckle:
Do you keep the winch in a truck box or does it live in one of the receivers full time? I don't want to do a full winch bumper for my Ram but this sounds like a good setup.
Stays locked in the front receiver during hunting season then I remove it and it goes back in the garage.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 06, 2022, 07:32:58 PM
Post by: Caseyd on December 06, 2022, 07:39:21 PM
Has anyone w a gmc 2500 stuck a winch in their stock bumper?
This about the closest I’ve seen
https://ffrbeadlocks.com/products/2020-2022-gmc-sierra-25003500-prolight-winch-bumper
Post by: MountainWalk on December 06, 2022, 07:50:43 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on December 06, 2022, 08:05:41 PM
Badlands harbor freight 12000 lbs winch is what I own. Never a problem. I do use a thimble instead of a hook. A pass block or a haywire block is a huge step up. I’ve logged a long time, and I still don’t know what the hell a snatch block is. Hi lift jack is almost worthless. Air down the tires
Snatch lock no different than a pulley also properly rigged doubles your pulling power , and too say a high lift is worthless is laughable used for recovery for decades , and other than a winch can save your bacon anytime used properly
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 06, 2022, 11:21:30 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 06, 2022, 11:24:00 PM
Post by: baker5150 on December 07, 2022, 07:04:10 AM
Has anyone w a gmc 2500 stuck a winch in their stock bumper?
Gas or Coal fired?
Most Diesel trucks have a hard time finding room in the bumper due to the intercooler.
We have 2 Sparky trucks w/ winches, both use front receivers
Post by: Rob on December 07, 2022, 07:21:09 AM
Little chart for rigging.
What do folks use for anchor lines? Chain?
Post by: KFhunter on December 07, 2022, 07:51:02 AM
Post by: Rob on December 07, 2022, 07:52:20 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 07, 2022, 08:02:55 AM
For the synthetic rope, same, lower or higher strength than the winch?
Our anchor strap's are generally rated 3 to 4 times stronger than the winch rating. Generally an 8'-12' chunk of 3" or 4" web.
Post by: KFhunter on December 07, 2022, 08:32:46 AM
You do not want a fail point to launch a block at you
Post by: Rob on December 07, 2022, 08:43:29 AM
Interesting clip about a guy killed when a drop hitch failed and came thru his front window
(Sorry for the thread hijack)
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 07, 2022, 09:49:21 AM
Little chart for rigging.
Nice chart - just remember your hookup point may see 4 times the winch rating on some of those - ie 48,000# for a 12k winch. Make anchor on a tree with a big strap or rope shackle not a 10k rated towhook or hitch ball !
Post by: Jason on December 08, 2022, 08:06:01 PM
I can see that.This was ugly, I remember reading this and the guys family was in the rig when he was killed. Sad story for sure.
Interesting clip about a guy killed when a drop hitch failed and came thru his front window
(Sorry for the thread hijack)
Post by: ghosthunter on December 08, 2022, 09:33:36 PM
A weighted Matt or two on the line may have prevented that.
Post by: HntnFsh on December 09, 2022, 06:17:33 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 09, 2022, 06:41:39 AM
Post by: Dirty Mike on December 09, 2022, 07:47:02 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 09, 2022, 08:04:23 AM
Post by: Dirty Mike on December 09, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
Something like this?
Kinda but a basket with side handles. Make sure its rated for your winch
Post by: follow maggie on December 09, 2022, 09:58:11 AM
Post by: Rob on December 09, 2022, 10:21:07 AM
this is the one I am looking at. Rated to 15K lbs
Post by: Shawn Ryan on December 09, 2022, 12:02:08 PM
This video sold me on line dampner bags: https://www.google.com/search?q=winch+safety+blanket&rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS705US705&oq=winch+safety+&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0i512l6j69i65.4223j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fc576d56,vid:gPba-34ARZY
This will help you understand what your real pulling power and speeds are: https://www.roundforge.com/winch-database/weight/10000-lb-winches/ or https://www.roundforge.com/winch-database/weight/12000-lb-winches/
Factor55's destructive testing helped me decide that closed loop recovery was the way to go and to buy quality, rated recovery products: https://factor55.com/uncategorized/destructive-testing-real-proof-real-results/
I use a TRE thimble (no hook) and carry 3 snatch blocks, two tree savers, extra chain and a dynamic strap, along with 5 shackles.
Splicing syn rope is easy, so don't be concerned that you haven't learned, yet.
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C5TTVKG/?coliid=I2KOONKJP5W5HQ&colid=1PF41YB8WHSPU&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
this is the one I am looking at. Rated to 15K lbs
I've used one of those a few times, on an F-350 that was buried deep in the mud (not my truck!)
They'll work, but if you're good and stuck I think they can cause damage to your frame if you're really winching sideways. There's a lot of leverage on the stubs of your frame rails moving the winch out a couple feet. The cradle bent a little bit too
So I'd be cautious using a winch on a cradle, but they are versatile.
what else you can do is carry the winch up to the trees and anchor the cradle to a tree and carry a battery up to it, put a block on your truck then run it back up to the same tree or a different tree depending on the angles you want to pull. weld some anchor points on the backside of your cradle
oh that amazon cradle looks very weak, go to north 40 they had some good ones in there, I want to get one for my gooseneck so I can winch things up onto it
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 09, 2022, 04:27:16 PM
Post by: Rob on December 09, 2022, 04:32:55 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C5TTVKG/?coliid=I2KOONKJP5W5HQ&colid=1PF41YB8WHSPU&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
this is the one I am looking at. Rated to 15K lbs
I've used one of those a few times, on an F-350 that was buried deep in the mud (not my truck!)
They'll work, but if you're good and stuck I think they can cause damage to your frame if you're really winching sideways. There's a lot of leverage on the stubs of your frame rails moving the winch out a couple feet. The cradle bent a little bit too
So I'd be cautious using a winch on a cradle, but they are versatile.
what else you can do is carry the winch up to the trees and anchor the cradle to a tree and carry a battery up to it, put a block on your truck then run it back up to the same tree or a different tree depending on the angles you want to pull. weld some anchor points on the backside of your cradle
oh that amazon cradle looks very weak, go to north 40 they had some good ones in there, I want to get one for my gooseneck so I can winch things up onto it
I will check North40 out. I was toying with seeing if I could fit some cross bracing in on the front hitch for sideways tweaking. I should have it installed in early Jan. So I can see what things look like.
Post by: Dirty Mike on December 09, 2022, 05:49:25 PM
Post by: Dirty Mike on December 09, 2022, 05:51:55 PM