Post by: Fastass350 on December 22, 2022, 12:40:51 AM
So while driving down the road, the wait to start light (glow plug light, grid heater light) comes on and chimes. Google says it’s an injector issue or an injector return issue.
Since the first time it came on it’s been silent until today. We weren’t very far into our trip back to Wa and it lit up again. Pulled over and dumped some Diesel 911 anti gel/cetane booster in then went another 20 miles and topped the tank off. Noticed after we got down the road that it was lacking in power, like the feeling of pulling a tall cargo trailer into a head wind. After a bit I noticed the life came back and the light was off, truck ran like normal.
Hundred miles or so later light came back on and started to notice a lack of power. Stopped in a Napa and grabbed 2 cycle mix, injector cleaner and marvel mystery oil. One pint of 2 cycle, half pint of marvel and a jug of injector cleaner and down the road. Another hundred miles before the light was off and the power was back.
Question… anyone dealt with this before? Any advice?
Fillter was brand new before we hit the road, is changed on a regular basis.
Has 265k on the odometer with nothing done but an updated fuel pump years ago.
Figuring it may be time for injectors but there’s no miss or sign of running rough so that seems weird, for what little I know. :dunno:
Post by: spin05 on December 22, 2022, 02:54:57 AM
THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES SERVICE BULLETIN 18-011-11 REV. B., DATED JULY
1, 2011, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. ALL REVISIONS ARE
HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS** AND INCLUDE ADDITIONAL OVERVIEW AND
DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION.
HELP USING THE wiTECH DIAGNOSTIC APPLICATION FOR FLASHING AN ECU IS
AVAILABLE BY SELECTING “HELP” THEN “HELP CONTENTS” AT THE TOP OF
THE wiTECH DIAGNOSTIC APPLICATION WINDOW.
THE wiTECH SOFTWARE LEVEL MUST BE AT RELEASE 12.02 OR HIGHER TO
PERFORM THIS PROCEDURE.
THE DRBIII® FLASH FILES FOR THIS BULLETIN ARE AVAILABLE ON
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SUBJECT:
Flash: Diagnostic Enhancements For Fuel System
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin provides Engine Control Module (ECM) software enhancements to improve robustness to fuel system issue detection and two new Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's). This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Engine Control Module (ECM) with new software.
Diagnostic procedures for these new DTC's are included in this Service Bulletin on the last 2 pages which may be printed.
The two new injector Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) for excessive injector return flow are:
· P1222 - LEAK DETECTION DURING MOTORING
· P1223 - LEAK DETECTION BASED ON QUANTITY BALANCE
**When the fault(s) occur, a solid Wait to Start lamp will illuminate in the cluster along with chiming 10 times. When the fault goes inactive, it will clear the wait to start lamp with no chimes**.
Post by: Fastass350 on December 22, 2022, 07:51:16 AM
Post by: Mudman on December 22, 2022, 09:24:24 AM
Post by: jmscon on December 22, 2022, 09:43:30 AM
Also, I don’t know where you are traveling but #2 diesel gels at around 15* and could cause an issue.
Dirty diesel could be clogging you filter too if you are filling up at places you don’t usually go to.
Good luck!
Post by: Fastass350 on December 22, 2022, 10:43:45 PM
Could be a stuck closed injector? In my ‘05 I was adding 2-cycle oil and ATF to every tank. Helps with upper cylinder lube and injection lube and cleaning. You could try the water test on the exhaust manifold. When you are lacking power pull over and drop some water on each of the exhaust tubes from the engine to the manifold and see if on boils off slower than the others to pinpoint the cylinder with the issue.
Also, I don’t know where you are traveling but #2 diesel gels at around 15* and could cause an issue.
Dirty diesel could be clogging you filter too if you are filling up at places you don’t usually go to.
Good luck!
Good advice I hadn’t thought about a cylinder temp test. I usually use a laser temp gun for that. Of course it’s at home, so I’ll try your idea if it happens again on the way home. I’ll keep adding 2 cycle mix for the drive hoping it keeps it in line. Going to have a trailer load when we head home so i don’t need the power loss.
Post by: Mudman on December 23, 2022, 12:05:20 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 23, 2022, 02:25:32 PM
Yup sounds like injectors. Is it throwing a code?? Theres a service bulleton out on it as show below. Hope this helps(This TSB has nothing to do with bad injectors)
THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES SERVICE BULLETIN 18-011-11 REV. B., DATED JULY
1, 2011, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. ALL REVISIONS ARE
HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS** AND INCLUDE ADDITIONAL OVERVIEW AND
DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION.
HELP USING THE wiTECH DIAGNOSTIC APPLICATION FOR FLASHING AN ECU IS
AVAILABLE BY SELECTING “HELP” THEN “HELP CONTENTS” AT THE TOP OF
THE wiTECH DIAGNOSTIC APPLICATION WINDOW.
THE wiTECH SOFTWARE LEVEL MUST BE AT RELEASE 12.02 OR HIGHER TO
PERFORM THIS PROCEDURE.
THE DRBIIIFLASH FILES FOR THIS BULLETIN ARE AVAILABLE ON
DealerCONNECT.
SUBJECT:
Flash: Diagnostic Enhancements For Fuel System
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin provides Engine Control Module (ECM) software enhancements to improve robustness to fuel system issue detection and two new Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's). This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Engine Control Module (ECM) with new software.
Diagnostic procedures for these new DTC's are included in this Service Bulletin on the last 2 pages which may be printed.
The two new injector Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) for excessive injector return flow are:
· P1222 - LEAK DETECTION DURING MOTORING
· P1223 - LEAK DETECTION BASED ON QUANTITY BALANCE
**When the fault(s) occur, a solid Wait to Start lamp will illuminate in the cluster along with chiming 10 times. When the fault goes inactive, it will clear the wait to start lamp with no chimes**.
Post by: jackelope on December 23, 2022, 02:26:25 PM
Post by: Fastass350 on December 23, 2022, 06:25:43 PM
265 is turbo time depends lots on driving habits and cool down times. I’m a warm it up and let it cool off kind of guy, and always watch egt’s. Have since I got it at 18k, so I’m confident ruling out the turbo.
No codes, I can do the three key cycles and there’s nothing showing, also can plug in the smarty jr and no codes showing. :dunno:
Post by: Mudman on December 23, 2022, 07:00:00 PM
When that light comes on and it has a loss of power, boost is lower, also egt’s are lower than normal. When the lights off and it’s running normal boost is normal(35 pound neighborhood pinned) This makes me think it’s lacking in fuel.Turbo related... :sry: :twocents: or smarty program. same either way.
265 is turbo time depends lots on driving habits and cool down times. I’m a warm it up and let it cool off kind of guy, and always watch egt’s. Have since I got it at 18k, so I’m confident ruling out the turbo.
No codes, I can do the three key cycles and there’s nothing showing, also can plug in the smarty jr and no codes showing. :dunno:
Post by: buglebuster on December 23, 2022, 08:08:33 PM
Post by: Fastass350 on December 23, 2022, 08:13:25 PM
If it were a turbo issue why would it be good one time and no good when the light is on? Are you thinking waste gate issue?
Post by: Fastass350 on December 23, 2022, 08:14:50 PM
and I also installed a fuel rail pressure plug instead of the factory return valve and it seems to help.
Tell me more about this…
Post by: buglebuster on December 23, 2022, 08:17:52 PM
https://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/bd-common-rail-fuel-plug-03-07-cummins
Post by: buglebuster on December 23, 2022, 08:22:56 PM
Most likely say no dtc codes, then you can select clear dtc codes and it will turn the light off even tho it says no code. If you have the tuner you can tune back to stock and find someone with the original stock program to flash the ecm and you won’t have the problem anymore.
Post by: Fastass350 on December 23, 2022, 08:57:04 PM
(Slapping myself in the forehead now) knew I could clear DTC’s and view them with the smarty, I do that on occasion cause I get some dumb ones. I honestly never thought about doing that with the wait to start lamp that’s a good idea.
I need to double check but I’m pretty sure mines had that ecm flash, if not I’m going to get that done.
Post by: Fastass350 on December 23, 2022, 08:59:29 PM
Here’s a link
https://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/bd-common-rail-fuel-plug-03-07-cummins
Now it makes sense, I was digging through their site ( I buy a bit from them) and didn’t put 2 and 2 together. Time for another order from them I suppose 😂
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 28, 2023, 07:30:33 PM