Post by: grousetracker on December 24, 2022, 12:46:34 PM
Post by: snake on December 24, 2022, 01:02:06 PM
Post by: MeepDog on December 24, 2022, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 24, 2022, 01:24:48 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 24, 2022, 01:32:18 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Those ads sold a lot of toyotas, most worthless crap ever put in a truck
Unless you like grinding your way down a hill or crawling at a slow walk speed
Post by: Bigshooter on December 24, 2022, 01:34:54 PM
There are a TRD Sport, TRD Off-Road, and TRD Pro trim levels. You probably want to look at what is included with each trim level. The Off Road version offers a locking rear differential which is nice to have.
:yeah:
I had a 13 off road and still have a 17 off road and this is one of my favorite features.
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 24, 2022, 01:35:29 PM
A midsize truck with worse than full size fuel economy. I usually get 10-12 mpg driving I90 across the state.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 24, 2022, 01:41:59 PM
I wouldn’t buy a tacoma… I’ve got one and it’s my least favorite truck I’ve owned.
A midsize truck with worse than full size fuel economy. I usually get 10-12 mpg driving I90 across the state.
Really? What year? I got 23 driving to Cody this fall.
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 24, 2022, 01:47:54 PM
I wouldn’t buy a tacoma… I’ve got one and it’s my least favorite truck I’ve owned.
A midsize truck with worse than full size fuel economy. I usually get 10-12 mpg driving I90 across the state.
Really? What year? I got 23 driving to Cody this fall.
2020, it’s on 285/70 R17 Ridge Grapplers.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 24, 2022, 01:49:50 PM
I wouldn’t buy a tacoma… I’ve got one and it’s my least favorite truck I’ve owned.
A midsize truck with worse than full size fuel economy. I usually get 10-12 mpg driving I90 across the state.
Really? What year? I got 23 driving to Cody this fall.
2020
Bummer. I wonder if there is something wrong with it? Even my 13 with the 4.0 never got that bad of milage. It got 16 no matter how I drove it.
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 24, 2022, 01:55:49 PM
I wouldn’t buy a tacoma… I’ve got one and it’s my least favorite truck I’ve owned.
A midsize truck with worse than full size fuel economy. I usually get 10-12 mpg driving I90 across the state.
Really? What year? I got 23 driving to Cody this fall.
2020
Bummer. I wonder if there is something wrong with it? Even my 13 with the 4.0 never got that bad of milage. It got 16 no matter how I drove it.
I’m guessing it’s the bigger tires that kill the fuel economy. It’s a great truck for my daughter to drive, if it wasn’t for her I’d have gotten rid of it. I suppose it just depends on what you’re looking for in a truck, it’s way to small for my liking.
Post by: Bob33 on December 24, 2022, 02:09:29 PM
I wouldn’t buy a tacoma… I’ve got one and it’s my least favorite truck I’ve owned.My 2021 Tacoma gets 19-20 in city driving and around 22 on the highway. :dunno:
A midsize truck with worse than full size fuel economy. I usually get 10-12 mpg driving I90 across the state.
Post by: MADMAX on December 24, 2022, 03:11:43 PM
Loved it
Except one thing
Gas tank too small
:twocents:
Traded it in on 2020 Tundra
38 gallon tank
Post by: thinkingman on December 24, 2022, 04:20:02 PM
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Post by: buckfvr on December 24, 2022, 05:25:46 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 24, 2022, 05:49:17 PM
You could buy 4 quality used vehicles for that price that you'd actually take off-road and abuse. :twocents:
I haven't looked recently but a months ago, I'm not sure you could have gotten a $10,000 used vehicle that would make it home.
Post by: hooves4me on December 24, 2022, 06:17:25 PM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 24, 2022, 06:45:47 PM
Good solid 1 man kind of truck. 2 guys, not enough room with gear, get an animal, :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:, ya itll do a trailer and gear, if youre ok with working it hard. Lately, they are made for soccer balls.:yeah:
:yeah:
Post by: highside74 on December 24, 2022, 07:43:13 PM
I wouldn’t buy a tacoma… I’ve got one and it’s my least favorite truck I’ve owned.
A midsize truck with worse than full size fuel economy. I usually get 10-12 mpg driving I90 across the state.
Really? What year? I got 23 driving to Cody this fall.
2020
Bummer. I wonder if there is something wrong with it? Even my 13 with the 4.0 never got that bad of milage. It got 16 no matter how I drove it.
I get 17.4 mostly freeway with 33s and a tune on my 2021 TRD Offroad
Post by: fowl smacker on December 24, 2022, 10:25:24 PM
Post by: lewy on December 25, 2022, 12:33:18 AM
Post by: snake on December 25, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
I do not know if this is still applicable, but worth checking into. I have a 2008 TRD Sport, it's my third Tacoma. The TRD Off Road version has a locker rear end, but it disengages at 6MPH, making it an open rear end, and making it useless in my opinion to drive in town in the snow. It is only for crawling. The TRD Sport has a Limited Slip and works great for me. Not trying to be negative, it might not even be this way anymore. Good luck.not what the lockers are for, if you need to lock it in to drive in town you have bigger issues.
Post by: grousetracker on December 25, 2022, 10:29:28 AM
Post by: MADMAX on December 25, 2022, 10:46:20 AM
Post by: lewy on December 25, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
Post by: highside74 on December 25, 2022, 11:08:40 AM
I’m averaging 28mpg in my 3.0 duramax
Show off
Post by: Wazukie on December 25, 2022, 11:34:14 AM
Post by: sagerat on December 25, 2022, 02:08:12 PM
I’m averaging 28mpg in my 3.0 duramax
Sweet trucks for sure, too bad diesel is more costly than gas these days
Post by: lewy on December 25, 2022, 02:13:35 PM
I’m averaging 28mpg in my 3.0 duramax
Sweet trucks for sure, too bad diesel is more costly than gas these days
Yeah that’s true and it’s bs, but it gets literally double the mileage of what my last truck did (same truck but a 5.3 gas) so easy math, the extra $1 or so per gallon isn’t a concern
Post by: fast60eddie on December 25, 2022, 07:40:22 PM
:yeah:Good solid 1 man kind of truck. 2 guys, not enough room with gear, get an animal, :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:, ya itll do a trailer and gear, if youre ok with working it hard. Lately, they are made for soccer balls.:yeah:
:yeah:
Post by: MtnMuley on December 25, 2022, 07:52:03 PM
Toyota has basically mailed it in in the light truck market.
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Only 138K? I'm about to hit 400K in one of my TeRDs and have only fixed a ball joint and a couple cv axles that I put branches through. #1Fanboy here
Post by: thinkingman on December 25, 2022, 09:10:15 PM
Toyota has basically mailed it in in the light truck market.
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Only 138K? I'm about to hit 400K in one of my TeRDs and have only fixed a ball joint and a couple cv axles that I put branches through. #1Fanboy here
Impressive to do that all on OE parts.
Toyota is known for flat leaf springs, frame failure from rust and generally cheap parts and engineering.
Just one ball joint and CVs….
Post by: thinkingman on December 25, 2022, 09:12:16 PM
You will easily get that money back at resale.I’m averaging 28mpg in my 3.0 duramax
Sweet trucks for sure, too bad diesel is more costly than gas these days
Yeah that’s true and it’s bs, but it gets literally double the mileage of what my last truck did (same truck but a 5.3 gas) so easy math, the extra $1 or so per gallon isn’t a concern
I wish they put that motor in F150.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 25, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
Toyota has basically mailed it in in the light truck market.
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Only 138K? I'm about to hit 400K in one of my TeRDs and have only fixed a ball joint and a couple cv axles that I put branches through. #1Fanboy here
Impressive to do that all on OE parts.
Toyota is known for flat leaf springs, frame failure from rust and generally cheap parts and engineering.
Just one ball joint and CVs….
Yep plus the obvious brakes, shocks, and other routine maintenance.
Post by: deerlick on December 26, 2022, 08:37:24 AM
Post by: thinkingman on December 26, 2022, 07:21:57 PM
Can't imagine the cost to keep an f-150 going to 400k miles, toyotas are far superior to any f150 ever made.That’s why you see them in so many commercial fleets.
Perfect from the factory and never need repair plus that awesome capability.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2022, 08:10:48 PM
Can't imagine the cost to keep an f-150 going to 400k miles, toyotas are far superior to any f150 ever made.That’s why you see them in so many commercial fleets.
Perfect from the factory and never need repair plus that awesome capability.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: highside74 on December 26, 2022, 08:20:53 PM
Can't imagine the cost to keep an f-150 going to 400k miles, toyotas are far superior to any f150 ever made.That’s why you see them in so many commercial fleets.
Perfect from the factory and never need repair plus that awesome capability.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I don't think he was trying to be funny. Our local Ohop Utility company runs Tacomas for all their inspectors and such.
Post by: fowl smacker on December 26, 2022, 08:33:51 PM
So do a lot of loggers now along with the Tundras.Can't imagine the cost to keep an f-150 going to 400k miles, toyotas are far superior to any f150 ever made.That’s why you see them in so many commercial fleets.
Perfect from the factory and never need repair plus that awesome capability.
Post by: Jason on December 26, 2022, 08:52:14 PM
I see you’re still on here spreading you delusional BS about Toyotas. Here’s something for you to chew on.Toyota has basically mailed it in in the light truck market.
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Only 138K? I'm about to hit 400K in one of my TeRDs and have only fixed a ball joint and a couple cv axles that I put branches through. #1Fanboy here
Impressive to do that all on OE parts.
Toyota is known for flat leaf springs, frame failure from rust and generally cheap parts and engineering.
Just one ball joint and CVs….
Post by: MADMAX on December 26, 2022, 10:09:47 PM
Post by: grousetracker on December 27, 2022, 05:59:27 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on December 27, 2022, 06:21:50 AM
SOME OF YOU LOVE THE TRUCK SAY ITS CRAP, THETUNDRA HAS WORSE REVIEWS, I WILL FIND SOMETHING, OTHER TRUCK IN THE SHOP FOR P.C.M. MODULE 4 MONTHS.WHAT!?
Post by: Dan-o on December 27, 2022, 07:40:15 AM
SOME OF YOU LOVE THE TRUCK SAY ITS CRAP, THETUNDRA HAS WORSE REVIEWS, I WILL FIND SOMETHING, OTHER TRUCK IN THE SHOP FOR P.C.M. MODULE 4 MONTHS.
:yeah: :yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: thinkingman on December 27, 2022, 09:00:31 AM
Just missing the TRAXXAS decal! :chuckle:I see you’re still on here spreading you delusional BS about Toyotas. Here’s something for you to chew on.Toyota has basically mailed it in in the light truck market.
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Only 138K? I'm about to hit 400K in one of my TeRDs and have only fixed a ball joint and a couple cv axles that I put branches through. #1Fanboy here
Impressive to do that all on OE parts.
Toyota is known for flat leaf springs, frame failure from rust and generally cheap parts and engineering.
Just one ball joint and CVs….
Where are the orange fogs and snorkel for the Walmart parking lot?
You sure that's a real Toyota?
You better let Toyota Corporate know about the fact that flat leaf springs, frame rust and other basic quality and design issues don't require a recall, because that's what they did.
You Toyota fanboys are so much smarter than Toyota lawyers when it comes to their cars....
Really, who poses their car on a pullout to take pictures to post on the internet?
That's a special kind of fanboy worship...
Post by: Tenkara on December 27, 2022, 09:09:59 AM
Give it a rest already. :beatdeadhorse:Just missing the TRAXXAS decal! :chuckle:I see you’re still on here spreading you delusional BS about Toyotas. Here’s something for you to chew on.Toyota has basically mailed it in in the light truck market.
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Only 138K? I'm about to hit 400K in one of my TeRDs and have only fixed a ball joint and a couple cv axles that I put branches through. #1Fanboy here
Impressive to do that all on OE parts.
Toyota is known for flat leaf springs, frame failure from rust and generally cheap parts and engineering.
Just one ball joint and CVs….
Where are the orange fogs and snorkel for the Walmart parking lot?
You sure that's a real Toyota?
You better let Toyota Corporate know about the fact that flat leaf springs, frame rust and other basic quality and design issues don't require a recall, because that's what they did.
You Toyota fanboys are so much smarter than Toyota lawyers when it comes to their cars....
Post by: MADMAX on December 27, 2022, 09:41:33 AM
Post of the day
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Jason on December 27, 2022, 10:47:13 AM
Here’s another side of the road pullout picture for you. I’ll admit it, and you’re right that I’m a fan of trucks that keep on going day after day and year after year.Just missing the TRAXXAS decal! :chuckle:I see you’re still on here spreading you delusional BS about Toyotas. Here’s something for you to chew on.Toyota has basically mailed it in in the light truck market.
They are settling for fourth place.
Fanboys will still buy them but unless you need a car that size or are tumescent over the styling (most buyers), there are much better options.
My F150 with twice the power and capability has 138k with none of the issues I had to fix on my TeRD.
Only 138K? I'm about to hit 400K in one of my TeRDs and have only fixed a ball joint and a couple cv axles that I put branches through. #1Fanboy here
Impressive to do that all on OE parts.
Toyota is known for flat leaf springs, frame failure from rust and generally cheap parts and engineering.
Just one ball joint and CVs….
Where are the orange fogs and snorkel for the Walmart parking lot?
You sure that's a real Toyota?
You better let Toyota Corporate know about the fact that flat leaf springs, frame rust and other basic quality and design issues don't require a recall, because that's what they did.
You Toyota fanboys are so much smarter than Toyota lawyers when it comes to their cars....
Really, who poses their car on a pullout to take pictures to post on the internet?
That's a special kind of fanboy worship...
Post by: Jason on December 27, 2022, 10:54:01 AM
To the OP, don’t buy a Toyota if your not looking for truck that is reliable, well built and has a high resale value.
Post by: thinkingman on December 27, 2022, 12:48:48 PM
To an informed consumer, it seems I might be right...https://www.aboutlawsuits.com/toyota-rust-settlement-114035/ (https://www.aboutlawsuits.com/toyota-rust-settlement-114035/)
Post by: MADMAX on December 27, 2022, 03:15:17 PM
Ive never met someone that owned or seen a rusted out framed Toyota truck
I must be not paying enough attention
:dunno:
Post by: MeepDog on December 27, 2022, 03:58:45 PM
I drive literally one of the worst engines known to man. But since it's so bad, the whole rig cost $6k for a 300hp 4x4. The difference being that when it breaks, I will fix it myself and avoid thousands in labour costs. Resale value? Nope. Just a giant wad of cash in up front savings. Keep your crawl control
Post by: JakeLand on December 27, 2022, 05:20:43 PM
Ya knowwell when you drive on salted roads for 100,000 miles and never wash it and with fat chicks riding in the bed bad things happen you should have bought a 1 Ton
Ive never met someone that owned or seen a rusted out framed Toyota truck
I must be not paying enough attention
:dunno:
Post by: MtnMuley on December 27, 2022, 05:22:35 PM
Ya knowwell when you drive on salted roads for 100,000 miles and never wash it and with fat chicks riding in the bed bad things happen you should have bought a 1 Ton
Ive never met someone that owned or seen a rusted out framed Toyota truck
I must be not paying enough attention
:dunno:
......or apparently an F150. :chuckle:
Post by: snake on December 27, 2022, 05:28:42 PM
Post by: MADMAX on December 27, 2022, 06:08:06 PM
Ya knowwell when you drive on salted roads for 100,000 miles and never wash it and with fat chicks riding in the bed bad things happen you should have bought a 1 Ton
Ive never met someone that owned or seen a rusted out framed Toyota truck
I must be not paying enough attention
:dunno:
I can’t believe you didn’t hoser off :chuckle:
Post by: JWBINX on December 27, 2022, 06:45:45 PM
If you're driving in the hills a lot, and beating on a vehicle you can't beat a Tacoma. They will take more abuse than any other truck you can find. if you want a bigger back seat or be able to pull a camper there are better options. Proud fanboy here.
Thats why Loggers, Oil drillers, Ranchers use them?
Post by: fowl smacker on December 27, 2022, 06:51:17 PM
There are A LOT of loggers running Toyotas now.If you're driving in the hills a lot, and beating on a vehicle you can't beat a Tacoma. They will take more abuse than any other truck you can find. if you want a bigger back seat or be able to pull a camper there are better options. Proud fanboy here.
Thats why Loggers, Oil drillers, Ranchers use them?
Post by: JWBINX on December 27, 2022, 07:12:37 PM
There are A LOT of loggers running Toyotas now.If you're driving in the hills a lot, and beating on a vehicle you can't beat a Tacoma. They will take more abuse than any other truck you can find. if you want a bigger back seat or be able to pull a camper there are better options. Proud fanboy here.
Thats why Loggers, Oil drillers, Ranchers use them?
Where?
Go up to B.C. All Fords, Alberta- Dodge and Chevrolets, Montana ,Wyoming etc All three.
No operations or fleets are running Tacoma's.
I know that they are good vehicles, just not full size trucks.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 27, 2022, 07:17:56 PM
Ya know
Ive never met someone that owned or seen a rusted out framed Toyota truck
I must be not paying enough attention
:dunno:
Toyota had some terrible rust issues for a long time. Body and frames. No sugar coating, it was BAD.
Lots of good little motors with low power, good 4WD, etc. I love my Toyotas but they aren't magic.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 27, 2022, 07:18:49 PM
Post by: JWBINX on December 27, 2022, 07:24:53 PM
And they are excellent until you need a truck to do truck stuff.
:yeah:
Post by: snake on December 27, 2022, 07:48:44 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on December 27, 2022, 08:00:14 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 27, 2022, 08:10:20 PM
Give a guy a Toyota as a fleet truck and he'll have way to much fun and never get any work done..
:chuckle:
All trucks have issues. Toyota's are just as reliable as any other truck on the road....
Post by: grousetracker on December 27, 2022, 08:23:37 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 27, 2022, 08:42:27 PM
There are Toyota fans of all walks of life
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 27, 2022, 08:43:52 PM
Somehow the post got hijacked, I just want a new 4x4 truck that gets decent gas mileage and is reliable.
😂😂 I was thinking the same thing. I’ve had no problems with my rig, it just doesn’t fit the bill for a truck for me. I’d much rather have a full size with way more room (I’ve had every other brand of half tons and prefer each of them over the Tacoma.) like I said, it’s a great truck for my teenager to drive thanks to the safety features and size. It’s severely underpowered and the fuel economy just doesn’t match.
Post by: Bob33 on December 27, 2022, 08:53:06 PM
Post by: JWBINX on December 27, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
unless you need a sunroof a want to spend another 5-7 K. You'll love the ride and power with the
5.3 in the Silverado. 17-18 in town 20-21 on the road. That is actual MPG, not what the computer
says. Good luck. Tacoma's are great pickups, just a little small and about the same price.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 27, 2022, 09:35:03 PM
I enjoyed the heck out of both of mine. Last on i had was a 2010 4.0. So not much experience with the newer stuff. If you need a truck to haul stuff, have lots of room be a smoother ride and tow anything remotely heavy. You need a full size. If easier to park, turn around, anecdotally less prone to breakage, something you may want to mod to get in more trouble with and IMO just funner to drive, then a tacoma would fill the bill perfectly.
Post by: fowl smacker on December 27, 2022, 09:44:11 PM
WA, OR, you know....where we live.There are A LOT of loggers running Toyotas now.If you're driving in the hills a lot, and beating on a vehicle you can't beat a Tacoma. They will take more abuse than any other truck you can find. if you want a bigger back seat or be able to pull a camper there are better options. Proud fanboy here.
Thats why Loggers, Oil drillers, Ranchers use them?
Where?
Go up to B.C. All Fords, Alberta- Dodge and Chevrolets, Montana ,Wyoming etc All three.
No operations or fleets are running Tacoma's.
I know that they are good vehicles, just not full size trucks.
Post by: WRENCHMAN on December 27, 2022, 10:39:51 PM
Post by: full choke on December 27, 2022, 10:51:06 PM
Well. Back in August I met a 2021 Toyota Tacoma TRD. She made a left hand turn in front of me. Needless to say her fancy truck was able to call 911 after her airbags deployed. She got to go home on the back of a wrecker while I was able to drive my 1997 f150 back to work and home with just a bent bumper and a couple of sheared bolts on the winch mount. You guys can keep your newer plastic trucks. I will keep my older metal trucks.
I rear ended a suburu with my 04 f150 at 23mph. She drove away with minimal damage. My entire front end caved in. The collision severed the airbag deal, but the airbag did not go off. Insurance totaled that truck. That was after I had to put a new transmission in at 93,000 miles.
Last Ford I will ever own.
Post by: WRENCHMAN on December 27, 2022, 11:23:29 PM
Well. Back in August I met a 2021 Toyota Tacoma TRD. She made a left hand turn in front of me. Needless to say her fancy truck was able to call 911 after her airbags deployed. She got to go home on the back of a wrecker while I was able to drive my 1997 f150 back to work and home with just a bent bumper and a couple of sheared bolts on the winch mount. You guys can keep your newer plastic trucks. I will keep my older metal trucks.
I rear ended a suburu with my 04 f150 at 23mph. She drove away with minimal damage. My entire front end caved in. The collision severed the airbag deal, but the airbag did not go off. Insurance totaled that truck. That was after I had to put a new transmission in at 93,000 miles.
Last Ford I will ever own.
Well. Sorry about that. Mine is a 97 with the big steel bumper that sticks out and is actually the very first ford I have ever owned. And I beat the crap out of it. I currently have over 300k on it. Yours is an 04. My personal opinion is anything made after 2000 is pretty much the same.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 28, 2022, 08:30:12 AM
Somehow the post got hijacked, I just want a new 4x4 truck that gets decent gas mileage and is reliable.
The 2019 TRD off road is reliable and gets horrible gas mileage, especially with upgraded tires. I get about 15 around town and 19 highway. If I wanted that kind of mileage, I'd have stuck with my old Tundra.
Post by: thinkingman on December 28, 2022, 09:44:52 AM
Grouse. In short, yes they are worth it. From an investment standpoint thinkingman doesn't think. Regardless of fanboys or whether or not they are appropriately suited for truck work. The fact remains buy one rust it out, beat it up, put 200 gs on it and sell it for a mint to a fanboy in 10 minutes.You might not be as smart as you would like to believe.
I enjoyed the heck out of both of mine. Last on i had was a 2010 4.0. So not much experience with the newer stuff. If you need a truck to haul stuff, have lots of room be a smoother ride and tow anything remotely heavy. You need a full size. If easier to park, turn around, anecdotally less prone to breakage, something you may want to mod to get in more trouble with and IMO just funner to drive, then a tacoma would fill the bill perfectly.
I bought a 2006 TRD Sport with 6spM just to see what all the hype was about.
Immediately, I noticed with 450lb of passengers and a canopy over the ridiculous, useless 5' bed, I couldn't clear a speed bump without hitting the bump stops....Literally.
Rear leafs had negative camber.
Know I know that's a sign of quality and loggers and other men with facial hair recognize that is what you want in a rig made to make you look more manly, but it didn't work for me.
I called Toyota and they said I was crazy, they didn't make anything underengineered with crappy OE supplies and to go away.
I eventually replaced the rear leaf with OME Dakar springs and removed the 3rd leaf so I didn't look like a desperate 19yr old trying to impress girls and removed those garbage yellow Bilstein 4600s (TRD? more like TeRD) and installed 5100s and it finally rode like a decent vehicle.
Same for the front...OME 883s and 5100s....Not preloaded 5100s like the people who only care about looks and know nothing about suspension dynamics which makes up about 89% of TacomaWorld members.
I spent $2k and did all the work myself to fix what Toyota failed miserably to do with all their vast engineering prowess and superior quality control.
Then they finally issued a suspension recall to fix what I told them was wrong years earlier and they told me to Eff Off when I presented them with receipts for the expense to fix a vehicle defective from the start.
I drove that car to 186k miles, when I traded it for the F150 I have now.
Toyota:
New suspension to fix the sad crap they put on at the factory
Two water pumps, installed myself
New set of takeoff wheels from some kid that had to have 35's to feel like a man because my original 'alloys' corroded and flaked so badly it was embarassing.
Gas cap door fell off from the cheap stamping rusting away...Not even anything close to a hinge on it.
Rubber roof strips sailed off on I-90 near Ellensburg.
Rear window rattled loose on cobble in the LT Murray...Luckily I realized it before it literally fell out and shattered.
Frame had rot holes in it but not 10cm so Toyota said 'Keep driving that crap'.
I sold it for $12.5k to some fool who believes what he reads on the internet.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 28, 2022, 06:28:32 PM
Post by: snake on December 28, 2022, 06:37:57 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on December 28, 2022, 09:10:49 PM
I’ve yet to read any other reviews that are comparable to yours.
Ever.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on December 28, 2022, 09:35:39 PM
Only complaints I have is I wish I had a manual and you can’t haul more than 500 lbs in the back before the back end sags. Pulled trailers full of a cord of wood and snowmobiles and it did just fine.
I’d compare the Tacoma to the Ford Ranger if you’re looking for something of similar size. Went hunting with a buddy that has one and they’re as nice as Tacoma’s for woods driving.
The newer hound hunting trucks you see over here are Tacoma’s and Tundras. There’s a reason for that.
I drive dodges and Fords most of the time in the summer while working and they aren’t as a comfortable of a ride on the crappy National Forest roads like the Tacoma’s are.
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2022, 08:46:49 AM
wow you are really butt hurt. There is help out there.I promised Toyota that their arrogance would be broadcast.
I keep my word.
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2022, 08:50:44 AM
Thinkingman,Strangely, Toyota did have to issue recalls for frame rust and bed rust, in addition to others.
I’ve yet to read any other reviews that are comparable to yours.
Ever.
Spend an hour or two on Tacomaworld forum.
Between the 'How do I put brighter yellow fog bulbs in my incandescent housing for driving in traffic?' and 'Which tires look better?', you will see questions regarding the definite decline in the Toyota quality myth...But you have to have an open mind and willing to admit the truth.
It will break you out of the Toyota Fanboi syndrome.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 29, 2022, 08:53:29 AM
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2022, 08:56:14 AM
I'm sure glad Toyota sold you that rig and not me. I've not experienced a single.one of those issues on any of the many I've bought over the last 30 years. Over a million miles and a lot of them hard miles, and none of those issues you had. Even have some factory wheels with over 400K on em that that only show signs of rocks I've hit and stains from the grime they put on the roads in the winter since I never wash em that time of year. I did break a belt one time but that was a simple fix.You must have spent a lot of time on that!
This took 30 seconds...
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-frame-cancer-has-this-been-solved.788110/ (https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-frame-cancer-has-this-been-solved.788110/)
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tsb-list-for-2005-toyota-tacoma.7107/ (https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tsb-list-for-2005-toyota-tacoma.7107/)
Post by: Buckjunkie on December 29, 2022, 09:19:38 AM
I also have many friends with Toyotas and they all have the same experience.
Post by: Fidelk on December 29, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2022, 09:33:20 AM
My wife drives it now since I got a 2021 f150 last year. If Toyota offered a crew cab with a 6.5ft bed I'd have gone that route most likely. I LOOOOOVE my f150 now though so hard sayin if I'd go tundra if I had a time machine. Maybe would have saved me from having a dead truck on the side of the highway one month after I bought it. And by dead I mean not even my hazard lights would work. Ford would only tow it to the nearest dealer so used AAA to get it back to yakima. Tail end of a hunting trip that took me to Southern Idaho, then Montana, and finished in Spokane. Thank god she died in Spokane and not the middle of BFE idaho. Wife drove up in the tundra to pick me up. No issues :chuckle:
Post by: Jason on December 29, 2022, 09:36:38 AM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2014/04/ford-recalling-more-vehicles-for-rust-problems/&ved=2ahUKEwjyoqrIrZ_8AhV0MX0KHZ_pDF4QFnoECC4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Rdc_PcI4xiIFOa1lBvCCdI'm sure glad Toyota sold you that rig and not me. I've not experienced a single.one of those issues on any of the many I've bought over the last 30 years. Over a million miles and a lot of them hard miles, and none of those issues you had. Even have some factory wheels with over 400K on em that that only show signs of rocks I've hit and stains from the grime they put on the roads in the winter since I never wash em that time of year. I did break a belt one time but that was a simple fix.You must have spent a lot of time on that!
This took 30 seconds...
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-frame-cancer-has-this-been-solved.788110/ (https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-frame-cancer-has-this-been-solved.788110/)
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tsb-list-for-2005-toyota-tacoma.7107/ (https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tsb-list-for-2005-toyota-tacoma.7107/)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/ford-explorer-recall-corrosion-can-damage-the-rear-suspension-a9267780957/&ved=2ahUKEwjyoqrIrZ_8AhV0MX0KHZ_pDF4QFnoECDEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2QwGrvd1xvQ5kB_CUAnX_h
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://thenewswheel.com/ford-recalls-435000-models/&ved=2ahUKEwi2wfb9rZ_8AhVyP30KHd7SA7w4ChAWegQIDxAB&usg=AOvVaw0DG-wDqKudY1HzeUjjmFia
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://f150advisor.com/ford-f150-rust-recall/&ved=2ahUKEwjyoqrIrZ_8AhV0MX0KHZ_pDF4QtwJ6BAgiEAE&usg=AOvVaw1QK9BREJ_JE1uGjWRNrTNF
Post by: Jason on December 29, 2022, 09:40:51 AM
My 2007 tundra on Saturday. I bought her at 38k miles in 2014. Besides standard maintenance the only repairs I've had to do was the A/C compressor last year. That was a nice little bill :o.I agree that Toyota really missed out on not having a decent sized bed on the Crewmax. That is my biggest complaint for the Tundra.
My wife drives it now since I got a 2021 f150 last year. If Toyota offered a crew cab with a 6.5ft bed I'd have gone that route most likely. I LOOOOOVE my f150 now though so hard sayin if I'd go tundra if I had a time machine. Maybe would have saved me from having a dead truck on the side of the highway one month after I bought it. And by dead I mean not even my hazard lights would work. Ford would only tow it to the nearest dealer so used AAA to get it back to yakima. Tail end of a hunting trip that took me to Southern Idaho, then Montana, and finished in Spokane. Thank god she died in Spokane and not the middle of BFE idaho. Wife drove up in the tundra to pick me up. No issues :chuckle:
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
You didn't even read these, did you?https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2014/04/ford-recalling-more-vehicles-for-rust-problems/&ved=2ahUKEwjyoqrIrZ_8AhV0MX0KHZ_pDF4QFnoECC4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Rdc_PcI4xiIFOa1lBvCCdI'm sure glad Toyota sold you that rig and not me. I've not experienced a single.one of those issues on any of the many I've bought over the last 30 years. Over a million miles and a lot of them hard miles, and none of those issues you had. Even have some factory wheels with over 400K on em that that only show signs of rocks I've hit and stains from the grime they put on the roads in the winter since I never wash em that time of year. I did break a belt one time but that was a simple fix.You must have spent a lot of time on that!
This took 30 seconds...
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-frame-cancer-has-this-been-solved.788110/ (https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-frame-cancer-has-this-been-solved.788110/)
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tsb-list-for-2005-toyota-tacoma.7107/ (https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tsb-list-for-2005-toyota-tacoma.7107/)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/ford-explorer-recall-corrosion-can-damage-the-rear-suspension-a9267780957/&ved=2ahUKEwjyoqrIrZ_8AhV0MX0KHZ_pDF4QFnoECDEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2QwGrvd1xvQ5kB_CUAnX_h
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://thenewswheel.com/ford-recalls-435000-models/&ved=2ahUKEwi2wfb9rZ_8AhVyP30KHd7SA7w4ChAWegQIDxAB&usg=AOvVaw0DG-wDqKudY1HzeUjjmFia
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://f150advisor.com/ford-f150-rust-recall/&ved=2ahUKEwjyoqrIrZ_8AhV0MX0KHZ_pDF4QtwJ6BAgiEAE&usg=AOvVaw1QK9BREJ_JE1uGjWRNrTNF
How much time did you spend on Tacomaworld to understand how lame Tacomas are?
Post by: Skillet on December 29, 2022, 10:43:35 AM
You're not accomplishing what you think you are, @thinkingman.
At this point, you're basically ruining every toyota-related thread just to make yourself feel better. Pretty rude, IMHO.
:twocents:
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2022, 11:13:06 AM
I feel bad for the OP, and anybody else who wants to participate in nearly any conversation relating to Toyotas. OP was just looking for a conversation about option packages, yet @thinkingman and others rang the doorbell and delivered yet another flaming bag on this thread's porch.
You're not accomplishing what you think you are, @thinkingman.
At this point, you're basically ruining every toyota-related thread just to make yourself feel better. Pretty rude, IMHO.
:twocents:
Given 7 pages, that happens with almost anything. I think the OP got some good opinions/experiences too.
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2022, 11:23:07 AM
I feel bad for the OP, and anybody else who wants to participate in nearly any conversation relating to Toyotas. OP was just looking for a conversation about option packages, yet @thinkingman and others rang the doorbell and delivered yet another flaming bag on this thread's porch.Yes...I have some regret for hijacking the post but then I imagine how bad would I feel if the fanbois laid it on with how amazing Toyota cars are and the OP spend $44000 to find out the reality is far different?
You're not accomplishing what you think you are, @thinkingman.
At this point, you're basically ruining every toyota-related thread just to make yourself feel better. Pretty rude, IMHO.
:twocents:
I find talking about Toyota trucks is like arguing with Libs on a CNN thread....They're all so righteous in spite of the facts.
I'll send the OP a PM with some factual data regarding other vehicles to purchase.
Post by: Tenkara on December 29, 2022, 11:45:14 AM
Post by: MADMAX on December 29, 2022, 12:10:39 PM
1 2017-4runner -wife’s- great vehicle
Oil changes on all and some driving lights
1- 2013 Tacoma-4 door short box, went everywhere
Towed a small 19ft rv and 18ft Duckworth boat
Only issue- gas tank size traded in on
1- 2020 Tundra 4 door short box
No issues
I’m happy with them all
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 29, 2022, 12:36:21 PM
Post by: Fidelk on December 29, 2022, 02:11:55 PM
I feel bad for the OP, and anybody else who wants to participate in nearly any conversation relating to Toyotas. OP was just looking for a conversation about option packages, yet @thinkingman and others rang the doorbell and delivered yet another flaming bag on this thread's porch.Yes...I have some regret for hijacking the post but then I imagine how bad would I feel if the fanbois laid it on with how amazing Toyota cars are and the OP spend $44000 to find out the reality is far different?
You're not accomplishing what you think you are, @thinkingman.
At this point, you're basically ruining every toyota-related thread just to make yourself feel better. Pretty rude, IMHO.
:twocents:
I find talking about Toyota trucks is like arguing with Libs on a CNN thread....They're all so righteous in spite of the facts.
I'll send the OP a PM with some factual data regarding other vehicles to purchase.
Passion, loyalty and commitment.......this thread is cool and informative. I'm taking notes before heading to the "stealership".....fun stuff.
Post by: snake on December 29, 2022, 03:52:57 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 29, 2022, 04:21:22 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on December 29, 2022, 04:40:31 PM
Personally I wouldn't waste money on a new Tacoma until the next gen model comes out with a motor with some power. I had a 2017 with the 3.5 and hated it. Got rid of it after a few months. It has more peak power than the 4.0, but less usable power down low. Should have just put the 4Runner's 4.0 in it and called it good.
The new model is supposed to have a turbo 2.7, I would just stick with the 4.0 2nd gen and drive it to 500k