Post by: Machias on January 05, 2023, 12:20:43 PM
Nonresident "regular" deer tags sold out for 2023, but 1,500 nonresident white-tailed deer-only tags will go on sale on January 12, at 10 a.m. MST.
A limited number of tags will be available for each hunting unit.
Hunters planning to buy a tag online should follow the instructions in the press release below.
We recognize that many hunters experienced frustration during the December 1 nonresident deer and elk tag sale. Staff has been working diligently to improve the online sales system and expect this sale to be more timely and efficient.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 05, 2023, 06:29:10 PM
Post by: actionshooter on January 05, 2023, 06:32:57 PM
Only one tag can be bought for each log in, so with limited tags per unit, your partners may not get a tag for the unit you all plan to hunt in. Man, I went from loving Idaho to hating it! How are you supposed to plan a hunt?!!
Exactly.... it bothers me big time that parents can't even plan a trip with the kids....
Post by: trophyhunt on January 05, 2023, 06:36:08 PM
Post by: highside74 on January 05, 2023, 06:44:26 PM
Only one tag can be bought for each log in, so with limited tags per unit, your partners may not get a tag for the unit you all plan to hunt in. Man, I went from loving Idaho to hating it! How are you supposed to plan a hunt?!!
Exactly.... it bothers me big time that parents can't even plan a trip with the kids....
If you get a tag you can buy a youth tag even if the 1500 tags are sold out. Youth tags don't count towards any limited tags.
Post by: outdooraddict on January 06, 2023, 10:57:07 AM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/tag/quotas/nonresident/wtd
Post by: trophyhunt on January 06, 2023, 12:14:54 PM
Post by: Ryan P on January 06, 2023, 02:24:53 PM
Bad enough the rifle season is 5-6 weeks long, then add that almost all WT tags are any deer. Increase NR tag counts. No cap on resident tags. Add wolves. Stir in some CWD and if I didn't know any better I'd think that IDFG has an ax to grind with whitetails.
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 06, 2023, 02:35:57 PM
The only thing new is selling out general tags in one day.
Plenty of tags becoming available. If you want one go online or call on the 12th... :dunno: seems straight forward
And we saw more whitetails this last season in 5 days than the previous two years combined....
Post by: Ryan P on January 06, 2023, 02:44:38 PM
They didn't just sell out of general tags they sold almost every tag for mule deer, whitetail and elk in the 1st day. Then they added an ADDITIONAL 1500 tags because I guess they felt bad...
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 06, 2023, 03:01:14 PM
They've always had a reserve of whitetail only tags.
Been in the que since Dec 1. They just hadn't decided how to divy them up yet because they had no idea all the general ( mule deer, any deer, whitetail only) would sell out so quickly....
And they used to be State wide. The unit specific has only been the last couple years.
Man I wish it was 1998 again...there was no pressure and plenty of extra tags... :chuckle:
Post by: vandeman17 on January 06, 2023, 03:11:59 PM
Post by: Ryan P on January 06, 2023, 03:15:02 PM
Post by: idaho guy on January 06, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
They didn't add any.
They've always had a reserve of whitetail only tags.
Been in the que since Dec 1. They just hadn't decided how to divy them up yet because they had no idea all the general ( mule deer, any deer, whitetail only) would sell out so quickly....
And they used to be State wide. The unit specific has only been the last couple years.
Man I wish it was 1998 again...there was no pressure and plenty of extra tags... :chuckle:
:yeah: worth repeating, i guess, whitetail only are NOT new. Unit specific was introduced a few years ago to spread out non resident pressure and crowding. (the bigger problem is new resident pressure -as in tons of new residents that just moved here recently) the unit numbers are based on 10 percent of the prior hunters in the unit. The unit numbers are not based on deer population within the unit. This is a first stab by idfg to limit pressure and crowding during hunting seasons. I think it was appropriate that they tried to spread out non resident pressure first but they will eventually have to deal with the crowding due to new people recently moving here.
Post by: outdooraddict on January 06, 2023, 03:40:04 PM
Post by: idaho guy on January 06, 2023, 04:08:10 PM
and second tags are all at non resident prices if i understand correctly, thats the case for residents too. I also believe they didnt magically find 1500 surplus tags, they are the same 1500 they always had in surplus and they decided how to divide them between units. what i do find interesting is that they say 1500 tags, but after dividing into the unit, only 771 are actually available. so what happened to the other 729 tags?
I think the same thing happened last year not enough quota in each unit so the excess tags were still available to residents at the non res price. Residents can use them anywhere(not unit specific) so they were still available and sold. I thought they would adjust it this year but kinda glad they didn't :chuckle: I never did any real research but that is what I think has happened and we had similar situation last year.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 06, 2023, 05:58:24 PM
Idaho has always had a separate stash of 1500 +- whitetail only tags....it's nothing new. You used to be able to buy them at your leisure then they started holding them till general sold out...did you see outdooraddicts link? There isn’t 1,500 tags, and only certain units have tags which are very limited. Plus some are already sold out, like 10a. So no, it’s not as easy as signing on and buying tags.
The only thing new is selling out general tags in one day.
Plenty of tags becoming available. If you want one go online or call on the 12th... :dunno: seems straight forward
And we saw more whitetails this last season in 5 days than the previous two years combined....
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 06, 2023, 06:13:47 PM
Idaho has always had a separate stash of 1500 +- whitetail only tags....it's nothing new. You used to be able to buy them at your leisure then they started holding them till general sold out...did you see outdooraddicts link? There isn’t 1,500 tags, and only certain units have tags which are very limited. Plus some are already sold out, like 10a. So no, it’s not as easy as signing on and buying tags.
The only thing new is selling out general tags in one day.
Plenty of tags becoming available. If you want one go online or call on the 12th... :dunno: seems straight forward
And we saw more whitetails this last season in 5 days than the previous two years combined....
Ya I saw the link
Idaho doesn't guarantee 1500 extra tags. They give what harvest stats and pressure allow them to give.
Sold out? 10a is a train wreck...you couldn't pay me to hunt there...
, Reserve whitetail tags aren't even available yet. Sold out means general tags for that unit are sold out and no reserve whitetail tags are available.
Pick a unit with a bunch of reserve tags listed and go hunting....learn a new area and have fun...or just complain about it and don't.... :chuckle:
See. I have no sympathy for you because you keep drawing moose tags..so.... :chuckle:
Post by: Shooter4 on January 06, 2023, 06:33:04 PM
Idaho has always had a separate stash of 1500 +- whitetail only tags....it's nothing new. You used to be able to buy them at your leisure then they started holding them till general sold out...
The only thing new is selling out general tags in one day.
Plenty of tags becoming available. If you want one go online or call on the 12th... :dunno: seems straight forward
And we saw more whitetails this last season in 5 days than the previous two years combined....
Panhandle unit?
Post by: trophyhunt on January 06, 2023, 06:53:26 PM
lol, sheep tag this year!! My gripe is, I can’t rely on planning a hunt with my son in law or buddies, can’t be sure we get tags. If you have an area that is good for late whitetail and has plenty of tags, PM me and I’ll talk to shanequa about getting you a moose tag!! 😁Idaho has always had a separate stash of 1500 +- whitetail only tags....it's nothing new. You used to be able to buy them at your leisure then they started holding them till general sold out...did you see outdooraddicts link? There isn’t 1,500 tags, and only certain units have tags which are very limited. Plus some are already sold out, like 10a. So no, it’s not as easy as signing on and buying tags.
The only thing new is selling out general tags in one day.
Plenty of tags becoming available. If you want one go online or call on the 12th... :dunno: seems straight forward
And we saw more whitetails this last season in 5 days than the previous two years combined....
Ya I saw the link
Idaho doesn't guarantee 1500 extra tags. They give what harvest stats and pressure allow them to give.
Sold out? 10a is a train wreck...you couldn't pay me to hunt there...
, Reserve whitetail tags aren't even available yet. Sold out means general tags for that unit are sold out and no reserve whitetail tags are available.
Pick a unit with a bunch of reserve tags listed and go hunting....learn a new area and have fun...or just complain about it and don't.... :chuckle:
See. I have no sympathy for you because you keep drawing moose tags..so.... :chuckle:
Post by: Limhangerslayer on January 06, 2023, 07:25:50 PM
They didn't add any.how about when your second tag only cost you 186 bucks!! Those were the good ole days!
They've always had a reserve of whitetail only tags.
Been in the que since Dec 1. They just hadn't decided how to divy them up yet because they had no idea all the general ( mule deer, any deer, whitetail only) would sell out so quickly....
And they used to be State wide. The unit specific has only been the last couple years.
Man I wish it was 1998 again...there was no pressure and plenty of extra tags... :chuckle:
Post by: SpicyTacos on January 06, 2023, 08:01:40 PM
Does Idaho offer elk tag surplus :chuckle: or that hunters give back which in turn nonresidents can purchase?
Post by: dilleytech on January 07, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 07, 2023, 02:21:12 PM
I know of several people who bought tags early last year for Idaho who did not even hunt in Idaho because they drew other tags or had other situations that prevented them from hunting. If everyone just said no to buying the junk tags there would be no issue getting tags in Idaho.
I guarantee there will be lots of disappointed hunters come November this year after they travel to Idaho to hunt the tags they got. Most units in Idaho and Montana are not worth the price to hunt them if you are a nonresident.
Post by: High Climber on January 07, 2023, 03:34:40 PM
The only thing Idaho has changed is making you choose a deer unit. The reason it is so hard to get a tag is because hunters changed their approach. No one used to buy an Idaho non resident tag until later in the year. If you want it to go back to the good old days stop lining up when the tags go on sale.Lots of truth in this :yeah:
I know of several people who bought tags early last year for Idaho who did not even hunt in Idaho because they drew other tags or had other situations that prevented them from hunting. If everyone just said no to buying the junk tags there would be no issue getting tags in Idaho.
I guarantee there will be lots of disappointed hunters come November this year after they travel to Idaho to hunt the tags they got. Most units in Idaho and Montana are not worth the price to hunt them if you are a nonresident.
Post by: meatwhack on January 07, 2023, 05:19:02 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 08, 2023, 10:15:38 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 08, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 08, 2023, 11:40:39 AM
I would think so, I won’t be in the mess, just not worth the risk of one of us not getting a tag for the same area. Not playing raindeer games anymore.
Ya my issue/concern is that I wouldn't be able to get a tag for both my old man and myself in the same unit before they sold out.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 08, 2023, 12:37:30 PM
exactly, and if you look at the number of tags in each unit, seems even tougher.I would think so, I won’t be in the mess, just not worth the risk of one of us not getting a tag for the same area. Not playing raindeer games anymore.
Ya my issue/concern is that I wouldn't be able to get a tag for both my old man and myself in the same unit before they sold out.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on January 08, 2023, 08:37:19 PM
do you guys think these wt tags will sell out with a few minutes given there are only 700 and something?No, the demand for whitetail deer is not nearly as extreme as mule deer and elk. I would guess there will be tags available still at 5 pm MT. That has been my experience in the august return tag sales anyway. Heck you could still buy a 2nd elk tag in November this past year.
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Post by: vandeman17 on January 12, 2023, 08:40:17 AM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 12, 2023, 09:02:18 AM
Post by: 2MANY on January 12, 2023, 09:02:25 AM
No clue, but good luck.
I hope you get a tag.
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 12, 2023, 09:07:45 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 12, 2023, 09:16:14 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 12, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
I guess I read it all wrong and thought I could still buy a tag but it looks like I couldn't but my old man could since he doesn't have a general tag yet which I do. I ended up not buying anything. Oh well
So you where trying to buy it as a second tag?
Everyone I know that logged in this morning got tags...but they missed the general tag sale.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 12, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
I guess I read it all wrong and thought I could still buy a tag but it looks like I couldn't but my old man could since he doesn't have a general tag yet which I do. I ended up not buying anything. Oh well
So you where trying to buy it as a second tag?
Everyone I know that logged in this morning got tags...but they missed the general tag sale.
Yes I thought I read/heard you could purchase as a second tag. I was incorrect
Post by: duckman18 on January 12, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on January 12, 2023, 10:15:47 AM
The legal limit for NR tags is over the sum of the units. Every year on August 1st there's this lovely little special pot of NR elk tags that were never actually offered to NR, but are available exclusively as 2nd elk tags for residents. Last several years I've bought a second elk tag at the NR price (old price, $416) in mid Sept.
Residents were complaining, so I credit IDFG with listening, but the truth is 10 years ago they sold more NR tags AND the resident population was smaller. Now the resident population is larger and they're actually selling fewer NR tags because they're not hitting their NR max numbers due to the zone-based 10-15% approach they've taken.
I do expect this secret pot of NR tags to erode when they reevaluate their deer and elk zones to find that more residents means more resident hunters and that 10-15% figure will increase NR tags per zone. But until then, I'll rest easy knowing I have a 2nd permit always available to me until mid season.
Sidenote: I don't really understand how idaho whitetail tags, or general tags in whitetail prominent areas, are still so popular. Its the only game animal found in nearly every state in the country and while Idaho has some big ones, they're IMO not any better than other states. Maybe I'm the one missing the point.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 12, 2023, 10:26:49 AM
The fun part about this that has kind of been uncovered is that the sum of the units allocations doesn't reach the total allocation, at least for elk.
The legal limit for NR tags is over the sum of the units. Every year on August 1st there's this lovely little special pot of NR elk tags that were never actually offered to NR, but are available exclusively as 2nd elk tags for residents. Last several years I've bought a second elk tag at the NR price (old price, $416) in mid Sept.
Residents were complaining, so I credit IDFG with listening, but the truth is 10 years ago they sold more NR tags AND the resident population was smaller. Now the resident population is larger and they're actually selling fewer NR tags because they're not hitting their NR max numbers due to the zone-based 10-15% approach they've taken.
I do expect this secret pot of NR tags to erode when they reevaluate their deer and elk zones to find that more residents means more resident hunters and that 10-15% figure will increase NR tags per zone. But until then, I'll rest easy knowing I have a 2nd permit always available to me until mid season.
Sidenote: I don't really understand how idaho whitetail tags, or general tags in whitetail prominent areas, are still so popular. Its the only game animal found in nearly every state in the country and while Idaho has some big ones, they're IMO not any better than other states. Maybe I'm the one missing the point.
In WA, you can't hunt whitetails, for the most part, during their rut with a rifle without a special permit. Other states have tags to hunt them with a rifle during the rut on general season. :twocents:
Post by: dilleytech on January 12, 2023, 10:32:19 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on January 12, 2023, 10:56:05 AM
The fun part about this that has kind of been uncovered is that the sum of the units allocations doesn't reach the total allocation, at least for elk.
The legal limit for NR tags is over the sum of the units. Every year on August 1st there's this lovely little special pot of NR elk tags that were never actually offered to NR, but are available exclusively as 2nd elk tags for residents. Last several years I've bought a second elk tag at the NR price (old price, $416) in mid Sept.
Residents were complaining, so I credit IDFG with listening, but the truth is 10 years ago they sold more NR tags AND the resident population was smaller. Now the resident population is larger and they're actually selling fewer NR tags because they're not hitting their NR max numbers due to the zone-based 10-15% approach they've taken.
I do expect this secret pot of NR tags to erode when they reevaluate their deer and elk zones to find that more residents means more resident hunters and that 10-15% figure will increase NR tags per zone. But until then, I'll rest easy knowing I have a 2nd permit always available to me until mid season.
Sidenote: I don't really understand how idaho whitetail tags, or general tags in whitetail prominent areas, are still so popular. Its the only game animal found in nearly every state in the country and while Idaho has some big ones, they're IMO not any better than other states. Maybe I'm the one missing the point.
In WA, you can't hunt whitetails, for the most part, during their rut with a rifle without a special permit. Other states have tags to hunt them with a rifle during the rut on general season. :twocents:
Fair point!
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 12, 2023, 04:42:46 PM
Post by: idaho guy on February 12, 2023, 08:50:05 PM
The fun part about this that has kind of been uncovered is that the sum of the units allocations doesn't reach the total allocation, at least for elk.
The legal limit for NR tags is over the sum of the units. Every year on August 1st there's this lovely little special pot of NR elk tags that were never actually offered to NR, but are available exclusively as 2nd elk tags for residents. Last several years I've bought a second elk tag at the NR price (old price, $416) in mid Sept.
Residents were complaining, so I credit IDFG with listening, but the truth is 10 years ago they sold more NR tags AND the resident population was smaller. Now the resident population is larger and they're actually selling fewer NR tags because they're not hitting their NR max numbers due to the zone-based 10-15% approach they've taken.
I do expect this secret pot of NR tags to erode when they reevaluate their deer and elk zones to find that more residents means more resident hunters and that 10-15% figure will increase NR tags per zone. But until then, I'll rest easy knowing I have a 2nd permit always available to me until mid season.
Sidenote: I don't really understand how idaho whitetail tags, or general tags in whitetail prominent areas, are still so popular. Its the only game animal found in nearly every state in the country and while Idaho has some big ones, they're IMO not any better than other states. Maybe I'm the one missing the point.
In WA, you can't hunt whitetails, for the most part, during their rut with a rifle without a special permit. Other states have tags to hunt them with a rifle during the rut on general season. :twocents:
Fair point!
It’s is a fair point and I love hunting whitetail in the rut in Idaho. The downside is it has led to a lot less older age class bucks. In my opinion after they extended rifle season to include both October and November the numbers of large bucks declined quite a bit. I love hunting whitetail in the panhandle but the opportunity to rifle hunt for 2 months and during the entire rut has resulted in less mature bucks. I agree with stang on this one. I am surprised by the excitement to grab idaho whitetail tags with the extra cost and travel etc. I actually see a lot more large whitetail in other states. It’s a fun hunt in Idaho and you can still get nice bucks and occasionally a great one but it’s definitely not a great whitetail state. The best whitetail archery hunter I know ,that lives in Idaho ,loves to hunt Washington 😂 he said it’s because Washington DOES NOT
have a rifle rut hunt so he finds more mature bucks during archery.
Post by: vandeman17 on February 13, 2023, 09:28:33 AM
The fun part about this that has kind of been uncovered is that the sum of the units allocations doesn't reach the total allocation, at least for elk.
The legal limit for NR tags is over the sum of the units. Every year on August 1st there's this lovely little special pot of NR elk tags that were never actually offered to NR, but are available exclusively as 2nd elk tags for residents. Last several years I've bought a second elk tag at the NR price (old price, $416) in mid Sept.
Residents were complaining, so I credit IDFG with listening, but the truth is 10 years ago they sold more NR tags AND the resident population was smaller. Now the resident population is larger and they're actually selling fewer NR tags because they're not hitting their NR max numbers due to the zone-based 10-15% approach they've taken.
I do expect this secret pot of NR tags to erode when they reevaluate their deer and elk zones to find that more residents means more resident hunters and that 10-15% figure will increase NR tags per zone. But until then, I'll rest easy knowing I have a 2nd permit always available to me until mid season.
Sidenote: I don't really understand how idaho whitetail tags, or general tags in whitetail prominent areas, are still so popular. Its the only game animal found in nearly every state in the country and while Idaho has some big ones, they're IMO not any better than other states. Maybe I'm the one missing the point.
In WA, you can't hunt whitetails, for the most part, during their rut with a rifle without a special permit. Other states have tags to hunt them with a rifle during the rut on general season. :twocents:
Fair point!
It’s is a fair point and I love hunting whitetail in the rut in Idaho. The downside is it has led to a lot less older age class bucks. In my opinion after they extended rifle season to include both October and November the numbers of large bucks declined quite a bit. I love hunting whitetail in the panhandle but the opportunity to rifle hunt for 2 months and during the entire rut has resulted in less mature bucks. I agree with stang on this one. I am surprised by the excitement to grab idaho whitetail tags with the extra cost and travel etc. I actually see a lot more large whitetail in other states. It’s a fun hunt in Idaho and you can still get nice bucks and occasionally a great one but it’s definitely not a great whitetail state. The best whitetail archery hunter I know ,that lives in Idaho ,loves to hunt Washington 😂 he said it’s because Washington DOES NOT
have a rifle rut hunt so he finds more mature bucks during archery.
This is also very accurate. One of those "be careful what you wish for" scenarios