Post by: vandeman17 on March 01, 2023, 02:15:25 PM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 01, 2023, 02:29:39 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 01, 2023, 02:48:29 PM
If I remember correctly, last year’s odds were 100% for 3 and 2 points. 17% for 1 point. And 52% with 0. For the deer combo anyway. Roll the dice!
Yes exactly. Just curious if it will follow the same trend for 2023
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 01, 2023, 02:57:13 PM
If I had to guess, chances of drawing will go down across the board, per the trend over the last few years. I don’t see draw odds for anything getting any better for any tags.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 01, 2023, 03:00:23 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on March 01, 2023, 03:00:47 PM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 01, 2023, 03:04:27 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on March 01, 2023, 03:08:58 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 01, 2023, 03:11:05 PM
Post by: go4steelhd on March 01, 2023, 03:32:54 PM
General Combination licenses are issued through a random computer drawing. The deer and elk licenses issued as part of a Combination license are valid throughout the state under the general hunting regulations.
Refer to the regulations for specific hunting district details.
Fees & Quotas:
General Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $1,208
Quota: 17,000
General Elk Combo: $1018
Quota: 17,000
General Deer Combo: $704
Quota: 4,600
That's roughly $40 million per year. I don't think they will be cutting tags anytime soon :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on March 01, 2023, 05:01:19 PM
I just have to go twice now to cut the cost per trip in half. Seems pretty reasonable if you justify it creatively.
Post by: 3nails on March 01, 2023, 05:48:04 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 01, 2023, 07:36:21 PM
I don’t think the price went up
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Post by: Mulie87 on March 01, 2023, 07:50:01 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 01, 2023, 07:57:44 PM
Anyone know if Montana averages points if a group has mixed amounts?They do average, and if the average is not a round number they round up I believe
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Post by: pickardjw on March 01, 2023, 08:13:23 PM
Anyone know if Montana averages points if a group has mixed amounts?They do average, and if the average is not a round number they round up I believe
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Montana, "considers the average number of points between all of the party members and then rounds to the nearest whole number for a final party permit total. For example, a party with an average of 2.33 points would enter the draw at two points while a party with 2.66 points would enter at three."
Post by: Wingin it on March 01, 2023, 08:29:35 PM
Post by: Stein on March 01, 2023, 08:48:23 PM
They are oversold by a substantial margin. My best guess is that the "best" price for MT is well north of $1,200. That's $100 a month, well within the budget of tons of people more than willing to pay the price. Sad for those that can't or won't for sure, but when we're talking about out of state hunting, you really need to put it in the same bucket as comparable stuff like Disney World, a cruise, major sporting events, etc.
Post by: rem700300 on March 01, 2023, 09:12:28 PM
Anyone know if Montana averages points if a group has mixed amounts?Montana does take an average of the group.If 3 guys put in together with let’s say 5 preference points their average would be 1.6. They do not round up or down.You would go in the draw with 1.6. Last year 73% of applicants with 0 points drew,0% of applicants with 1 point drew and 97% of applicants with 2 points drew.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 01, 2023, 09:14:56 PM
:yeah:Anyone know if Montana averages points if a group has mixed amounts?Montana does take an average of the group.If 3 guys put in together with let’s say 5 preference points their average would be 1.6. They do not round up or down.You would go in the draw with 1.6. Last year 73% of applicants with 0 points drew,0% of applicants with 1 point drew and 97% of applicants with 2 points drew.
Preference points are not rounded, actual average is used. Bonus points are rounded to the nearest whole point.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 02, 2023, 08:08:18 AM
Anyone know if Montana averages points if a group has mixed amounts?Montana does take an average of the group.If 3 guys put in together with let’s say 5 preference points their average would be 1.6. They do not round up or down.You would go in the draw with 1.6. Last year 73% of applicants with 0 points drew,0% of applicants with 1 point drew and 97% of applicants with 2 points drew.
Correct.
I just looked at gohunt odds and for non resident deer combo they show 74% with 0 points, 0% with 1 point, 97% with 2 and 100% with 3
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 02, 2023, 08:19:05 AM
Post by: pickardjw on March 02, 2023, 08:23:46 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 02, 2023, 08:24:14 AM
Buddy bought the bonus preference point last year - I said you just eliminated yourself! Heh yep.
If you aren't planning on hunting it this year, it would make sense to buy the point and then again when you apply next year. Other than that, if you want to hunt this year and have zero points, it doesn't appear to be a wise move to purchase a point AND apply
Post by: ganghis on March 02, 2023, 08:42:54 AM
Post by: pickardjw on March 02, 2023, 10:35:57 AM
(7) Up to five applicants may apply as a party under this section. The department shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine their priority in receiving licenses issued pursuant to subsection (5). The department shall use any fraction that results from the calculation of an average when determining that priority calculate the average rounded to the third decimal place."
So I'm not sure why anyone would apply as a group if one person has less than 1pt going forward. That would really put your group in no man's land.
Post by: 3nails on March 02, 2023, 01:45:27 PM
Montana FWP emailed me back real quick about pref point averaging and rounding. It's codified in Montana HB 637, not mentioned in the regs.Is the general draw preference points or bonus points?
(7) Up to five applicants may apply as a party under this section. The department shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine their priority in receiving licenses issued pursuant to subsection (5). The department shall use any fraction that results from the calculation of an average when determining that priority calculate the average rounded to the third decimal place."
So I'm not sure why anyone would apply as a group if one person has less than 2pts going forward. That would really put your group in no man's land.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 02, 2023, 02:03:09 PM
Montana FWP emailed me back real quick about pref point averaging and rounding. It's codified in Montana HB 637, not mentioned in the regs.Is the general draw preference points or bonus points?
(7) Up to five applicants may apply as a party under this section. The department shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine their priority in receiving licenses issued pursuant to subsection (5). The department shall use any fraction that results from the calculation of an average when determining that priority calculate the average rounded to the third decimal place."
So I'm not sure why anyone would apply as a group if one person has less than 2pts going forward. That would really put your group in no man's land.
preference
Post by: 3nails on March 02, 2023, 03:33:49 PM
I've only been hunting Montana for 28 years. Still don't know the difference. :chuckle:Montana FWP emailed me back real quick about pref point averaging and rounding. It's codified in Montana HB 637, not mentioned in the regs.Is the general draw preference points or bonus points?
(7) Up to five applicants may apply as a party under this section. The department shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine their priority in receiving licenses issued pursuant to subsection (5). The department shall use any fraction that results from the calculation of an average when determining that priority calculate the average rounded to the third decimal place."
So I'm not sure why anyone would apply as a group if one person has less than 2pts going forward. That would really put your group in no man's land.
preference
Post by: Stein on March 02, 2023, 05:57:07 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 02, 2023, 06:34:58 PM
Preference points - general permit hunts
Makes sense to separate them to me.
Bonus point systems = you get bonus entries into the random draw
Preference point systems = higher point holders get preference.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 02, 2023, 07:05:19 PM
So I'm not sure why anyone would apply as a group if one person has less than1pt2pt going forward. That would really put your group in no man's land.
Fixed.... You want zero or 2.0 or greater.
Post by: Dirtnap on March 02, 2023, 09:38:28 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on March 03, 2023, 08:46:05 AM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on March 08, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Post by: Stein on March 08, 2023, 02:58:18 PM
Post by: bustedoldman on March 08, 2023, 03:44:38 PM
Post by: idaho guy on March 08, 2023, 04:30:42 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 08, 2023, 04:30:51 PM
Post by: idaho guy on March 08, 2023, 04:33:55 PM
I hope it's not a repeat of the Idaho Cluster :bash: :bash: :bash:
Idaho was a cluster? 😂😂😂
Post by: Stein on March 08, 2023, 05:17:26 PM
It seems like more hunters are potentially dropping out of Montana this year? Be interested in who is skipping Montana that would normally apply. Montana is still good hunting but Mule deer are down significantly in some areas as well. With odds so well published I think zero points could be a much bigger gamble than last year. At least with buying a point you would be close to 100 percent every other year.
Don't forget the good news about WA being a better elk state. :chuckle:
I would be surprised to see fewer trucks but you never know.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on March 08, 2023, 05:30:35 PM
Yeah, we'll be going. Still a pretty good value in my opinion.
:yeah:
Post by: jstone on March 08, 2023, 05:31:21 PM
Post by: Stein on March 08, 2023, 05:36:35 PM
Yeah, we'll be going. Still a pretty good value in my opinion.
:yeah:
My bro just told me Big Sky is up to $250 a day and you stand in line all day.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on March 08, 2023, 05:42:07 PM
Yeah, we'll be going. Still a pretty good value in my opinion.
:yeah:
What is big sky?
My bro just told me Big Sky is up to $250 a day and you stand in line all day.
Post by: idaho guy on March 08, 2023, 06:03:05 PM
Yeah, we'll be going. Still a pretty good value in my opinion.
:yeah:
My bro just told me Big Sky is up to $250 a day and you stand in line all day.
Wow. From that perspective deer and elk tags are a value! Lol that seems ridiculous but puts things in perspective
Post by: actionshooter on March 08, 2023, 07:20:49 PM
I really want to draw the combo this year and I have 2 points right now.... should I buy the point?
Post by: MADMAX on March 08, 2023, 07:54:50 PM
So my head is spinning a little and it's not just the Weller.. :chuckle:Yes
I really want to draw the combo this year and I have 2 points right now.... should I buy the point?
Post by: pickardjw on March 08, 2023, 08:41:44 PM
So my head is spinning a little and it's not just the Weller.. :chuckle:
I really want to draw the combo this year and I have 2 points right now.... should I buy the point?
97% draw odds with 2pts per GoHunt.
100% with 3pts
Post by: kramman on March 09, 2023, 09:35:44 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2023, 10:39:31 PM
I'm out for this yr. But how long do you have to buy a point for next yr?
Bonus points July 1 to September 30
Preference points July 1 to December 31
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 09, 2023, 11:02:42 PM
I hope it's not a repeat of the Idaho Cluster :bash: :bash: :bash:
Idaho was a cluster? 😂😂😂
Not if you are a Res! Heh
Son was #1800 out of #30,000+ applicants and couldn’t get a tag so yea cluster for non-res.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 10, 2023, 10:13:18 AM
You mean he didn’t get the specific tag he wanted not that he couldn’t get a tag.I hope it's not a repeat of the Idaho Cluster :bash: :bash: :bash:
Idaho was a cluster?
Not if you are a Res! Heh
Son was #1800 out of #30,000+ applicants and couldn’t get a tag so yea cluster for non-res.
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Post by: Ryans71 on March 10, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
I just looked at gohunt odds and for non resident deer combo they show 74% with 0 points, 0% with 1 point, 97% with 2 and 100% with 3
I'm not a math whiz......why are the odds 0% for 1 point?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 10, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
75% of tags go to the points pool. 25% go to the zero point pool. All the 75% quota went to 2 and 3 point holders leaving 0 tags for 1pt holders. The zero point guys still had that allocated 25% to pull from.
I just looked at gohunt odds and for non resident deer combo they show 74% with 0 points, 0% with 1 point, 97% with 2 and 100% with 3
I'm not a math whiz......but why are the odds 0% for 1 point?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 10, 2023, 11:48:43 AM
:yeah: I was like number 33k and there were lots of tags still available. Some good ones too.You mean he didn’t get the specific tag he wanted not that he couldn’t get a tag.I hope it's not a repeat of the Idaho Cluster :bash: :bash: :bash:
Idaho was a cluster?
Not if you are a Res! Heh
Son was #1800 out of #30,000+ applicants and couldn’t get a tag so yea cluster for non-res.
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Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 10, 2023, 12:37:36 PM
I just looked at gohunt odds and for non resident deer combo they show 74% with 0 points, 0% with 1 point, 97% with 2 and 100% with 3
I'm not a math whiz......why are the odds 0% for 1 point?
These appear to be the odds for the non resident BIG GAME combo: 74% with 0 points, 0% with 1 point, 97% with 2 and 100% with 3
DEER COMBO is: 0- 54%, 1- 17%, 2- 100%, 3- 100%
Post by: bustedoldman on March 10, 2023, 12:57:09 PM
Post by: dvolmer on March 10, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Can anyone show the Antelope Odds?Antelope odds are a different story. All of the deer and elk tags that everyone is talking about on this thread are general tags. All antelope tags in Montana are limited entry or region specific. there are no general antelope tags in Montana. So odds are different for every unit and region in the state. They are all issued (I think) with a bonus point system where all of the general tags are issued on a preference point system I do believe. Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong on the specific point nomenclature.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on March 10, 2023, 04:38:10 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on March 10, 2023, 05:18:21 PM
If I bought a point in January and buy another point now am I going in with 2?If you bought a point in January you got scammed. They only sell points for those who didn’t apply from July to December 31st.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 10, 2023, 05:32:47 PM
:yeah: If it was prior to Dec 31 then yes you would go in with two.If I bought a point in January and buy another point now am I going in with 2?If you bought a point in January you got scammed. They only sell points for those who didn’t apply from July to December 31st.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on March 10, 2023, 05:36:24 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 10, 2023, 05:45:18 PM
So when applying this yr you don’t actually get a point correct?
You elect when applying if you want to buy a point or not
Post by: Duckslayer89 on March 10, 2023, 05:57:26 PM
If I bought a point in January and buy another point now am I going in with 2?If you bought a point in January you got scammed. They only sell points for those who didn’t apply from July to December 31st.
Maybe it was December
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 10, 2023, 07:59:35 PM
So when applying this yr you don’t actually get a point correct?you buy your preference point at time of application it counts towards the draw.
Post by: actionshooter on March 10, 2023, 08:36:08 PM
Post by: jstone on March 12, 2023, 08:18:19 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 12, 2023, 08:39:35 PM
Can I just buy points now?no
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 12, 2023, 08:40:40 PM
General Deer Combination
General Elk Combination
General Big Game (Deer & Elk) Combination
Other individualized combination opportunities include:
Landowner Sponsored Deer License
Come Home to Hunt License
Nonresident Native License
Youth Combination License
Nonresident Student Hunters
All combination licenses include a season fishing license and upland bird license. Conservation license, base hunting license fee, and Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Pass (AISPP) must be purchased separately.
An applicant may apply for only one Combination license. Nonresident hunters can increase their likelihood of drawing a Combination license by accumulating Preference Points (see below).
For more information, call 406-444-2950.
General Combination Licenses
General Combination licenses are issued through a random computer drawing. The deer and elk licenses issued as part of a Combination license are valid throughout the state under the general hunting regulations.
Refer to the regulations for specific hunting district details.
Fees & Quotas:
General Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $1,208
Quota: 17,000
General Elk Combo: $1018
Quota: 17,000
General Deer Combo: $704
Quota: 4,600
Landowner Sponsored Licenses
A Montana resident landowner may sponsor nonresidents for a Deer Combination license. The applicant must conduct all deer hunting on the deeded property of the landowner. It is the applicant’s responsibility to find an enrolled landowner.
Fees & Quotas:
Landowner Sponsored Deer Combo: $704
Quota: 2,000
Come Home to Hunt License
This law encourages nonresidents who once lived in Montana to "come home to hunt" with parents, siblings, and other close family members. The program is aimed at continuing Montana family traditions by making an effort to bring sons, daughters and family back home during hunting season at a substantially reduced price. The sponsoring adult family member must claim Montana as his or her legal residence and must have a valid Montana hunting license. The sponsor can be a parent, step-parent, grandparent, sibling, step-sibling, child, step-child, spouse, or in-law. The applicant must have completed a Montana hunter education course and have previously purchased a Montana resident hunting license.
Qualifying nonresidents 18 years of age or older need to apply for either a Deer, Elk or Big Game Combination license starting March 1 and the deadline is April 1. Come Home to Hunt licenses are issued on a first-come, first-served basis.
Nonresidents who are awarded a Come Home to Hunt license must hunt with a properly licensed adult family member.
Proceeds from the sale of Come Home to Hunt licenses are used by FWP to acquire public hunting access to inaccessible public land.
2023 Come Home to Hunt Required Additional Information (PDF)
Fees & Quotas:
Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $604
Quota: 500
Elk Combo: $509
Quota: 500
Deer Combo: $352
Quota: 500
Nonresident Native License
If you were born in Montana but now live out-of-state, had purchased hunting or fishing licenses as a resident, and have an immediate family member who is currently a resident, you may qualify for these Nonresident Native Hunting licenses at reduced prices. These combination licenses include a Base Hunting License, Conservation License, Aquatic Invasive Species, Fishing license, General Deer and/or Elk license, hunting of upland game bird, excluding turkey.
2023 Nonresident Native Required Additional Information (PDF)
Required additional information that must be submitted to complete your license.
Fees & Quotas:
Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $604
Quota: Unlimited
Elk Combo: $509
Quota: Unlimited
Deer Combo: $352
Quota: Unlimited
Nonresident Student Hunting License
If you are a nonresident college student currently carrying 12 credits or more at a Montana college or university, you can fish and hunt upland game birds, deer, and or elk (required prerequisites are Conservation license, AIS Prevention Pass, and Base Hunting License).
Licenses go on sale after the second Monday in September at all FWP regional offices and the Helena FWP headquarters.
Students must provide at the time of purchase:
Current enrollment verification form
Valid student identification
Proof of completing hunter education in Montana or elsewhere
Fees:
Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $604
Elk Combo: $509
Deer Combo: $352
Additional Opportunities
Successfully obtaining a Combination license is just the first step to a memorable Montana hunt. Hunters have a wide variety of options available to specialize their hunts: early archery hunts; late season migration hunts; remote backcountry areas; limited access areas with some true trophy animals; or even some additional licenses to add more meat to your freezer.
Archery
The Deer and Elk licenses issued as part of a nonresident Combination license are valid for both an early archery-only season and the general rifle season. To hunt during the archery season, hunters must purchase a $10 bow and arrow license after obtaining a hunting license. A certificate showing the completion of a Bowhunter Education course or a prior year’s archery license from any state is required to purchase the bow and arrow license.
Archery regulations in many districts may have changed and now require a special permit. Refer to the regulations for specific details.
Antelope, Deer B & Elk B
Antelope, antlerless Deer B licenses, and Elk B licenses are available through a secondary drawing and in some areas over-the-counter. A Conservation & base hunting license fee are required. Refer to the regulations for specific details. The application deadline is June 1.
Preference Points
Preference points prioritize a nonresident combination license applicant with more preference points over an applicant who holds fewer preference points.
Per state law, 25% of General Combination licenses are issued, via a random draw, to applicants who have not purchased preference points. The remaining 75% of General Combination licenses are issued to individuals who have purchased a preference point in order of points held. For example: a person with 3 points will receive a license before a person with 2 points receives a license.
Depending on how many applicants purchase preference points, the draw odds for applicants with zero preference points may be higher or lower than the draw odds for applicants who have purchased preference points. It is your responsibility as an applicant to review drawing statistics from prior years and make the best decision for your particular situation.
If you elect to purchase a Preference Point select “YES” on the preference point question. The additional $100 fee will be added to your total.
Accumulated preference points will be used during the current drawing whether you purchase an additional preference point or not. Any accumulated preference points are lost if the applicant does not apply for a nonresident combination license in consecutive years, or if you are successful at obtaining a combination license.
If you apply for a combination license and an elk permit, you will have the opportunity to select the 80% refund option. If you select that option and are successful in the combination license drawing but unsuccessful in the elk permit drawing, you will receive an 80% refund of your license fee. Additionally, the number of preference points you hold will be reset to 0.
Outfitter clients are eligible to purchase second preference point for an additional $100 at the time of application. Licenses issued using this point are only valid for hunting with an outfitter.
No one may hold more than 3 preference points.
Those who do not apply for a combination license may purchase one preference point for $100 over the counter from July 1 through December 31.
Parties
Up to 5 applicants may apply as a party. FWP shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine the party's preference points. FWP shall consider any fraction that result from the calculation of an average when determining that priority.
Post by: Gentrys on March 24, 2023, 12:59:52 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 24, 2023, 01:30:15 PM
Bonus points can continue to be purchased without applying for a combo license, correct?
Correct, July 1 - Sept 30
Post by: knighttime25 on March 24, 2023, 01:47:50 PM
Parties
Up to 5 applicants may apply as a party. FWP shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine the party's preference points. FWP shall consider any fraction that result from the calculation of an average when determining that priority.
Here's a question for the group, we are applying this year as a group of 5 applicants, we applied last year as well as a group of 4 and did not buy a preference point and did not draw. My uncle (5th in Party) bought a preference point last year on his own but wants to apply with our group this year. With 5 applicants and 1 total preference point, our group would be put in with an average of .2 preference points. Would this put us into the 75% pool based on the verbage above? :dunno:
Post by: Sakko300wsm on March 24, 2023, 01:52:10 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 24, 2023, 02:02:03 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 24, 2023, 02:16:25 PM
If he draws and y'all don't but he doesn't want to go hunt alone he can get an 80% refund. But he'll be back down to zero points next year.
Post by: knighttime25 on March 24, 2023, 02:37:54 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 24, 2023, 07:53:47 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 24, 2023, 08:11:53 PM
Post by: BigCutty3 on March 24, 2023, 08:47:29 PM
Post by: Twispriver on March 24, 2023, 09:59:42 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 24, 2023, 10:46:47 PM
Numbers are indeed down in the SE, which has led to my apprehension. :twocents:
Post by: dvolmer on March 25, 2023, 07:30:08 PM
We only hunted 5 days this past year, could you find anything over 160 class so ate our tags.Montana manages for opportunity and not for quality. Especially with their 5 week long during the rut seasons. If you are hunting public or Bock Management then a 150-160 buck is exceptional and few and far between. Now if you are limited entry or have special private access that is different. If you are looking for an above 160 average on public access you will be eating a lot of $800 deer tags.
Numbers are indeed down in the SE, which has led to my apprehension. :twocents:
Post by: nwhunter on March 25, 2023, 08:55:06 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 25, 2023, 10:45:54 PM
We only hunted 5 days this past year, could you find anything over 160 class so ate our tags.Montana manages for opportunity and not for quality. Especially with their 5 week long during the rut seasons. If you are hunting public or Bock Management then a 150-160 buck is exceptional and few and far between. Now if you are limited entry or have special private access that is different. If you are looking for an above 160 average on public access you will be eating a lot of $800 deer tags.
Numbers are indeed down in the SE, which has led to my apprehension. :twocents:
:tup: Won’t be the last time! ;)
Post by: go4steelhd on March 26, 2023, 06:41:29 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on March 28, 2023, 06:34:38 PM
Post by: hoytxl2009 on March 29, 2023, 06:17:36 AM
And there goes $1,449… why is there no sore butt emoji?
Definitely a tough one swallow, but what do you do? I have a separate credit card I manage all my applications on.
Post by: phildobaggins on March 29, 2023, 07:12:39 AM
Post by: grundy53 on March 29, 2023, 06:32:57 PM
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Post by: bugs n bones on March 29, 2023, 07:38:13 PM
Post by: elkrack on March 31, 2023, 03:07:11 PM
Good luck
Post by: huntandjeep on April 03, 2023, 07:39:12 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 03, 2023, 10:01:59 PM
Post by: M_ray on April 04, 2023, 06:25:36 AM
We only hunted 5 days this past year, could you find anything over 160 class so ate our tags.Montana manages for opportunity and not for quality. Especially with their 5 week long during the rut seasons. If you are hunting public or Bock Management then a 150-160 buck is exceptional and few and far between. Now if you are limited entry or have special private access that is different. If you are looking for an above 160 average on public access you will be eating a lot of $800 deer tags.
Numbers are indeed down in the SE, which has led to my apprehension. :twocents:
:tup: Won’t be the last time! ;)
Wasn’t the first time either ;)
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 04, 2023, 06:58:35 AM
Post by: Fishmaker57 on April 04, 2023, 08:10:21 AM
Post by: 3nails on April 04, 2023, 08:14:45 AM
Buddy lost his two points by missing last year then bought the point this yea so he has zero chance of drawing I let him know…. I called MT to see if he could cancel his point but no. You might get lucky she said - how? Well if not very many 2 and 3 pointers apply there could be some tags for 1 pointers. Really?If I read it correctly 17% of applicants with 1 point drew last year.
Post by: pickardjw on April 04, 2023, 08:22:07 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 04, 2023, 08:41:19 AM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 04, 2023, 09:22:25 AM
Not sure if it'll be this year or next but the one point thing will level off. You can't point build anymore with the new rule.
Let’s hope it’s this year!
Post by: 300rum on April 04, 2023, 09:39:11 AM
Not sure if it'll be this year or next but the one point thing will level off. You can't point build anymore with the new rule.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 04, 2023, 09:53:54 AM
Meaning that guys just can't buy the point and not put in for the tag, build points for a few years then cash them in on a "guaranteed" tag?correct. You can no longer go consecutive years without applying so best case a guy could buy a point in the fall (or buy a point when they apply in the spring) and then the following spring buy a point and apply in the spring and go in with 2pts.Not sure if it'll be this year or next but the one point thing will level off. You can't point build anymore with the new rule.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 04, 2023, 10:02:30 AM
Meaning that guys just can't buy the point and not put in for the tag, build points for a few years then cash them in on a "guaranteed" tag?correct. You can no longer go consecutive years without applying so best case a guy could buy a point in the fall (or buy a point when they apply in the spring) and then the following spring buy a point and apply in the spring and go in with 2pts.Not sure if it'll be this year or next but the one point thing will level off. You can't point build anymore with the new rule.
This is what I am planning to do for the 2024 season since I am skipping montana this year for the first time in a long time.
Post by: idaho guy on April 04, 2023, 02:15:10 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 04, 2023, 02:22:00 PM
We might go to montana shortly to help a relative with calving on his ranch. We will undoubtedly be at least shooting at some coyotes. My question is- I think montana hunting license expired 3/30 and we are in the draw for the big game combo. Since we have to buy the base hunting license to apply will we have and official hunting license for 2023 right now ? Or do we get the license after the draw has taken place? Or should I just call Montana :chuckle:I could be completely wrong but for some reason I was thinking that you didn't need a hunting license at all for coyotes in MT :dunno:
Post by: idaho guy on April 04, 2023, 02:27:35 PM
We might go to montana shortly to help a relative with calving on his ranch. We will undoubtedly be at least shooting at some coyotes. My question is- I think montana hunting license expired 3/30 and we are in the draw for the big game combo. Since we have to buy the base hunting license to apply will we have and official hunting license for 2023 right now ? Or do we get the license after the draw has taken place? Or should I just call Montana :chuckle:I could be completely wrong but for some reason I was thinking that you didn't need a hunting license at all for coyotes in MT :dunno:
Thats awesome if true. I will check it out. When i was a teenager living there we pretty much assumed coyotes were to be shot on sight with no license required. Maybe I was right for once as a young guy :chuckle:
Post by: BigCutty3 on April 04, 2023, 02:49:54 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 04, 2023, 02:53:44 PM
Post by: Stein on April 04, 2023, 05:03:06 PM
Post by: spin05 on April 09, 2023, 02:02:08 AM
Post by: Mustelidae on April 09, 2023, 05:18:06 AM
When do Montana results usually post ??I think results posted April 14th last year
Post by: bugs n bones on April 09, 2023, 06:15:44 AM
yes April 14 last yearWhen do Montana results usually post ??I think results posted April 14th last year
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 09, 2023, 09:42:21 AM
Post by: idaho guy on April 09, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
Post by: idaho guy on April 09, 2023, 10:42:13 AM
Post by: tdot24 on April 09, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 09, 2023, 01:57:41 PM
From what I’ve seen and experienced, pts don’t matter in a group draw, couple peeps with 1 pt(the so called no no area u wanna be in) but party leader had 2, whole group goes, so who knows, I didn’t get drawn last year, had zero pts, but got lucky with alternate list and got to go.
Interesting !
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 09, 2023, 02:25:24 PM
From what I’ve seen and experienced, pts don’t matter in a group draw, couple peeps with 1 pt(the so called no no area u wanna be in) but party leader had 2, whole group goes, so who knows, I didn’t get drawn last year, had zero pts, but got lucky with alternate list and got to go.Preference points are averaged for groups. So if some have 1 point and one has 2 that app has an average of more than 1. the higher the points the closer to the front of the line for tags. The points do matter in groups.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 09, 2023, 02:33:37 PM
Post by: tdot24 on April 09, 2023, 03:55:14 PM
Post by: phildobaggins on April 13, 2023, 11:04:02 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on April 14, 2023, 06:12:08 AM
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2023, 07:17:45 AM
Post by: phildobaggins on April 14, 2023, 07:29:00 AM
my money is on today
8) 8)
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 14, 2023, 07:43:35 AM
my money is on today. Been the 14th the last few years.
Is that mountain or pacific time zone? :chuckle:
I’m bet is on today.
Post by: cwuhunter on April 14, 2023, 07:46:35 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on April 14, 2023, 07:48:41 AM
Draw dates show the week of the 17th, next week
Where do you see that? I've never seen a date other than "mid April".
Post by: phildobaggins on April 14, 2023, 08:30:06 AM
Draw dates show the week of the 17th, next week
Where do you see that? I've never seen a date other than "mid April".
:yeah:
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2023, 08:47:47 AM
Recent history says it will be today but it very well could be next week.
Post by: James on April 14, 2023, 11:49:38 AM
Post by: phildobaggins on April 14, 2023, 01:29:20 PM
Post by: youngbuckslayer on April 14, 2023, 03:05:41 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 14, 2023, 03:58:38 PM
Post by: blackymaster20 on April 14, 2023, 04:09:15 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 15, 2023, 09:06:56 AM
Post by: MADMAX on April 15, 2023, 09:29:51 AM
Post by: Mulie87 on April 15, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Post by: Stein on April 15, 2023, 11:29:28 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 15, 2023, 11:30:17 AM
Speaking of special permits, when the heck are the WA regs coming out. It seems pretty late for them not to be out yet.https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/02422/wdfw02422.pdf
Post by: Mulie87 on April 15, 2023, 11:31:09 AM
Post by: spin05 on April 16, 2023, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: mburrows on April 17, 2023, 06:31:55 AM
Hopefully today is the day
Post by: phildobaggins on April 17, 2023, 07:06:43 AM
Post by: wooltie on April 17, 2023, 07:15:47 AM
Post by: bowhunterty on April 17, 2023, 07:36:26 AM
Post by: bustedoldman on April 17, 2023, 07:42:23 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on April 17, 2023, 07:52:54 AM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 17, 2023, 07:56:33 AM
Results are up if you go in through the hunter search page.
Still says pending there for me :dunno:
Post by: phildobaggins on April 17, 2023, 08:12:42 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on April 17, 2023, 08:14:49 AM
Results are up if you go in through the hunter search page.
Still says pending there for me :dunno:
One of my buddy's is saying the same thing. On mine it moved the "pending" to "successful" and now shows the deer and elk license up at the top as held license. Should be seeing yours soon.
Post by: phildobaggins on April 17, 2023, 08:45:47 AM
Post by: wooltie on April 17, 2023, 08:55:13 AM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 17, 2023, 08:58:19 AM
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on April 17, 2023, 09:03:31 AM
Post by: sureshotpaleface on April 17, 2023, 09:06:06 AM
Hunter search page? I am still seeing in process, anyone have a link, I am clearly missing it
https://myfwp.mt.gov/fwpExtPortal/searchHunters_input.action
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 09:06:35 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 09:09:08 AM
Hunter search page? I am still seeing in process, anyone have a link, I am clearly missing it
https://myfwp.mt.gov/fwpExtPortal/searchHunters_input.action
then click on enter criteria - works.
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on April 17, 2023, 09:09:29 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 09:09:40 AM
Party got drawn w/2 points:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: Torrent50 on April 17, 2023, 09:10:40 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 09:11:21 AM
Post by: mburrows on April 17, 2023, 09:17:33 AM
Post by: CamoDup on April 17, 2023, 09:17:52 AM
Post by: Brushbuster on April 17, 2023, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: GUscottie on April 17, 2023, 09:27:07 AM
Hunter search page? I am still seeing in process, anyone have a link, I am clearly missing it
https://myfwp.mt.gov/fwpExtPortal/searchHunters_input.action
then click on enter criteria - works.
If this is wrong, I'm going to sucker punch one of ya'll..
Post by: jaredwitman on April 17, 2023, 09:46:27 AM
Post by: robescc on April 17, 2023, 09:47:02 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 09:48:12 AM
Post by: washingtonmuley on April 17, 2023, 09:55:54 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 10:03:21 AM
Still says" in progress for me". Hopefully that isn't bad news for us.you check the link above?
Post by: mburrows on April 17, 2023, 10:03:56 AM
Sure a lotta success - even buddy with one point drew….. they better not be jerking with us!
Really? I know of guys that had 2 pp and didnt draw....they were in for big game combo. Was he in for just deer?
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 10:05:31 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 17, 2023, 10:11:07 AM
We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 10:12:58 AM
We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Post by: blackymaster20 on April 17, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 10:24:51 AM
did you apply last year?We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 10:36:24 AM
Post by: Stein on April 17, 2023, 10:39:06 AM
We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Do they add PP before or after the draw? If you whiffed with 3 that would be pretty remarkable.
Post by: phildobaggins on April 17, 2023, 10:42:59 AM
We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Geez, I'd be quite chapped about that myself.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
Nope. Bought a point and applied this year.you lost your points then. You can't go consecutive years without applying.
you get your point before the draw. 3pts is automatic draw in MT. You cannot whiff with 3.We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Do they add PP before or after the draw? If you whiffed with 3 that would be pretty remarkable.
Post by: Stein on April 17, 2023, 11:07:46 AM
Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2023, 11:09:28 AM
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Post by: 300rum on April 17, 2023, 11:13:05 AM
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on April 17, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
Post by: phildobaggins on April 17, 2023, 11:21:07 AM
WTF? Mine still says in process. Big game combo.
Use the Hunter Search feature and it'll give you an Excel sheet of your licenses and draws :tup:
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 17, 2023, 11:24:58 AM
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 11:30:17 AM
Nope. Bought a point and applied this year.you lost your points then. You can't go consecutive years without applying.you get your point before the draw. 3pts is automatic draw in MT. You cannot whiff with 3.We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Do they add PP before or after the draw? If you whiffed with 3 that would be pretty remarkable.
I think some in our group didn't have as many maybe? I didn't go 2 years without applying. Still trying to figure out what happened.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 17, 2023, 11:33:36 AM
If you didnt apply last year, the most you could possibly have this year is 2, and only if you bought a point only in 2022. You cant have not applied last year and had 3 this year.Nope. Bought a point and applied this year.you lost your points then. You can't go consecutive years without applying.you get your point before the draw. 3pts is automatic draw in MT. You cannot whiff with 3.We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Do they add PP before or after the draw? If you whiffed with 3 that would be pretty remarkable.
I think some in our group didn't have as many maybe? I didn't go 2 years without applying. Still trying to figure out what happened.
If you miss a single year of applying your points are gone.
Post by: Gettin Birdie on April 17, 2023, 11:36:38 AM
all the mule deer died out east this winter so everybody should just plan on hunting whitetail west of Deer Lodge.
Yeah, go away, west of the continental divide, preferably along the border with ID :chuckle: JK, good luck to all who draw!
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 11:37:39 AM
If you didnt apply last year, the most you could possibly have this year is 2, and only if you bought a point only in 2022. You cant have not applied last year and had 3 this year.Nope. Bought a point and applied this year.you lost your points then. You can't go consecutive years without applying.you get your point before the draw. 3pts is automatic draw in MT. You cannot whiff with 3.We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Do they add PP before or after the draw? If you whiffed with 3 that would be pretty remarkable.
I think some in our group didn't have as many maybe? I didn't go 2 years without applying. Still trying to figure out what happened.
If you miss a single year of applying your points are gone.
I looked back and you guys are correct. Still chapped but not as much!
Post by: Torrent50 on April 17, 2023, 11:38:48 AM
If you didnt apply last year, the most you could possibly have this year is 2, and only if you bought a point only in 2022. You cant have not applied last year and had 3 this year.Nope. Bought a point and applied this year.you lost your points then. You can't go consecutive years without applying.you get your point before the draw. 3pts is automatic draw in MT. You cannot whiff with 3.We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Do they add PP before or after the draw? If you whiffed with 3 that would be pretty remarkable.
I think some in our group didn't have as many maybe? I didn't go 2 years without applying. Still trying to figure out what happened.
If you miss a single year of applying your points are gone.
I don't think that is true. If you apply one year and don't draw, buy the next, and apply the third you should have 3. As I understand it you can't buy two years in a row or you lose your oldest point, but you can alternate. If you had to apply every year there would be no option to buy a point.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 17, 2023, 11:42:57 AM
Essentially you can only buy your first point as a point only. Anything past that has to be on an application. Once you start applying you have to keep applying or you lose your points.If you didnt apply last year, the most you could possibly have this year is 2, and only if you bought a point only in 2022. You cant have not applied last year and had 3 this year.Nope. Bought a point and applied this year.you lost your points then. You can't go consecutive years without applying.you get your point before the draw. 3pts is automatic draw in MT. You cannot whiff with 3.We had 2 points through 2022 and bought a point. Didn't draw the combo.
Yikes
I'm feelin a little chapped right now.
Do they add PP before or after the draw? If you whiffed with 3 that would be pretty remarkable.
I think some in our group didn't have as many maybe? I didn't go 2 years without applying. Still trying to figure out what happened.
If you miss a single year of applying your points are gone.
I don't think that is true. If you apply one year and don't draw, buy the next, and apply the third you should have 3. As I understand it you can't buy two years in a row or you lose your oldest point, but you can alternate. If you had to apply every year there would be no option to buy a point.
Post by: Stein on April 17, 2023, 11:44:57 AM
Quote
Accumulated preference points will be used during the current drawing whether you purchase an additional preference point or not. Any accumulated preference points are lost if the applicant does not apply for a nonresident combination license in consecutive years, or if you are successful at obtaining a combination license.
No one may hold more than 3 preference points.
Post by: elkoholic on April 17, 2023, 12:17:09 PM
Post by: Swatson on April 17, 2023, 12:26:46 PM
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 12:41:15 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2023, 12:45:29 PM
Mine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit. You got one of the returned tags.
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Post by: archerykraze on April 17, 2023, 12:46:09 PM
Mine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?
Willing to bet you picked up one of the released tags. These are the tags returned when someone ops for a refund if not drawn for their limited entry tag.
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 12:46:55 PM
Mine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2023, 12:47:46 PM
YepMine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
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Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 12:51:59 PM
YepMine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
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Thanks! At least I can plan on going this year! I need to just wait a day for this to all get done so I don't stress myself out over nothing!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 12:56:58 PM
Congrats! Pulled it out in the bottom of the 9th :chuckle:YepMine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
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Thanks! At least I can plan on going this year! I need to just wait a day for this to all get done so I don't stress myself out over nothing!
Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2023, 12:58:13 PM
Lol. I hear ya. I was sad because I thought I didn't have a chance of drawing. I was ecstatic when I saw that I drewYepMine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
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Thanks! At least I can plan on going this year! I need to just wait a day for this to all get done so I don't stress myself out over nothing!
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 01:21:20 PM
Two points and didn't draw the combo! :bash:Somethings wrong….. buddy drew with one. Deer & elk?
Post by: jae on April 17, 2023, 01:29:54 PM
DRAWINGS:
No pending license/permit drawings for 2023.
Successful Drawing Results:
2023 GENERAL - DEER COMBO
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 01:34:29 PM
Ok, I am assuming we were drawn?correct
DRAWINGS:
No pending license/permit drawings for 2023.
Successful Drawing Results:
2023 GENERAL - DEER COMBO
Post by: jae on April 17, 2023, 01:39:27 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2023, 01:41:22 PM
YepMine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
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Thanks! At least I can plan on going this year! I need to just wait a day for this to all get done so I don't stress myself out over nothing!
Just remember that if you draw a specific unit hunt, that is the only unit you may hunt.
Post by: WSU on April 17, 2023, 01:44:02 PM
YepMine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
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Thanks! At least I can plan on going this year! I need to just wait a day for this to all get done so I don't stress myself out over nothing!
Just remember that if you draw a specific unit hunt, that is the only unit you may hunt.
As I understand it, I cannot draw the elk permit because I did not draw the combo the first go around.
Post by: Swatson on April 17, 2023, 01:45:30 PM
Two points and didn't draw the combo! :bash:Somethings wrong….. buddy drew with one. Deer & elk?
Yea deer and elk combo.
Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2023, 01:46:19 PM
YepMine now says I was successful and also unsuccessful. You tell me what that means?You got a released tag. A lot of people choose to turn in their tag if they don't draw a limited entry permit.
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That makes sense. So how does it work with the limited entry permit? I was ineligible for that with no combo tag, so am I out of luck now that the draw has run?
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Thanks! At least I can plan on going this year! I need to just wait a day for this to all get done so I don't stress myself out over nothing!
Just remember that if you draw a specific unit hunt, that is the only unit you may hunt.
As I understand it, I cannot draw the elk permit because I did not draw the combo the first go around.
:tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 01:48:11 PM
I'd call them then because someone with 1pt cannot draw over someone with 2pts.Two points and didn't draw the combo! :bash:Somethings wrong….. buddy drew with one. Deer & elk?
Yea deer and elk combo.
Post by: Weatherby92 on April 17, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
I'd call them then because someone with 1pt cannot draw over someone with 2pts.Two points and didn't draw the combo! :bash:Somethings wrong….. buddy drew with one. Deer & elk?
Yea deer and elk combo.
Couldn't they in the random draw? Or are those to only applicants with 0 points? I haven't dug into this much so school me if this is a stupid question.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 02:05:52 PM
random is only for 0pt holders.I'd call them then because someone with 1pt cannot draw over someone with 2pts.Two points and didn't draw the combo! :bash:Somethings wrong….. buddy drew with one. Deer & elk?
Yea deer and elk combo.
Couldn't they in the random draw? Or are those to only applicants with 0 points? I haven't dug into this much so school me if this is a stupid question.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 17, 2023, 02:40:35 PM
Probably depends on which combo they each put in for, there is the deer combo, elk combo and the big game combo and each has their own separate draw pool.I'd call them then because someone with 1pt cannot draw over someone with 2pts.Two points and didn't draw the combo! :bash:Somethings wrong….. buddy drew with one. Deer & elk?
Yea deer and elk combo.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 02:50:24 PM
I'm assuming they are both referring to the big game combo. At 2pts, regardless of what combo was applied for I'd probably be calling because 2pts is gonna get you a tag.Probably depends on which combo they each put in for, there is the deer combo, elk combo and the big game combo and each has their own separate draw pool.I'd call them then because someone with 1pt cannot draw over someone with 2pts.Two points and didn't draw the combo! :bash:Somethings wrong….. buddy drew with one. Deer & elk?
Yea deer and elk combo.
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Post by: Stein on April 17, 2023, 02:53:04 PM
Post by: JBar on April 17, 2023, 03:00:38 PM
Post by: Ryans71 on April 17, 2023, 03:42:18 PM
"You were unsuccessful in the initial drawing for a big game combination license. However, you were successful in drawing a released big game combination license from the pool of licenses that were returned after the initial drawing."
Post by: MADMAX on April 17, 2023, 04:09:17 PM
Its just a definition explanation
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 17, 2023, 04:20:28 PM
Post by: MADMAX on April 17, 2023, 04:24:16 PM
And below it
Not successful
Post by: huntandjeep on April 17, 2023, 04:27:24 PM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 17, 2023, 04:31:54 PM
Look above it in yellow where it says you “do not have any successfully drawn ” ……..
And below it
Not successful
But if you read it all - it says successful for released tags. never had this before - just trying to clarify
Post by: MADMAX on April 17, 2023, 04:35:08 PM
Look above it in yellow where it says you “do not have any successfully drawn ” ……..
And below it
Not successful
But if you rad it all - it says successful for released tags. never had this before - just trying to clarify
Its definition explanations
Its on mine as well
Not successful is the key
Post by: elkrack on April 17, 2023, 04:49:22 PM
Hopefully my older two boys can kill their first deer :tup:
Post by: 3nails on April 17, 2023, 04:51:22 PM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 17, 2023, 04:59:59 PM
Look above it in yellow where it says you “do not have any successfully drawn ” ……..
And below it
Not successful
But if you rad it all - it says successful for released tags. never had this before - just trying to clarify
Its definition explanations
Its on mine as well
Not successful is the key
yep i am a looser this year!!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 05:22:37 PM
Post by: bear on April 17, 2023, 05:30:11 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 05:30:46 PM
One buddy with 2 points did not draw deer elk combo. The other buddy said he had one point and did draw deer/elk combo. Trying to find out if he REALLY did have one point or actually had zero.Well one of the two is screwed up on what they had because once again, it's a preference points system and someone with 1 cannot draw before someone with 2.
Post by: bear on April 17, 2023, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 05:41:08 PM
Unsuccessful deer/elk combo
Then shows deer and elk licenses
WTH ??????
Post by: cwuhunter on April 17, 2023, 05:48:09 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 17, 2023, 05:50:17 PM
Post by: cwuhunter on April 17, 2023, 05:53:13 PM
Another buddy shows successful deer/elk combo (released)
Unsuccessful deer/elk combo
Then shows deer and elk licenses
WTH ??????
Group apps will be no more after this debacle
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on April 17, 2023, 06:14:22 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 06:25:20 PM
Another buddy shows successful deer/elk combo (released)He didn't win in the main draw but scooped the combo on a return.
Unsuccessful deer/elk combo
Then shows deer and elk licenses
WTH ??????
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2023, 06:36:06 PM
Post by: elkoholic on April 17, 2023, 06:52:39 PM
Post by: haus on April 17, 2023, 07:03:57 PM
Still unsure how my wife pulled a deer combo with 1 point. I bought her a point last year and did not check the box to add a point for this draw. Waiting for the we messed up e-mail to take her tag away. Paid $760 ish for her application. Mine was $860 ish and I bought the point. She should not have a tag....The buy a point option is for the next season(s) it doesn’t have an impact on the current draw.
Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2023, 07:05:01 PM
Still unsure how my wife pulled a deer combo with 1 point. I bought her a point last year and did not check the box to add a point for this draw. Waiting for the we messed up e-mail to take her tag away. Paid $760 ish for her application. Mine was $860 ish and I bought the point. She should not have a tag....Lot's of people pulled deer combos with 1 point this year. Me included.
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Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2023, 07:05:26 PM
IncorrectStill unsure how my wife pulled a deer combo with 1 point. I bought her a point last year and did not check the box to add a point for this draw. Waiting for the we messed up e-mail to take her tag away. Paid $760 ish for her application. Mine was $860 ish and I bought the point. She should not have a tag....The buy a point option is for the next season(s) it doesn’t have an impact on the current draw.
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Post by: haus on April 17, 2023, 07:15:12 PM
IncorrectStill unsure how my wife pulled a deer combo with 1 point. I bought her a point last year and did not check the box to add a point for this draw. Waiting for the we messed up e-mail to take her tag away. Paid $760 ish for her application. Mine was $860 ish and I bought the point. She should not have a tag....
I stand corrected, so based on the prior year draw result odds your better off not buying the point during the draw and instead waiting until July or do they block you from doing that?
The buy a point option is for the next season(s) it doesn’t have an impact on the current draw.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 07:18:36 PM
Montana offers three general hunting packages to nonresidents through a random computer drawing:I posted this prior to draw but it must have gotten skimmed by many. Here it is again. There's no voodoo or witchcraft to the draws. It's pretty straight forward and simple.
General Deer Combination
General Elk Combination
General Big Game (Deer & Elk) Combination
Other individualized combination opportunities include:
Landowner Sponsored Deer License
Come Home to Hunt License
Nonresident Native License
Youth Combination License
Nonresident Student Hunters
All combination licenses include a season fishing license and upland bird license. Conservation license, base hunting license fee, and Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Pass (AISPP) must be purchased separately.
An applicant may apply for only one Combination license. Nonresident hunters can increase their likelihood of drawing a Combination license by accumulating Preference Points (see below).
For more information, call 406-444-2950.
General Combination Licenses
General Combination licenses are issued through a random computer drawing. The deer and elk licenses issued as part of a Combination license are valid throughout the state under the general hunting regulations.
Refer to the regulations for specific hunting district details.
Fees & Quotas:
General Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $1,208
Quota: 17,000
General Elk Combo: $1018
Quota: 17,000
General Deer Combo: $704
Quota: 4,600
Landowner Sponsored Licenses
A Montana resident landowner may sponsor nonresidents for a Deer Combination license. The applicant must conduct all deer hunting on the deeded property of the landowner. It is the applicant’s responsibility to find an enrolled landowner.
Fees & Quotas:
Landowner Sponsored Deer Combo: $704
Quota: 2,000
Come Home to Hunt License
This law encourages nonresidents who once lived in Montana to "come home to hunt" with parents, siblings, and other close family members. The program is aimed at continuing Montana family traditions by making an effort to bring sons, daughters and family back home during hunting season at a substantially reduced price. The sponsoring adult family member must claim Montana as his or her legal residence and must have a valid Montana hunting license. The sponsor can be a parent, step-parent, grandparent, sibling, step-sibling, child, step-child, spouse, or in-law. The applicant must have completed a Montana hunter education course and have previously purchased a Montana resident hunting license.
Qualifying nonresidents 18 years of age or older need to apply for either a Deer, Elk or Big Game Combination license starting March 1 and the deadline is April 1. Come Home to Hunt licenses are issued on a first-come, first-served basis.
Nonresidents who are awarded a Come Home to Hunt license must hunt with a properly licensed adult family member.
Proceeds from the sale of Come Home to Hunt licenses are used by FWP to acquire public hunting access to inaccessible public land.
2023 Come Home to Hunt Required Additional Information (PDF)
Fees & Quotas:
Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $604
Quota: 500
Elk Combo: $509
Quota: 500
Deer Combo: $352
Quota: 500
Nonresident Native License
If you were born in Montana but now live out-of-state, had purchased hunting or fishing licenses as a resident, and have an immediate family member who is currently a resident, you may qualify for these Nonresident Native Hunting licenses at reduced prices. These combination licenses include a Base Hunting License, Conservation License, Aquatic Invasive Species, Fishing license, General Deer and/or Elk license, hunting of upland game bird, excluding turkey.
2023 Nonresident Native Required Additional Information (PDF)
Required additional information that must be submitted to complete your license.
Fees & Quotas:
Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $604
Quota: Unlimited
Elk Combo: $509
Quota: Unlimited
Deer Combo: $352
Quota: Unlimited
Nonresident Student Hunting License
If you are a nonresident college student currently carrying 12 credits or more at a Montana college or university, you can fish and hunt upland game birds, deer, and or elk (required prerequisites are Conservation license, AIS Prevention Pass, and Base Hunting License).
Licenses go on sale after the second Monday in September at all FWP regional offices and the Helena FWP headquarters.
Students must provide at the time of purchase:
Current enrollment verification form
Valid student identification
Proof of completing hunter education in Montana or elsewhere
Fees:
Big Game Combo (Deer & Elk): $604
Elk Combo: $509
Deer Combo: $352
Additional Opportunities
Successfully obtaining a Combination license is just the first step to a memorable Montana hunt. Hunters have a wide variety of options available to specialize their hunts: early archery hunts; late season migration hunts; remote backcountry areas; limited access areas with some true trophy animals; or even some additional licenses to add more meat to your freezer.
Archery
The Deer and Elk licenses issued as part of a nonresident Combination license are valid for both an early archery-only season and the general rifle season. To hunt during the archery season, hunters must purchase a $10 bow and arrow license after obtaining a hunting license. A certificate showing the completion of a Bowhunter Education course or a prior year’s archery license from any state is required to purchase the bow and arrow license.
Archery regulations in many districts may have changed and now require a special permit. Refer to the regulations for specific details.
Antelope, Deer B & Elk B
Antelope, antlerless Deer B licenses, and Elk B licenses are available through a secondary drawing and in some areas over-the-counter. A Conservation & base hunting license fee are required. Refer to the regulations for specific details. The application deadline is June 1.
Preference Points
Preference points prioritize a nonresident combination license applicant with more preference points over an applicant who holds fewer preference points.
Per state law, 25% of General Combination licenses are issued, via a random draw, to applicants who have not purchased preference points. The remaining 75% of General Combination licenses are issued to individuals who have purchased a preference point in order of points held. For example: a person with 3 points will receive a license before a person with 2 points receives a license.
Depending on how many applicants purchase preference points, the draw odds for applicants with zero preference points may be higher or lower than the draw odds for applicants who have purchased preference points. It is your responsibility as an applicant to review drawing statistics from prior years and make the best decision for your particular situation.
If you elect to purchase a Preference Point select “YES” on the preference point question. The additional $100 fee will be added to your total.
Accumulated preference points will be used during the current drawing whether you purchase an additional preference point or not. Any accumulated preference points are lost if the applicant does not apply for a nonresident combination license in consecutive years, or if you are successful at obtaining a combination license.
If you apply for a combination license and an elk permit, you will have the opportunity to select the 80% refund option. If you select that option and are successful in the combination license drawing but unsuccessful in the elk permit drawing, you will receive an 80% refund of your license fee. Additionally, the number of preference points you hold will be reset to 0.
Outfitter clients are eligible to purchase second preference point for an additional $100 at the time of application. Licenses issued using this point are only valid for hunting with an outfitter.
No one may hold more than 3 preference points.
Those who do not apply for a combination license may purchase one preference point for $100 over the counter from July 1 through December 31.
Parties
Up to 5 applicants may apply as a party. FWP shall use an average of the number of preference points accumulated by those applicants to determine the party's preference points. FWP shall consider any fraction that result from the calculation of an average when determining that priority.
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 17, 2023, 07:33:33 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2023, 07:35:54 PM
Our group app of 5 people drew returned tags.Not returned tags, just regular good old fashioned draw.
Post by: bugs n bones on April 17, 2023, 07:39:26 PM
Post by: tdot24 on April 17, 2023, 08:01:29 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 17, 2023, 10:20:40 PM
Post by: spin05 on April 18, 2023, 02:51:46 AM
Post by: robescc on April 18, 2023, 11:44:26 AM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 18, 2023, 11:57:00 AM
The four in my party drew deer combo tags and none of us had any points at all.
Ya you guys had a better chance than the guys with 1 point
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 18, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2023, 12:56:21 PM
Could be this year that the odds with zero points were better than odds with 2 points ! Last year for deer/elk it was 77% with zero and 97% with 2. (0 % with one)Not possible. I'd guess that 1pt was better odds than 0 this year for the first time in a while in all categories.
Post by: dvolmer on April 18, 2023, 12:59:38 PM
would that possibly mean there were less applicants totally???Could be this year that the odds with zero points were better than odds with 2 points ! Last year for deer/elk it was 77% with zero and 97% with 2. (0 % with one)Not possible. I'd guess that 1pt was better odds than 0 this year for the first time in a while in all categories.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 18, 2023, 01:05:09 PM
Could be this year that the odds with zero points were better than odds with 2 points ! Last year for deer/elk it was 77% with zero and 97% with 2. (0 % with one)Not possible. I'd guess that 1pt was better odds than 0 this year for the first time in a while in all categories.
1 point had the worst odds this yr
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2023, 01:05:58 PM
are draw stats out already? All I can find from MT fwp is 2022 stats.Could be this year that the odds with zero points were better than odds with 2 points ! Last year for deer/elk it was 77% with zero and 97% with 2. (0 % with one)Not possible. I'd guess that 1pt was better odds than 0 this year for the first time in a while in all categories.
1 point had the worst odds this yr
Post by: idaho guy on April 18, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Could be this year that the odds with zero points were better than odds with 2 points ! Last year for deer/elk it was 77% with zero and 97% with 2. (0 % with one)Not possible. I'd guess that 1pt was better odds than 0 this year for the first time in a while in all categories.
At a minimum the odds for zero I think went down substantially. It was so well publicized and everybody and their brother seemed to do a podcast on it ha ha. I have to believe a lot of applicants without points opted not to purchase 1 going into the draw. It will be interesting to see this years odds.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2023, 01:59:01 PM
agreed. I also think a lot of people don't keep tabs or even understand how these draws work and lost their points completely.Could be this year that the odds with zero points were better than odds with 2 points ! Last year for deer/elk it was 77% with zero and 97% with 2. (0 % with one)Not possible. I'd guess that 1pt was better odds than 0 this year for the first time in a while in all categories.
At a minimum the odds for zero I think went down substantially. It was so well publicized and everybody and their brother seemed to do a podcast on it ha ha. I have to believe a lot of applicants without points opted not to purchase 1 going into the draw. It will be interesting to see this years odds.
Post by: Stein on April 18, 2023, 01:59:21 PM
Post by: blackymaster20 on April 18, 2023, 02:15:14 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2023, 02:16:25 PM
Post by: phildobaggins on April 18, 2023, 02:30:39 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2023, 02:32:22 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 18, 2023, 02:32:26 PM
Since I am sitting out Montana this year, I plan to buy a point and apply next year while buying another point.If you applied this year and didn’t opt in to the point pool, you cannot buy your preference point during the point buying period
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Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 18, 2023, 02:35:26 PM
Odds with 0 points were like 74% on GoHunt. If you bought a point with 0 going in, you prob didn't draw because you bought the point :tung:
That’s exactly what happened to us - we drew last year and the last few yes. Went in with zero and bought a point . And that pretty much put us into the very slim draw pool and did not draw. Which I’m fine with as I’m doing Saskatchewan this yr as well
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 18, 2023, 02:36:03 PM
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Post by: phildobaggins on April 18, 2023, 02:38:07 PM
I’m hesitant to do this, but you huntwa folks are a good bunch, so if you didn’t get drawn for Montana and you are looking for a hunt for this fall, Idaho has a returned tag sale going on Thursday morning at 10 AM mountain time. 304 elk tags, 371 regular deer and 147 whitetail only and 1 DAV deer tag.
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Clutch
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2023, 02:40:55 PM
I’m hesitant to do this, but you huntwa folks are a good bunch, so if you didn’t get drawn for Montana and you are looking for a hunt for this fall, Idaho has a returned tag sale going on Thursday morning at 10 AM mountain time. 304 elk tags, 371 regular deer and 147 whitetail only and 1 DAV deer tag.How dare you sir ! This is why we can't have nice things :nono: :chuckle:
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2023, 02:42:24 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 18, 2023, 02:42:29 PM
I thought maybe if I hid it here in a thread about Montana nobody would noticeI’m hesitant to do this, but you huntwa folks are a good bunch, so if you didn’t get drawn for Montana and you are looking for a hunt for this fall, Idaho has a returned tag sale going on Thursday morning at 10 AM mountain time. 304 elk tags, 371 regular deer and 147 whitetail only and 1 DAV deer tag.How dare you sir ! This is why we can't have nice things :nono: :chuckle:
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Did you get an Idaho tag this year Karl?
I’m gonna try to snag one for my Dad on Thursday.
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2023, 02:51:28 PM
Since I am sitting out Montana this year, I plan to buy a point and apply next year while buying another point.If you applied this year and didn’t opt in to the point pool, you cannot buy your preference point during the point buying period
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I didn't apply :tup:
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 18, 2023, 03:05:33 PM
Oh I thought you did and didn’t drawSince I am sitting out Montana this year, I plan to buy a point and apply next year while buying another point.If you applied this year and didn’t opt in to the point pool, you cannot buy your preference point during the point buying period
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I didn't apply :tup:
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 18, 2023, 03:22:55 PM
Oh I thought you did and didn’t drawSince I am sitting out Montana this year, I plan to buy a point and apply next year while buying another point.If you applied this year and didn’t opt in to the point pool, you cannot buy your preference point during the point buying period
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I didn't apply :tup:
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Nope. With everything going on I elected, which was really tough because I love our Montana hunt, to sit out this year and just buy a point. Hopefully I will be heading back next year
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2023, 03:40:55 PM
Not yet. Plan was to go hard for all things WY but tag cuts is likely gonna put me out on deer so I'll be trying to scoop an Idaho hunt most likely.I thought maybe if I hid it here in a thread about Montana nobody would noticeI’m hesitant to do this, but you huntwa folks are a good bunch, so if you didn’t get drawn for Montana and you are looking for a hunt for this fall, Idaho has a returned tag sale going on Thursday morning at 10 AM mountain time. 304 elk tags, 371 regular deer and 147 whitetail only and 1 DAV deer tag.How dare you sir ! This is why we can't have nice things :nono: :chuckle:
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Did you get an Idaho tag this year Karl?
I’m gonna try to snag one for my Dad on Thursday.
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 18, 2023, 04:35:39 PM
I’m hesitant to do this, but you huntwa folks are a good bunch, so if you didn’t get drawn for Montana and you are looking for a hunt for this fall, Idaho has a returned tag sale going on Thursday morning at 10 AM mountain time. 304 elk tags, 371 regular deer and 147 whitetail only and 1 DAV deer tag.
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After the cluster earlier draw I would’t touch this if they had 10 times the tags. What a joke. For those interested you must be first in line at an idaho tag retailer that is ready and logged in at 10:00 mt time. Good luck. There will be guys in line at 100+ locations so don’t give up even the third guy inline might get one. The online system will be bogged down and all tags will be gone thru local sales in first 15 mins before a single tag is sold online. Thats how its worked before thats how it will work now. IMO.
Post by: gasman on April 18, 2023, 04:39:31 PM
:IBCOOL:
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 18, 2023, 04:53:22 PM
The demand for the returned tag sales is not like original sales day. And I’m guessing that a lot of people don’t want to buy tags right now because of winterkillI’m hesitant to do this, but you huntwa folks are a good bunch, so if you didn’t get drawn for Montana and you are looking for a hunt for this fall, Idaho has a returned tag sale going on Thursday morning at 10 AM mountain time. 304 elk tags, 371 regular deer and 147 whitetail only and 1 DAV deer tag.
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After the cluster earlier draw I would’t touch this if they had 10 times the tags. What a joke. For those interested you must be first in line at an idaho tag retailer that is ready and logged in at 10:00 mt time. Good luck. There will be guys in line at 100+ locations so don’t give up even the third guy inline might get one. The online system will be bogged down and all tags will be gone thru local sales in first 15 mins before a single tag is sold online. Thats how its worked before thats how it will work now. IMO.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2023, 05:25:40 PM
:yeah: I've picked up tags as well as second tags in Aug every year with no issue. May not always get the tag you want but there's hunts to be done for the guy looking.The demand for the returned tag sales is not like original sales day. And I’m guessing that a lot of people don’t want to buy tags right now because of winterkillI’m hesitant to do this, but you huntwa folks are a good bunch, so if you didn’t get drawn for Montana and you are looking for a hunt for this fall, Idaho has a returned tag sale going on Thursday morning at 10 AM mountain time. 304 elk tags, 371 regular deer and 147 whitetail only and 1 DAV deer tag.
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After the cluster earlier draw I would’t touch this if they had 10 times the tags. What a joke. For those interested you must be first in line at an idaho tag retailer that is ready and logged in at 10:00 mt time. Good luck. There will be guys in line at 100+ locations so don’t give up even the third guy inline might get one. The online system will be bogged down and all tags will be gone thru local sales in first 15 mins before a single tag is sold online. Thats how its worked before thats how it will work now. IMO.
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Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 19, 2023, 08:12:32 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on April 19, 2023, 08:30:19 PM
Weird that there’s been no official email from Montana fish and game on draw results? :dunno:They emailed me 2 days ago stating the draw was complete :dunno:
Post by: idaho guy on April 19, 2023, 08:33:37 PM
Weird that there’s been no official email from Montana fish and game on draw results? :dunno:
I don’t remember getting an email on the actual draw results in the past? Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen though 😂 not really necessary since a lot of people check results every 5 minutes every day for a week prior to the draw ha ha
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 19, 2023, 08:35:14 PM
Weird that there’s been no official email from Montana fish and game on draw results? :dunno:They emailed me 2 days ago stating the draw was complete :dunno:
Interesting. I double checked, no email. I drew deer with 1 point and have rechecked on their website multiple confirming my successfulnesss haha.
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 19, 2023, 08:37:06 PM
Weird that there’s been no official email from Montana fish and game on draw results? :dunno:
I don’t remember getting an email on the actual draw results in the past? Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen though 😂 not really necessary since a lot of people check results every 5 minutes every day for a week prior to the draw ha ha
I searched back to last year, 4/14/22 I have an email from Montana fish and game that states:
Hunting permit drawing results now available
HELENA – The wait is over as the deer and elk permit drawing is complete, just two weeks after the deadline. With the new online application process, FWP can complete the drawing much faster than in years past.
“You can now start the fun planning process with your family and friends,” said Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks Director Hank Worsech.
Post by: idaho guy on April 19, 2023, 08:43:25 PM
Weird that there’s been no official email from Montana fish and game on draw results? :dunno:
I don’t remember getting an email on the actual draw results in the past? Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen though 😂 not really necessary since a lot of people check results every 5 minutes every day for a week prior to the draw ha ha
I searched back to last year, 4/14/22 I have an email from Montana fish and game that states:
Hunting permit drawing results now available
HELENA – The wait is over as the deer and elk permit drawing is complete, just two weeks after the deadline. With the new online application process, FWP can complete the drawing much faster than in years past.
“You can now start the fun planning process with your family and friends,” said Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks Director Hank Worsech.
Ok I thought you meant an email telling you if you were successful or not. Yes I noticed I received an email saying the permit draws were completed. I just seen the email today not sure if it was sent today or maybe yesterday
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 19, 2023, 09:05:08 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 19, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
Post by: jstone on April 20, 2023, 03:03:45 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2023, 03:31:02 PM
How are the animals around Anaconda doing?we spent Thanksgiving 2021 in Anaconda and deer numbers from what I saw were pretty low. I'd imagine they aren't better now :twocents:
Post by: huntandjeep on April 20, 2023, 04:48:17 PM
Maybe they only email losers :chuckle:Weird that there’s been no official email from Montana fish and game on draw results? :dunno:They emailed me 2 days ago stating the draw was complete :dunno:
Interesting. I double checked, no email. I drew deer with 1 point and have rechecked on their website multiple confirming my successfulnesss haha.
Post by: idaho guy on April 20, 2023, 05:18:36 PM
I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 20, 2023, 06:56:40 PM
it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
Post by: Gettin Birdie on April 20, 2023, 07:42:46 PM
it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
LOL, same here, was waiting a year or two for the "kinks" to be worked out, guess I got some good info for next year to go off, especially the buying tags on the mountain, would have had a dead kitty if I knew that :bash: and yes, I should have already had the dam* tag in my pocket!
Post by: Stein on April 20, 2023, 09:57:04 PM
it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
E-tags are the best, far better than normal paper that disintegrates when wet or the magic thermal paper with ink that disappears in sunlight. All the above, plus it can't fall off the carcass or accidentally get tossed out with the bones, head or hide when working in the dark by headlamp.
I wish WDFW would join the party for both hunting and fishing.
Post by: spin05 on April 21, 2023, 02:36:20 AM
Post by: archerykraze on April 21, 2023, 06:50:23 AM
Post by: Stein on April 21, 2023, 06:54:26 AM
Also, by law FW&P has no access to any location data.
Post by: phildobaggins on April 21, 2023, 08:22:27 AM
You can turn GPS off when you notch your tag (location services in iPhone). The tag is downloaded to your phone and you can notch the tag without service and then when back in town you could turn your cell service back on and it will sync with the server.
Also, by law FW&P has no access to any location data.
That's real good to know!
Post by: Mtnwalker on April 21, 2023, 08:47:05 AM
it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
Wonder how many people will get nailed for notching their tags like 8 minutes after they're purchased... :chuckle:
Post by: phildobaggins on April 21, 2023, 08:47:58 AM
it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
Wonder how many people will get nailed for notching their tags like 8 minutes after they're purchased... :chuckle:
LMFAOOO :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 21, 2023, 09:28:10 AM
we almost did. Glassed up a pocket of whitetails so bought the tag. By the time I got through the transaction they had fed back into the river bottom jungle. If they had given us another minute we would have had one dead like 1 minute after it showed up in the app :chuckle:it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
Wonder how many people will get nailed for notching their tags like 8 minutes after they're purchased... :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on April 21, 2023, 09:31:29 AM
You can turn GPS off when you notch your tag (location services in iPhone). The tag is downloaded to your phone and you can notch the tag without service and then when back in town you could turn your cell service back on and it will sync with the server.
Also, by law FW&P has no access to any location data.
That's real good to know!
Of course, Russian hackers will be in there at some point, but I'm willing to live with that. :chuckle:
You can also have kid's tags on your phone so they can't lose them. The only downside is if you lose your phone you're in trouble, but you can also lose a piece of paper so it's a wash.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 21, 2023, 09:32:42 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 21, 2023, 09:34:17 AM
:yeah: My phone is my camera, my GPS, etc. Far less likely to lose or damage my phone than I am to lose or mess up paper tags. I've had to buy duplicate tags more than a few times but in all my years of having a cell phone I've only ever lost or broken 1.You can turn GPS off when you notch your tag (location services in iPhone). The tag is downloaded to your phone and you can notch the tag without service and then when back in town you could turn your cell service back on and it will sync with the server.
Also, by law FW&P has no access to any location data.
That's real good to know!
Of course, Russian hackers will be in there at some point, but I'm willing to live with that. :chuckle:
You can also have kid's tags on your phone so they can't lose them. The only downside is if you lose your phone you're in trouble, but you can also lose a piece of paper so it's a wash.
Post by: mburrows on April 21, 2023, 09:34:49 AM
Can you have some paper tags and also some e tags? Like general tag paper and then buy a whitetail b tag as etag?
Yes. Just cant have a paper tag and e tag for the same tag.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 21, 2023, 09:35:50 AM
:yeah:Can you have some paper tags and also some e tags? Like general tag paper and then buy a whitetail b tag as etag?
Yes. Just cant have a paper tag and e tag for the same tag.
Post by: Stein on April 21, 2023, 09:38:27 AM
:yeah: My phone is my camera, my GPS, etc. Far less likely to lose or damage my phone than I am to lose or mess up paper tags. I've had to buy duplicate tags more than a few times but in all my years of having a cell phone I've only ever lost or broken 1.You can turn GPS off when you notch your tag (location services in iPhone). The tag is downloaded to your phone and you can notch the tag without service and then when back in town you could turn your cell service back on and it will sync with the server.
Also, by law FW&P has no access to any location data.
That's real good to know!
Of course, Russian hackers will be in there at some point, but I'm willing to live with that. :chuckle:
You can also have kid's tags on your phone so they can't lose them. The only downside is if you lose your phone you're in trouble, but you can also lose a piece of paper so it's a wash.
Hopefully you are knocking on as much wood as you can find.
That's my thought as well, I've lost tags, left them in the pocket of something that was left in the hotel, ruined some with water, grabbed the wrong tag, had tags come off while dragging, thrown a tag away with bones, pretty much every stupid thing a guy could do.
I think they will always have a paper option as well, so everyone can be happy.
Post by: Mtnwalker on April 21, 2023, 09:40:44 AM
we almost did. Glassed up a pocket of whitetails so bought the tag. By the time I got through the transaction they had fed back into the river bottom jungle. If they had given us another minute we would have had one dead like 1 minute after it showed up in the app :chuckle:it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
Wonder how many people will get nailed for notching their tags like 8 minutes after they're purchased... :chuckle:
Works great for the honest guys, I was thinking more like BANG... "welp I guess I better buy a tag now" :chuckle:
Then again I coulda had a dandy bull in CO a few years back if this was available. Painful to sit there and dry fire on em with no tag in the pocket!
Post by: Stein on April 21, 2023, 10:13:00 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 21, 2023, 10:37:49 AM
Is there a time limit? I seem to remember a tag where you couldn't use it within 24 hours or something like that, might have been bear or wolf?I couldn't find anything stating time limits but that's a good question.
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A wolf-hunting license purchased after August 31 may not be used until 24 hours after the license is issued
Post by: Gettin Birdie on April 21, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
we almost did. Glassed up a pocket of whitetails so bought the tag. By the time I got through the transaction they had fed back into the river bottom jungle. If they had given us another minute we would have had one dead like 1 minute after it showed up in the app :chuckle:it's great. No paper tags to get destroyed or forgotten at home. Plus you can add tags so easily. Bought a whitetail doe tag from the mountain last year and boom its right there. No driving to town needed.I got my etag immediately and knew my results long before results posted. Very much enjoy the etags.
The etags scare me ha ha. Does seem way more convenient maybe I need to grow a pair and just get them 😂
Wonder how many people will get nailed for notching their tags like 8 minutes after they're purchased... :chuckle:
Works great for the honest guys, I was thinking more like BANG... "welp I guess I better buy a tag now" :chuckle:
Then again I coulda had a dandy bull in CO a few years back if this was available. Painful to sit there and dry fire on em with no tag in the pocket!
The thought crossed my mind :chuckle:, hard not too since it was a lion, and I watched it try to stalk a deer (it escaped) and turkeys, so even more tempting, elk or deer not so much. Very painful! but alas, rules are rules for a reason and it was unethical. I'd have no problem if I could have bought the tag over the phone real quick though, the cats are insane there, I'll have a tag in pocket next year no doubt! The quota here is so stupid too, and is over in a week or less when dogs are allowed.
Post by: haus on April 21, 2023, 12:56:07 PM
I like the idea of E Tags but just like OnX I don't like the idea that someone has access to all those data points of where the bulls and bucks are being tagged. Could you imagine being able to see where all the bulls are being tagged in MT, scouting just got super easy for a select few :twocents:. I stick to paper tags so only a general unit description is given and my OnX has "misguiding icons" on my waypoints that'll make anyone scratch their head.Interesting point. Not sure if harvest location data from the states that have etag programs is pdr discoverable or not in those specific states, but no doubt someone’s already tried it get it that way lol.
Post by: Stein on April 21, 2023, 01:41:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if there are differences company to company, but any company dealing with hunters would be a fool to let anyone see anything. If that got out they would be bankrupt in short order. The founders of those companies aren't dummies, there are probably guys that went to work for them thinking they might get a little peekaboo.
Post by: grundy53 on April 22, 2023, 08:44:26 AM
Odds with 0 points were like 74% on GoHunt. If you bought a point with 0 going in, you prob didn't draw because you bought the point :tung:My group and another group I know of all drew with 1 point. I think this year's stats are going to be different than last year's.
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Post by: WSU on April 24, 2023, 01:30:28 PM
Has this ever happen to anyone else? I put in with 3 of my Buddy's we all applied as a group the group did not draw. Then on the released tags it said the group did draw I have a scream shot of that with my group number. Then the next day they took the group number off and only me and one other person in the group did draw so they split up the group. So now only 2 of the 4 have tags. So I called and they said I can get a 80% refund but I lose my points because I drew a tag but I never applied for an individual tag.
That happened to our group.
Post by: pickardjw on April 24, 2023, 01:42:19 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 24, 2023, 02:28:51 PM
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Post by: dreamingbig on April 24, 2023, 02:57:25 PM
That's completely messed up. I've read on other forums of the exact same thing. Montana absolutely has the most screwed up draw system of any western state! If you apply as a group you should only be drawn as a group. Or not at all. I could see them maybe giving people the option to accept a tag as an individual instead of the entire group getting tags. But it shouldn't be where you don't have a choice. That was the whole reason you applied as a group, right? Sure glad I'm not involved in the Montana draw fiasco.I disagree. MT actually lets me hunt bull elk. I will put up with their nuances!
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Post by: CarbonHunter on April 24, 2023, 05:27:28 PM
Has this ever happen to anyone else? I put in with 3 of my Buddy's we all applied as a group the group did not draw. Then on the released tags it said the group did draw I have a scream shot of that with my group number. Then the next day they took the group number off and only me and one other person in the group did draw so they split up the group. So now only 2 of the 4 have tags. So I called and they said I can get a 80% refund but I lose my points because I drew a tag but I never applied for an individual tag.
Are you sure that 2 of you didn’t select the option to return the tag if you didn’t get your special draw option? Individual members of the group have the ability to release the tag if they don’t draw the permit they applied for.
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 24, 2023, 05:30:38 PM
That's completely messed up. I've read on other forums of the exact same thing. Montana absolutely has the most screwed up draw system of any western state! If you apply as a group you should only be drawn as a group. Or not at all. I could see them maybe giving people the option to accept a tag as an individual instead of the entire group getting tags. But it shouldn't be where you don't have a choice. That was the whole reason you applied as a group, right? Sure glad I'm not involved in the Montana draw fiasco.
No Washington resident has the right to badmouth other states draw systems. We have the worse draw system in the west and we all know that. Washington could improve their system if they took a lesson from Montana.
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2023, 05:35:52 PM
That's completely messed up. I've read on other forums of the exact same thing. Montana absolutely has the most screwed up draw system of any western state! If you apply as a group you should only be drawn as a group. Or not at all. I could see them maybe giving people the option to accept a tag as an individual instead of the entire group getting tags. But it shouldn't be where you don't have a choice. That was the whole reason you applied as a group, right? Sure glad I'm not involved in the Montana draw fiasco.
No Washington resident has the right to badmouth other states draw systems. We have the worse draw system in the west and we all know that. Washington could improve their system if they took a lesson from Montana.
Montana earned it. The Washington draw system actually works pretty good. We just don't have enough permits relative to the number of applications. But the drawing works very well, and we're fortunate to have a bonus point system instead of preference point system. Montana has been an absolute fiasco the last couple of years.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 24, 2023, 08:28:43 PM
I would LOVE for them to limit us to 1 choice. Now that might improve draw odds!
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Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2023, 08:31:22 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 24, 2023, 09:47:58 PM
Post by: Stein on April 24, 2023, 09:54:23 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 25, 2023, 05:55:59 AM
The system is one thing, execution is another. I think they need to lease the "oh deer" landing page from WDFW, lots of mistakes in the last several years.
Agreed. But I’m from Idaho so Montanas execution seems flawless. 😂 we like to give out sheep tags and then take them back ha ha. It’s always a matter of perspective but most often I hear hunters complain about the complexity of Montana. That’s just not true but few take the time to actually understand it. Lots of states create new ways to sell points but Montana did the opposite with preference points. I appreciate that but most people bitch about it because they don’t get it or don’t realize it’s helping at least limit some of the issues with point systems. For the general tags mostly. Even requiring a draw of the general tag BEFORE entering the le draws for NR helps the le odds as well. Number 1 or 2 complaint I hear. Compared to other states it’s a pretty good system but different enough that people must get confused. I would say compared to most other states that invent new ways to sell points Montana did a hunter friendly move on the preference points.
Post by: Wingin it on April 25, 2023, 06:07:25 AM
Post by: Stein on April 25, 2023, 06:16:20 AM
But, at least for now you can hunt mulies in November every couple of years and the general elk tag is good for over 12 weeks.
Post by: mburrows on April 25, 2023, 08:27:40 AM
Would be nice if they let you check a box that said either the whole group gets tags or no one in the group does but on the other hand then you'd have a lot of guys waiting the 3 years for a tag.
The WA system for drawing may be simple but then again you've got a hell of a lot of guys putting in for very few tags. Most guys will never draw one of the top tier tags at the current rate and I argue a lot of MT is still better than a lot of the "quality tags" in WA for elk and mule deer. MT still beats the piss out of ID's current tag allocation process for the capped hunts.
Post by: Stein on April 25, 2023, 11:01:30 AM
Post by: idaho guy on April 25, 2023, 02:09:31 PM
Post by: mburrows on April 25, 2023, 02:38:20 PM
I hear people talk about a few things they like with different states draw systems. But mostly everyone just bitches about all of them 😂 myself included sometimes. I still contend the main problem with every states draw systems is the social media influencers, tag services and hunting personalities. They are all trying to monetize western wildlife. The result is they have broken all the state draw systems. I get 3-4 emails a week on draws from organizations I’m not even a member of. No state draw was ever set up to have hunters from all 50 states applying every year. They broke the draws and then do podcasts telling all the “worthless” game departments how to fix it. Classic
Hard to disagree with that.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 25, 2023, 02:42:30 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 25, 2023, 04:05:34 PM
Sign me up for a state that has no points for anything. General tags, special permits, whatever. Make everything random just like the lottery, which is really still is.Idaho and New Mexico
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 25, 2023, 04:11:25 PM
Sign me up for a state that has no points for anything. General tags, special permits, whatever. Make everything random just like the lottery, which is really still is.Idaho and New Mexico
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Idaho screwed it up with their system. New Mexico, agreed
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 25, 2023, 05:34:45 PM
Very true, I'm quite happy with my Quality Multi Season MT general tag.I’m very happy with my quality MT and ID tags as well. I am far less happy with the 20+ points I have in Washington that I will most likely never draw a tag with. And according to goHUNT there is better trophy potential with the tags I hold this year than anything Washington has to offer.
Post by: CJ1962 on April 27, 2023, 08:58:37 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2023, 09:08:00 AM
For those of us that didn't draw has your credit card been refunded? As of today mine hasn't....unless something has changed since I last got a refund it will come as a check in the mail.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 27, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
For those of us that didn't draw has your credit card been refunded? As of today mine hasn't....unless something has changed since I last got a refund it will come as a check in the mail.
Correct, it is a check in the mail and it takes a bit of time. Sadly, I have first hand experience with this multiple times
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2023, 09:46:00 AM
I was gonna make the comment that I wouldn't know because I'm not a no tag havin loser but thought it may be too soon to start dumping salt in fresh wounds :chuckle:For those of us that didn't draw has your credit card been refunded? As of today mine hasn't....unless something has changed since I last got a refund it will come as a check in the mail.
Correct, it is a check in the mail and it takes a bit of time. Sadly, I have first hand experience with this multiple times
Post by: vandeman17 on April 27, 2023, 09:52:52 AM
I was gonna make the comment that I wouldn't know because I'm not a no tag havin loser but thought it may be too soon to start dumping salt in fresh wounds :chuckle:For those of us that didn't draw has your credit card been refunded? As of today mine hasn't....unless something has changed since I last got a refund it will come as a check in the mail.
Correct, it is a check in the mail and it takes a bit of time. Sadly, I have first hand experience with this multiple times
Luckily my experience is when I elected the "return my elk tag if special permit not drawn". Been fortunate to have drawn a general tag every year beside this year for the last 5 or more years
Post by: pickardjw on April 27, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
Not interested in premium, top points required tags but planning on more of a rotation between CO, WY, MT and ID.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 27, 2023, 11:13:56 AM
Are the special draw permits for muley and elk worth the cost of buying and building points? I starting buying bonus points before I really understood the system and not sure if I want to keep building or cut my losses.
Not interested in premium, top points required tags but planning on more of a rotation between CO, WY, MT and ID.
Nope. I won't be applying for them anymore because there are so many good options with the general tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2023, 12:10:56 PM
Are the special draw permits for muley and elk worth the cost of buying and building points? I starting buying bonus points before I really understood the system and not sure if I want to keep building or cut my losses.short answer is yes. While there's endless general season opportunities in MT that would keep a guy busy and entertained there's some really incredible permits to be had. The cost is to apply is pretty minimal and just adds to the depth of your application portfolio.
Not interested in premium, top points required tags but planning on more of a rotation between CO, WY, MT and ID.
Post by: spin05 on May 02, 2023, 02:50:34 AM
Are the special draw permits for muley and elk worth the cost of buying and building points? I starting buying bonus points before I really understood the system and not sure if I want to keep building or cut my losses.short answer is yes. While there's endless general season opportunities in MT that would keep a guy busy and entertained there's some really incredible permits to be had. The cost is to apply is pretty minimal and just adds to the depth of your application portfolio.
Not interested in premium, top points required tags but planning on more of a rotation between CO, WY, MT and ID.
Can you apply later after you draw a general tag or is it pretty much donr now.
Post by: Stein on May 02, 2023, 06:20:59 AM
Post by: huntandjeep on May 02, 2023, 11:03:52 AM
For those of us that didn't draw has your credit card been refunded? As of today mine hasn't....They send you a check . Got mine yesterday
Post by: KNOPHISH on May 02, 2023, 02:21:58 PM
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Post by: 92xj on June 07, 2023, 02:04:18 PM
Post by: pickardjw on June 07, 2023, 02:07:37 PM
Did everyone get their Montana license and tag in the mail?
Nothing yet for me. First year in Montana, don't they have the digital license and tags now?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 07, 2023, 02:11:19 PM
you can get either paper or etags. Etags are awesome imo. So easy!Did everyone get their Montana license and tag in the mail?
Nothing yet for me. First year in Montana, don't they have the digital license and tags now?
Post by: phildobaggins on June 07, 2023, 02:14:40 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 07, 2023, 02:23:05 PM
Post by: phildobaggins on June 07, 2023, 02:25:34 PM
You had to select e tag or paper at app time. Paper tags should go out in the mail this week or next. (Theres a recording on the fwp phone line)
Man it seems so long ago LOL thanks!
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Post by: atfulldraw on June 10, 2023, 11:20:26 AM
Post by: mburrows on June 10, 2023, 04:27:54 PM
The leftover tag's come out in August.
:yeah: B tag draw results come out this week probably and whatever is leftover goes up for first come first serve purchase in august
Post by: MADMAX on June 10, 2023, 04:37:01 PM
Post by: Wingin it on June 10, 2023, 05:39:35 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on June 10, 2023, 07:35:30 PM
Post by: MADMAX on June 10, 2023, 07:48:07 PM
I have been driving around Montana the last two days. Surprised they give any doe tags out. Hardly see any deer. Few yard deer here and there but driving at prime time and most fields are clear.Me too
Did a trip to Jordan and back
Crappy weather and gumbo mud
I saw plenty of cantelopes
Not a lot of deer
Post by: HillHound on June 10, 2023, 07:50:42 PM
I have been driving around Montana the last two days. Surprised they give any doe tags out. Hardly see any deer. Few yard deer here and there but driving at prime time and most fields are clear.What region or general area have you been driving? Hearing the same about some but others I know that live overthere say there seem to be Tons of deer in some areas still.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on June 10, 2023, 08:54:46 PM
I have been driving around Montana the last two days. Surprised they give any doe tags out. Hardly see any deer. Few yard deer here and there but driving at prime time and most fields are clear.What region or general area have you been driving? Hearing the same about some but others I know that live overthere say there seem to be Tons of deer in some areas still.
I’m seeing some antelope but not as many as there should be. Lots of single bucks. I drove from Wyoming up through Billings, Judith Gap, bunch of places to Great Falls, up to Shelby, out to Browning, down to Choteau, back to Great Falls. It was dismal. I thought I was going to be seeing game all over. Driving during prime time too.
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Post by: bustedoldman on June 15, 2023, 09:06:18 AM
Tried to sign in on the web page and it wont let you in. Says "Drawing in Progress". Im sure results will be out shortly.
Now back to pending??
Post by: dreamingbig on June 15, 2023, 09:13:26 AM
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Post by: archerykraze on June 27, 2023, 07:36:42 AM
Post by: knighttime25 on June 27, 2023, 07:45:41 AM
Just want to remind everyone to double check the regs before heading over to hunt MT this year. There was an amendment passed for general season mule deer this year. Some of the units up in the breaks and the units in the SE have been changed to any antlered mule deer on the general tag. I see the changes have been made in the online regs. Used to be any mule deer but due to drought, winterkill and disease this change has been approved by the commission which I support as well. Good luck this Fall.
Thank you for the reminder, I see our typical units have changed :tup:
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Post by: vandeman17 on July 03, 2023, 10:31:05 AM
Looks like preference point option is available now.
$100 for a dang point. :yike: I just did my Wyoming preference point and got deer elk and antelope for $127.
Post by: Mulie87 on July 30, 2023, 08:31:09 PM
Post by: jstone on July 30, 2023, 08:45:06 PM
Fingers Crossed
Post by: Mulie87 on July 30, 2023, 08:52:01 PM
Post by: jstone on August 01, 2023, 11:57:28 AM
Will check again later this week
Post by: bustedoldman on August 01, 2023, 01:46:13 PM
I checked yesterday
Will check again later this week
Nothing today.....But this week!
Post by: callturner on August 03, 2023, 02:23:14 PM
Post by: MADMAX on August 03, 2023, 02:43:29 PM
I still show pending 🤞
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 03, 2023, 02:51:57 PM
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Post by: mburrows on August 03, 2023, 04:33:01 PM
I scored for Antelope!!!!! :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Lies
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 03, 2023, 04:41:22 PM
I’m guessing he read the line successful under his application, but it still says pending aboveI scored for Antelope!!!!! :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
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Post by: callturner on August 03, 2023, 05:13:22 PM
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Post by: mburrows on August 03, 2023, 05:50:37 PM
Oops, my bad, it was the other way around! :sry:
:chuckle: Did you draw a swan permit?
Post by: callturner on August 03, 2023, 06:27:28 PM
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Post by: callturner on August 03, 2023, 09:42:24 PM
Post by: mburrows on August 04, 2023, 04:00:54 AM
Have you hunted that area before? I've taken several there. ( Freeze Out). Let me know if you need any pointers.
I’ve not but the guys I’m going with have many times. Appreciate the offer to help though.
Post by: bustedoldman on August 07, 2023, 09:25:47 AM
The antelope drawing will take place by the end of this week.
Please let us know if you have any additional questions or concerns.
Thank you for reaching out,
Ellie Youde
Administrative Assistant
Front Desk
Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks
Post by: WAcoueshunter on August 07, 2023, 09:38:13 AM
I’m guessing he read the line successful under his application, but it still says pending aboveI scored for Antelope!!!!! :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
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I just made that mistake too...they sure could do a better job with the layout of their draw sections!
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 07, 2023, 10:30:38 AM
Received this email from MFWP.....Ridiculous
The antelope drawing will take place by the end of this week.
Please let us know if you have any additional questions or concerns.
Thank you for reaching out,
Ellie Youde
Administrative Assistant
Front Desk
Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks
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Post by: snit on August 07, 2023, 01:41:39 PM
Received this email from MFWP.....Ridiculous
The antelope drawing will take place by the end of this week.
Please let us know if you have any additional questions or concerns.
Thank you for reaching out,
Ellie Youde
Administrative Assistant
Front Desk
Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks
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I'd like to think the additional time needed is all for good reasons..but I concur that the wait is very frustrating. AND, just because the drawing "will take place by the end of this week", doesn't guarantee that the results will be posted "this week". Hopefully, I'm incorrect.
Post by: mburrows on August 07, 2023, 03:17:01 PM
Guy at work said he was told tomorrow (8/8) is the day.
Post by: Stein on August 07, 2023, 03:36:24 PM
Post by: jstone on August 07, 2023, 03:37:27 PM
Post by: archerykraze on August 08, 2023, 11:52:15 AM
Post by: bustedoldman on August 08, 2023, 12:08:20 PM
Post by: bustedoldman on August 08, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 08, 2023, 01:00:38 PM
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Post by: dvolmer on August 08, 2023, 01:05:50 PM
Post by: mburrows on August 08, 2023, 01:14:27 PM
Post by: MADMAX on August 08, 2023, 01:34:37 PM
thank you
Post by: WAcoueshunter on August 08, 2023, 01:50:14 PM
Post by: CamoDup on August 08, 2023, 02:00:57 PM
Post by: jstone on August 08, 2023, 02:34:21 PM
Post by: dreadi on August 08, 2023, 02:44:44 PM
Cantelope party of 3
thank you
:lol4:
+1
Post by: archerykraze on August 08, 2023, 02:47:31 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on August 08, 2023, 04:31:38 PM
Post by: jae on August 08, 2023, 07:26:28 PM
Post by: Wingin it on August 09, 2023, 06:26:14 PM
Post by: Gettin Birdie on August 10, 2023, 05:53:39 AM
Post by: dreadi on August 10, 2023, 05:40:56 PM
Post by: MADMAX on August 10, 2023, 06:25:48 PM
I couldnt find it in the regs
Post by: Stein on August 10, 2023, 06:47:37 PM
Post by: 22shtur on August 18, 2023, 09:29:21 PM