Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 19, 2023, 01:50:29 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 19, 2023, 02:05:57 PM
Post by: Dan-o on March 19, 2023, 02:11:37 PM
260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor are basically twins. You get less than 100 fps extra from a 260, right?
Creedmoor ammo and components are much more available. Especially if you don't reload, the Creedmoor is the way to go.
BUT..... You've already got it in 6.5-06AI, which means you likely reload.
I happen to think that the 6.5-06AI is just WAY cooler than a 260 or a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Extra powder? How many rounds would you need to shoot to save the powder/$$ from the cost of converting to another caliber?
I'd have to keep my 6.5-06AI.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 19, 2023, 02:19:13 PM
What bullet and bullet weight are you looking to sling down range? I think to your hunting range listed, either will do just fine. I like the 6.5...but that's because I have a couple and they are all great shooters. They are also very easy to load.Bullet weight will be 135-156, 130 at the lightest. I like the 6.5 until elk get into the equation. Do enjoy the lower recoil and ease of tuning a load.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 19, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
Well, if it was me.....I do reload almost exclusively, just at the price of barrels now a 6.5-06AI does a number on the throat with 5-8 round shot strings compared to 260 rem or 6.5 creed. Honestly right now leaning towards a 260 rem since many powders are compatible with my other rifles vs the creed. I still have a 6.5-06AI for hunting that will always be in my safe.
260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor are basically twins. You get less than 100 fps extra from a 260, right?
Creedmoor ammo and components are much more available. Especially if you don't reload, the Creedmoor is the way to go.
BUT..... You've already got it in 6.5-06AI, which means you likely reload.
I happen to think that the 6.5-06AI is just WAY cooler than a 260 or a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Extra powder? How many rounds would you need to shoot to save the powder/$$ from the cost of converting to another caliber?
I'd have to keep my 6.5-06AI.
Post by: mountainman on March 19, 2023, 02:29:07 PM
Post by: b23 on March 19, 2023, 02:39:05 PM
It sounds like you enjoy cartridges with added performance so maybe take a look at Defensive Edge's 260 Terminator. Shawn offers Lapua formed brass for sale if you don't want to mess with forming.
https://defensiveedge.net/260-terminator/
http://panhandleprecision.com/260-terminator-initial-review/
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 19, 2023, 03:07:16 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 19, 2023, 03:21:57 PM
The hammer hunter really like speed and accuracy / terminal performance has met all my expectations.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 19, 2023, 03:52:28 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 19, 2023, 03:56:28 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 19, 2023, 04:03:31 PM
We have shot plenty of big game with the 260. Including elk. It works just fine good bullet choice as always. We are running 130 and 140 accubonds in ours.
Post by: Dan-o on March 19, 2023, 04:54:36 PM
It's just so high up on my cool caliber list.
I've never owned one, but man.....
Post by: b23 on March 19, 2023, 05:16:24 PM
Don't mess with any of them and certainly don't Ackley a 260 when there's this caliber called the 6.5x284 😍 absolutely wonderful on a t3 action where mag length isn't a concern :twocents:
The only way I'd do a improved 260 would be the Terminator and even then it would only be because Shawn already has Lapua formed brass and doesn't charge a whole lot more then Lapua unformed brass.
But, if you're going to bring the 6.5-284 in to the mix then, winner winner chicken dinner, and I'll take the 6.5-284 every time. Even with a limited OAL of 3.00 the 6.5-284 has a pretty sizable advantage over just about anything else with a .473 bolt face. I'm a big fan of pretty much anything and everything off the 284 parent case including just the straight 284.
Dan-O; "Seriously..... Is it even possible to be cooler than a 6.5-06AI?
It's just so high up on my cool caliber list.
I've never owned one, but man....."
I could probably help you scratch that itch if you're looking for one. :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 19, 2023, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 19, 2023, 06:43:57 PM
Seriously..... Is it even possible to be cooler than a 6.5-06AI?No.. no its not that's why I'll always have one.
It's just so high up on my cool caliber list.
I've never owned one, but man.....
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 19, 2023, 06:49:38 PM
Don't mess with any of them and certainly don't Ackley a 260 when there's this caliber called the 6.5x284 😍 absolutely wonderful on a t3 action where mag length isn't a concern :twocents:It is a great caliber for that action no doubt but the 6.5-06AI gets the 140s to 3100+ relatively easy if need be. And yes have shot elk with the 6.5 and has worked well enough at 500 yards. 6.5-284 is just too similar to the 06 ballistically.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 19, 2023, 07:15:21 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2023, 08:36:02 PM
Post by: Farmer72 on March 19, 2023, 08:51:29 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2023, 09:52:18 PM
All these new fangled calibers. Go old school 6.5x55 Swed.
.260 is not new fangled :twocents:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 19, 2023, 10:19:32 PM
I am pretty sure a 260 will out run the 6.5x55 as well. Again not by much but some.
Post by: bullfisher on March 19, 2023, 11:46:17 PM
But we always end up with the 6.5 PRC's in the woods.. :twocents:
Post by: BigGoonTuna on March 20, 2023, 04:16:36 AM
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2023, 06:30:26 AM
Post by: Farmer72 on March 20, 2023, 01:05:07 PM
All these new fangled calibers. Go old school 6.5x55 Swed.
.260 is not new fangled :twocents:
Relative to the 6.5 Swed I would say the 260 is new fangled. 26 yrs vs 129 yrs.
:yeah: Think it’s about 25/30 years old.
I am pretty sure a 260 will out run the 6.5x55 as well. Again not by much but some.
Only reason the 260 out runs the Swed is the SAAMI pressure difference. Which is because of all the older rifles. Big deterrence for the Swed is the long action required but if that is not a factor I would do 6.5x55 all day long. If you wanted more you could AI it.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying the 260 Rem is in anyway bad. There is little difference between the 260 Rem, 6.5x55 Swed, 6.5 Creed and 6.5x47 Lapua. If you have anyone of these you don't need the others. I currently have a 6.5x55 Swed, 6.5 Creed and a 264 Win mag. Have been looking at building a 6.5x47 Lapua also so I am well past need. LOL
Post by: Kauaiian on March 20, 2023, 06:09:58 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 20, 2023, 07:37:56 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 22, 2023, 06:55:31 PM
Hell, with a T3 being a long action, why not a .264 Win with a 1:8 twist barrel? :chuckle:
Probably be the same price buy a new gun as get a magnum bolt for the Tikka
Post by: actionshooter on March 22, 2023, 08:34:51 PM
Post by: Cougartail on March 23, 2023, 06:39:39 AM
In my opinion there isn't enough difference between the 2 to really matter.... if you reload, go 260, if you're going to buy ammo, go Creedmoor..
Try going to gun range with a 260 while rocking a manbun. :chuckle:
When splitting hairs the small things matter..
Post by: huntnphool on March 23, 2023, 10:37:23 PM
:chuckle:In my opinion there isn't enough difference between the 2 to really matter.... if you reload, go 260, if you're going to buy ammo, go Creedmoor..
Try going to gun range with a 260 while rocking a manbun. :chuckle:
When splitting hairs the small things matter..
Post by: dmoua on March 24, 2023, 09:29:52 AM
Post by: actionshooter on March 24, 2023, 04:14:07 PM
In my opinion there isn't enough difference between the 2 to really matter.... if you reload, go 260, if you're going to buy ammo, go Creedmoor..
Try going to gun range with a 260 while rocking a manbun. :chuckle:
When splitting hairs the small things matter..
LOL -- How did you know I had a man-bun :chuckle:
Post by: 300rum on March 25, 2023, 07:02:20 AM
Let's face it, if you can't get within 400 yards of an animal you don't know how to hunt very good anyway.
You will also save a ton of money with a .270. You can hunt in actual blue jeans or wool pants and you aren't required to buy or wear gaiters in the same camo pattern that matches your stock. You don't have to dress in drag with that man bra for your binoculars either.
You will also save weight with a .270, your "kill kit" is a knife, as in one knife. You won't need a rollup "kill kit", or that butt-out tool you carry or that gimmicky knife that you change the razor blades in all the time. You will have to learn how to sharpen a knife on a stone when you carry a .270, that's one requirement.
The downside is won't look like a tactical timmy at the gas pump in the morning and you will be required to put down your phone and play real card games like poker.
You will aslo have to give up your dungeons and dragons, at least when you are at camp.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 25, 2023, 10:35:02 PM
Just get a .270 Winchester. It's better then both of them for a number of really good reasons and you only have to pull the bolt back juuust a little bit more (I know you will be able to do it!). You can also put your thumb over the tang of your rifle instead of laying it alongside the stock.But I like my Dungeons and dragons! Haha great post, funny how you recommend the .270 whinny have shot a lot more game with that than I ever will any other cartridge I imagine and more than adequate. I guess this rifle will be more steel/target/rock based than animal but can use it in a pinch. .270 winchester will always be in the cleanup spot.
Let's face it, if you can't get within 400 yards of an animal you don't know how to hunt very good anyway.
You will also save a ton of money with a .270. You can hunt in actual blue jeans or wool pants and you aren't required to buy or wear gaiters in the same camo pattern that matches your stock. You don't have to dress in drag with that man bra for your binoculars either.
You will also save weight with a .270, your "kill kit" is a knife, as in one knife. You won't need a rollup "kill kit", or that butt-out tool you carry or that gimmicky knife that you change the razor blades in all the time. You will have to learn how to sharpen a knife on a stone when you carry a .270, that's one requirement.
The downside is won't look like a tactical timmy at the gas pump in the morning and you will be required to put down your phone and play real card games like poker.
You will aslo have to give up your dungeons and dragons, at least when you are at camp.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 25, 2023, 11:13:34 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 26, 2023, 07:53:03 AM
Post by: buckfvr on March 26, 2023, 08:45:56 AM
I'm just glad I have a 25-06 and a .270 in my gun safe, right next to the red plaid wool shirt. :chuckle:
:tup: :tup:
I look back at when I sold my .270 as a very sad day now. If I could only have one, that would be it.
Post by: Gettin Birdie on March 26, 2023, 09:45:13 AM
I'm just glad I have a 25-06 and a .270 in my gun safe, right next to the red plaid wool shirt. :chuckle:
:tup: :tup:
I look back at when I sold my .270 as a very sad day now. If I could only have one, that would be it.
My dad traded for a Winchester .270 Black Shadow, that was won at a RMEF banquet years ago and gave it to me. It's been a hell of a gun, and tack driver for the price, many harvested with that plain jane, wouldn't ever sell it, but getting into the "other calibers" now and want to shoot LR, so got a 6.5 and want to build a custom gun. Always will fall back on the .270 though! Black Shadow strikes again!
Post by: MHWASH on March 26, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
The 6.5 in either flavor will be more enjoyable to shoot than the .270 or 6.5-06. Not to mention the 6.5 will equal then exceed the .270 once you hit 400 and beyond.
Post by: Damnimissed on March 30, 2023, 10:57:19 PM
For the applications your talking I'd go with the Creedmoor. In general the CM seems more accurate in factory rifles. I've had both, but kept the CM because of the rifle, Tikka vs the model 7 .260.
The 6.5 in either flavor will be more enjoyable to shoot than the .270 or 6.5-06. Not to mention the 6.5 will equal then exceed the .270 once you hit 400 and beyond.
I’m gonna disagree with you with the 270’s advantage out to only 400yds. It’s a lot farther than that, especially with hand loads like my RL26 load with 150gr AB’s at 3100fps. With modern bullets and powders available nowadays, the 270win walks all over the 6.5 creedmoor out to as far as you should ethically shoot at game, but with more recoil, as you mentioned.
Post by: Kauaiian on March 31, 2023, 04:41:39 PM
For the applications your talking I'd go with the Creedmoor. In general the CM seems more accurate in factory rifles. I've had both, but kept the CM because of the rifle, Tikka vs the model 7 .260.
The 6.5 in either flavor will be more enjoyable to shoot than the .270 or 6.5-06. Not to mention the 6.5 will equal then exceed the .270 once you hit 400 and beyond.
I’m gonna disagree with you with the 270’s advantage out to only 400yds. It’s a lot farther than that, especially with hand loads like my RL26 load with 150gr AB’s at 3100fps. With modern bullets and powders available nowadays, the 270win walks all over the 6.5 creedmoor out to as far as you should ethically shoot at game, but with more recoil, as you mentioned.
You have rl26? Soooooo jealous. :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on March 31, 2023, 04:58:42 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 31, 2023, 05:12:07 PM
General question. Just curious what the allure is to 6.5. Is it because it’s a little less recoil? Something “new”? Or is it really that awesome?basically just lower recoil. Every shooter on planet earth is gonna be more accurate the lighter the recoil. Lots of the 6.5 chamberings offer lighter recoil with some slick high b.c. bullets.
As the saying goes, "confidence kills". Guys easily build confidence with a creedmoor, etc because they can shoot them well and shoot them more often.
Post by: bearpaw on March 31, 2023, 05:13:05 PM
General question. Just curious what the allure is to 6.5. Is it because it’s a little less recoil? Something “new”? Or is it really that awesome?
For starters there is a ton of hype, LOL. But considering the smaller case capacity and light recoil it does a fantastic job, the 6.5 bullets have a high bc so this chambering will match larger rifle chamberings at long range, while still being very comfortable to shoot.
Post by: MHWASH on April 01, 2023, 12:14:00 PM
General question. Just curious what the allure is to 6.5. Is it because it’s a little less recoil? Something “new”? Or is it really that awesome?
For starters there is a ton of hype, LOL. But considering the smaller case capacity and light recoil it does a fantastic job, the 6.5 bullets have a high bc so this chambering will match larger rifle chamberings at long range, while still being very comfortable to shoot.
This is 100% why I have a 6.5. I had 3 260's before I bought the Creedmoor.
Post by: jrebel on April 01, 2023, 03:25:18 PM
All that being said, with the right bullet, the .260 will do the same. That is the beauty of todays caliber options......lots of good options. It's also the curse....makes it hard to decide. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 01, 2023, 04:44:25 PM
…
All that being said, with the samebullet, the .260 will do the same. That is the beauty of todays caliber options......lots of good options. It's also the curse....makes it hard to decide. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Fixed it for you. :chuckle:
Post by: Kauaiian on April 01, 2023, 05:34:49 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on April 03, 2023, 07:54:17 PM
Post by: Dan-o on April 03, 2023, 09:01:44 PM
You all talked me out of doing either. Going to chamber up another 6.5-06AI and keep shooting it. It is just too simple and brass is too easy to obtain.
WINNER!!!!!
Post by: huntnphool on April 03, 2023, 10:35:55 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on April 04, 2023, 09:09:22 AM
Well if you were prepping for the CM, go ahead and make a appointment to have SportClips remove the man bun! :rolleyes:Backcountry hack... man bun is nature's packable pillow!
Post by: huntnphool on April 06, 2023, 12:33:13 PM
Well if you were prepping for the CM, go ahead and make a appointment to have SportClips remove the man bun! :rolleyes:Backcountry hack... man bun is nature's packable pillow!
:chuckle: