Post by: blacktailcrzy on March 20, 2023, 01:53:34 PM
Post by: saylean on March 20, 2023, 04:08:27 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 20, 2023, 04:22:20 PM
Post by: dagon on March 24, 2023, 09:17:38 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 24, 2023, 09:53:48 AM
Need predator control and a desire to rebuild herd numbers regardless of any point or no point system.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2023, 10:05:06 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 24, 2023, 10:13:27 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 24, 2023, 10:16:11 AM
:yeah:
100% :yeah:
Post by: GOcougsHunter on March 24, 2023, 10:30:42 AM
22 adult ram tags, 22 goat, and 105 antlered moose in 2023, start with making OIL's resident only. Allow NR to bid on auction tags and buy raffle tickets, doubt that alone would change the odds much.
Need predator control and a desire to rebuild herd numbers regardless of any point or no point system.
I could totally get behind allowing only residents allowed to apply for OIL. Every other state has Non Resident stipulations for a myriad of species. Our OIL resource is theoretically constrained and unless the animal numbers shoot up dramatically, it makes no sense to open it up to everyone in the country. The cash difference between a NR tag vs a resident tag is nominal. The department could make up the difference easily when NR simply shift their application money to the raffle draws.
Post by: X-Force on March 24, 2023, 10:38:17 AM
The only changes WDFW will listen to is ones that increase revenue
Post by: idahohuntr on March 24, 2023, 10:42:23 AM
I'd be all for changes to the draw...the problem is, when this discussion gets raised there is never anywhere close to consensus and so it stays status quo.
To really make a run at changes you would need to articulate a clear objective/goal and then get a lot of buy in from multiple user groups. I think under this commission we really could get traction, but it would require building consensus on what the larger objective should be. :twocents:
Post by: kentrek on March 24, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 24, 2023, 11:54:02 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 24, 2023, 11:58:40 AM
What happened to all those transplanted goats from the Olympics? Shouldn’t goat tags be increasing? I think it was over 200 relocated.
I think some horrific number of them died, like 60%. They had awful survival rates.
Post by: boneaddict on March 24, 2023, 12:38:36 PM
Idk if Washington has a bunch of non resident oil competition...but with that said if we could split Washington up region by region and let the residents of that region have 1st pick of those tags we could really cut down on the competition :chuckle:
Probably more than you think, with the price structure the way it is.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 24, 2023, 12:50:05 PM
If you read some of the magazines they advocate putting in for WA OIL permits.
Post by: Farmer72 on March 24, 2023, 12:55:42 PM
Idk if Washington has a bunch of non resident oil competition...but with that said if we could split Washington up region by region and let the residents of that region have 1st pick of those tags we could really cut down on the competition :chuckle:
Or you would have a lot of new neighbors.
Post by: steeleywhopper on March 24, 2023, 01:00:24 PM
Again, best way to immediately change drawing odds for OIL’s, make people purchase tags to be in the draw. Refunds to those not drawn, email permit manager and commission.
Exactly! Go back to the old system of doing the OIL's
Post by: Dhoey07 on March 24, 2023, 03:16:21 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on March 24, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on March 24, 2023, 05:06:54 PM
Get rid of the point system.:yeah:
The bonus point system isn’t understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if they’ve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.
We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you can’t apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.
Post by: elkslayer069 on March 24, 2023, 07:31:41 PM
Get rid of the point system.:yeah:
The bonus point system isn’t understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if they’ve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.
We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you can’t apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 24, 2023, 08:19:00 PM
and another way for all draws is you only get one choice, that would help bigger then anything in the elk and deer drawsGet rid of the point system.:yeah:
The bonus point system isn’t understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if they’ve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.
We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you can’t apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2023, 08:43:37 PM
Get rid of the point system.:yeah:
The bonus point system isn’t understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if they’ve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.
We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you can’t apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.
Actually it sounds like you don't understand how it works. Ten points DOES give you 100 times better odds than 1 point.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 24, 2023, 09:10:40 PM
and another way for all draws is you only get one choice, that would help bigger then anything in the elk and deer drawsGet rid of the point system.:yeah:
The bonus point system isn’t understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if they’ve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.
We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you can’t apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Agreed
Post by: hughjorgan on March 24, 2023, 09:25:08 PM
Get rid of the point system.:yeah:
The bonus point system isn’t understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if they’ve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.
We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you can’t apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.
Actually it sounds like you don't understand how it works. Ten points DOES give you 100 times better odds than 1 point.
This is exactly what I am saying an average person doesn’t understand how our bonus point system works. We have the same system as Nevada.
When you have ten points it is squared and you are assigned one hundred random numbers. The lowest number out of those numbers generated is assigned to your draw you put in for. The lower the number you get the better chance you have at drawing. You have better odds at getting a lower number than some one with one point but I wouldn’t say it is hundred to one better. You still only get the one random number just like the guy that has one point.
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
Not saying I'm a fan of the point system at all. It doesn't work properly with too many applicants relative to the number of permits available.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 24, 2023, 10:24:21 PM
Post by: kentrek on March 24, 2023, 11:02:06 PM
I wonder how long until greedy hunters start trying to pull tags from the youth categories
Post by: huntnphool on March 25, 2023, 12:10:09 AM
It’s amazing how many Washington hunters can’t see the forest through the trees! But then again, I’d imagine the majority of them also don’t see the result of their voting “D” down ballot! :twocents:
Post by: hughjorgan on March 25, 2023, 08:10:26 AM
Ow many numbers do they use in relation to how many applications. 0 to infinity?
1 to 99 million is how nevadas is so I’m going to assume that’s how ours is setup as well.
Post by: MeepDog on March 25, 2023, 08:25:12 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 25, 2023, 08:31:29 AM
Ow many numbers do they use in relation to how many applications. 0 to infinity?Ive asked this question in person, it’s 0-infinity. I’ve asked them a few times if changing the infinity number to the number of applicants would improve odds, but they don’t think it would. I think it would help, but I’m not a numbers guy.
Post by: Buckjunkie on March 25, 2023, 08:45:14 AM
We don't need 4 choices for antlerless, buck, cow, etc. I'd be fine with cutting them in half. 1 choice for quality, 2 choices for everything's else.
You don’t have to put in choice 2-4. Lots of people have drawn their 3rd or 4th choice. The Wa draw process goes through all of your choices before moving on to the next applicant.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 25, 2023, 09:47:02 AM
The hard part: What are you trying to achieve?