Post by: ridgefire on April 12, 2023, 11:04:17 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 13, 2023, 04:55:14 AM
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Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2023, 06:09:37 AM
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 13, 2023, 06:11:19 AM
Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.:yeah: 100%
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
Post by: ridgefire on April 13, 2023, 07:25:09 AM
Post by: Shooter4 on April 13, 2023, 07:37:49 AM
Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2023, 07:40:12 AM
Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I don't understand....
Post by: grundy53 on April 13, 2023, 07:54:51 AM
That's pretty much the opposite of what he saidPersonally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
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Post by: Shooter4 on April 13, 2023, 08:06:36 AM
So your saying you buy it even if you don’t draw a tag you want..Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I don't understand....
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2023, 08:20:25 AM
So your saying you buy it even if you don’t draw a tag you want..Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I don't understand....
I'm not really saying what I do. I was answering the question, which was what are the benefits of drawing a quality deer permit and the multi season deer tag in the same year. The answer, in my view, is there isn't a benefit. The multi season tag would be a waste of money in that case.
But as to specifically what I actually do myself, I have never, not once, purchased the multi season deer tag. This year I didn't apply for it. I decided that with two trips to Wyoming this year, and multiple people I hunt with such as my daughter and my brother, I just don't need the option to hunt all the seasons.
Not sure how it's going to go yet this year, but could be that my brother will have a muzzleloader deer tag, I may have archery, and my daughter will have modern. Therefore I can still hunt all three seasons, just I won't always be the one pulling the trigger.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 13, 2023, 08:25:54 AM
Im pretty sure that there is no getting your points back if you dont buy the multi season deer tag. So it is having the opposite affect. Bobcat would yse his multi season deer points and not use the tag. Allowing someone else to buy it.Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I am the same way. I drew multi deer this year and wont even think of buying it until after regular draws. If i draw a permit i wont buy multi, but my multi points are still gone.
Post by: Shooter4 on April 13, 2023, 08:27:46 AM
Gotcha well all I was saying was people utilizing the multi to apply for more permits bow,archery,rifle and then not drawing and turning it back into the state for leftovers that your lucky to get while you keep gaining points and drawing every year is a problem lol I’m not specifying you but people do do that and they’ll keep drawingSo your saying you buy it even if you don’t draw a tag you want..Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I don't understand....
I'm not really saying what I do. I was answering the question, which was what are the benefits of drawing a quality deer permit and the multi season deer tag in the same year. The answer, in my view, is there isn't a benefit. The multi season tag would be a waste of money in that case.
But as to specifically what I actually do myself, I have never, not once, purchased the multi season deer tag. This year I didn't apply for it. I decided that with two trips to Wyoming this year, and multiple people I hunt with such as my daughter and my brother, I just don't need the option to hunt all the seasons.
Not sure how it's going to go yet this year, but could be that my brother will have a muzzleloader deer tag, I may have archery, and my daughter will have modern. Therefore I can still hunt all three seasons, just I won't always be the one pulling the trigger.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 13, 2023, 08:28:32 AM
You cant return the multi season tag once you purchase it.Gotcha well all I was saying was people utilizing the multi to apply for more permits bow,archery,rifle and then not drawing and turning it back into the state for leftovers that your lucky to get while you keep gaining points and drawing every year is a problem lol I’m not specifying you but people do do that and they’ll keep drawingSo your saying you buy it even if you don’t draw a tag you want..Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I don't understand....
I'm not really saying what I do. I was answering the question, which was what are the benefits of drawing a quality deer permit and the multi season deer tag in the same year. The answer, in my view, is there isn't a benefit. The multi season tag would be a waste of money in that case.
But as to specifically what I actually do myself, I have never, not once, purchased the multi season deer tag. This year I didn't apply for it. I decided that with two trips to Wyoming this year, and multiple people I hunt with such as my daughter and my brother, I just don't need the option to hunt all the seasons.
Not sure how it's going to go yet this year, but could be that my brother will have a muzzleloader deer tag, I may have archery, and my daughter will have modern. Therefore I can still hunt all three seasons, just I won't always be the one pulling the trigger.
Post by: Shooter4 on April 13, 2023, 08:29:20 AM
idk about that if that’s true than my theory is completely wrong! But I’m pretty sure you get your points backIm pretty sure that there is no getting your points back if you dont buy the multi season deer tag. So it is having the opposite affect. Bobcat would yse his multi season deer points and not use the tag. Allowing someone else to buy it.Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I am the same way. I drew multi deer this year and wont even think of buying it until after regular draws. If i draw a permit i wont buy multi, but my multi points are still gone.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 13, 2023, 08:42:22 AM
I have never gotten my points back when ive drawn and not bought multiseason tags.idk about that if that’s true than my theory is completely wrong! But I’m pretty sure you get your points backIm pretty sure that there is no getting your points back if you dont buy the multi season deer tag. So it is having the opposite affect. Bobcat would yse his multi season deer points and not use the tag. Allowing someone else to buy it.Personally what I have done when I've drawn mult season deer, is to wait until after the special permit draw is done before I buy it. To me if I were to draw a quality deer permit I would focus only on that. I wouldn't want to be hunting multiple seasons.Driving point creep up with that mind set you don’t draw a quality tag you return it keep gaining points probably draw every year tell you get you quality tag on top of Multiseason it’s a good idea but…
So for me the benefit of drawing multi season deer is just having the option to buy it if not successful in drawing quality deer, or any other special permit that I'm going to want to spend most of time focusing on.
I am the same way. I drew multi deer this year and wont even think of buying it until after regular draws. If i draw a permit i wont buy multi, but my multi points are still gone.
Post by: Mfowl on April 13, 2023, 09:17:10 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 13, 2023, 09:28:19 AM
You definitely do not get your points back if you do not purchase an MS tag once drawn. You do not lose them if you purchase a leftover after the July 31st deadline. I've never heard of anyone returning an MS tag after the special draw period. Pretty sure you are locked in at that point just like you can't change your weapon choice if you put in for draws already. I can't see dfw refunding anyone on MS tags.
Correct. DFW loves their revenue like a fat kid loves ice cream
Post by: buckfvr on April 13, 2023, 09:32:46 AM
Post by: dilleytech on April 16, 2023, 07:43:19 AM
Out of all the guys I know who live around here this is the first time absolutely none of us have put in for multi-deer. From our point of view, its just totally not worth it. I havent had one for 2 previous years.
To me being able to hunt deer all fall and into the winter and put in for multiple weapon categories in the special draw is totally worth the little the tag costs. But I like to hunt a lot.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 16, 2023, 10:46:39 AM
My deer/elk choices are basically OIL at this point. MS tag might improve the draw odds by .01% and allows some choice of weapon for any tag.
Post by: Rigby416 on April 16, 2023, 02:39:53 PM
Post by: grade-creek-rd on April 17, 2023, 10:20:18 AM
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Post by: goldenhtr on April 17, 2023, 06:57:20 PM
One benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...That is what I was thinking, you get to put in for all 3 weapon choices, + 2nd deer choices for each weapon and in my case 65+ for each weapon.
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Multi-season tag holders can apply for special hunts for all three weapon types. Elk Multi-season tag holders are eligible to apply for special hunts on both sides of Washington state.
Post by: Shooter4 on April 18, 2023, 11:39:29 AM
One benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Post by: dilleytech on April 18, 2023, 12:15:44 PM
One benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 18, 2023, 12:30:57 PM
That's the way I have always understood it, but I was just thinking the other day "Why would it matter? If I buy a rifle elk tag, I have to turn my "regular" tag in in order to get the one I drew, right?" (I honestly don't know... :dunno: in 22 years of applying I have never drawn a quality tag.... :P)
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2023, 12:41:46 PM
Post by: dilleytech on April 18, 2023, 12:54:57 PM
So (just so I have this straight), I cannot buy a rifle elk tag and put in for a muzzleloader special draw, right? ...or vice-versa...
That's the way I have always understood it, but I was just thinking the other day "Why would it matter? If I buy a rifle elk tag, I have to turn my "regular" tag in in order to get the one I drew, right?" (I honestly don't know... :dunno: in 22 years of applying I have never drawn a quality tag.... :P)
Correct, if you all ready purchased a rifle elk tag and drew the multi elk you need to go into a store turn ing your elk tag and purchase and receive the multi tag. 22 years sis a long time you should put in for some easier tags to draw.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 18, 2023, 01:03:23 PM
So (just so I have this straight), I cannot buy a rifle elk tag and put in for a muzzleloader special draw, right? ...or vice-versa...
That's the way I have always understood it, but I was just thinking the other day "Why would it matter? If I buy a rifle elk tag, I have to turn my "regular" tag in in order to get the one I drew, right?" (I honestly don't know... :dunno: in 22 years of applying I have never drawn a quality tag.... :P)
Correct, if you all ready purchased a rifle elk tag and drew the multi elk you need to go into a store turn ing your elk tag and purchase and receive the multi tag. 22 years sis a long time you should put in for some easier tags to draw.
Fair criticism for the elk tag. I live in the Blues, so I've been trying to draw one of the tags here. I have tried putting in for every weapon at one point or another. At this point, I'll keep trying... I know the area and it's right out my back door.
Not a fair criticism for Quality Deer. I want a decent mule deer tag anywhere north central. The ones I put in for shouldn't be this hard to get. I just have %$#@ luck in the draws. I put in for the Blue Mountain Foothills Whitetail Tag in the buck category. I know a lot of guys that have drawn that tag 3 or 4 times since I've lived here. I drew it once... with 14 points. WDFW just really hates my Wild ID# I think....
Post by: dilleytech on April 18, 2023, 01:35:05 PM
So (just so I have this straight), I cannot buy a rifle elk tag and put in for a muzzleloader special draw, right? ...or vice-versa...
That's the way I have always understood it, but I was just thinking the other day "Why would it matter? If I buy a rifle elk tag, I have to turn my "regular" tag in in order to get the one I drew, right?" (I honestly don't know... :dunno: in 22 years of applying I have never drawn a quality tag.... :P)
Correct, if you all ready purchased a rifle elk tag and drew the multi elk you need to go into a store turn ing your elk tag and purchase and receive the multi tag. 22 years sis a long time you should put in for some easier tags to draw.
Fair criticism for the elk tag. I live in the Blues, so I've been trying to draw one of the tags here. I have tried putting in for every weapon at one point or another. At this point, I'll keep trying... I know the area and it's right out my back door.
Not a fair criticism for Quality Deer. I want a decent mule deer tag anywhere north central. The ones I put in for shouldn't be this hard to get. I just have %$#@ luck in the draws. I put in for the Blue Mountain Foothills Whitetail Tag in the buck category. I know a lot of guys that have drawn that tag 3 or 4 times since I've lived here. I drew it once... with 14 points. WDFW just really hates my Wild ID# I think....
That makes sense as long as you understand why you’re not elk hunting.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 18, 2023, 02:02:13 PM
So (just so I have this straight), I cannot buy a rifle elk tag and put in for a muzzleloader special draw, right? ...or vice-versa...
That's the way I have always understood it, but I was just thinking the other day "Why would it matter? If I buy a rifle elk tag, I have to turn my "regular" tag in in order to get the one I drew, right?" (I honestly don't know... :dunno: in 22 years of applying I have never drawn a quality tag.... :P)
Correct, if you all ready purchased a rifle elk tag and drew the multi elk you need to go into a store turn ing your elk tag and purchase and receive the multi tag. 22 years sis a long time you should put in for some easier tags to draw.
Fair criticism for the elk tag. I live in the Blues, so I've been trying to draw one of the tags here. I have tried putting in for every weapon at one point or another. At this point, I'll keep trying... I know the area and it's right out my back door.
Not a fair criticism for Quality Deer. I want a decent mule deer tag anywhere north central. The ones I put in for shouldn't be this hard to get. I just have %$#@ luck in the draws. I put in for the Blue Mountain Foothills Whitetail Tag in the buck category. I know a lot of guys that have drawn that tag 3 or 4 times since I've lived here. I drew it once... with 14 points. WDFW just really hates my Wild ID# I think....
That makes sense as long as you understand why you’re not elk hunting.
...at this point (actually, 22 of them), I'm too deep down the rabbit hole to see a way out... :rolleyes:
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 18, 2023, 05:40:30 PM
Post by: Shooter4 on April 18, 2023, 09:29:13 PM
Do you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
Post by: dilleytech on April 19, 2023, 01:00:34 PM
Do you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 19, 2023, 01:09:34 PM
Do you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
When you calculate your own draw odds, are you taking the number of applicants in the hunting reg and dividing it by the number of tags?
Post by: Shooter4 on April 19, 2023, 03:22:07 PM
Gohunts reliable and easier lolDo you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on April 19, 2023, 05:21:38 PM
Post by: dilleytech on April 20, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
Gohunts reliable and easier lolDo you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
And an unnecessary cost.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 20, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
Gohunts reliable and easier lolDo you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
And an unnecessary cost.
I'm actually not sure how anyone without insider information can know the actual "odds" of drawing a particular hunt. There might be 100 people putting in for 10 tags, but how do you know how many points each person has? I may be one of 300 people putting in for 6 elk tags, but my name doesn't just go in the hat once, it goes in the hat 441 times... I have no idea how many points the other 300 dudes are squaring....
Does GOHUNT have that info? (I don't know, I'm not a member...) :dunno:
Post by: Shooter4 on April 20, 2023, 11:20:01 AM
yes it breaks down all of that for instance the huckleberry moose tag a guy with 3 pts drewGohunts reliable and easier lolDo you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
And an unnecessary cost.
I'm actually not sure how anyone without insider information can know the actual "odds" of drawing a particular hunt. There might be 100 people putting in for 10 tags, but how do you know how many points each person has? I may be one of 300 people putting in for 6 elk tags, but my name doesn't just go in the hat once, it goes in the hat 441 times... I have no idea how many points the other 300 dudes are squaring....
Does GOHUNT have that info? (I don't know, I'm not a member...) :dunno:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 20, 2023, 11:24:04 AM
I guess that's what you're paying for then. So, can I put "my" points in and figure out my actually drawing odds with X amount of points?yes it breaks down all of that for instance the huckleberry moose tag a guy with 3 pts drewGohunts reliable and easier lolDo you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
And an unnecessary cost.
I'm actually not sure how anyone without insider information can know the actual "odds" of drawing a particular hunt. There might be 100 people putting in for 10 tags, but how do you know how many points each person has? I may be one of 300 people putting in for 6 elk tags, but my name doesn't just go in the hat once, it goes in the hat 441 times... I have no idea how many points the other 300 dudes are squaring....
Does GOHUNT have that info? (I don't know, I'm not a member...) :dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on April 20, 2023, 11:44:30 AM
I guess that's what you're paying for then. So, can I put "my" points in and figure out my actually drawing odds with X amount of points?yes it breaks down all of that for instance the huckleberry moose tag a guy with 3 pts drewGohunts reliable and easier lolDo you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
And an unnecessary cost.
I'm actually not sure how anyone without insider information can know the actual "odds" of drawing a particular hunt. There might be 100 people putting in for 10 tags, but how do you know how many points each person has? I may be one of 300 people putting in for 6 elk tags, but my name doesn't just go in the hat once, it goes in the hat 441 times... I have no idea how many points the other 300 dudes are squaring....
Does GOHUNT have that info? (I don't know, I'm not a member...) :dunno:
They use the previous year's data for their odds so they are really just educated guesses. I use GoHunt for my research but know that what they present as draw percentages are more just to gauge what that particular tag took to draw in the past
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 20, 2023, 11:58:49 AM
Post by: Shooter4 on April 20, 2023, 01:09:14 PM
yeah you canI guess that's what you're paying for then. So, can I put "my" points in and figure out my actually drawing odds with X amount of points?yes it breaks down all of that for instance the huckleberry moose tag a guy with 3 pts drewGohunts reliable and easier lolDo you have GOHUNT?.. if not you should get it and see for yourselfOne benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...With a .01% chance 😂
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Thankfully the tags odds aren’t that bad for most units or no body would bother any more.
You don’t need gohunt to calculate draw odds. When I put in for tags I look for draws with more like 10% or higher. People putting in for tags that are under 1% draw odds are crazy or just don’t like to hunt lol
And an unnecessary cost.
I'm actually not sure how anyone without insider information can know the actual "odds" of drawing a particular hunt. There might be 100 people putting in for 10 tags, but how do you know how many points each person has? I may be one of 300 people putting in for 6 elk tags, but my name doesn't just go in the hat once, it goes in the hat 441 times... I have no idea how many points the other 300 dudes are squaring....
Does GOHUNT have that info? (I don't know, I'm not a member...) :dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on April 20, 2023, 01:54:53 PM
So, if GOHUNT says that I have a .01% chance of drawing my elk tag, that is assuming that my name is only going "in the hat" once?
No, you put in there how many points you have for that particular species, category etc so it calculates that as well. I use the draw trends feature probably more than anything. It helps me see the true point creep of the unit
Post by: goldenhtr on April 20, 2023, 04:24:09 PM
One benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...That is what I was thinking, you get to put in for all 3 weapon choices, + 2nd deer choices for each weapon and in my case 65+ for each weapon.
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Multi-season tag holders can apply for special hunts for all three weapon types. Elk Multi-season tag holders are eligible to apply for special hunts on both sides of Washington state.
So I just spoke to WDFW and got clarification on the MS tag. You still only get 4 choices, in my case deer, but they can be for any weapon, but still only 4 choices. BTW, I was told that if i'm not drawn for the tag I want I can return my MS deer tag and get a full refund AND my points back as long as it's at least 2 weeks before the start of the season.
Post by: Mtnwalker on April 20, 2023, 04:28:33 PM
One benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...That is what I was thinking, you get to put in for all 3 weapon choices, + 2nd deer choices for each weapon and in my case 65+ for each weapon.
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Multi-season tag holders can apply for special hunts for all three weapon types. Elk Multi-season tag holders are eligible to apply for special hunts on both sides of Washington state.
So I just spoke to WDFW and got clarification on the MS tag. You still only get 4 choices, in my case deer, but they can be for any weapon, but still only 4 choices. BTW, I was told that if i'm not drawn for the tag I want I can return my MS deer tag and get a full refund AND my points back as long as it's at least 2 weeks before the start of the season.
Boy gotta love good ol' wdfw, I drew MS elk and deer last year and was told I could not turn the MS tag back in for a refund after purchasing. :chuckle: :bash:
Post by: bobcat on April 20, 2023, 04:40:19 PM
One benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...That is what I was thinking, you get to put in for all 3 weapon choices, + 2nd deer choices for each weapon and in my case 65+ for each weapon.
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Multi-season tag holders can apply for special hunts for all three weapon types. Elk Multi-season tag holders are eligible to apply for special hunts on both sides of Washington state.
So I just spoke to WDFW and got clarification on the MS tag. You still only get 4 choices, in my case deer, but they can be for any weapon, but still only 4 choices. BTW, I was told that if i'm not drawn for the tag I want I can return my MS deer tag and get a full refund AND my points back as long as it's at least 2 weeks before the start of the season.
You only get two choices on the Quality deer application. Multi-season tag doesn't change anything as far as number of choices you have. And, I would get a second opinion on turning the multi-season tag in for point restoration. Doesn't sound right to me.
Post by: goldenhtr on April 20, 2023, 05:19:44 PM
One benefit of buying the multi-season tag before applying for quality draws is the ability to put in for a quality hunt area for multiple chances to draw...my example is if you really want an Entiat quality permit then you can put in for the modern firearm permit and the archery permit using your two options for the quality application for one unit...That is what I was thinking, you get to put in for all 3 weapon choices, + 2nd deer choices for each weapon and in my case 65+ for each weapon.
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Multi-season tag holders can apply for special hunts for all three weapon types. Elk Multi-season tag holders are eligible to apply for special hunts on both sides of Washington state.
So I just spoke to WDFW and got clarification on the MS tag. You still only get 4 choices, in my case deer, but they can be for any weapon, but still only 4 choices. BTW, I was told that if i'm not drawn for the tag I want I can return my MS deer tag and get a full refund AND my points back as long as it's at least 2 weeks before the start of the season.
You only get two choices on the Quality deer application. Multi-season tag doesn't change anything as far as number of choices you have. And, I would get a second opinion on turning the multi-season tag in for point restoration. Doesn't sound right to me.
Yes, quality deer is only 2 choices, BUT all other applications are 4 choices. I'm just telling you guys what I was told an hour ago, but yes after reading some of the other replies I agree on the second opinion. Although I don't intend on returning my tag regardless. My hunting buddy just had shoulder surgery and cant bow hunt this year so we are going back to MZ, while my son still wants to bow hunt, so I can do both now. We'll see where next year takes us.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on April 21, 2023, 10:07:45 AM
So, if GOHUNT says that I have a .01% chance of drawing my elk tag, that is assuming that my name is only going "in the hat" once?
No, you put in there how many points you have for that particular species, category etc so it calculates that as well. I use the draw trends feature probably more than anything. It helps me see the true point creep of the unit
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Gohunt just for washington is likely not worth the dollars as the draw is too random to give truly accurate predictions for a given permit, unit, or year. However it can be valuable for wa trends, and saves tons of time (unfortunately) if applying in multiple states and areas within them.
I look at multi season as an opportunity to get more chances to hunt, but dont know many folks who truly get to use their multi and permit points in conjuction in a given year. I personally dont know anyone who has had that kind of luck, unless straight point dumping.
Post by: Farmer72 on April 21, 2023, 10:22:43 AM
So, if GOHUNT says that I have a .01% chance of drawing my elk tag, that is assuming that my name is only going "in the hat" once?
No, you put in there how many points you have for that particular species, category etc so it calculates that as well. I use the draw trends feature probably more than anything. It helps me see the true point creep of the unit
:yeah:
Gohunt just for washington is likely not worth the dollars as the draw is too random to give truly accurate predictions for a given permit, unit, or year. However it can be valuable for wa trends, and saves tons of time (unfortunately) if applying in multiple states and areas within them.
I look at multi season as an opportunity to get more chances to hunt, but dont know many folks who truly get to use their multi and permit points in conjuction in a given year. I personally dont know anyone who has had that kind of luck, unless straight point dumping.
It can happen but the odds are probably crazy. I had it happen for elk in 2021 where I drew multi and then Quality elk. I had more points for Multi elk than I should have to draw and less than I should have for the Quality tag. Again I feel I had crazy luck that year. You may not know me personally but we have met when I bought a bow from you last year. :tung:
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on April 21, 2023, 10:29:00 AM
I understand it can/does happen. And when it does its sweet!! Great bull as well on that tag!!!
Post by: Farmer72 on April 21, 2023, 10:31:58 AM
Awesome! I remember ya :hello:
I understand it can/does happen. And when it does its sweet!! Great bull as well on that tag!!!
I agree with you the chances of the stars aligning to draw both even with a lot of point is crazy slim.