Post by: 7mmfan on May 02, 2023, 09:35:41 AM
I've been planning on upgrading to a 3/4 ton for some time now, but I'm having a hard time stomaching the 50-60k for a good used rig. I've been considering looking for a 6.0-6.2L newer half ton, but frankly, they aren't much cheaper, mid-high 40's.
Other than higher payload in the 3/4 ton, is there a reason to go with one over a 6.2 half ton? Most of my towing is pretty lightweight in the big scheme of things. 4000# travel trailer, someday a 19-22' aluminum boat.
I know this is a can of worms, just wanting to get opinions from people with more experience than me.
Post by: 300rum on May 02, 2023, 09:41:37 AM
I probably should have added more...
Much better braking systems on the 3/4 tons.
Better Transmission cooling systems.
Better suspension.
Half Ton pickups just aren't built to tow or handle much.
Post by: Westside88 on May 02, 2023, 09:45:41 AM
Post by: 300rum on May 02, 2023, 09:52:11 AM
I have a 2009 GMC 3/4 ton with the 6.0 gas engine, love the truck, my daughter drives it now and I use it for hay and the dump trailer.
I tow everything else, GN Horse Trailer and 32' camp trailer, with a new GMC Diesel.
I tow 4+ times a week.
It's not the engine that's most important, its being able to get it to stop. Half tons just don't have the brakes. When it's 90 degrees and you are at elevation going up or down hill, it's nice to have a good transmission cooler.
Post by: Stein on May 02, 2023, 09:57:42 AM
For a 19' boat or even larger you're still fine. My 18' is about 3k. If you end up with a heavy 22' and don't like the way it tows, then upgrade at that time, to me it doesn't make sense to spend more on fuel and a worse ride for years in the hopes that something might happen in the future.
Post by: Skillet on May 02, 2023, 10:25:05 AM
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Post by: Angry Perch on May 02, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on May 02, 2023, 11:06:18 AM
I agree on the 1/2 ton based on your expected towing, and no need for a big motor. I think where you are towing is nearly as important as what you're towing as well.
I currently own a 2008 Silverado with the 5.3 in it. I'm approaching 225,000 miles. I've noticed that the power is fading some and I've specifically noticed that it gets hot even in moderate temperatures when towing my trailer, I guess that was part of my thought process in looking for a vehicle more meant for towing that would likely handle it better. I probably just need to make sure whatever I buy has a transmission cooler.
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 02, 2023, 11:12:01 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on May 02, 2023, 11:15:48 AM
My dad just had to dump a ton of money into his f150. The mechanic said it was from towing his camp trailer, which is well within the tow rating of his truck. His words were "just because it can doesn't mean it should". Other than the towing, I've always been under the impression that 3/4 tons hold up better on bumpy roads etc just due to beefier components. Back when my buddies all had 1/2 tons we'd go through front ends like crazy. Maybe we're just nicer to our rigs now but I don't think that's the case as mine has been rode hard and put away wet. :dunno: I'm no gearhead though
In my past experience, bumpy roads is exactly where you (and your kidneys, fillings, etc.) don't want a 3/4 ton, although I think they are much improved in the ride department these days.
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 02, 2023, 11:27:38 AM
My dad just had to dump a ton of money into his f150. The mechanic said it was from towing his camp trailer, which is well within the tow rating of his truck. His words were "just because it can doesn't mean it should". Other than the towing, I've always been under the impression that 3/4 tons hold up better on bumpy roads etc just due to beefier components. Back when my buddies all had 1/2 tons we'd go through front ends like crazy. Maybe we're just nicer to our rigs now but I don't think that's the case as mine has been rode hard and put away wet. :dunno: I'm no gearhead though
In my past experience, bumpy roads is exactly where you (and your kidneys, fillings, etc.) don't want a 3/4 ton, although I think they are much improved in the ride department these days.
For an occasional trip a 1/2 certainly rides nicer, although like you said the newer 3/4 tons ride nice now too. But when you're racking up a lot of miles on mountain roads like we were we'd shake the 1/2 tons apart constantly. Fords, Chevy's, didn't matter. Maybe the new ones are better, I haven't owned one in years. I use my trucks pretty hard and I personally would rather have a 3/4 ton working at 60% capacity vs a 1/2 working at 90% capacity over the long term
Post by: jrebel on May 02, 2023, 11:46:44 AM
If you go for a dodge diesel, I would look at the 1 ton just to get the aisin transmission. As a point of reference, my brother in law's 1/2 ton ford cost as much as my 1 ton dodge. I don't have leather and all the fancy jazzz....but It is still a very nice and comfortable ride. I get as good of fuel economy as my wife's 2015 4runner and it will tow anything. Only reason I would not buy a diesel at this point, is if I were only using it for city stop and go driving. The new DEF systems do not like stop and go driving all the time....you have to get them out and run them. If I were doing a lot of city driving I would go with a 3/4 or 1 ton gasser and just know that fuel bill is going to hurt.
Just my two cents.....which is exactly what most internet advice is worth. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: b23 on May 02, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
If this is your daily driver and you don't really have a need for a HD or SD type truck but still want something that has pretty good power and is capable of hauling/towing a few things the 1/2 ton GM trucks with the 6.2 and 10 speed are a good choice. My dad and one of my best friends both have F150's with the HO 3.5 and 10 speed trans and they're very happy with those too.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 02, 2023, 12:05:06 PM
Post by: Stein on May 02, 2023, 12:17:25 PM
I agree on the 1/2 ton based on your expected towing, and no need for a big motor. I think where you are towing is nearly as important as what you're towing as well.
I currently own a 2008 Silverado with the 5.3 in it. I'm approaching 225,000 miles. I've noticed that the power is fading some and I've specifically noticed that it gets hot even in moderate temperatures when towing my trailer, I guess that was part of my thought process in looking for a vehicle more meant for towing that would likely handle it better. I probably just need to make sure whatever I buy has a transmission cooler.
Trucks have changed a ton since 2008, they pull night and day better. Way more torque, better cooling, better transmissions, better suspension. I have an older 5.3 Chevy and a 2016 F-150 5.0. They are night and day different in just about every way.
Of course, there are always people that think you need a chipped dually with upgraded springs to pull a hooky bob, but at 4,000 pounds, you wouldn't even be half of the rated towing limit for just about every model and not even 1/3 of the model with the highest tow capacity.
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2023, 01:01:10 PM
My dad just had to dump a ton of money into his f150. The mechanic said it was from towing his camp trailer, which is well within the tow rating of his truck. His words were "just because it can doesn't mean it should". Other than the towing, I've always been under the impression that 3/4 tons hold up better on bumpy roads etc just due to beefier components. Back when my buddies all had 1/2 tons we'd go through front ends like crazy. Maybe we're just nicer to our rigs now but I don't think that's the case as mine has been rode hard and put away wet. :dunno: I'm no gearhead though
Curious to know what was wrong with his truck that led the mechanic to say that.
I haven’t done much front end work at all with newer F150’s. I mean ball joints, tie rods etc. in say 2015 or newer trucks. Can’t say the same for super duty.
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2023, 01:04:44 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on May 02, 2023, 01:18:01 PM
You can buy the right F150 that’s got a 13k pound tow rating. That’s designed to pull it and designed to stop it. They don’t put tow ratings on trucks just based on their ability to pull. Braking is always considered as well.
I agree with this, even with it being a Ford. :tup:
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2023, 02:16:45 PM
You can buy the right F150 that’s got a 13k pound tow rating. That’s designed to pull it and designed to stop it. They don’t put tow ratings on trucks just based on their ability to pull. Braking is always considered as well.
I agree with this, even with it being a Ford. :tup:
It was just an example.
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2023, 02:18:24 PM
Post by: b23 on May 02, 2023, 02:48:30 PM
I'll say that if we're talking Fords, there's literally no point in buying a 6.2 V8. It's a massive gas hog and doesn't do too much for you for towing. The biggest tow-rated F150 you can get comes with the 3.5 Ecoboost engine.
Doesn't Ford have a new 6.8 V8 coming out that's kind of a direct replacement to the 6.2 they used to have?
Wonder why the Ford 6.2 was always so hard on fuel compared to the GM 6.2 Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying my GMC 6.2 makes gas but it's not real hard on fuel either. Depending on how fast I'm driving mine does between 16-18 on the freeway.
Post by: Mudman on May 02, 2023, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 03, 2023, 09:19:29 AM
I'll say that if we're talking Fords, there's literally no point in buying a 6.2 V8. It's a massive gas hog and doesn't do too much for you for towing. The biggest tow-rated F150 you can get comes with the 3.5 Ecoboost engine.
Doesn't Ford have a new 6.8 V8 coming out that's kind of a direct replacement to the 6.2 they used to have?
Wonder why the Ford 6.2 was always so hard on fuel compared to the GM 6.2 Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying my GMC 6.2 makes gas but it's not real hard on fuel either. Depending on how fast I'm driving mine does between 16-18 on the freeway.
400hp pushrod V8 along the same lines as the 7.3 gas engine
No idea how much difference it makes, but that GM 6.2 has eco mode and a 10 speed trans. I’m sure those things help.
Post by: b23 on May 03, 2023, 09:26:23 AM
I'll say that if we're talking Fords, there's literally no point in buying a 6.2 V8. It's a massive gas hog and doesn't do too much for you for towing. The biggest tow-rated F150 you can get comes with the 3.5 Ecoboost engine.
Doesn't Ford have a new 6.8 V8 coming out that's kind of a direct replacement to the 6.2 they used to have?
Wonder why the Ford 6.2 was always so hard on fuel compared to the GM 6.2 Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying my GMC 6.2 makes gas but it's not real hard on fuel either. Depending on how fast I'm driving mine does between 16-18 on the freeway.
400hp pushrod V8 along the same lines as the 7.3 gas engine
No idea how much difference it makes, but that GM 6.2 has eco mode and a 10 speed trans. I’m sure those things help.
Read a little about Ford's new 6.8 and it sounds like it's just a slightly smaller version of the 7.3
Post by: Special T on May 03, 2023, 09:55:43 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on May 03, 2023, 11:31:42 AM
I would also wait a little bit. It seems tha with increased interest rates new car inventory is starting to stack up. you might get a pretty good deal if you wait 4 months.
This for sure. I've been watching the market for some time, lots of trucks starting to stack up out there.