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Title: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Fullabull on June 13, 2023, 11:32:11 AM
Received the following from the RMEF regarding new legislation in WA about how the future looks for hunting and fishing in WA.

This is the draft Policy:
https://publicinput.com/Customer/File/Full/f6c67e86-de78-4e39-808d-67330492aa87

RMEF response: https://www.rmef.org/take-action/#/53

Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on June 13, 2023, 11:44:16 AM
"WDFW actions and decisions shall be based on objective, sciencebased knowledge"

So why did they take the spring bear season away????
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: dvolmer on June 13, 2023, 11:51:08 AM
This isnt the beginning of the end. The beginning started quite some time ago and will continue until hunting has been abolished in this state (and it will eventually be abolished mark my word on that.  Not next year but in 20-50 years it will be abolished).  In the next 5-10 years you will be voting on bans of all hunting and trapping in this state.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: ganghis on June 13, 2023, 12:18:24 PM
That RMEF link is cool - there's a link there for sending an auto-populated comment to the commission that makes it super easy.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: hunter399 on June 13, 2023, 12:24:35 PM
The commission thinks there kings at the round table or something.
Old inslee set it up that way.
Pack the court.
Now all these nature ,non hunting freaks go to the meeting.
Give them little snacks,drinks,donuts.
The commission just throws us under the bus for snack time.
Crazy times we live in.
Calling it out as I see it.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Stein on June 13, 2023, 12:31:36 PM
I don't see how you can read those seven principles and not add them all up to the end of recreational hunting and fishing as we know it.  Maybe you can shoot a duck or fish for a stocker trout, but it's not going to look anything like it even does now.

Of course, this assumes future governors don't throw it out, but the current trajectory is horrible.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: bobcat on June 13, 2023, 12:38:11 PM
I guarantee they're eventually going to go with "science" that says there are no excess deer and elk for us to harvest, because they are a major part of the wolves, bears, and cougar's diet.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: fowl smacker on June 13, 2023, 12:42:19 PM
I guess then we'll have to hunt and fish like the early civilizations did it, just for food to survive.  The government just won't be making any money off of us for it at that point.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: mcrawfordaf on June 13, 2023, 12:45:15 PM
I sent in the canned response via RMEF. Thanks for the link.

I put a lot of effort into getting people to speak up about Spring Bear season last year. After all that, and all the organizations input (HOWL, INWWC etc.) and it still failing - its very demoralizing that the hits just keep coming.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 13, 2023, 12:54:33 PM
We’re seeing it happen right now, closing the rivers to fishing in boats then just closing them all together, for no reason.. horrible times
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: HillHound on June 13, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
I guess then we'll have to hunt and fish like the early civilizations did it, just for food to survive.  The government just won't be making any money off of us for it at that point.
:yeah:
Yep either that’s gonna happen or people are going to be calling Fish and game constantly to come pick up their “property”, since it’s obviously not a resource anymore, that had to be killed attacking their pets and children. Crops will be destroyed, or our tax dollars will be paid to A professional to cull these animals and put them in the dump, and the others that don’t die from disease will end up hit on the side of the road. These crazy animal rights activist are just like that little girl who just loves her stuffed animal so much she just hugs it and squeezes it so tight it’s head pops right off. They’re gonna love our animals right into extinction  :bash: :bash:
I sure hope some of these commission members have to first hand deal with some of the negative outcomes if this decision goes through. Wouldn’t ever wish anybody being attacked by a bear cougar or wolf but if somebody were to I would much rather it be somebody who made the decision to let them run rampant

Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: dvolmer on June 13, 2023, 01:16:02 PM
Just look at our hunting opportunities in the last 5-7 years go in the toilet. Just look at the special permit quota cuts in the last 5-7 years. It is going down hill quickly like a snowball rolling down a steep hill and will do nothing but get bigger and gain more momentum.  Look at spring bear. Spring bear is just an early example of what is going to happen to the rest of it. Doesn’t matter what the true science says. They will twist it to fit their narrative.  I’m not positive, but I think it’s less than 5% of Washington residents actually hunt. We will have no say in the matter. You might think I’m a pessimist or conspiracy theory kind of guy but I’m not. It’s just what is going to happen. Just look how they have made people being a member of NRA look. Like terrorists and evil. Sorry to say, there isn’t that much you can do about it either. Look at all the effort put on folks fighting for spring bear. We had the facts and the science on our side and how did we fare? 
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: elkrack on June 13, 2023, 01:21:37 PM
The day they try and end hunting in this state is the day I become a non law abiding citizen 🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: RB on June 13, 2023, 01:23:10 PM
I guarantee they're eventually going to go with "science" that says there are no excess deer and elk for us to harvest, because they are a major part of the wolves, bears, and cougar's diet.

 :yeah:
And can't hike the mountains because that will disrupt the Grizzly Bears too!
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 13, 2023, 01:24:14 PM
These people care nothing about conservation. They care about control and they're exercising it every chance they get.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Elkpiss on June 13, 2023, 01:25:08 PM
Its SAD, were doomed..   Plant more fish and kill more predator's.. pretty easy solution really, but after reading that were doomed.  Climate change was said several times just a bunch of key democrat words were used.. were doomed. so sad. Ecosystem.. 

Once they close hunting and fishing we have to start identifying as "wolfs" and "sealions" ,  Who wants to go moose hunting? you cant do that, yes i can i am a wolf..  Lets go steelhead and springer fishing, you cant do that, yes i can i am sealion...  Boom.... problem solved boys...   we can hunt and fish anytime we want soon as this goes through....  :IBCOOL:  We will have to start our own wolf packs and sealion pods
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: dreamingbig on June 13, 2023, 01:30:14 PM
Not to be overlooked… the commission has already successfully reduce permit levels despite SCIENCE showing populations have not declined to the levels needed to justify the cuts.

My only conclusion is they know they are taking away hunting opportunities by reducing permit levels and with little impact to revenue because the license has to be purchased (quality elk being the biggest example).


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Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: RC on June 13, 2023, 02:44:09 PM
I guarantee they're eventually going to go with "science" that says there are no excess deer and elk for us to harvest, because they are a major part of the wolves, bears, and cougar's diet.

 :yeah:
And can't hike the mountains because that will disrupt the Grizzly Bears too!

Or pick a huckleberry, as that will be one less for a bear to eat.  I really wouldn't be surprised if it went that far at some point.

I know the deck is stacked against us, but I will still be sending an email. 
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: GOcougsHunter on June 13, 2023, 03:29:30 PM
If you all remember, the initial 25 year draft plan initially made it forbidden to walk anywhere outside of an established trail or road or camp anywhere on WDFW lands that wasn't specifically designated as a camping area.  Then we pointed out that mushroom picking does not occur on the trail nor does berry picking or antler gathering and how are they going to reconcile those activities?  They struck that information, but, as everyone has pointed out here... the devil will be in the details.  Every typo and use of a special word in their formal plan really does mean something here and needs to be vetted.  This is big. 
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on June 13, 2023, 05:14:21 PM
Nope they will just continue to reduce seasons and permits. The State makes way to much money to end this cash cow.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: chukar58 on June 13, 2023, 05:32:45 PM
The state could really care less about the revenue generated from hunting and fishing licenses and special permits and already are looking to replace the revenue stream with something else.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Platensek-po on June 13, 2023, 05:39:12 PM
The state could really care less about the revenue generated from hunting and fishing licenses and special permits and already are looking to replace the revenue stream with something else.
:yeah:

They will start asking for permits for mushroom picking, walking your dog on public land, salmon watching, beaver petting etc
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: highcountry_hunter on June 13, 2023, 05:52:11 PM
The day they try and end hunting in this state is the day I become a non law abiding citizen
Yep. I’ll continue to fight the good fight against them will all I have. However, I’ve been rifle hunting deer the 2nd weekend in October since I was 8 years old and I plan on continuing hunting deer the 2nd weekend in October until I can’t hike anymore.


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Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Cougartail on June 13, 2023, 05:56:34 PM
The state could really care less about the revenue generated from hunting and fishing licenses and special permits and already are looking to replace the revenue stream with something else.
:yeah:

They will start asking for permits for mushroom picking, walking your dog on public land, salmon watching, beaver petting etc

I won't pay to pet a beaver but I certainly will to watch someone try to pet one!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 13, 2023, 06:02:52 PM
Its SAD, were doomed..   Plant more fish and kill more predator's.. pretty easy solution really, but after reading that were doomed.  Climate change was said several times just a bunch of key democrat words were used.. were doomed. so sad. Ecosystem.. 

Once they close hunting and fishing we have to start identifying as "wolfs" and "sealions" ,  Who wants to go moose hunting? you cant do that, yes i can i am a wolf..  Lets go steelhead and springer fishing, you cant do that, yes i can i am sealion...  Boom.... problem solved boys...   we can hunt and fish anytime we want soon as this goes through....  :IBCOOL:  We will have to start our own wolf packs and sealion pods


I already identify as an OLD GREY woof.  I'm in.  :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 13, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
The state could really care less about the revenue generated from hunting and fishing licenses and special permits and already are looking to replace the revenue stream with something else.
:yeah:

They will start asking for permits for mushroom picking, walking your dog on public land, salmon watching, beaver petting etc


Paying to pet a beaver is illegal.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on June 13, 2023, 06:35:25 PM
The state could really care less about the revenue generated from hunting and fishing licenses and special permits and already are looking to replace the revenue stream with something else.
This state will squeeze money out of anything and everything. From WDFW revenue from hunting and fishing license was 57 million in addition to the states revenue federal excise tax on hunting equipment generated 8.3 million and sales of fishing gear brought in another 21 million.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: huntnfmly on June 13, 2023, 06:35:38 PM
The state could really care less about the revenue generated from hunting and fishing licenses and special permits and already are looking to replace the revenue stream with something else.
:yeah:

They will start asking for permits for mushroom picking, walking your dog on public land, salmon watching, beaver petting etc


Paying to pet a beaver is illegal.  :chuckle:

😂😂
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on June 13, 2023, 06:52:28 PM
 :yeah:
Not to be overlooked… the commission has already successfully reduce permit levels despite SCIENCE showing populations have not declined to the levels needed to justify the cuts.

My only conclusion is they know they are taking away hunting opportunities by reducing permit levels and with little impact to revenue because the license has to be purchased (quality elk being the biggest example).


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Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Limhangerslayer on June 13, 2023, 07:01:25 PM
I guarantee they're eventually going to go with "science" that says there are no excess deer and elk for us to harvest, because they are a major part of the wolves, bears, and cougar's diet.
it’s already that way with bull permits.  They only offer enough to keep us buying permits going for that one in a million chance we draw something.  And it’s only getting worse
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: jstone on June 13, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
This is what happens to everything that is run by people who don’t know what they are doing.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: highcountry_hunter on June 13, 2023, 08:06:16 PM
Wasn’t there a movement a few years ago to split the state in two, right down the Cascades? That would have really came in handy about now if it had made it through.


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Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: bugs n bones on June 14, 2023, 06:33:45 AM
 :yeah:
These people care nothing about conservation. They care about control and they're exercising it every chance they get.
bingo
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: haus on June 14, 2023, 07:25:31 AM
Well atleast they tried something, but this topic will fade into the back pages once the expected responses run their course.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 14, 2023, 07:37:24 AM
Definity a significant shift in philosophy and not a good one for hunters at all.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: RC on June 14, 2023, 08:11:03 AM
Pulled this from another site and couldn't even read all of it.  :puke:

https://wawildlifefirst.org/event/howling-for-change-a-week-of-wildlife-action/
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: RB on June 14, 2023, 08:16:42 AM
Pulled this from another site and couldn't even read all of it.  :puke:

https://wawildlifefirst.org/event/howling-for-change-a-week-of-wildlife-action/


 :yeah:

Here is one of the topics they will be discussing at their meeting,

The War on Apex Predators: Lemonade-and-Learn with Washington Wildlife First and the Mountain Lion Foundation @ West Seattle Public Library

    Time: 6:00-7:30 p.m. We will host a discussion during the first hour and stay for additional questions.

    Place: West Seattle Meeting Room, West Seattle Branch of Seattle Public Library, 2306 42nd Ave. SW, Seattle.

    Details: Come learn about how you can help stop Washington’s war on apex predators. Did you know the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife facilitates the killing of about 300 cougars a year, out of a population of only about 2,300? That it enacted new rules increasing the number of bears killed each year by 50%, even as its own biologists warned our bears are “especially sensitive to over-exploitation”? Or that it allows year-round killing of coyotes with no “bag” limits and few restrictions, a policy only 16% of Washingtonians support? Join Washington Wildlife First and the Mountain Lion Foundation to learn how you can help stop Washington’s war on apex predators. Lemonade and light snacks provided.

    Cost: Free
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2023, 08:18:27 AM
The only way to put a stop to the insanity is to vote in a conservative for governor!  :twocents:
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: fishngamereaper on June 14, 2023, 08:28:38 AM
If I was an enforcement guy I'd have to realize that my job description was eventually going to that of a park ranger/ camp host ..
So, to save my job I would find it necessary to track and trap every collared cougar and wolf in the State, take every problem bear...and release them right in the middle of the most populace/ liberal tree hugging area's in the greater 206...

You want apex predator protection....here you go...enjoy...
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: steeleywhopper on June 14, 2023, 08:44:33 AM
If I was an enforcement guy I'd have to realize that my job description was eventually going to that of a park ranger/ camp host ..
So, to save my job I would find it necessary to track and trap every collared cougar and wolf in the State, take every problem bear...and release them right in the middle of the most populace/ liberal tree hugging area's in the greater 206...

You want apex predator protection....here you go...enjoy...

I agree!
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: ducks4days on June 14, 2023, 09:00:23 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
You can register to speak virtually during the public comment period for the draft policy . For those who cant burn a day traveling to seattle, the virtual testimony is a good option.

https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw-dcpcomment?utm_campaign=wdfw_conservation_draft&utm_medium=email&utm_source=howlforwildlife
Howl.org also has a fill form to send a comment to the commission.

Everybody should at the very least take 2 min to send out a pre-formatted letter. Even better if you can speak at the meeting. The commission is making insane decisions based on feelings, we should be taking every opportunity to make them feel outnumbered by Washingtonians who think they are wrong.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: hunter399 on June 14, 2023, 09:10:41 AM
Pulled this from another site and couldn't even read all of it.  :puke:

https://wawildlifefirst.org/event/howling-for-change-a-week-of-wildlife-action/
That's what I'm talking about.
Here it's snack time.
These wildlife.org people treat the commission like it's kindergarten,and the commission laps it up like an old dog and does whatever they want.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: James on June 14, 2023, 10:45:19 AM
We all need to fight this insanity, there is still time to put comments.  Please everyone do so.

https://publicinput.com/draftconservationpolicy



Glad to see Native Americans joining the fight!
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/

Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on June 14, 2023, 11:09:57 AM
 :yeah:
The only way to put a stop to the insanity is to vote in a conservative for governor!  :twocents:
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: bracer40 on June 14, 2023, 12:51:07 PM
Comments submitted
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 14, 2023, 02:08:31 PM
I'm trying to get ahead of the curve, putting in more wildlife viewing platforms, hopefully this will add value.  Wonder if baiting will be allowed 🤔
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: KFhunter on June 14, 2023, 02:59:42 PM
:yeah:
The only way to put a stop to the insanity is to vote in a conservative for governor!  :twocents:

No matter the demographic, Washington stays blue

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-if-only-men-voted-only-women-only-nonwhite-voters/amp/

Remember two counties control the whole state, Washington is screwed.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Fullabull on June 14, 2023, 08:43:26 PM
Please pass this along to all your WA hunting buddies
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: mcrawfordaf on June 15, 2023, 10:48:54 AM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/ (https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/)

Thank you W.W.C.!!!  :tup: Along with tribal leaders speaking out this is a step in the right direction!
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: JakeLand on June 15, 2023, 12:13:31 PM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/ (https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/)

Thank you W.W.C.!!!  :tup: Along with tribal leaders speaking out this is a step in the right direction!
hell yes 👍
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: elksnout on June 15, 2023, 09:13:23 PM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/ (https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/)

Thank you W.W.C.!!!  :tup: Along with tribal leaders speaking out this is a step in the right direction!


This should be on every single person who purchases a hunting license radar. Send emails, letters, etc. Seriously guys and gals. Rubber is on the pavement.

elksnout
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: silverdalesauer on June 15, 2023, 09:37:43 PM
Copy the link and post it to your Facebook pages. Send a text to your friends with the link. Let's make this go viral. Post the link on News Channel comment sections. Post it on Instagram comments on hunting pages. Post it on chat rooms. Get it out there!
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Special T on June 15, 2023, 10:50:31 PM
Copy the link and post it to your Facebook pages. Send a text to your friends with the link. Let's make this go viral. Post the link on News Channel comment sections. Post it on Instagram comments on hunting pages. Post it on chat rooms. Get it out there!

 :tup:
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: HillHound on June 16, 2023, 08:15:27 AM
Back up to the top
Get this out there people!
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: bearpaw on June 16, 2023, 08:59:42 AM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/ (https://nwsportsmanmag.com/inslee-5-fish-and-wildlife-commissioners-sued/)

Thank you W.W.C.!!!  :tup: Along with tribal leaders speaking out this is a step in the right direction!


This should be on every single person who purchases a hunting license radar. Send emails, letters, etc. Seriously guys and gals. Rubber is on the pavement.

elksnout

 :yeah:  Anyone who cares about hunting and fishing in this state needs to get on this and support it!

Added to my company facebook page https://www.facebook.com/BearpawOutfitters, I also added to my personal page and the H-W facebook page!
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Dutchie on June 20, 2023, 08:39:18 PM
It frustrates and saddens me to read this.  They are surely trying to set it up for the eventual knockout blow.  My family raised me on hunting and fishing.  I’ve raised my 14yr old daughter and 3yr old daughter on hunting, fishing, and other outdoor activities with friends and family.  To think it wil likely be gone for future generations of my family depresses me.  I also feel that if we strip away all of the politics and bureaucracy, it’s a natural right that we have to provide for our families and teach our young ones.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: MADMAX on June 20, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Definitely sucks

Next thing you know they’ll be introducing grizzlies in North Cascades to further the agenda
Bastages
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 21, 2023, 06:05:35 AM
Thanks for providing the link. Hopefully we can nip the direction the commission is headed in the butt.
Title: Re: The beginning of the end to Hunting and Fishing in WA
Post by: mcrawfordaf on June 21, 2023, 07:54:21 AM
This may have been posted elsewhere but please don't forget to submit your public input on 24-26 hunting regulations. https://publicinput.com/i4611 (https://publicinput.com/i4611)
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