Post by: time2hunt on June 30, 2023, 12:44:48 PM
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Post by: Special T on June 30, 2023, 12:52:51 PM
I hear she may be going out the door
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Care to elaborate?
Post by: time2hunt on June 30, 2023, 12:55:51 PM
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Post by: sage rat on June 30, 2023, 12:58:51 PM
Post by: Special T on June 30, 2023, 01:01:31 PM
Judge ruled in our favor and Lorna Smith was breaking the law by holding both positions. She didn’t rule on what to do. Lawyers meeting next week to discuss options. She’ll likely just quit the other board.
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:tup:
Unfortunately that is how I figured it would work out.
Post by: Timberstalker on June 30, 2023, 01:16:24 PM
@time2hunt
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Post by: time2hunt on June 30, 2023, 01:20:06 PM
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Post by: Platensek-po on June 30, 2023, 01:33:52 PM
All of her votes during the time she held both should be null and void since it was an illegally held position.
Post by: fishngamereaper on June 30, 2023, 01:47:32 PM
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Post by: Gringo31 on June 30, 2023, 01:49:22 PM
Post by: pickardjw on June 30, 2023, 03:27:57 PM
Fantastic statement
Post by: Rainier10 on June 30, 2023, 03:32:56 PM
“Smith did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but when she does, I’ll fold it in.”
Post by: blackdog on June 30, 2023, 03:56:47 PM
Post by: saylean on June 30, 2023, 04:26:12 PM
Post by: Whitpirate on June 30, 2023, 04:34:36 PM
Post by: ASHQUACK on June 30, 2023, 04:35:30 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on June 30, 2023, 04:58:07 PM
Understand the Commission may lose Molly Linville and Lorna Smith may cure her violation as a result of this decision.
How so? Linville serves on a school board which is not county, state or municipal, therefore it doesn’t effect her.
Post by: Twispriver on June 30, 2023, 05:11:47 PM
RCW 28A.315.005
Governance structure.
(1) Under the constitutional framework and the laws of the state of Washington, the governance structure for the state's public common school system is comprised of the following bodies: The legislature, the governor, the superintendent of public instruction, the state board of education, the educational service district boards of directors, and local school district boards of directors. The respective policy and administrative roles of each body are determined by the state Constitution and statutes.
(2) Local school districts are political subdivisions of the state and the organization of such districts, including the powers, duties, and boundaries thereof, may be altered or abolished by laws of the state of Washington.
[ 2016 c 241 § 132. Prior: 2013 c 2 § 302 (Initiative Measure No. 1240, approved November 6, 2012); 1999 c 315 § 1.]
NOTES:
Effective date—2016 c 241: See RCW 28A.710.901.
Post by: huntnphool on June 30, 2023, 05:13:39 PM
RCW 28A.315.005
Governance structure.
(1) Under the constitutional framework and the laws of the state of Washington, the governance structure for the state's public common school system is comprised of the following bodies: The legislature, the governor, the superintendent of public instruction, the state board of education, the educational service district boards of directors, and local school district boards of directors. The respective policy and administrative roles of each body are determined by the state Constitution and statutes.
(2) Local school districts are political subdivisions of the state and the organization of such districts, including the powers, duties, and boundaries thereof, may be altered or abolished by laws of the state of Washington.
[ 2016 c 241 § 132. Prior: 2013 c 2 § 302 (Initiative Measure No. 1240, approved November 6, 2012); 1999 c 315 § 1.]
NOTES:
Effective date—2016 c 241: See RCW 28A.710.901.
Thanks TR :tup:
Post by: bigtex on June 30, 2023, 05:15:33 PM
Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure. Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.
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Post by: Whitpirate on June 30, 2023, 05:17:18 PM
Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure. Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.
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Brick by brick. Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?
Post by: bigtex on June 30, 2023, 05:24:26 PM
Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure. Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.
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Brick by brick. Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?
I just live in reality. Even if Smith is booted, all Inslee will do is reappoint someone exactly like her. If she stays on, nothing changes. If she stays on and her previous votes are void, the commission can re-vote and we'll likely have a similar outcome.
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Post by: Special T on June 30, 2023, 05:33:40 PM
Understand the Commission may lose Molly Linville and Lorna Smith may cure her violation as a result of this decision.
This is the likely unintended consequence of this lawsuit.
Post by: HillHound on June 30, 2023, 05:42:20 PM
I was hoping this thread was going to be about her going sky diving without a parachute :chuckle::yeah:
And may be a couple of her friends to
Post by: blackdog on June 30, 2023, 07:46:03 PM
Understand the Commission may lose Molly Linville and Lorna Smith may cure her violation as a result of this decision.
How so? Linville serves on a school board which is not county, state or municipal, therefore it doesn’t effect her.
I hope you are correct, Linville would be a huge loss.
Post by: ducks4days on July 01, 2023, 06:06:38 AM
Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure. Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.
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Brick by brick. Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?
I just live in reality. Even if Smith is booted, all Inslee will do is reappoint someone exactly like her. If she stays on, nothing changes. If she stays on and her previous votes are void, the commission can re-vote and we'll likely have a similar outcome.
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The antis were fighting the same battle of a commission that wouldn’t listen to them, until they suddenly weren’t. EVERY win is a win. They snuck in the cancellation of spring bear on a technicality when it wasn’t supposed to be up for a vote, and rode the inertia to keep it cancelled. IF they need to do it all over again there is a better chance it won’t work than if we wait decades to get a balanced commission that votes with the recommendation of biologists.
Post by: bigtex on July 01, 2023, 07:22:35 AM
Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure. Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.
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Brick by brick. Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?
I just live in reality. Even if Smith is booted, all Inslee will do is reappoint someone exactly like her. If she stays on, nothing changes. If she stays on and her previous votes are void, the commission can re-vote and we'll likely have a similar outcome.
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The antis were fighting the same battle of a commission that wouldn’t listen to them, until they suddenly weren’t. EVERY win is a win. They snuck in the cancellation of spring bear on a technicality when it wasn’t supposed to be up for a vote, and rode the inertia to keep it cancelled. IF they need to do it all over again there is a better chance it won’t work than if we wait decades to get a balanced commission that votes with the recommendation of biologists.
Sorry but they didn't "sneak in the cancelation of spring bear on a technicality". They had to vote to approve the season (like they do with all seasons) and the vote failed, thus no season.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 01, 2023, 08:17:37 AM
Post by: Special T on July 01, 2023, 10:03:50 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 01, 2023, 10:17:22 AM
Her appointment was illegal and she should be immediately removed. Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...
And...
Force Jay to decide if he wants to re appoint her with the pending suit's for his other willful violations. And risk loosing her again....
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 01, 2023, 10:21:44 AM
She shouldn't get to "decide" to stay.this....
Her appointment was illegal and she should be immediately removed. Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...
And...
Force Jay to decide if he wants to re appoint her with the pending suit's for his other willful violations. And risk loosing her again....
Post by: bigtex on July 01, 2023, 10:27:59 AM
Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...
By voiding all votes during her time it would essentially close all hunting and fishing seasons until they re-approve them...
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 01, 2023, 10:34:26 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 01, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...
By voiding all votes during her time it would essentially close all hunting and fishing seasons until they re-approve them...
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Fine by me...small sacrifice.
It's about time Jays crooked politics get a little more exposure...he knew what he was doing was illegal and did it anyway...like always.
Post by: KFhunter on July 01, 2023, 10:36:39 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 01, 2023, 11:35:53 AM
So wouldn't this make the guy that appointed her also in violation...W4WC.org specifically named him in the suit that's been filed, as well as the 5 activists on the board for violating our RCWs.
Post by: GASoline71 on July 10, 2023, 03:48:57 PM
So wouldn't this make the guy that appointed her also in violation...W4WC.org specifically named him in the suit that's been filed, as well as the 5 activists on the board for violating our RCWs.
Any updates on what is happening with that lawsuit John?
Gary
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 10, 2023, 04:00:44 PM
Post by: Special T on July 10, 2023, 04:21:32 PM
This process is painfully slow for us all, also as much as we might like to know all the juicy details it would be really bad tactics to show your hand before court.