Post by: WWC on July 08, 2023, 01:06:15 PM
A Philosophical Critique of the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation
Featured image: Bighorn sheep © John Miles
By Kirk Robinson Excerpt
"Now for a proposal. Because we value a pluralistic society with some semblance of democracy and equal representation, it surely behooves us all to seek ways of accommodating each other even when we disagree. What implications does this have for formulating and discharging wildlife management and conservation policy? Here’s a suggestion that I think has considerable merit: Trophy hunting, understood as hunting where typically the procurement of a trophy or any kind of personal satisfaction is the chief purpose, must be regarded as illegitimate.
This would eliminate general hunts for large carnivores and retain hunting of species where the primary goal is food procurement. It would also permit some important secondary purposes of hunting, such as achieving intimate contact with nature and obtaining a memento of the experience. Further, it would provide wildlife management and governance a more ethical unifying rational basis for wildlife management policy. Not to be overlooked, it would also accord better with NAM principle #1 by better discharging the trust to preserve ecological processes. It would have the benefit of making the concept of “legitimate purpose” at the core of tenet #4 more principled and coherent. Most important, this change would have the benefit of helping maintain, or in some cases restoring, healthy functioning of ecosystems, thus better serving an appropriately reformulated tenet #6."
https://rewilding.org/a-philosophical-critique-of-the-north-american-model-of-wildlife-conservation/
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 08, 2023, 01:11:49 PM
Post by: MeepDog on July 08, 2023, 01:26:28 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 08, 2023, 01:30:28 PM
Post by: hunter399 on July 08, 2023, 01:31:32 PM
But almost the whole state is managed for meat bucks anyway. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: Special T on July 08, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
John Trap episode 387 on the wolf debate
https://bloodorigins.org/podcasts-partners/
Post by: Slamadoo on July 09, 2023, 08:23:09 AM
A doe could be a "trophy" to someone. It's also possible to hunt for multiple reasons, all at once. The bear, elk, and deer I have killed are all trophies to me. I also killed them to eat them and to feed them to my family and friends.
Post by: buckfvr on July 09, 2023, 08:59:08 AM
Rather than responding directly to them I would think there would be more traction gained by responding to someone that actually has some stroke over them, whoever that is.
Post by: timberfaller on July 09, 2023, 12:56:29 PM
Real life, doesn't enter their minds in any form what so ever!!! But hey, their educated more then any others!!
Post by: mcrawfordaf on July 12, 2023, 01:48:48 PM
Post by: WWC on July 12, 2023, 02:30:32 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on July 12, 2023, 03:15:35 PM
Anyone who doesn’t get personal satisfaction from hunting , raise your hand.
:bash:
Post by: mcrawfordaf on July 12, 2023, 03:19:01 PM
The presenter that is scheduled is Dr John Organ from Boone and Crocket one of the co writers of the North American Model of Conservation.
Well thats a pleasant surprise!
This one from 2018 by the same author, where they tell you exactly how they intend on pushing hunters out of the conversation: https://rewilding.org/wildlife-governance-reform-where-to-begin/ (https://rewilding.org/wildlife-governance-reform-where-to-begin/)
"-Join or form a coalition in your state to implement wildlife governance reform;
-Run for public office;
-Advocate for legal reforms that affirm your state’s public trust responsibility to all wildlife for all citizens;
-Attend meetings of your state Wildlife (Game) Commission and insist that their decisions embrace the views of all interest groups and are based on sound science – not political pressure from special interests;
-Urge your Governor to appoint qualified experts to the Wildlife Commission."
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 12, 2023, 03:28:20 PM
Having spent years in the PNW Water War, the last thing and the ONE thing government agency's REFUSE to listen to or agree with is "predator control"! IT doesn't fit their "agenda's"!! The Salmon Listing exposed them ALL over this issue! So did the Spotted Owl and HOW some "scientist/biologist" wanted to deal with them. Hint: kill off the Barred Owl
Real life, doesn't enter their minds in any form what so ever!!! But hey, their educated more then any others!!
Well, there's the boots on the ground, the administration of the WDFW, the Wildlife Commission, the USFWS, and the Governor. I believe strongly that the bios on the ground and the hunting/wildlife side of the administration would like to increase predator hunting, and to have that include wolf management. They spend far too much of their resources now on having to keep controlling wolves by themselves. However, the governor's pockets are overflowing with the money from special interests of all types, including animal rights activists, and the USFWS has been taken over by the same. It is by his hand that the administration and bios of the WDFW have been hamstrung by the Commission and the USFWS with regards to our predator spiral and the proper action that should be taken. If you recall, the USFWS lied to Congress about their wolf program, the population growth of the wolves over time, and actually released wolves, after supposedly inoculating them, which were infected with several diseases including echinococcus granulosus, a particularly insipid zoonosis. You need to target those who are truly responsible and that boils down to Inslee, and his lopsided Wildlife Commission, and the USFWS.
Post by: Fidelk on July 12, 2023, 04:14:37 PM
"Trophy" is such a loaded word. It's a nonsense argument by anti-hunters. Semantics.
A doe could be a "trophy" to someone. It's also possible to hunt for multiple reasons, all at once. The bear, elk, and deer I have killed are all trophies to me. I also killed them to eat them and to feed them to my family and friends.
My neighbor and I once had a competition as to who could "harvest" a spike blacktail with the smallest set of antlers (????).......one year, he won with some tiny inch, maybe 2 inch horns.
Post by: idaho guy on July 12, 2023, 07:59:18 PM
"Trophy" is such a loaded word. It's a nonsense argument by anti-hunters. Semantics.
A doe could be a "trophy" to someone. It's also possible to hunt for multiple reasons, all at once. The bear, elk, and deer I have killed are all trophies to me. I also killed them to eat them and to feed them to my family and friends.
:yeah: How do you define a "trophy"? My first deer was a "trophy doe"(hard to believe it was over 40 years ago) . I haven't shot a doe for 20 plus years and have no desire to shoot one. but that first doe was a trophy to me. The elk and deer I have shot that would actually score as a "trophy" have all been eaten? Talking point they can use for the un- educated to make it sound like hunters killing something to cut off the horns and leave everything else to rot. Definite intention to make it sound like hunters don't eat bears and lions also. Bear and lion is some of my families favorite meat. Its all pure bull crap.