Post by: blackdog on July 12, 2023, 02:06:01 PM
Post by: bustedoldman on July 12, 2023, 02:24:20 PM
Post by: WWC on July 12, 2023, 02:28:29 PM
"After serving as a Washington wildlife commissioner, I believe that an updated legislated mandate is necessary. It should recognize that protecting the state’s full animal diversity, health, and wellbeing are DFW’s and the Commission’s paramount purpose. A clear focus on conservation of all species rather than maximizing the killing of animals for food or pleasure is essential to meet the State’s public wildlife trust responsibility." Fred Koontz
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 12, 2023, 03:33:57 PM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on July 12, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
1) habitat loss due to population growth which forever changes the land by land and infrastructure development
2) Agrarian monoculture farming which is required to feed humans
3) Pesticide use which is required to feed humans or protect consumptive crops (timber etc)
4) Invasive species (plants, insects and animals which have forever crowded out native species)
5) Roads, Dams, bridges, and any other manmade changes to the landscape which provide obstacles forever changing those habitats
6) Transportation (cars, busses, boats, ferries, trains, and airplanes) which kill birds, mammals, insects
If a preservationist really wants to roll up the shirtsleeves they may want to really look at the big picture. Not just under the lens of eliminating highly regulated hunting and disguising anti-hunting. This is spitting in the ocean and hoping we can fix what has already been changed. Hypocrites and myopic Pollyannas...
(mind you I am not against any of the stuff above... we humans are an introduced species to this landscape. It is childish to think we can exist without having an impact wherever we go.) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Post by: blackdog on July 12, 2023, 04:05:48 PM
Post by: Fidelk on July 12, 2023, 04:07:40 PM
With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.
Post by: Smokeploe on July 12, 2023, 04:57:53 PM
Smokeploe
Post by: GOcougsHunter on July 12, 2023, 05:02:27 PM
Doesn't the sale of hunting/fishing licenses and tax on guns and ammo pretty much pay for "wildlife management"? Wildlife doesn't just exist for hunters and fishermen.......also there for people who wish to view and photograph....buuuuuut, the hunters and fishermen pretty much are the ones paying for it. Maybe a one year boycott on buying products that contribute to wildlife programs......licenses, guns, ammo.......would get their attention.They have made it abundantly clear that it does not matter where the money is coming from. Only that it "feels" like we need to go a different direction and exclude from the decision making the minority of folks this greatly impacts in favor of a nebulous and ill defined end game utopia which only exists in a Disney cartoon.
With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.
Post by: Fidelk on July 12, 2023, 05:19:55 PM
Post by: saylean on July 12, 2023, 05:29:27 PM
Post by: blackdog on July 12, 2023, 06:05:32 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on July 12, 2023, 08:59:18 PM
The preservationists fail to mention
1) habitat loss due to population growth which forever changes the land by land and infrastructure development
2) Agrarian monoculture farming which is required to feed humans
3) Pesticide use which is required to feed humans or protect consumptive crops (timber etc)
4) Invasive species (plants, insects and animals which have forever crowded out native species)
5) Roads, Dams, bridges, and any other manmade changes to the landscape which provide obstacles forever changing those habitats
6) Transportation (cars, busses, boats, ferries, trains, and airplanes) which kill birds, mammals, insects
If a preservationist really wants to roll up the shirtsleeves they may want to really look at the big picture. Not just under the lens of eliminating highly regulated hunting and disguising anti-hunting. This is spitting in the ocean and hoping we can fix what has already been changed. Hypocrites and myopic Pollyannas...
(mind you I am not against any of the stuff above... we humans are an introduced species to this landscape. It is childish to think we can exist without having an impact wherever we go.) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Very well said! :tup:
Post by: ghosthunter on July 12, 2023, 09:13:46 PM
What’s the point of doing anything for DFW ?
Why fill out reports?
Why give them grouse wings?
Why volunteer for them?
If they are going to do all they can to end hunting.
I taught Hunter Ed for 28 years. Was a Master Hunter for 5-6. But I am ready to shut them out. Harvest as much as I can and give them no info. The Commission just ignores the bios.
So really what’s the point. :dunno:
Post by: actionshooter on July 12, 2023, 09:31:11 PM
So I have to ask.
What’s the point of doing anything for DFW ?
Why fill out reports?
Why give them grouse wings?
Why volunteer for them?
If they are going to do all they can to end hunting.
I taught Hunter Ed for 28 years. Was a Master Hunter for 5-6. But I am ready to shut them out. Harvest as much as I can and give them no info. The Commission just ignores the bios.
So really what’s the point. :dunno:
Because the WDFW and the Commision are 2 different things.... I don't believe most at the WDFW believe what the Commision is doing, they just can't say it.
I think that's part of the problem, people can't separate the two. I do see a future, and probably not to far away, that biologists become biologists to push an anti-agenda.
Post by: blackdog on July 12, 2023, 09:33:28 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on July 12, 2023, 10:15:23 PM
Ghost Hunter, that is exactly how the anti hunters hope you respond.
You think anything is going to change. I don’t, what’s the point?
I don’t think they care one bit what we do. They have a agenda and it’s full steam foreword for them.
Post by: blackdog on July 13, 2023, 12:07:11 AM
Post by: huntnphool on July 13, 2023, 12:29:09 AM
Doesn't the sale of hunting/fishing licenses and tax on guns and ammo pretty much pay for "wildlife management"? Wildlife doesn't just exist for hunters and fishermen.......also there for people who wish to view and photograph....buuuuuut, the hunters and fishermen pretty much are the ones paying for it. Maybe a one year boycott on buying products that contribute to wildlife programs......licenses, guns, ammo.......would get their attention.
With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.
I regularly go out and photograph during hunting seasons and during the rut when things are closed down. I’ve NOT ONCE run into anyone else doing the same…and I know guys like Doug (boneaddict) and Shawn (popeshawnpaul) do as well.
So how is it that these activists claim to be using “photoraghy” as a part of their “argument”? :dunno:
Post by: ghosthunter on July 13, 2023, 07:23:03 AM
How much time in your year do you devote to political action?
I have joined any organization that popped up and sent in money. I spread the word every chance I get.
If you mean go to Olympia never.At 72 I am not driving 4-5 hours to stand around with a sign. Which does no good.
You get something like a 1000 Person March I will be there.
Post by: Fidelk on July 13, 2023, 08:00:38 AM
Doesn't the sale of hunting/fishing licenses and tax on guns and ammo pretty much pay for "wildlife management"? Wildlife doesn't just exist for hunters and fishermen.......also there for people who wish to view and photograph....buuuuuut, the hunters and fishermen pretty much are the ones paying for it. Maybe a one year boycott on buying products that contribute to wildlife programs......licenses, guns, ammo.......would get their attention.
With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.
I regularly go out and photograph during hunting seasons and during the rut when things are closed down. I’ve NOT ONCE run into anyone else doing the same…and I know guys like Doug (boneaddict) and Shawn (popeshawnpaul) do as well.
So how is it that these activists claim to be using “photoraghy” as a part of their “argument”? :dunno:
Are you posing that question to me? I'm not advocating for people who may wish "to view and photograph"........but have heard the concept that F&G agencies consider wildlife as a shared resource.......shared by hunters in the various seasons and by people who might wish to view and photograph them. Kind of like what people do in Yellowstone, without the hunting. I, of course, think the top priority should go to hunting since that is what finances the resource.
Post by: buckfvr on July 13, 2023, 08:07:30 AM
Post by: Special T on July 13, 2023, 08:22:22 AM
How much time in your year do you devote to political action?
I have joined any organization that popped up and sent in money. I spread the word every chance I get.
If you mean go to Olympia never.At 72 I am not driving 4-5 hours to stand around with a sign. Which does no good.
You get something like a 1000 Person March I will be there.
Sportsmen are pretty independent folks. This is the precipice of the cliff. If they change the mandate we will go the way of California.
Post by: blackdog on July 13, 2023, 08:51:19 AM
Post by: Special T on July 13, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Post by: buckfvr on July 13, 2023, 11:00:32 AM
Post by: Special T on July 13, 2023, 11:08:16 AM
Contacting/corresponding with democratic legislators is a huge waste of time. Not voting for them and encouraging others to not vote for them is the only way to MAYBE get results.
I this this depends, Lekenoff in the 40th has plenty of things to disagree with her about but hunting isn't once of them, she also sits on the House Nat Resources Committee.
Post by: MeepDog on July 13, 2023, 11:16:44 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 13, 2023, 11:19:48 AM
So I'm not holding my breath they give a rats about the commission's desire to end hunting..
Post by: Washington Wapiti on July 14, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
Koontz, like all of you, is just a private citizen who is involved. Imagine if all of us, became as involved.
"Suiting up and showing up" has to become the norm for hunters/anglers as a group. If we don't fight back in meaningful way, these noodleheads will continue steamrolling us.
Post by: Mtnwalker on July 14, 2023, 02:32:29 PM
Koontz, like all of you, is just a private citizen who is involved. Imagine if all of us, became as involved.
"Suiting up and showing up" has to become the norm for hunters/anglers as a group. If we don't fight back in meaningful way, these noodleheads will continue steamrolling us.
:yeah: And taking legal action whenever possible like the antis do.
Post by: Washington Wapiti on July 14, 2023, 08:11:21 PM