Post by: nwmein199 on July 28, 2023, 09:30:14 AM
If you have not already listened to this podcast, please do: https://hunttalkradio.com/2023/07/25/episode-220-junking-the-north-american-model-of-wildlife-conservation-episode-220/
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/org-judge-rules-smith-wa-fwc-appointment-violates-state-law/
Post by: greenhead_killer on July 28, 2023, 09:40:32 AM
Post by: Special T on July 28, 2023, 10:12:12 AM
Post by: Platensek-po on July 28, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
I think this well meaning lawsuit will open a can of worms and not accomplish what it sets out to do. The remedy will likely be her stepping down from the county position and staying on the WDFW. It will also open up liabilities for other good commissioners as well as make it harder to find suitable candidates that are pro hunting.
From how I understand it she couldn’t have been appointed to the position on the commission. Therefor she has to resign from the commission and not the county seat. It’s of course very possible I’m wrong but that’s how I understood it.
The judge, Mary Sue Wilson, issued a declaratory judgement that Lorna Smith’s holding of the Jefferson County appointed office is incompatible with appointment and service on the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission,” reported the foundation’s Brian Lynn. “In other words, her appointment was in violation of the Fish and Wildlife Commission appointment statute.”
Post by: Special T on July 28, 2023, 10:58:29 AM
I think this well meaning lawsuit will open a can of worms and not accomplish what it sets out to do. The remedy will likely be her stepping down from the county position and staying on the WDFW. It will also open up liabilities for other good commissioners as well as make it harder to find suitable candidates that are pro hunting.
From how I understand it she couldn’t have been appointed to the position on the commission. Therefor she has to resign from the commission and not the county seat. It’s of course very possible I’m wrong but that’s how I understood it.
The judge, Mary Sue Wilson, issued a declaratory judgement that Lorna Smith’s holding of the Jefferson County appointed office is incompatible with appointment and service on the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission,” reported the foundation’s Brian Lynn. “In other words, her appointment was in violation of the Fish and Wildlife Commission appointment statute.”
In an ideal world this might be the case that she cannot stay in her seat. We do know however that the Govenor has been willing to bend the rules. I am not 100%certain how this will work out either. We do know that following the letter of the law is not the governors strong suit, and Thurston county normally bends in favor of the political leadership. :twocents:
Post by: Mtnwalker on July 28, 2023, 11:04:16 AM
I think this well meaning lawsuit will open a can of worms and not accomplish what it sets out to do. The remedy will likely be her stepping down from the county position and staying on the WDFW. It will also open up liabilities for other good commissioners as well as make it harder to find suitable candidates that are pro hunting.
Darned if ya do, darned if ya don't. We are at the point in WA where we can't keep maintaining the status quo just because things could be worse. Results aside its nice to see some action
Post by: nwmein199 on July 28, 2023, 11:34:24 AM
I think this well meaning lawsuit will open a can of worms and not accomplish what it sets out to do. The remedy will likely be her stepping down from the county position and staying on the WDFW. It will also open up liabilities for other good commissioners as well as make it harder to find suitable candidates that are pro hunting.
Darned if ya do, darned if ya don't. We are at the point in WA where we can't keep maintaining the status quo just because things could be worse. Results aside its nice to see some action
The anti-hunting crowd is very vocal and active and that has helped get us to the point we are at. We need to match that energy. I have been emailing complaints literally every day and will continue to do so
Post by: Platensek-po on July 28, 2023, 11:45:17 AM
I think this well meaning lawsuit will open a can of worms and not accomplish what it sets out to do. The remedy will likely be her stepping down from the county position and staying on the WDFW. It will also open up liabilities for other good commissioners as well as make it harder to find suitable candidates that are pro hunting.
From how I understand it she couldn’t have been appointed to the position on the commission. Therefor she has to resign from the commission and not the county seat. It’s of course very possible I’m wrong but that’s how I understood it.
The judge, Mary Sue Wilson, issued a declaratory judgement that Lorna Smith’s holding of the Jefferson County appointed office is incompatible with appointment and service on the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission,” reported the foundation’s Brian Lynn. “In other words, her appointment was in violation of the Fish and Wildlife Commission appointment statute.”
In an ideal world this might be the case that she cannot stay in her seat. We do know however that the Govenor has been willing to bend the rules. I am not 100%certain how this will work out either. We do know that following the letter of the law is not the governors strong suit, and Thurston county normally bends in favor of the political leadership. :twocents:
Yeah can’t argue against that. Just hoping that judge makes it clear she has to vacate the seat she was appointed to illegally and not the seat she already was occupying. At this point we can only hope for the best. It’s also my understanding that the seat on the school board is not an appointed position and therefor should be fine. Again I’m not %100 but that’s how it seemed to me.
Post by: Special T on July 28, 2023, 12:08:21 PM
I think this well meaning lawsuit will open a can of worms and not accomplish what it sets out to do. The remedy will likely be her stepping down from the county position and staying on the WDFW. It will also open up liabilities for other good commissioners as well as make it harder to find suitable candidates that are pro hunting.
From how I understand it she couldn’t have been appointed to the position on the commission. Therefor she has to resign from the commission and not the county seat. It’s of course very possible I’m wrong but that’s how I understood it.
The judge, Mary Sue Wilson, issued a declaratory judgement that Lorna Smith’s holding of the Jefferson County appointed office is incompatible with appointment and service on the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission,” reported the foundation’s Brian Lynn. “In other words, her appointment was in violation of the Fish and Wildlife Commission appointment statute.”
In an ideal world this might be the case that she cannot stay in her seat. We do know however that the Govenor has been willing to bend the rules. I am not 100%certain how this will work out either. We do know that following the letter of the law is not the governors strong suit, and Thurston county normally bends in favor of the political leadership. :twocents:
Yeah can’t argue against that. Just hoping that judge makes it clear she has to vacate the seat she was appointed to illegally and not the seat she already was occupying. At this point we can only hope for the best. It’s also my understanding that the seat on the school board is not an appointed position and therefor should be fine. Again I’m not %100 but that’s how it seemed to me.
If it works out for sportsmen in the best case scenario you can bet they will play hit for tat.
Post by: nwmein199 on July 28, 2023, 12:23:03 PM
I think this well meaning lawsuit will open a can of worms and not accomplish what it sets out to do. The remedy will likely be her stepping down from the county position and staying on the WDFW. It will also open up liabilities for other good commissioners as well as make it harder to find suitable candidates that are pro hunting.
From how I understand it she couldn’t have been appointed to the position on the commission. Therefor she has to resign from the commission and not the county seat. It’s of course very possible I’m wrong but that’s how I understood it.
The judge, Mary Sue Wilson, issued a declaratory judgement that Lorna Smith’s holding of the Jefferson County appointed office is incompatible with appointment and service on the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission,” reported the foundation’s Brian Lynn. “In other words, her appointment was in violation of the Fish and Wildlife Commission appointment statute.”
In an ideal world this might be the case that she cannot stay in her seat. We do know however that the Govenor has been willing to bend the rules. I am not 100%certain how this will work out either. We do know that following the letter of the law is not the governors strong suit, and Thurston county normally bends in favor of the political leadership. :twocents:
Yeah can’t argue against that. Just hoping that judge makes it clear she has to vacate the seat she was appointed to illegally and not the seat she already was occupying. At this point we can only hope for the best. It’s also my understanding that the seat on the school board is not an appointed position and therefor should be fine. Again I’m not %100 but that’s how it seemed to me.
Agreed. If we stay quiet and just hope then we can bet that it wont go in our favor. Anti-hunting crowd has gotten things their way by not hoping and not staying quiet.
Post by: James on July 28, 2023, 12:33:28 PM
If we can't claw our way back there, all our fishing/hunting will fall in time.
Post by: Henrydog on July 28, 2023, 12:36:43 PM
Post by: Humptulips on July 28, 2023, 12:37:52 PM
Post by: Smokeploe on July 28, 2023, 12:51:59 PM
Smokeploe
Post by: Mtnwalker on July 28, 2023, 12:57:44 PM
Need to let the judge know that she is violating her ruling. Maybe she will hold Ms smith in contempt of court and toss her in jail.
Smokeploe
Post by: baker5150 on July 28, 2023, 03:37:11 PM
I suppose some rep's don't care if their voting for a legal candidate or not.
Post by: jstone on July 28, 2023, 05:17:48 PM
Post by: nwmein199 on July 28, 2023, 05:23:09 PM
The Governor and AJ don’t care.! They are part of the problem also
If we as hunters and fishers do nothing besides complaining then we are contributing to the problem. Write, call, email to any and all people you can think of and we can make a difference
Post by: highcountry_hunter on July 28, 2023, 05:52:30 PM
I'm curious how she got confirmed in the first place?That or they didn’t look into it and she didn’t mention it.
I suppose some rep's don't care if their voting for a legal candidate or not.
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Post by: 87Ford on July 28, 2023, 07:06:14 PM
The Governor and AJ don’t care.! They are part of the problem also
Write, call, email to any and all people you can think of and we can make a difference
It really doesn't matter what we do as hunters and fishers when people like you, nwmein, continue to vote for democrats like Inslee..
Post by: cem3434 on July 28, 2023, 07:07:33 PM
Post by: Special T on July 29, 2023, 08:53:46 AM
The Governor and AJ don’t care.! They are part of the problem also
Write, call, email to any and all people you can think of and we can make a difference
It really doesn't matter what we do as hunters and fishers when people like you, nwmein, continue to vote for democrats like Inslee..
So did you contribute $ or time to a local republican? Join your local or county party and do the same?
Post by: harveymarv on July 29, 2023, 09:48:12 AM
The Governor and AJ don’t care.! They are part of the problem also
Write, call, email to any and all people you can think of and we can make a difference
It really doesn't matter what we do as hunters and fishers when people like you, nwmein, continue to vote for democrats like Inslee..
So did you contribute $ or time to a local republican? Join your local or county party and do the same?
i would bet all of my spring bear points that Lorna (and some other anti-WDFW commissioners) lurk on this forum, and that when they see in-fighting they clap their soft little hands and smirk their little commie-smirks, and pass a wee wind of relief into their plotting cushion that soon all hunting will be banned step by step.
not saying anyone on here is wrong in their points, just sayin.
the lawyers were supposed to hash out a solution in early July - anyone know anyone from the Sportsman’s Alliance that can give an update on where this is.
Post by: Special T on July 29, 2023, 10:00:12 AM
Post by: buckfvr on July 29, 2023, 10:38:22 AM
My point is that hunters have been complacent, and yes elections matter.
Hunters representing less than 2% of the state have a barely audible voice, if its even heard its not likely to make a rats behind, no more so than any group of 2% has in any vote at any level. Dont forget, this has been ongoing for years now without appreciable gains or even any momentum to build from. No, I havent given up, Im merely pointing out personal observations of the last 50 years. :twocents:
Post by: Special T on July 29, 2023, 12:06:19 PM
My point is that hunters have been complacent, and yes elections matter.
Hunters representing less than 2% of the state have a barely audible voice, if its even heard its not likely to make a rats behind, no more so than any group of 2% has in any vote at any level. Dont forget, this has been ongoing for years now without appreciable gains or even any momentum to build from. No, I havent given up, Im merely pointing out personal observations of the last 50 years. :twocents:
Politics goes beyond hunting. being part of the system educates and influences politicians. 1 person can make a difference and I know several.
Post by: nwmein199 on July 31, 2023, 10:21:45 AM
The Governor and AJ don’t care.! They are part of the problem also
Write, call, email to any and all people you can think of and we can make a difference
It really doesn't matter what we do as hunters and fishers when people like you, nwmein, continue to vote for democrats like Inslee..
Have you seen my votes before? Does R on the ballots now stand for Democrat? I have never voted for a democrat but keep whining and let me know how that goes for you sport.
I sent off emails to 13 different people this morning voicing my concerns about Lorna Smith being illegally on the WDFW commission. What have you done today to help hunters and fishers?
Post by: Woodchuck on July 31, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
Post by: hunter399 on July 31, 2023, 10:50:50 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 31, 2023, 11:15:12 AM
Post by: mcrawfordaf on July 31, 2023, 11:23:15 AM
Post by: bigtex on July 31, 2023, 02:26:57 PM
Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on July 31, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
The legislature also violated the law. Are they unable to revisit their decision? What can contacting them possibly hurt?Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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Post by: bigtex on July 31, 2023, 02:42:38 PM
Under state law only the governor can remove an appointed person once they are confirmed by the Senate.The legislature also violated the law. Are they unable to revisit their decision? What can contacting them possibly hurt?Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on July 31, 2023, 03:15:20 PM
Post by: bigtex on July 31, 2023, 03:25:53 PM
Even if they violate an RCW? She's clearly violated RCW 77.04.040. by holding another position with Jefferson County Planning Commission.And that's where the check and balance of the legislature failed. There's no re-do, removal via the legislature, etc. She either has to resign, or be removed by the governor.
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Post by: Twispriver on July 31, 2023, 06:50:13 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on July 31, 2023, 06:54:05 PM
Post by: 87Ford on July 31, 2023, 07:17:15 PM
The Governor and AJ don’t care.! They are part of the problem also
Write, call, email to any and all people you can think of and we can make a difference
It really doesn't matter what we do as hunters and fishers when people like you, nwmein, continue to vote for democrats like Inslee..
...but keep whining and let me know how that goes for you sport.
Whining? LOL.. You're the one whining and asking us to write, call, email.. while you continue to vote for dems. I've read enough of your posts to know where you stand politically.
People like you are the problem.
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 31, 2023, 07:56:10 PM
Therefore all commission decisions since her appointment are null and void since she doesn't have a legal voice/ vote..
So.among many other things..spring bear is back on :IBCOOL:
Who's in..
Post by: hunter399 on July 31, 2023, 08:29:45 PM
Unlawfully appointed..
Therefore all commission decisions since her appointment are null and void since she doesn't have a legal voice/ vote..
So.among many other things..spring bear is back on :IBCOOL:
Who's in..
Bring it on.
Should be reinstated asap.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 01, 2023, 08:11:18 AM
Even if they violate an RCW? She's clearly violated RCW 77.04.040. by holding another position with Jefferson County Planning Commission.And that's where the check and balance of the legislature failed. There's no re-do, removal via the legislature, etc. She either has to resign, or be removed by the governor.
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Well, I guess that's why we have the lawsuit.
Post by: baker5150 on August 01, 2023, 11:22:16 AM
Even if they violate an RCW? She's clearly violated RCW 77.04.040. by holding another position with Jefferson County Planning Commission.And that's where the check and balance of the legislature failed. There's no re-do, removal via the legislature, etc. She either has to resign, or be removed by the governor.
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Well, I guess that's why we have the lawsuit.
I would imagine a court could compel, if not require Inslee to remove her. Bigtex?
Post by: mcrawfordaf on August 11, 2023, 08:36:59 AM
Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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ol Bigtex was right. She resigned her position as planner and kept her seat as commissioner. Nothing to be done..
Post by: hughjorgan on August 11, 2023, 09:14:53 AM
Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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ol Bigtex was right. She resigned her position as planner and kept her seat as commissioner. Nothing to be done..
And now she’s pushing to change fall bear and cougar seasons.
Post by: ducks4days on August 11, 2023, 10:37:24 AM
Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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ol Bigtex was right. She resigned her position as planner and kept her seat as commissioner. Nothing to be done..
And now she’s pushing to change fall bear and cougar seasons.
Holy hell. I need to go back to court on that old DUI charge, they didn’t consider the fact that I sobered up a few hours later.
Post by: buckfvr on August 11, 2023, 11:38:41 AM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on August 11, 2023, 08:21:00 PM
Has there been any actual proposals?Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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ol Bigtex was right. She resigned her position as planner and kept her seat as commissioner. Nothing to be done..
And now she’s pushing to change fall bear and cougar seasons.
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Post by: dwils233 on August 11, 2023, 09:19:14 PM
Has there been any actual proposals?Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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ol Bigtex was right. She resigned her position as planner and kept her seat as commissioner. Nothing to be done..
And now she’s pushing to change fall bear and cougar seasons.
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Not legally, but the discussion in yesterday's wildlife committee meeting laid out a path to eliminate them by circumventing the policy/rule setting path. Similar to spring bear, where they ended it by just not voting in favor of season setting this would be by not approving the 3 year season setting and just sunsetting the whole opportunity
Post by: hughjorgan on August 11, 2023, 09:22:20 PM
Has there been any actual proposals?Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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ol Bigtex was right. She resigned her position as planner and kept her seat as commissioner. Nothing to be done..
And now she’s pushing to change fall bear and cougar seasons.
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Nw sportsman’s mag has an article…
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/some-wdfw-commissioners-mull-tweaking-bear-cougar-hunts/
Post by: hunter399 on August 11, 2023, 10:30:40 PM
That article doesn't paint a pretty picture.Has there been any actual proposals?Contact the press, your representatives, post something on social media. Last Friday, I had a quick exposure on Lars Larson for the WWC and the lawsuit. Get the word out there.Why contact the legislature? The Senate confirmed her, she's in. The legislature had their time to remove her and they didn't.
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ol Bigtex was right. She resigned her position as planner and kept her seat as commissioner. Nothing to be done..
And now she’s pushing to change fall bear and cougar seasons.
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Nw sportsman’s mag has an article…
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/some-wdfw-commissioners-mull-tweaking-bear-cougar-hunts/
Post by: huntnphool on August 11, 2023, 10:43:19 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on August 11, 2023, 11:20:47 PM
Wait, were are the leftist ilk like jay sharkbait and angry perch to chime in supporting their politicians implementing these decisions?
I don’t think they support that.
You on the other hand, I’m not sure about. :dunno: