Post by: Westsideelkchaser on August 13, 2023, 12:50:56 AM
Post by: Dan-o on August 13, 2023, 01:09:30 AM
That's theft on your part whether their doing something illegal or not.
Do report it.
Do follow up on it.
Good luck.
Post by: hunter399 on August 13, 2023, 04:34:44 AM
Id still hunt it but keep a distance,like 1000 yards away from that site. You shouldn't be punished,cause someone else is stupid.
10 points toward special permits ,if you don't turn them in somebody else will. :dunno:
Post by: duckmen1 on August 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 13, 2023, 11:01:12 AM
Timber Co. will bait and hire guys to whack and stack bears to save young tree's.
Post by: Bowhunter3 on August 13, 2023, 12:51:16 PM
NFS, DNR , wdfw, or private timber Co.?
Timber Co. will bait and hire guys to whack and stack bears to save young tree's.
So I would assume it’s money that gives them the ability to bait?
Post by: hunter399 on August 13, 2023, 01:04:07 PM
Yes and no.NFS, DNR , wdfw, or private timber Co.?
Timber Co. will bait and hire guys to whack and stack bears to save young tree's.
So I would assume it’s money that gives them the ability to bait?
Property damage,which causes lost revenue in future timber.
It doesn't cost them anything to get damage permits, probably some pictures and locations of "damage"(money lost).
At the same time big timber does very little for promoting the average boot hunter.
So it's win,no win , situation.
Post by: Alan K on August 13, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
If anyone is seeing bait in the woods this time of year, it needs reported. No doubt illegal for the 99%, but maybe tribal?
Post by: callturner on August 13, 2023, 02:10:09 PM
Post by: Westsideelkchaser on August 13, 2023, 02:29:39 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 13, 2023, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2023, 07:54:36 PM
Sounds like a place from which to move.
X2 :tup:
Post by: Cougartail on August 13, 2023, 09:05:39 PM
Sucks but whoever is doing it can as long as he kills no bears at the site.
Post by: hunter399 on August 14, 2023, 08:06:13 AM
Baiting coyotes is legal. Many do it and hunt with thermals at night.I didn't think of that.
Sucks but whoever is doing it can as long as he kills no bears at the site.
People bait deer,elk,and all kinds of critters!
Post by: boneaddict on August 14, 2023, 09:27:24 AM
Post by: buckfvr on August 14, 2023, 10:35:56 AM
Post by: HillHound on August 14, 2023, 11:47:54 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 14, 2023, 11:49:21 AM
As for the OP I'd relocate spots. Not worth the trouble.
Post by: HillHound on August 14, 2023, 11:54:56 AM
Post by: dilleytech on August 19, 2023, 01:15:05 PM
Its only illegal if they shoot a bear, until they make all baiting illegal its all good. I think tribal can also bait bear. I dont know that for a fact, but they can run hounds so why not?
I believe it’s illegal if you have a bear tag in your pocket. Which to them could show intent to kill a bear over bait.
Post by: hunter399 on August 19, 2023, 02:10:02 PM
Good to know,cause of I ever archery hunt over bait from a tree stand. Maybe I'll hold off on buying my bear tag.Its only illegal if they shoot a bear, until they make all baiting illegal its all good. I think tribal can also bait bear. I dont know that for a fact, but they can run hounds so why not?
I believe it’s illegal if you have a bear tag in your pocket. Which to them could show intent to kill a bear over bait.
Post by: Klickitatsteelie on August 19, 2023, 02:24:05 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 19, 2023, 02:27:58 PM
As long as your bear tag is not on your person while hunting deer or elk over bait you are ok. Leave it in the truck and you will be fine.Nice to know too.
It would be nice of wdfw to clear up this stuff up.
Post by: callturner on August 19, 2023, 04:21:50 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 19, 2023, 05:17:43 PM
Sounds like a croc to me. My tags are always with me and always will be. I'll take my chances. Im not going to bend down and kiss the depts ass every time they squat to take a leek. I will hunt legally. Next someone will say your shooting a 30 cal rifle so you must be bear hunting. Or you have boots on so you must be bear hunting. Sheesh, whats next?Well I kinda agree.
That's why I said wdfw should clear it up some.
I've never left a tag in the truck,or at home.
I'm not an archery hunter, Haven't hunted over bait,(for deer or elk) in a long time. I've hunted near the salt blocks for deer or elk,I place for deer and elk. (Not over them).
Never shot a bear near my trail cam spots that have salt.
Never seen a bear eat a salt block,always come in a sniff the area around it. Then try to eat my cams.
And I have picture proof of that.
Heck even the cubs climb the tree and attempt to eat the camera over the salt.
I guess if I could ask a warden is.
See a bear while checking my cams that have a block of salt with nothing eles,can I hunt it.
I know a lot of guys will say salt is an attractant.
I don't believe it is for bears in block form.They won't eat it. They will flip it over,then move on to trying to eat the cam.
Like said I have picture proof of that.
Most bears I get on cam,is like one or two times a year.(if it was an attractant they would be there daily,weekly,even monthly)
I believe they are just sniffing the site,due to ungulates in the area.
Just like cougar or any other predator. I suppose cougars are eating my salt blocks too. Bobcats too.
Rabbits do eat on the block at nite.
But at the end of the day,my interpretation of attractant,and a warden vision of what an attractant is may be totally different.
That's probably my biggest gripe.
That's why I use salt in block form,cause other methods was costly due to bears eating the bait,I was placing for deer and elk.
Thank God I've only seen one bear ,while checking a cam,and didn't have a rifle or weapon anyway.
Post by: dilleytech on August 20, 2023, 08:30:45 AM
Sounds like a croc to me. My tags are always with me and always will be. I'll take my chances. Im not going to bend down and kiss the depts ass every time they squat to take a leek. I will hunt legally. Next someone will say your shooting a 30 cal rifle so you must be bear hunting. Or you have boots on so you must be bear hunting. Sheesh, whats next?
That’s fine but the fact remains. It’s pretty simple. You’re sitting over bait bears are eating. You have a bear tag in your pocket and you say “ nuh uh! I’m not bear hunting” true or not its irrelevant in that moment.
Those other examples are pretty far from the same realm of reality though lol
Post by: Westsideelkchaser on August 26, 2023, 01:38:07 AM
Post by: Westsideelkchaser on August 26, 2023, 01:40:23 AM
Post by: huntnnw on August 26, 2023, 07:53:29 AM
Depredation permits start when damage occurs in the spring through early summer. They aren't issued beyond early July, and they aren't just for large timber companies. They are available to any timber owner experiencing damage. They also are boot hunts only, no bait, no dogs, no traps. The only ones able to use such methods are government agents.
If anyone is seeing bait in the woods this time of year, it needs reported. No doubt illegal for the 99%, but maybe tribal?
Report a bait ? There’s thousands upon thousands of people baiting deer and elk right now.
Post by: buckfvr on August 26, 2023, 08:15:30 AM
I know a guy who lost his license for 5 years for " intent to hunt bear over bait", and was told also that if you are even hunting deer/elk over bait and have a bear tag in your pocket, you are guilty of intent. Make no mistake, if you get the ticket, you wont get out of it even with a lawyer.
This is a fact, it happened to a guy I know, its not some random thought I had.
Post by: huntnnw on August 26, 2023, 08:27:52 AM
I know a guy who lost his license for 5 years for " intent to hunt bear over bait", and was told also that if you are even hunting deer/elk over bait and have a bear tag in your pocket, you are guilty of intent. Make no mistake, if you get the ticket, you wont get out of it even with a lawyer.
This is a fact, it happened to a guy I know, its not some random thought I had.
Only way they would know that is if you offered up that info to a warden. Good luck looking on my persons for it
Post by: idahohuntr on August 26, 2023, 08:29:35 AM
I know a guy who lost his license for 5 years for " intent to hunt bear over bait", and was told also that if you are even hunting deer/elk over bait and have a bear tag in your pocket, you are guilty of intent. Make no mistake, if you get the ticket, you wont get out of it even with a lawyer.I feel like there has to be a lot more to this story/case. Not doubting the outcome or what you posted, but it seems like a whole lot of additional contexts and facts would be necessary to have this as an outcome.
Post by: huntnnw on August 26, 2023, 09:01:04 AM
Post by: buckfvr on August 26, 2023, 09:07:55 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on August 26, 2023, 09:13:44 AM
I know a guy who lost his license for 5 years for " intent to hunt bear over bait", and was told also that if you are even hunting deer/elk over bait and have a bear tag in your pocket, you are guilty of intent. Make no mistake, if you get the ticket, you wont get out of it even with a lawyer.I feel like there has to be a lot more to this story/case. Not doubting the outcome or what you posted, but it seems like a whole lot of additional contexts and facts would be necessary to have this as an outcome.
Maybe. Seems like they let repeat offenders off easily and then pick a random guy to throw the book at every once in a while so hard telling.
Post by: Tbar on August 26, 2023, 10:57:33 AM
:yeah:I know a guy who lost his license for 5 years for " intent to hunt bear over bait", and was told also that if you are even hunting deer/elk over bait and have a bear tag in your pocket, you are guilty of intent. Make no mistake, if you get the ticket, you wont get out of it even with a lawyer.I feel like there has to be a lot more to this story/case. Not doubting the outcome or what you posted, but it seems like a whole lot of additional contexts and facts would be necessary to have this as an outcome.
Usually the result is part of the negotiations and prosecutors love to expedite nr crimes with reasonable outcomes.
Post by: harveymarv on August 26, 2023, 01:06:51 PM
- I personally won’t break any fish and game laws.
- there are some WDFW game laws I agree with, and some I don’t.
- If I catch someone doing something illegal and unethical (ie a law I agree with) I’ll turn em in.
- If I see someone doing something illegal but I don’t agree with the law being broken, I’ll probably turn my blind eye towards said activity.
IE if I was the OP I woulda just looked for a new site (or sat the travel route to the bait 400 yards away). Same thing if I see someone shoot an extra large coyote, etc…
As has been pointed out, our days hunting bear and cougar in WA are limited, unless the lawsuit against Inslee succeeds and we get a balanced commission.
Post by: callturner on August 26, 2023, 01:18:52 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 26, 2023, 03:55:19 PM
So if I'm sitting watching a salt block and a bear comes in and Mr. warden sees me watching the bear without a hint of harassing it, I can get cited? Ill take my chances.
I definitely won't be hunting over salt to shoot this little dink.
3 month soak,only bear on the cam.
Pulled cam,took salt with me.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Post by: callturner on August 26, 2023, 04:57:50 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 26, 2023, 04:59:14 PM
I have 6 different bears using mine. Sows, boars, cubs, 5 or6 bucks, moose, 2 coyotes, turkeys, rabbits, several does and fawns. I haven't had any elk for 2 months, but they do show up occasionally. I think getting a ticket for having a tag in your pocket would be like getting a DWI for having a 6 pack in your front seat unopened. It aint happening!I agree,that would be the equivalent.
Post by: vandeman17 on August 26, 2023, 06:48:56 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 26, 2023, 08:35:45 PM
Sitting in a tree stand with alfalfa out during archery deer/elk and a bear comes in. Are we all saying I could not shoot said bear because of my alfalfa out that the bear has zero intent on consuming and was not the reason it passed through?Not saying you can't shoot it. That's up to you.
Just as it's up to the warden to interpret what an attractant is.
Seems the same exact situation as salt to me.
Bear is not gonna eat my salt block,at the same time if a warden decides salt block or alfalfa is an attractant then that's another story.
Not saying what I would do,not saying what's legal or not.
My advise would be to keep that part of your harvest story to yourself. In that situation.
That's all I'm saying.
I have heard a few story's of archery hunters shooting bears,with corn,apples, alfalfa,sweet cob,and such.
Never heard of any getting trouble.
But I'm not them,and I don't believe they told many people.
And I don't archery hunt ,so it not a problem that I have.
But I do use salt blocks,and check my cams. That's where my problem lies.
Post by: callturner on August 26, 2023, 08:43:58 PM