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Post by: NW-GSP on June 05, 2009, 10:55:01 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on June 05, 2009, 10:57:10 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on June 05, 2009, 11:30:05 AM
Post by: NW-GSP on June 05, 2009, 01:13:39 PM
Post by: Lee Root on June 05, 2009, 02:27:23 PM
How many dead deer have you found that hunters have not recovered? Many states do allow for recovery of shot game by leashed dogs. Too bad this isn't one of them as it would be cool to help people find their lost animals. Lee
Post by: Wenatcheejay on June 05, 2009, 05:33:20 PM
Post by: merlo105 on June 05, 2009, 09:43:55 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on June 06, 2009, 11:05:41 AM
Beautiful "German-wirehair", People use the words Deutsch-Drathaar for the dog but yet, The Deutsch Drathaar came from a group of guys who had German wirehairs who selectively bred them with one another in a group to have the best and there for called there dogs Deutsch Drathaar. Beings there dead, it means that it is just a wirehaired even though Drathaar means wire hair. Heads up...
You are very wrong about the Deutsch-Drathaar! Read the info below. I researched the DD before getting my gsp and it was a toss up between the two but my wife thought the gsp pups were cuter but my next dog will be a DD
The Deutsch Drahthaar was created in Germany in the late 19th century by a small group of dedicated breeders who set out to develop a versatile hunting dog that would satisfy all aspects of German hunting in field, forest, and water. This group of breeders succeeded in creating a versatile hunting dog that took its traits from the best dogs of the existing coarse hair breeds, cross bred with the shorthair blood. These ancestors included the Stichelhaar, Pudelpointer, Griffon, and the Deutsch-Kurzhaar.
The Deutsch Drahthaar is a mid-sized, substantial dog. The height at shoulder varies from around 61 to 68 cm for males, and 57 to 64 cm for females. The coat is generally wiry, and tightly fit with a thick under wool. This coat was developed to provide optimal protection form external influences such as moisture, cold and heat, as well as thorns, brush and insects. The extended "eyebrows" and the typical beard give the DD his characteristic appearance. The breed has a variety of colorations. They are: brown and white or black and white ticked usually with some solid patches, and solid brown with or without a white chest patch.
History of the DD
A group of breeders founded the Verein Deutsch Drahthaar (VDD) in May 1902. The driving force behind the Deutsch-Drahthaar, Freiherr Sigismund of Zedlitz and Neukirch, demanded that the primary breeding goal of the hunting dog be versatile performance ability. His thoughts became the principle of the VDD breeding program: "through performance to standard". This principle is still upheld today, with registered breeders following a tradition of required performance and physical evaluation for all of the dogs used in the breeding program.
Many breeders of the German Wirehaired Pointer (GWP) errantly refer to their breed as Drahthaar. In addition to significant differences in breed standard, the Wirehair has been bred without regulation or restriction since the late 1950’s, but especially without the performance testing that proves the ability of the Drahthaar. After years of unrestricted breeding and no versatile performance standards the German Wirehaired Pointer has evolved into a distinctly separate breed. Click here for a little more history on the German Wirehaired Pointer (GWP).
Today's DD is the dog most frequently used by the German hunting establishment, and is rapidly gaining popularity elsewhere, and that is not without reason. The Deutsch-Drahthaar is a passionate, hard-working dog. They are noted for their endurance and willingness to obey, as well as the ability to concentrate on the work at hand. Many breeders of the German Wirehaired Pointer (GWP) errantly refer to their breed as Drahthaar. In addition to significant differences in breed standard, the Wirehair has been bred without regulation or restriction since the late 1950’s, but especially without the performance testing that proves the ability of the Drahthaar. After years of unrestricted breeding and no versatile performance standards the German Wirehaired Pointer has evolved into a distinctly separate breed.After persistently searching the field with a sensitive nose, the DD shows the game by pointing, so that the hunter comes to a calm shot. Shot birds are hunted down and retrieved to the master. In particular, DD's exhibit the characteristic of a retriever of lost game. They do this by their inbred capacity to track and pursue (and even dispatch) wounded game persistently and uncompromisingly in some of the most difficult conditions. This saves the game from unnecessary suffering. Their endurance, swimming ability and heavy coat also make them well suited to waterfowl hunting in the most adverse conditions.
While the Deutsch-Drahthaar is a superb hunting companion, they are also well suited as a family dog. DD's are normally gentle and friendly with children and other dogs, and are known to become protective of their "family" and home. Their intelligence and calm manner help them in adjusting to various living conditions. VDD Breeding Regulations specify that DD's who show unwarranted aggressiveness toward people or other dogs are to be removed from the breeding program, so these traits do not get passed on.
As with all genuine hunting/working dogs, the DD needs legitimate specialty training and consistent guidance. Only when given sufficient training and activity does he seem content.
To get a close up look at this truly versatile hunting companion, please go to our contact page to look for someone in your area. If there is no one in your immediate area, please contact the closest person. He/She can help you to locate a VDD/GNA member in your area.
Post by: PacificNWhunter on June 06, 2009, 08:04:46 PM
Post by: The Weazle on June 06, 2009, 11:57:46 PM
Nice pup! I would love to get a puppy from you someday. Being in the Navy, I dont have the time to dedicate to such a wonderful breed, and wouldnt do it justice. I have talked to you on the phone, and in another 5 years or so, when I "retire" I am going to try and adopt one of your wonderful pups if your still breeding.
Post by: merlo105 on June 07, 2009, 08:16:14 AM
Post by: Lee Root on June 07, 2009, 09:54:25 AM
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Beautiful "German-wirehair", People use the words Deutsch-Drathaar for the dog but yet, The Deutsch Drathaar came from a group of guys who had German wirehairs who selectively bred them with one another in a group to have the best and there for called there dogs Deutsch Drathaar. Beings there dead, it means that it is just a wirehaired even though Drathaar means wire hair. Heads up...
merlo105,
I guess I have to take exception to my dogs being called German-Wirehairs, especially with the proof you offered
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Beings there dead, it means that it is just a wirehaired even though Drathaar means wire hair. Heads up.... But since I just spent the last half hour watching the video link you provided I won't harp on the point to harshly. Linda Franklin is one of the countries biggest promoters of the DD. (She is now, Linda Krull, as she married the guy whose ranch the video was filmed on.) My first DD was the son of a dog that Linda Franklin imported to the US for breeding purposes. I have talked to Linda several times on the phone to get information on Janko vom Swaneburg, my dog's father. I have seen several of the dogs that Linda has bred, as a matter of fact yesterday I trained with a guy who has one of her pups down in the Palouse. The video does a good job of explaining the difference between and American bred AKC or Navhda registered wirehair and the Deutsch-Drahthaar. If I may, I will tell you that the video makes my point better than it does your point.
I joined the Verein Deutsch-Drahtaar in 2001 after sending in my deposit for Blaze (my first DD.) I did so after having hunted over an AKC wirehair for about 9 years. Heidi was a great dog....for upland game. She was the last of a backyard breeding of two AKC wirehairs, half of the pups out of that breeding were just pets, one was destined to be just a show dog. Actually as far as I know she was the only one who was hunted hard. She had one fault....she hated the water. Not very versatile. So when I decided to go with another pup, I went with the DD because I knew that each dog in her pedigree was required to show that it would do water work before it could ever be bred. A point that both Linda and Jameson Parker made in the video.
So please allow me to call my dogs Deutch-Drathaars. They have the pedigrees and the tattoos to prove it. I have taken the time to travel extensively to test them in the testing system that the VDD-GNA provides to have these dogs tested in. Because of their testing they have earned the name that they were given at birth.
Do I then tell you that you cannot get a good hunting AKC or Navhda wirehair? Absolutely not, there are some really good dogs out there from those registries. I just like the fact that all of our breeding DD's are tested and tested extensively before they can even be bred.
On another note I took Dharma and her mother to the training that I told you earlier I went to yesterday and Dharma met her father "Tank" for the first time and tried to bug the hell out of him for a while. I will post pictures when I download them off of my camera.
I hope that this helps you understand where I come from one this discussion. As a breeder of DD's I do know what I am talking about and hope that you take this in an informative manner, as I do not want to have you think it is an attack on you. Lee
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Post by: merlo105 on June 07, 2009, 03:54:25 PM
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Post by: NW-GSP on June 08, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
Post by: Shannon on June 08, 2009, 10:05:43 PM
Lee don't forget me on your next training day. I would like to watch. When is the nearest fall breed test?
Post by: merlo105 on June 08, 2009, 10:14:50 PM
Post by: AWS on June 10, 2009, 08:43:54 PM
He's a hunting machine and a great retriever on land and water. And the sweetest family dog.
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keeping in shape in the off season
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you aren't going anywhere without me
AWS
Post by: NW-GSP on June 12, 2009, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: AWS on June 12, 2009, 07:34:35 PM
AWS
Post by: Lee Root on June 15, 2009, 08:13:25 PM
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She already loves to retrieve. Just fun bumpers for now. We are working on come and of course off so she doesn't jump on me. Hope you don't mind me sharing her progress.
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Lee
Post by: RC3 on June 15, 2009, 08:27:28 PM
I like seeing the progress myself. I am heading to Montana on friday to pick up my new GWP pup so I'll try and keep you posted on how she does as well.
Post by: Rowdy on June 16, 2009, 10:55:33 AM
Jake
Post by: Lee Root on June 16, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
Post by: Lee Root on June 25, 2009, 09:48:42 PM
Dharma in the house. She is progressing well.
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Post by: NW-GSP on June 26, 2009, 11:52:15 AM
Dharma in the house. She is progressing well.
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She is a great looking pup, I cant wait to see what she will look like as an adult
Post by: adam.WI on July 01, 2009, 10:01:50 PM
Post by: Lee Root on July 06, 2009, 09:24:00 PM
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Post by: Lee Root on July 06, 2009, 09:25:34 PM
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Post by: Lee Root on July 11, 2009, 06:49:28 PM
Once we got her back out and showed her a duck it was all we could do to keep her out of the water. She retrieved one of the dead ducks a bunch. Then we were standing around and suddenly realized that she was out in the water on her own, just swimming around.
Enjoy the pictures..Lee
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Post by: Gutpile on July 11, 2009, 07:12:29 PM
Post by: adam.WI on July 11, 2009, 08:28:22 PM
Great looking pup. Looks like your having a great time. Question though. Isn't Deutsch-Drahthaar just the original name for a GWP? Arent they the same thing?check the first two pages ;)
Post by: Machias on July 11, 2009, 08:37:45 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on July 11, 2009, 10:16:57 PM
Post by: Lee Root on September 20, 2009, 08:45:57 PM
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I took about 40 pictures of her tonight and these were a couple where she was actually still...
I had her do about a 150 meter blood track a few weeks ago when I was getting her mother ready for her VGP and Dharma ran it to its end with her nose in the dirt the whole way.
It was cool! Lee
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Post by: NW-GSP on September 21, 2009, 02:15:40 PM
Post by: Lee Root on September 21, 2009, 07:06:12 PM
I heard recently from her father's owner that he and another guy tracked and found a archery killed elk (a nice bull at that!) 18 hours after it was shot. This was in Idaho and the guys had their dogs on long leads or tracking leads. (33 feet long is the requirement for our tests.) He told me that Dharma's father, Tank, was licking the blood on the track.
Makes sense to allow dogs to be used to recover lost game. Many DD owners do it in many states, as do other breeds of dogs.
Post by: RC3 on September 21, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
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Post by: Machias on November 01, 2009, 09:38:12 PM
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Post by: high country on November 19, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
cali and I made a trip to mt. and she flat out hunted the setter and pointer that were along. she hunted hard for 5 days, the other 2 were sure showing the signs of tatter. been slaying pheasants around home lately.
for those who don't know I have one of lee's pups from a previous litter. my dog will flat hunt.
hope to see ya again on a chukar trip lee.....prehaps in a few weeks......same place
Post by: Small_Savage on November 20, 2009, 02:37:41 PM
How many dead deer have you found that hunters have not recovered? Many states do allow for recovery of shot game by leashed dogs. Too bad this isn't one of them as it would be cool to help people find their lost animals. Lee
That would be ideal.
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Post by: Forrestrover on November 20, 2009, 09:37:11 PM