Post by: cougfan79 on November 25, 2023, 08:57:42 AM
Does Idaho have a preference point system?
If a nonresident applies for a controlled hunt and is unsuccessful, do you receive a refund?
Appreciate the assistance, I am more familiar with the Montana a Wyoming systems, but figure I had better start learning Idaho since my daughter now lives there.
Aaron
Post by: pickardjw on November 25, 2023, 09:02:15 AM
Pref point system - no
Refund after applying for controlled hunt - also no (less sure about this one)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 25, 2023, 09:39:26 AM
Post by: addicted1 on November 25, 2023, 09:42:36 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 25, 2023, 09:47:13 AM
Idaho does it right IMO and has no preference points. I do not think there is a refund if not selected for a controlled hunt, there are also limitations on which controlled hunts you can apply for. For example you cannot choose an OIL hunt and ELK/Deer, you must choose one or the other. And, from my understanding you do not need to have an OTC tag to apply for a controlled hunt (but, i could be wrong on this).you are correct. All you need to apply for controlled hunts is a big game license.
Also, you can only hold a controlled hunt tag as a first tag so if you've already purchased a tag you must exchange it for your controlled hunt tag.
Post by: jackelope on November 25, 2023, 10:29:24 AM
Post by: builtfordtough on November 25, 2023, 01:28:15 PM
Post by: jaredwitman on November 29, 2023, 02:44:56 PM
Does Idaho allow straw purchases for OTC tags or does each person in a group need to be present for purchase?
Post by: elkslayer069 on November 29, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
Post by: pickardjw on November 29, 2023, 03:18:25 PM
Quick question, I cant seem to find in the regs..
Does Idaho allow straw purchases for OTC tags or does each person in a group need to be present for purchase?
I've heard that you can buy for others, but only hearsay.
Post by: highside74 on November 29, 2023, 03:31:31 PM
Quick question, I cant seem to find in the regs..
Does Idaho allow straw purchases for OTC tags or does each person in a group need to be present for purchase?
I've heard that you can buy for others, but only hearsay.
Unless it's changed since last year, you can definitely buy for other people in your group as long as you have their info. over the phone or in person.
Post by: elkslayer069 on November 29, 2023, 03:37:07 PM
Post by: pickardjw on November 29, 2023, 03:40:06 PM
Yeah over the phone, in person or login to their account. I was under the impression he meant buying tags for everyone at once to guarantee their group all got a tag. “Straw purchase”
I'm assuming the context is one dude is trying the "in-person" loophole and trying to buy for the group. While they don't allow group apps, if one guy goes in person and buys 4 tags back to back at the counter it might work out that way. :dunno:
Post by: elkslayer069 on November 29, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 29, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
Wonder how many first timers are going to try this year...
Wish they gave preference for some of us OGs :chuckle:
Post by: pickardjw on November 29, 2023, 04:09:18 PM
I smell chaos brewing
Wonder how many first timers are going to try this year...
Wish they gave preference for some of us OGs :chuckle:
:hello: first timer here, looking forward to the disappointment
Anyone know what order elk zones sold out last year?? I keep hearing about the, "one that sells out fastest every year" and have a couple assumptions...but nothing concrete
Post by: addicted1 on November 29, 2023, 04:16:46 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on November 29, 2023, 04:19:47 PM
I smell chaos brewing
Wonder how many first timers are going to try this year...
Wish they gave preference for some of us OGs :chuckle:
I wish social media, YouTube, and the internet would go away lol they’ll all sell out tomorrow except maybe some of the wilderness hunts that seem great but their not
Post by: zwickeyman on November 29, 2023, 04:23:22 PM
Quick question, I cant seem to find in the regs..
Does Idaho allow straw purchases for OTC tags or does each person in a group need to be present for purchase?
I've heard that you can buy for others, but only hearsay.
I bought for a buddy here in town last year and will again this year. Its a loop hole but man the way they do this is pretty crappy. I would rather see a draw where at least you can put in as a group
Post by: highside74 on November 29, 2023, 04:40:30 PM
Yeah over the phone, in person or login to their account. I was under the impression he meant buying tags for everyone at once to guarantee their group all got a tag. “Straw purchase”
I'm assuming the context is one dude is trying the "in-person" loophole and trying to buy for the group. While they don't allow group apps, if one guy goes in person and buys 4 tags back to back at the counter it might work out that way. :dunno:
That is correct. 1 guy can buy for his group back to back to back. So if you are standing in line behind 4 dudes you might actually be behind 120 dude or more.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 29, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 29, 2023, 06:46:40 PM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on November 29, 2023, 07:25:22 PM
2021 in the same order:
24,777 (87%)
2,205 (8%)
813 (3%)
652 (2)
Post by: CarbonHunter on November 29, 2023, 07:38:20 PM
Post by: bear on November 29, 2023, 07:53:40 PM
Post by: The scout on November 29, 2023, 08:03:02 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on November 29, 2023, 08:07:27 PM
Keep posting about it that will help everything
Ding ding ding
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 29, 2023, 08:17:04 PM
Thus the pick your zone requirements.
But I do wish I could go back to the 90s when I started hunting over there
Oh the good days.
Post by: The scout on November 29, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
It stopped being a secret years ago..
Thus the pick your zone requirements.
But I do wish I could go back to the 90s when I started hunting over there
Oh the good days.
That’s why there’s this thread to begin with, and half the info is wrong cus everyone found out years ago.
Post by: pickardjw on November 29, 2023, 08:34:42 PM
Keep posting about it that will help everything
Shouldn't be loophole in the first place.
Post by: Antlershed on November 29, 2023, 08:43:45 PM
There are so many loopholes/additional ways to get tags, and I don’t think they will ever address them.
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on November 30, 2023, 05:34:59 AM
I don’t really think IDFG cares how much of a pain it is. They don’t have to invest any more money into their system, and they still get paid.They are leaving a lot of money on the table by not having a draw for all these tags. Some of the top units would easily take 3+ points to draw if they went to a point system for NR. And they are changing the system, not sure when it will be rolled out... but I was told they're working on a new NR system.
There are so many loopholes/additional ways to get tags, and I don’t think they will ever address them.
Post by: Antlershed on November 30, 2023, 05:48:17 AM
I’m ready for ultimate disappointment tomorrow. :chuckle:
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 30, 2023, 06:08:00 AM
Post by: addicted1 on November 30, 2023, 06:30:53 AM
That’s exactly why there is a demand for Idaho, if they went points system the demand will drop. Points are terrible, Washington draw system is terrible.
Post by: huntnnw on November 30, 2023, 06:47:08 AM
Post by: outdooraddict on November 30, 2023, 07:48:29 AM
the general should be a draw with no points. Let groups put in together on apps so they can all or not get a tag. Not everyone can sit in line, on the phone or the internet all day during business hours to get a tag. They do the draw, whats under drawn goes to the first leftover sale in April and they keep doing what they are doing with return tag sales every month.
I agree. I hate this system they currently have. its a mass failure with online sales, the system is overloaded and crashes, its terrible timing for finances and the upcoming holidays. people that are at work, that dont have the ability to login, stand zero chance, 14,000+ in line finally is allowed to purchase at 6-8pm that night. Just make it a draw, zero points, you either put it for deer and elk, or the big 3. The issue is the money aspect. Idaho knows they will sell every tag and make the max amount of money they can, so why pay for a better system or change the system. money is money and in the end, they will sell every tag tomorrow, and it wont be their issue. They (IDFG) has to know its failed system. However, "everyone has an equal chance" at least in their eyes.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 30, 2023, 08:16:41 AM
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 30, 2023, 08:38:25 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on November 30, 2023, 08:50:07 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 30, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on November 30, 2023, 09:21:00 AM
the general should be a draw with no points. Let groups put in together on apps so they can all or not get a tag. Not everyone can sit in line, on the phone or the internet all day during business hours to get a tag. They do the draw, whats under drawn goes to the first leftover sale in April and they keep doing what they are doing with return tag sales every month.
This exactly. :yeah:
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on November 30, 2023, 10:10:47 AM
Points systems leave alot of money on the table, but they are a ponzi scheme and no hunter should be in favor of preference systems. They can only work correctly if the demand remains stable. Not only are they seldom stable, they are never better, and they are never in favor of NR.How does a point system leave a lot of money on the table? I hate point systems, but do you think ID isn't looking at neighboring states like MT & WY and thinking huh..... we could charge for a NR OTC draw & we could charge for retaining points, all while not having our systems crash, and hear non stop complaining from NR about Idaho's bad system and how they cant hunt as a group anymore.
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on November 30, 2023, 10:14:50 AM
:yeah:You ever apply in any other state? They all have demand through the roof, most with a point system. But yeah, I wish it would stay the way it is. WA's horrible management is a big part of the demand for ID
That’s exactly why there is a demand for Idaho, if they went points system the demand will drop. Points are terrible, Washington draw system is terrible.
Post by: 22shtur on November 30, 2023, 01:40:14 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on November 30, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
It stopped being a secret years ago..
Thus the pick your zone requirements.
But I do wish I could go back to the 90s when I started hunting over there
Oh the good days.
Used to stop in Orofino before we went up the mountain and buy our tags in a mom and pop grocery store with a license counter.
Gary
Post by: cem3434 on November 30, 2023, 05:19:34 PM
My brother and his friend are driving 6 1/2 hours one way tomorrow to wait in line outside all night so they can buy 10 elk tags on Friday
2 guys are buying 10 elk tags???? Let me know how that works out for them.
Post by: bear on November 30, 2023, 06:41:23 PM
My brother and his friend are driving 6 1/2 hours one way tomorrow to wait in line outside all night so they can buy 10 elk tags on Friday
2 guys are buying 10 elk tags???? Let me know how that works out for them.
Wasn’t a problem the last few years for them
Post by: CarbonHunter on November 30, 2023, 08:54:59 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on December 01, 2023, 08:55:51 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on December 01, 2023, 08:56:36 AM
Our gas station in st Maries right now has guys parked around the block and you can’t even get inside the store 😂😜
All seems fair :o
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2023, 08:58:22 AM
Our gas station in st Maries right now has guys parked around the block and you can’t even get inside the store 😂😜
All seems fair :o
They are probably logged in on their phones for the online and on hold for customer service as well... :chuckle:
Post by: Longfield1 on December 01, 2023, 09:02:24 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 01, 2023, 09:03:35 AM
Post by: knighttime25 on December 01, 2023, 09:05:00 AM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on December 01, 2023, 09:05:45 AM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 01, 2023, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 09:06:40 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on December 01, 2023, 09:07:38 AM
Post by: jowings22 on December 01, 2023, 09:07:47 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 09:07:56 AM
Post by: Sneaky on December 01, 2023, 09:08:22 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 09:08:37 AM
Does anybody know how many they let in at once?
The first batch was 25
Post by: HoopsNHorns on December 01, 2023, 09:08:40 AM
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Post by: Jharristealth on December 01, 2023, 09:08:48 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 01, 2023, 09:08:57 AM
Post by: elk79 on December 01, 2023, 09:09:23 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 09:10:55 AM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 01, 2023, 09:11:11 AM
Post by: Longfield1 on December 01, 2023, 09:13:22 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2023, 09:14:09 AM
3 tags are already sold out
Back door deals to sell to family and or friends..
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 01, 2023, 09:14:59 AM
Post by: ballpark on December 01, 2023, 09:16:38 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
Post by: skidynastar33 on December 01, 2023, 09:17:28 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2023, 09:17:44 AM
10a whitetail sold out
That is a great area for Whitetail.
Gary
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2023, 09:18:53 AM
New common core math or what
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 09:19:00 AM
Can anyone beat 45,650???? I think I win
I’m pretty sure anyone over 12k won the right to hunt Washington again in 2024
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on December 01, 2023, 09:23:51 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on December 01, 2023, 09:24:49 AM
10a whitetail sold outDoesn't show it sold out yet!?
Post by: vandeman17 on December 01, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 01, 2023, 09:26:43 AM
10a whitetail sold outDoesn't show it sold out yet!?
lol I know was joking.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2023, 09:29:01 AM
amazing how the number of people ahead of me is going up not down. What a shat show
Ya I don't understand how it's possible
I've had 20 people added in front of me on the phone.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 01, 2023, 09:31:56 AM
amazing how the number of people ahead of me is going up not down. What a shat show
Ya I don't understand how it's possible
I've had 20 people added in front of me on the phone.
I've had 641 callers ahead of me in the phone que for 30 minutes? Number hasn't changed since I called in... :o
Post by: pickardjw on December 01, 2023, 09:33:52 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 01, 2023, 09:36:42 AM
Post by: highside74 on December 01, 2023, 09:40:57 AM
Post by: elkhunter00 on December 01, 2023, 09:43:29 AM
Post by: highside74 on December 01, 2023, 09:47:25 AM
Post by: ganghis on December 01, 2023, 09:49:39 AM
Post by: hoytxl2009 on December 01, 2023, 09:59:08 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 10:12:48 AM
This means my online spot is up for auction. How much is it worth? :chuckle:
Post by: elkboy on December 01, 2023, 10:15:09 AM
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on December 01, 2023, 10:16:36 AM
I logged in on my laptop at 630. 2700 in front of me. Logged my wife in on my phone at 632 and had 27000 in front.You realize it doesn't matter what time you log in right? It doesn't matter if you're 3 hrs early, or at 8:59, you are given a random #
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on December 01, 2023, 10:18:34 AM
They should put a limit on the number of tags you can buy for friends... there's some serious heartburn for a lot of folks here in the Idaho store where I'm waiting my turn...You should only be allowed to buy for immediate family in my opinion, and only log into one device
Post by: HillHound on December 01, 2023, 10:20:08 AM
Post by: HillHound on December 01, 2023, 10:34:48 AM
Sure what the answer is. Glad he kept his place in line, even if it is 12000
Post by: Scott19d on December 01, 2023, 10:51:13 AM
Hopes were high and I waited about an hour for my turn on the app. Went to a screen that said I was being re-directed to the website, BOOM! Kicked me out of line! Said my number in line had already been used!
I miss the days when the sold more than 800 DAV tags.
DAV tags are all sold out now so here's to hunting Washington this year!
Post by: GASoline71 on December 01, 2023, 10:56:44 AM
Gary
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2023, 10:57:25 AM
Moved allot faster than last year.
Post by: addicted1 on December 01, 2023, 11:00:29 AM
Post by: jowings22 on December 01, 2023, 11:03:58 AM
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on December 01, 2023, 11:04:33 AM
Post by: duckman18 on December 01, 2023, 11:07:29 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: Longfield1 on December 01, 2023, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: Brushbuster on December 01, 2023, 11:16:02 AM
Post by: kball4 on December 01, 2023, 11:24:16 AM
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on December 01, 2023, 11:40:10 AM
How is waiting in a virtual line with 50k people any better than changing all non-resident hunts to controlled.Well its free for one
Post by: TeacherMan on December 01, 2023, 11:40:24 AM
Well I bought a panhandle A elk tag. I know it’s thick and tough but I don’t want to hunt elk in Washington next year.
Great tag 🤙🏻
Post by: TeacherMan on December 01, 2023, 11:44:42 AM
Post by: elkslayer069 on December 01, 2023, 11:49:10 AM
Post by: 22shtur on December 01, 2023, 11:51:27 AM
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 01, 2023, 12:00:16 PM
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Post by: Craig on December 01, 2023, 12:05:22 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2023, 12:09:59 PM
Seemed every guy in line was buying 10-20 tags.
I think that's something that needs to be addressed.
Post by: zwickeyman on December 01, 2023, 12:17:12 PM
Post by: 3nails on December 01, 2023, 12:18:19 PM
How is waiting in a virtual line with 50k people any better than changing all non-resident hunts to controlled.It's basically a controlled hunt now the way it is only free and you don't have to wait months to find out results. Heck I haven't even unpacked from my Montana hunt and I already have 10a whitetail tags.
Post by: addicted1 on December 01, 2023, 12:28:43 PM
I got my first buddy a tag in 3 minutes then went to the back of the line and got my other buddy a tag 20 minutes later. I saw a lady buy 5 peoples tags with 20 people behind her. I would be pissed. The vendors and customers need to complain alot about how this is being ran. Its just not a fair system at all. If you dont know someone in Idaho or its too far to drive you are probably screwed
Not necessarily, I am in that boat and the last two years got what I was after although it’s not necessarily one of the desired units (it’s my desired unit).
Post by: vandeman17 on December 01, 2023, 12:29:53 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 01, 2023, 12:34:41 PM
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 01:12:20 PM
Snagged a Salmon B elk tag and and a 21a deer tag. Looking forward to learning some new terrain!This was the combo we were hoping for but with our places in line, no chance (and one of the places was 2400).
Post by: vandeman17 on December 01, 2023, 01:13:32 PM
Snagged a Salmon B elk tag and and a 21a deer tag. Looking forward to learning some new terrain!This was the combo we were hoping for but with our places in line, no chance (and one of the places was 2400).
That is the issue. Even with a lower number, you are still basically hosed because one guy can be low or in person and buy up a bunch of tags.
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 01:14:10 PM
31214 and was logged in early. Something stinks here :dunno:Doesn’t matter what time you logged in, the number is randomly assigned. A few of us here tried at work, signing in at the same time. Lowest was 5206, highest was 34000.
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 01, 2023, 01:25:38 PM
Feeling like I don’t deserve my over the counter Idaho resident tag that I take so for granted. Talked to a guy at the gas station here this morning that left the west side last night after work, drove all night and then slept in the parking lot of our gas station. Woke up at 5 and got in line to waitI cant wait until I can get resident tagsThat’s a ton more effort than I put in, just saying
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Post by: BUTTER on December 01, 2023, 01:28:02 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 01, 2023, 02:09:18 PM
I used to think that a draw would he better but dont anymore.
I think this way is easier to get a tag than a draw would be also. Waiting around all day is a barrier to entry that im sure thins the pool over just applying for a draw. :twocents:
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 01, 2023, 02:24:23 PM
I much prefer how it went today over a draw. The logging in and waiting for a number and watching it until you get in is better than drugs! :chuckle:
I used to think that a draw would he better but dont anymore.
I think this way is easier to get a tag than a draw would be also. Waiting around all day is a barrier to entry that im sure thins the pool over just applying for a draw. :twocents:
You shut your dirty mouth, this system is horrible and you won't convince me otherwise! :chuckle:
Had I been 30 seconds earlier I'd be singing an entirely different tune
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 03:16:17 PM
Post by: pickardjw on December 01, 2023, 03:23:19 PM
Though with the way they did sign in after your number was called, that wouldn't really work.
Post by: Brushbuster on December 01, 2023, 03:53:26 PM
Post by: goosehunter12 on December 01, 2023, 04:18:08 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 01, 2023, 04:18:27 PM
The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.do you have a car? Can you drive to Idaho? It’s a choice to do online or go to a retailer. Take a day off work and go get your tags if you want one that bad.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 01, 2023, 04:19:52 PM
The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.do you have a car? Can you drive to Idaho? It’s a choice to do online or go to a retailer. Take a day off work and go get your tags if you want one that bad.
lol
Post by: millerwheeler on December 01, 2023, 05:53:05 PM
The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Post by: highside74 on December 01, 2023, 06:00:37 PM
The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Especially when online placement is completely random. I logged in over 2 hours waiting in the room and got 40193. I know husbands and wives that logged in at 9am and got 7000 and 14000. Luckily I had arrangements in place or I'd be sol
Post by: pickardjw on December 01, 2023, 06:02:16 PM
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 01, 2023, 06:07:01 PM
And people camping overnight by the hundreds.
Next year I guess you'll have to get in line two days early... :o
And ya.
Limit in person tags to just the purchaser...lots of locals buying tags for out of state friends...
Post by: Chesapeake on December 01, 2023, 06:15:00 PM
The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
That would pull the sales money and business from the local vendors and push it all to the online vendor. I’m sure the shops sell some goods as well to folks who come in to purchase.
I paid a $30 convenience fee today online.
Post by: millerwheeler on December 01, 2023, 06:18:59 PM
I'm fine with the in person loophole. But they should only be able to buy tags for themselves.
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
It’s not a loophole it’s the system most people who do that don’t want there hunt camps broke up hence the extra effort
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 06:46:37 PM
The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
That would pull the sales money and business from the local vendors and push it all to the online vendor. I’m sure the shops sell some goods as well to folks who come in to purchase.
I paid a $30 convenience fee today online.
Heck I say make it in person only for the first few hours then open it up to online. How many people bought a tag online today that they either don’t know the territory or will end up returning it? I bet far more than those who drove to Idaho and bought their tags.
Post by: cem3434 on December 01, 2023, 06:54:56 PM
I'm fine with the in person loophole. But they should only be able to buy tags for themselves.
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
:yeah: You should only be allowed to buy your tag(s) in person.
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 06:59:07 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 07:04:43 PM
Post by: cem3434 on December 01, 2023, 07:04:56 PM
I'm fine with the in person loophole. But they should only be able to buy tags for themselves.
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
It’s not a loophole it’s the system most people who do that don’t want there hunt camps broke up hence the extra effort
That is ridiculous if you really consider this "extra" effort. That mentality is what will ultimately lead to Idaho just going to away from an OTC system altogether. Sending one guy to buy multiple people's licenses should not be allowed period unless it is for direct family member i.e. brother, kid, wife.
Post by: cem3434 on December 01, 2023, 07:08:14 PM
The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
That would pull the sales money and business from the local vendors and push it all to the online vendor. I’m sure the shops sell some goods as well to folks who come in to purchase.
I paid a $30 convenience fee today online.
That's a credit card fee, which I'm fairly certain you still pay in person when using your credit or debit ccard.
Post by: pickardjw on December 01, 2023, 07:10:20 PM
I'm fine with the in person loophole. But they should only be able to buy tags for themselves.
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
It’s not a loophole it’s the system most people who do that don’t want *their*hunt camps broke up hence the extra effort
"A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the purpose, implied or explicitly stated, of the system."
It's a loophole. If you want to keep the group together, go buy your tags as a group.
:yeah:I'm fine with the in person loophole. But they should only be able to buy tags for themselves.
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
It’s not a loophole it’s the system most people who do that don’t want there hunt camps broke up hence the extra effort
That is ridiculous if you really consider this "extra" effort. That mentality is what will ultimately lead to Idaho just going to away from an OTC system altogether. Sending one guy to buy multiple people's licenses should not be allowed period unless it is for direct family member i.e. brother, kid, wife.
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 07:14:51 PM
I'm fine with the in person loophole. But they should only be able to buy tags for themselves.
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
It’s not a loophole it’s the system most people who do that don’t want *their*hunt camps broke up hence the extra effort
"A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the purpose, implied or explicitly stated, of the system."
It's a loophole. If you want to keep the group together, go buy your tags as a group.:yeah:I'm fine with the in person loophole. But they should only be able to buy tags for themselves.
Guys online can't group app, but you can send one buddy to buy 10 tags in person? That's BS.
It’s not a loophole it’s the system most people who do that don’t want there hunt camps broke up hence the extra effort
That is ridiculous if you really consider this "extra" effort. That mentality is what will ultimately lead to Idaho just going to away from an OTC system altogether. Sending one guy to buy multiple people's licenses should not be allowed period unless it is for direct family member i.e. brother, kid, wife.
It’s called “over the counter” not “over the internet”. Tags were sold in person only for a 100 years before the internet circumvented the process of buying tags.
Post by: pickardjw on December 01, 2023, 07:22:43 PM
It’s called “over the counter” not “over the internet”. Tags were sold in person only for a 100 years before the internet circumvented the process of buying tags.
I have no problem with in-person sales not being subject to the online queue.
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 07:23:56 PM
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 07:25:37 PM
It’s called “over the counter” not “over the internet”. Tags were sold in person only for a 100 years before the internet circumvented the process of buying tags.
I have no problem with in-person sales not being subject to the online queue.
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 07:28:48 PM
“Mules”, in person, or over the internet is not the worst of it fellas. There is something bigger here, fraud in my opinion and, it seems, money laundering. There is a reason why the best tags sell so quick and then everything goes slower after that. The system is gamed big time and there are people making big money off of it, off of us….Do you have some proof of this, or?
Not that I don’t love a good conspiracy theory. I’m just wondering if there’s anything behind the theory.
I mean it makes 100% sense that it would slow down after the best tags go. For instance, my party had a top four elk zones and once they were gone we didn’t pursue other tags. I’m sure lots of people do that, which would explain that.
Not to mention some of the first ones that sold out only had a handful of tags available.
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 07:31:03 PM
It’s all the social media hype that has turned Idaho into a joke. Along with the residents complaining there were too many hunters which led to them eliminating statewide deer tags.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 01, 2023, 07:41:51 PM
If you stopped internet sales there would still be tags available when you drove over in October to go hunting just like there used to be.
It’s all the social media hype that has turned Idaho into a joke. Along with the residents complaining there were too many hunters which led to them eliminating statewide deer tags.
I’m a fan of choosing units to hunt. It needs to be regulated.
Post by: highside74 on December 01, 2023, 07:42:50 PM
“Mules”, in person, or over the internet is not the worst of it fellas. There is something bigger here, fraud in my opinion and, it seems, money laundering. There is a reason why the best tags sell so quick and then everything goes slower after that. The system is gamed big time and there are people making big money off of it, off of us….Do you have some proof of this, or?
Not that I don’t love a good conspiracy theory. I’m just wondering if there’s anything behind the theory.
I mean it makes 100% sense that it would slow down after the best tags go. For instance, my party had a top four elk zones and once they were gone we didn’t pursue other tags. I’m sure lots of people do that, which would explain that.
Not to mention some of the first ones that sold out only had a handful of tags available.
My buddy was 8th in line. The guys that were 5 and 6 both left because the tags they were there for sold out just before they got to the counter. Of course the popular stuff sells first and then it slows down. I would expect it to.
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 07:44:43 PM
My buddy was 8th in line. The guys that were 5 and 6 both left because the tags they were there for sold out just before they got to the counter. Of course the popular stuff sells first and then it slows down. I would expect it to.
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 07:45:52 PM
It will be abundantly clear just how that can happen.When will it be clear?! Don’t hold us in suspense!My buddy was 8th in line. The guys that were 5 and 6 both left because the tags they were there for sold out just before they got to the counter. Of course the popular stuff sells first and then it slows down. I would expect it to.
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 07:46:36 PM
If you stopped internet sales there would still be tags available when you drove over in October to go hunting just like there used to be.
It’s all the social media hype that has turned Idaho into a joke. Along with the residents complaining there were too many hunters which led to them eliminating statewide deer tags.
I’m a fan of choosing units to hunt. It needs to be regulated.
I would support the quotas if they aligned them with the elk units and changed the way the set the quota. It should be based either on the amount of public land or the deer population. Not 10% of the amount of residents who claimed they hunted that unit. This just leads to additional crowding in the most hunted units.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 01, 2023, 07:49:07 PM
If you stopped internet sales there would still be tags available when you drove over in October to go hunting just like there used to be.
It’s all the social media hype that has turned Idaho into a joke. Along with the residents complaining there were too many hunters which led to them eliminating statewide deer tags.
I’m a fan of choosing units to hunt. It needs to be regulated.
I would support the quotas if they aligned them with the elk units and changed the way the set the quota. It should be based either on the amount of public land or the deer population. Not 10% of the amount of residents who claimed they hunted that unit. This just leads to additional crowding in the most hunted units.
Ya it should be scientific for sure! I didn’t realize it wasn’t. Idaho disappoints me more and more
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 01, 2023, 07:50:56 PM
2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases
3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 07:59:03 PM
It will be abundantly clear just how that can happen.When will it be clear?! Don’t hold us in suspense!My buddy was 8th in line. The guys that were 5 and 6 both left because the tags they were there for sold out just before they got to the counter. Of course the popular stuff sells first and then it slows down. I would expect it to.
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 08:01:27 PM
The needed info has been forwarded to the proper individuals. The system is absolutely terrible and rife with fraud and there are people making a ton of money off this today other the the State of Idaho.Why not just air it out?!It will be abundantly clear just how that can happen.When will it be clear?! Don’t hold us in suspense!My buddy was 8th in line. The guys that were 5 and 6 both left because the tags they were there for sold out just before they got to the counter. Of course the popular stuff sells first and then it slows down. I would expect it to.
I did hear about people collecting money to wait in line for folks but that’s not exactly fraud, just kinda capitalism. Maybe operating without a business license.
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 08:02:32 PM
1) Must log in to account to get in virtual waiting room. Eliminates multiple devicesI think these would be logical changes.
2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases
3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group
Sounds like there will be some changes next year.
I would probably be in favor of a December draw for general tags. That is effectively what it would be, anyway.
Post by: bear on December 01, 2023, 08:08:40 PM
1) Must log in to account to get in virtual waiting room. Eliminates multiple devicesI think these would be logical changes.
2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases
3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group
Sounds like there will be some changes next year.
I would probably be in favor of a December draw for general tags. That is effectively what it would be, anyway.
Been hearing about changes for years now. None have happened other than maybe a smoother running online sales
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 08:09:01 PM
1) Must log in to account to get in virtual waiting room. Eliminates multiple devicesI think these would be logical changes.
2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases
3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group
Sounds like there will be some changes next year.
I would probably be in favor of a December draw for general tags. That is effectively what it would be, anyway.
People have been saying “they will change the system” for 3 years and yet no change. Idaho made millions of dollars in a matter of hours. It works for them.
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 08:10:50 PM
The needed info has been forwarded to the proper individuals. The system is absolutely terrible and rife with fraud and there are people making a ton of money off this today other the the State of Idaho.Why not just air it out?!It will be abundantly clear just how that can happen.When will it be clear?! Don’t hold us in suspense!My buddy was 8th in line. The guys that were 5 and 6 both left because the tags they were there for sold out just before they got to the counter. Of course the popular stuff sells first and then it slows down. I would expect it to.
I did hear about people collecting money to wait in line for folks but that’s not exactly fraud, just kinda capitalism. Maybe operating without a business license.
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 08:10:51 PM
How many years? The new rules just started in 2021. Lol.1) Must log in to account to get in virtual waiting room. Eliminates multiple devicesI think these would be logical changes.
2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases
3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group
Sounds like there will be some changes next year.
I would probably be in favor of a December draw for general tags. That is effectively what it would be, anyway.
Been hearing about changes for years now. None have happened other than maybe a smoother running online sales
I
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 08:21:52 PM
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 01, 2023, 08:26:59 PM
This is what I am going to say, think about it....So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?
I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 08:37:41 PM
This is what I am going to say, think about it....So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?
I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.
Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
This is what I am going to say, think about it....So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?
I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.
Post by: 300rum on December 01, 2023, 08:41:41 PM
This is what I am going to say, think about it....So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?
I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.
Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.
Post by: TeacherMan on December 01, 2023, 08:45:30 PM
There where lines at places that have never had lines before...like way off the beaten path places...
And people camping overnight by the hundreds.
Next year I guess you'll have to get in line two days early... :o
And ya.
Limit in person tags to just the purchaser...lots of locals buying tags for out of state friends...
Yeah St. Maries 😂😜 It was crazy. Last year the store owner said two guys were there waiting, this year there wasn’t a place to park within 3 blocks of the store. Complete craziness!
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 01, 2023, 08:49:23 PM
How much is it worth to be one of the first few put in at 9am?This is what I am going to say, think about it....So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?
I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.
Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.
This is no different than the outfits that front your draw fees for you and apply for you in multiple state draws for a fee. They still have to hand jam all the entries in and they typically have a couple registers with people going one after another for about an hour. It’s called capitalism and they found a way to make money on the system. Not a crime.
Now if they were creating fake tags that would be a crime. Which in Montana is extremely easy to do these days given they allowed people to start printing there own tags…
Post by: big wood on December 01, 2023, 09:06:45 PM
Post by: R2Rcoulee on December 01, 2023, 09:22:07 PM
I agree that in person tags should just be to the purchaser. I was number 33 at a store in Idaho & most guys in front of me were buying for their buddies. One guy bought 8 tags. So really I was probably 150 in line at the store. If you want to hunt as a group take the day off of work & go as a group a day early & get in line.There where lines at places that have never had lines before...like way off the beaten path places...
And people camping overnight by the hundreds.
Next year I guess you'll have to get in line two days early... :o
And ya.
Limit in person tags to just the purchaser...lots of locals buying tags for out of state friends...
Yeah St. Maries 😂😜 It was crazy. Last year the store owner said two guys were there waiting, this year there wasn’t a place to park within 3 blocks of the store. Complete craziness!
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 01, 2023, 09:23:32 PM
How much is it worth to be one of the first few put in at 9am?You realize that these are OTC tags dont you? Its not antelope island.This is what I am going to say, think about it....So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?
I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.
Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.
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Post by: Jimmy33 on December 01, 2023, 09:24:34 PM
I have been going to idaho since I killed my first bull at 15 in 1985. You either bought you tag in person or filled out the app and mailed it in with a cashiers check. We always got our tags. Since internet and social media it definitely has changed. Go hunt, eastmans, hunting fool all send notices reminding you of sale dates and times. which is part of the hunt being organized in remembering deadlines. I say raise price 1000Please no…the OTC tags that Idaho sells are expensive enough
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Post by: fowl smacker on December 01, 2023, 09:38:42 PM
I have been going to idaho since I killed my first bull at 15 in 1985. You either bought you tag in person or filled out the app and mailed it in with a cashiers check. We always got our tags. Since internet and social media it definitely has changed. Go hunt, eastmans, hunting fool all send notices reminding you of sale dates and times. which is part of the hunt being organized in remembering deadlines. I say raise price 1000If our state was managed how it should be there wouldn't be as long of lines for Idaho.
Post by: OltHunter on December 01, 2023, 10:08:09 PM
Most of these units are unlimited to residents. I did pickup a deer unit in an A tag zone I'm going to help with my buddies on for archery so I'm not speaking out of bitterness.
Post by: bear on December 02, 2023, 07:06:21 AM
How many years? The new rules just started in 2021. Lol.1) Must log in to account to get in virtual waiting room. Eliminates multiple devicesI think these would be logical changes.
2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases
3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group
Sounds like there will be some changes next year.
I would probably be in favor of a December draw for general tags. That is effectively what it would be, anyway.
Been hearing about changes for years now. None have happened other than maybe a smoother running online sales
I
At least 3. If your not willing to drive 13 hours round trip and sleep outside in the snow overnight to get a tag then maybe you don’t want one bad enough. Lol. FYI, I don’t do it because there isn’t a tag worth it to me.
Post by: Chesapeake on December 02, 2023, 07:57:11 AM
This is what I am going to say, think about it....
If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you.
At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly, no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online. All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly. Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.
I think you’re implying that folks have built scripts that run through the application process on the vendor portal.
Some web sites have security to prevent such scripts from being run, but no idea if the Idaho site has such.
Folks setting up scripts to game such systems isn’t a new thing.
Post by: big wood on December 02, 2023, 07:58:13 AM
Post by: millerwheeler on December 02, 2023, 08:14:15 AM
More like 18 hours. Roads we unbelievably crappy. Plus taking 2 days off work
Roads were nuts couldn’t believe how many semi we saw flipped or in ditch and so many accidents . It’s and adventure
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 02, 2023, 09:56:32 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 02, 2023, 10:31:56 AM
I know about 6 people that had that happen
I tried to add license and tags and got the thinking circle of death for about ten seconds.
I quickly canceled my request....I repeated the process without incident..
Definitely an overload issue or system hiccup.
Post by: Brushbuster on December 02, 2023, 10:34:06 AM
Dec 2020: 88% Internet 6% vendors 3% IDF&G Ofc 3% Telephone
Dec 2021: 87% Internet 8% vendors 3% IDF&G Ofc 2% Telephone
Dec 2022: 77% Internet 15% vendors 4% IDF&G Ofc 4% Telephone
I don't see 2023 yet but the trend is looking like in-person is increasing as online decreasing.
Post by: big wood on December 02, 2023, 10:40:16 AM
Post by: time2hunt on December 02, 2023, 10:53:32 AM
More like 18 hours. Roads we unbelievably crappy. Plus taking 2 days off workJust cheaper to buy Super tags
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Post by: Mtnwalker on December 02, 2023, 11:17:37 AM
I can't get the table to post but here is some info on tag sales by year & location.
Dec 2020: 88% Internet 6% vendors 3% IF&G Ofc 3% Telephone
Dec 2021: 87% Internet 8% vendors 3% IDF&G Ofc 2% Telephone
Dec 2022: 77% Internet 15% vendors 4% IDF&G Ofc 4% Telephone
I don't see 2023 yet but the trend is looking like in-person is increasing as online decreasing.
Next year is on a weekend, then you’ll really see the number shoot up
Post by: HillHound on December 02, 2023, 12:00:09 PM
Another thing that would be better is having 2 sales 1 for deer and 1 a week later for elk. Lots of deer guys are plugging the computer up for elk guys. You may get a deer tag and not an elk tag. Instead of getting a low number in the que and getting both. Or a guy online in front of you buying a deer tag while your elk tag sells out in 16 minutes. R:yeah: I was just saying This same thing at camp the other day.
Post by: BUTTER on December 02, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on December 02, 2023, 01:46:51 PM
Idaho isn't going to change anything for WA non residents this thread is pointless
Yup they love the money and the money it draws on all the hunts
Post by: dilleytech on December 02, 2023, 02:25:03 PM
You’re probably right that they would make even more of it went to a draw, but I think any kind of points system might turn some people off from Idaho. Who knows though.
I’m ready for ultimate disappointment tomorrow. :chuckle:
For some, I would hunt Idaho More and be more into Idaho if they went to an all draw system. The current system for tags purchasing makes Idaho not worth the hassle for me. I might try again to get a late season whitetail tag but I’m Not driving to Idaho to get one. I would buy points every year though if they went that route.
Post by: idaho guy on December 02, 2023, 04:29:09 PM
Points systems leave alot of money on the table, but they are a ponzi scheme and no hunter should be in favor of preference systems. They can only work correctly if the demand remains stable. Not only are they seldom stable, they are never better, and they are never in favor of NR.
:yeah:
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 02, 2023, 05:35:30 PM
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Post by: cem3434 on December 02, 2023, 05:54:58 PM
Idaho has the best draw system in the world. No need to change it now. Plenty of opportunity for OTC hunters both resident and non resident and a chance at some of the best draw hunts, both OIL and other, every year in the west…whats not to like?
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:yeah: Amen to that, we dont need another state with a messed up points system.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 02, 2023, 06:32:18 PM
Post by: X-Force on December 02, 2023, 06:46:07 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 02, 2023, 06:51:01 PM
Limit in person buys to one tag other than yourself, no buying for 5 or 10 others. Family with the same last name excluded from that limit.
Just those two should have a big impact.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 02, 2023, 07:13:41 PM
Log in to your account in order to get "in line," and can't have a bunch of phones, tablets, computers getting a place or clogging the system.
Limit in person buys to one tag other than yourself, no buying for 5 or 10 others. Family with the same last name excluded from that limit.
Just those two should have a big impact.
:yeah:
Post by: Brushbuster on December 02, 2023, 08:27:32 PM
Log in to your account in order to get "in line," and can't have a bunch of phones, tablets, computers getting a place or clogging the system.
Limit in person buys to one tag other than yourself, no buying for 5 or 10 others. Family with the same last name excluded from that limit.
Just those two should have a big impact.
:yeah:
Part 1. I'm good with the first part.
Part 2. Must be present & one person gets one tag the same as it is for online folks.
Thanks for the discussion minus the snarky comments. :tup: :tup:
Post by: emac on December 02, 2023, 08:46:07 PM
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Post by: dreamingbig on December 03, 2023, 12:59:22 AM
I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse). Photo ID required.The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.
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Post by: HereDuckyDucky on December 06, 2023, 08:45:37 PM
Compared to Washington, Idaho is doing things right. Lots of OTC opportunities, the draw is straight forward with none of this point crap.
Amen. I will take Idaho’s system over WA every time.
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Post by: Machias on December 11, 2023, 12:56:53 PM
No draw system. I was able to draw and fill my moose tag in 3 years. My wife drew hers the first year she applied. She didn't get her moose, but in 2 years she can start applying again.
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 11, 2023, 08:58:52 PM
So glad I moved here 5 years ago! :)…just rub it in why dont you
No draw system. I was able to draw and fill my moose tag in 3 years. My wife drew hers the first year she applied. She didn't get her moose, but in 2 years she can start applying again.
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 11, 2023, 09:12:57 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on December 12, 2023, 08:40:35 AM
Love Idaho’s current nonres system - hope they don’t change it.
Don't change the system, just update the draw/purchase process and I think everyone would be happy. :twocents:
Post by: 7mmfan on December 12, 2023, 08:47:58 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on December 12, 2023, 09:02:20 AM
As has been said, the main issue for many people is the lack of ability to purchase as a group. I have a group of 4-5 guys who used to hunt together in Idaho every year. We haven't been able to do that since they went to this system. I'd gladly keep it the way it is as long as we had a real opportunity to get the whole group tags so we could hunt together again.
For me, I don't like the ability for one person to be able to buy for as many people as they want. It theory, its nice so that you can get a group of guys like you mentioned but I can easily see this being abused down the road
Post by: bearpaw on December 12, 2023, 09:25:06 AM
I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse). Photo ID required.The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.
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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.
They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.
I think that would be the single best improvement.
What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 12, 2023, 09:38:26 AM
As has been said, the main issue for many people is the lack of ability to purchase as a group. I have a group of 4-5 guys who used to hunt together in Idaho every year. We haven't been able to do that since they went to this system. I'd gladly keep it the way it is as long as we had a real opportunity to get the whole group tags so we could hunt together again.
For me, I don't like the ability for one person to be able to buy for as many people as they want. It theory, its nice so that you can get a group of guys like you mentioned but I can easily see this being abused down the road
Unfortunately it's already being abused by people buying in person. Giving us the ability to do it online would just allow everyone that can't drive to Idaho to buy tags to have a chance to get tags as a group. If nothing changes, I will be driving to Idaho next year.
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 12, 2023, 09:39:04 AM
I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse). Photo ID required.The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.
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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.
They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.
I think that would be the single best improvement.
What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.
Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right
Post by: bearpaw on December 12, 2023, 09:56:31 AM
I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse). Photo ID required.The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.
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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.
They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.
I think that would be the single best improvement.
What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.
Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right
That's a bit different scenario than what I referenced. With all the tag application services I'm surprised more of that isn't occurring, maybe it is occurring and I don't know it? I'm not saying it is bad or good, just that I'm unaware. :dunno:
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 12, 2023, 09:58:36 AM
I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse). Photo ID required.The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.
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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.
They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.
I think that would be the single best improvement.
What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.
Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right
That's a bit different scenario than what I referenced. With all the tag application services I'm surprised more of that isn't occurring, maybe it is occurring and I don't know it? I'm not saying it is bad or good, just that I'm unaware. :dunno:
I was just pointing out the major flaw with allowing unrepresented group buys in person. Not speaking to the prevalence of this, but I am confident it will continue to escalate if left unaddressed
Post by: vandeman17 on December 12, 2023, 09:59:55 AM
I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse). Photo ID required.The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.
So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort
Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.
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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.
They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.
I think that would be the single best improvement.
What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.
Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right
That's a bit different scenario than what I referenced. With all the tag application services I'm surprised more of that isn't occurring, maybe it is occurring and I don't know it? I'm not saying it is bad or good, just that I'm unaware. :dunno:
I was just pointing out the major flaw with allowing unrepresented group buys in person. Not speaking to the prevalence of this, but I am confident it will continue to escalate if left unaddressed
:yeah: Its what I was referring to is that while the intent is nice, it will get abused worse and worse every year
Post by: pickardjw on December 12, 2023, 10:14:18 AM
1. Limit in-person proxy buying to family members and one outside of family. (biggest problem with this is with the guides, they'll never let this pass. So may need a carve out for them too)
2. Login required prior to 10am MST to eliminate multiple devices.
3. Allow party applications up to 4 people online, group must be logged in and assembled in the waiting room prior to 10am MST.
Post by: deerlick on December 12, 2023, 10:22:34 AM
Post by: pickardjw on December 12, 2023, 10:49:04 AM
i know several people who drove to Idaho and did not get the tags they were after. not even super hard to get tags. so it didnt work out for everyone that drove over
One guy said he was 4th in line or so and the license vendor walked up to the register at 10am with a sheet of paper and started entering info. Spent several minutes before helping the first guy in line. By the time he got up there his first unit was gone. That would grind my gears pretty good.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 12, 2023, 10:54:40 AM
i know several people who drove to Idaho and did not get the tags they were after. not even super hard to get tags. so it didnt work out for everyone that drove over
One guy said he was 4th in line or so and the license vendor walked up to the register at 10am with a sheet of paper and started entering info. Spent several minutes before helping the first guy in line. By the time he got up there his first unit was gone. That would grind my gears pretty good.
Maybe I should be a seasonal worker at a sporting goods store in Idaho. Market myself as a hunt planner and charge for my services :chuckle:
Post by: pickardjw on December 12, 2023, 11:07:55 AM
Post by: millerwheeler on December 12, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 12, 2023, 11:57:09 AM
Thatll make my odds online better. :chuckle:
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 12, 2023, 12:32:55 PM
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Post by: Chesapeake on December 12, 2023, 03:49:41 PM
I think its still crazy all the fluff around this now…its an OTC tag. Before Idaho went to this system, tags were easier to get. I think a lot people panic buy. I dont mind the process, just think its silly how crazy it has got.
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I don’t think the change is related to the style of selling. Several states reduced tag numbers, reduced non-resident allocations, increased tag prices, Washington continued its downward spiral, and there are several tag data apps that became popular and mainstream over the same window of time.
Every western state is experiencing higher demand through the same time period.
I don’t believe the increased demand on Idaho non-resident tags is due to the method of sale.
Having the sale early in the tag draw season probably helps a lot due to folks not yet having other opportunities lined up. The opening sales date of December isn’t a new thing though.
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 12, 2023, 05:05:08 PM
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Post by: CarbonHunter on December 12, 2023, 05:25:34 PM
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 12, 2023, 05:42:29 PM
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.True that
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on December 12, 2023, 06:32:42 PM
The in-person buying just isn't sustainable. More people learn about it every year, and people are already camping outside license dealers. I've started to lean against using the word, "fair" for making changes to the system because the people that go in person are putting forth more effort, sacrificing a day at work, etc. The people paying license vendors to buy for them before serving in-person customers has to stop. But I think the following would provide more consistent opportunity and transparency.In regards to the parenthetical in point 1, the outfitters are already allotted tags for their unit/zone, the ones who are going out and buying for clients on Dec 1 are just cheating the system and increasing the number of tags within their control
1. Limit in-person proxy buying to family members and one outside of family. (biggest problem with this is with the guides, they'll never let this pass. So may need a carve out for them too)
2. Login required prior to 10am MST to eliminate multiple devices.
3. Allow party applications up to 4 people online, group must be logged in and assembled in the waiting room prior to 10am MST.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 12, 2023, 07:01:52 PM
I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didn’t have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.
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Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?
Post by: kentrek on December 12, 2023, 07:40:51 PM
I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didn’t have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.
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Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?
Demand for a few tags, the new system creates an artificial demand on a big portion of idahos tags... having deer hunters and elk hunters in the same pool creats alot of it...when they move to a draw I believe you will see different numbers floating around
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 12, 2023, 07:43:55 PM
I'm just moving to Idaho :chuckle:
Post by: TeacherMan on December 12, 2023, 08:44:18 PM
Well I figured out how to solve the problem..
I'm just moving to Idaho :chuckle:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Post by: pickardjw on December 12, 2023, 09:14:54 PM
The in-person buying just isn't sustainable. More people learn about it every year, and people are already camping outside license dealers. I've started to lean against using the word, "fair" for making changes to the system because the people that go in person are putting forth more effort, sacrificing a day at work, etc. The people paying license vendors to buy for them before serving in-person customers has to stop. But I think the following would provide more consistent opportunity and transparency.In regards to the parenthetical in point 1, the outfitters are already allotted tags for their unit/zone, the ones who are going out and buying for clients on Dec 1 are just cheating the system and increasing the number of tags within their control
1. Limit in-person proxy buying to family members and one outside of family. (biggest problem with this is with the guides, they'll never let this pass. So may need a carve out for them too)
2. Login required prior to 10am MST to eliminate multiple devices.
3. Allow party applications up to 4 people online, group must be logged in and assembled in the waiting room prior to 10am MST.
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My understanding is they don't think the allocated tags are enough and they have enough political power to stymie anything that might prevent them from getting more tags.
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 12, 2023, 09:17:39 PM
Yep, its an artificial demand brought on by a one day waiting room buying process. People are afraid they will miss out. Before this happened, tags were a lot easier to come by. I agree that there is more demand, but this has definitely sped up the process of non tesident tags selling out more quickly.I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didn’t have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.
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Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?
Demand for a few tags, the new system creates an artificial demand on a big portion of idahos tags... having deer hunters and elk hunters in the same pool creats alot of it...when they move to a draw I believe you will see different numbers floating around
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Post by: dvolmer on December 12, 2023, 09:22:28 PM
Post by: huntnnw on December 12, 2023, 10:02:32 PM
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.
so nobody should be complaining on here to bring up the discussion?? dont get the point of your post. Many of us commenting have emailed IDFG complaining of the system
Post by: huntnnw on December 12, 2023, 10:04:32 PM
Yep, its an artificial demand brought on by a one day waiting room buying process. People are afraid they will miss out. Before this happened, tags were a lot easier to come by. I agree that there is more demand, but this has definitely sped up the process of non tesident tags selling out more quickly.I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didn’t have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.
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none of this existed until they capped and made you pick a unit to hunt. Thats when the frenzy started
Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?
Demand for a few tags, the new system creates an artificial demand on a big portion of idahos tags... having deer hunters and elk hunters in the same pool creats alot of it...when they move to a draw I believe you will see different numbers floating around
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Post by: addicted1 on December 12, 2023, 10:33:44 PM
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.
True, but people always complain. I once heard an Admiral say “no one likes change, except a baby”. As out of state hunters we should be kissing Idaho’s butt. We are in a battle for our hunting privileges in Washington, and you’re gonna complain about hunting out of state? People should more concerned about the home front. Adapt to the system, it’s still way batter than Washington draw odds for a resident. Yes, the it can be difficult to get a tag. Yes, you may have to learn how to hunt solo. Yes, you might get to learn how to hunt to new areas. But, you’re still hunting!
Post by: Taco280AI on December 13, 2023, 06:09:34 AM
As out of state hunters we should be kissing Idaho’s butt. We are in a battle for our hunting privileges in Washington, and you’re gonna complain about hunting out of state? People should more concerned about the home front. Adapt to the system, it’s still way batter than Washington draw odds for a resident. Yes, the it can be difficult to get a tag. Yes, you may have to learn how to hunt solo. Yes, you might get to learn how to hunt to new areas. But, you’re still hunting!
:tup:
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on December 13, 2023, 06:15:34 AM
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.
True, but people always complain. I once heard an Admiral say “no one likes change, except a baby”. As out of state hunters we should be kissing Idaho’s butt. We are in a battle for our hunting privileges in Washington, and you’re gonna complain about hunting out of state? People should more concerned about the home front. Adapt to the system, it’s still way batter than Washington draw odds for a resident. Yes, the it can be difficult to get a tag. Yes, you may have to learn how to hunt solo. Yes, you might get to learn how to hunt to new areas. But, you’re still hunting!
Amen!
Post by: deerlick on December 13, 2023, 08:05:32 AM
Post by: Machias on December 13, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
Well I figured out how to solve the problem..
I'm just moving to Idaho :chuckle:
Oh man, I'm sorry, but we are all full now. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 13, 2023, 10:15:41 AM
Well I figured out how to solve the problem..
I'm just moving to Idaho :chuckle:
Oh man, I'm sorry, but we are all full now. :tup: :chuckle:
Already own the property and spend a bunch of time there..so technically I already count.. :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on December 13, 2023, 10:21:35 AM
I think if you were all smart, you would write Idaho and thank them for not going to a draw, and then suggest a few modifications to make it more fair. You catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar!
Post by: Machias on December 13, 2023, 11:20:45 AM
Well I figured out how to solve the problem..
I'm just moving to Idaho :chuckle:
Oh man, I'm sorry, but we are all full now. :tup: :chuckle:
Already own the property and spend a bunch of time there..so technically I already count.. :chuckle:
:) Just messing with you!!! Where's your property...you can send the grid coordinates in a PM if you prefer! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: dvolmer on December 13, 2023, 01:01:27 PM
In 3 to 5 years I expect a draw for non-residents, and complaining about the current system now will only push it there! So many people complain, I think Idaho should be commended for trying to keep away from more draws. When it goes to a draw all the tag services will be advising their customers to apply, I guarantee you it will only get tougher to get a tag. I'm not bad mouthing tag services, just stating what I believe will happen. :twocents:I agree with all of this and I will add a point system will be added also. Idaho is missing out on a lot of revenue currently compared to other western states.
I think if you were all smart, you would write Idaho and thank them for not going to a draw, and then suggest a few modifications to make it more fair. You catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar!
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 13, 2023, 06:49:15 PM
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.
so nobody should be complaining on here to bring up the discussion?? dont get the point of your post. Many of us commenting have emailed IDFG complaining of the system
Can you share with us the responses to your emails from idfg?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 13, 2023, 06:56:10 PM
Can you share with us the responses to your emails from idfg?
They promise to work even harder to let people know to expect long lines, delays, system and computer issues……… heh same ol same ol….
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 13, 2023, 06:56:38 PM
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.
True, but people always complain. I once heard an Admiral say “no one likes change, except a baby”. As out of state hunters we should be kissing Idaho’s butt. We are in a battle for our hunting privileges in Washington, and you’re gonna complain about hunting out of state? People should more concerned about the home front. Adapt to the system, it’s still way batter than Washington draw odds for a resident. Yes, the it can be difficult to get a tag. Yes, you may have to learn how to hunt solo. Yes, you might get to learn how to hunt to new areas. But, you’re still hunting!
I agree that the deterioration of Washington hunting rights and opportunities is far worse than getting a tag for Idaho. Unfortunately as Washington destroys hunting opportunities it will only get worse in other states to get nonresident tags.
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 13, 2023, 07:02:00 PM
Can you share with us the responses to your emails from idfg?
They promise to work even harder to let people know to expect long lines, delays, system and computer issues……… heh same ol same ol….
Lol, so not only did they let you know they don’t care but they are telling you they will brag even louder what they are doing. Pretty soon they are going to line up at the boarder with tags hanging from sticks on strings that they pull away as you reach for it.
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on December 13, 2023, 07:33:32 PM
Still better than WA. 😒Can you share with us the responses to your emails from idfg?
They promise to work even harder to let people know to expect long lines, delays, system and computer issues……… heh same ol same ol….
Lol, so not only did they let you know they don’t care but they are telling you they will brag even louder what they are doing. Pretty soon they are going to line up at the boarder with tags hanging from sticks on strings that they pull away as you reach for it.
RE
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 13, 2023, 08:06:43 PM
Pretty soon they are going to line up at the boarder with tags hanging from sticks on strings that they pull away as you reach for it.Happened last year - Son drew #1800
Out of 60,000 and sure as heck he still couldn’t get a tag - baaaah
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 08, 2024, 06:07:49 PM
My group has not. :o :yike:
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 08, 2024, 06:15:25 PM
Anyone got their tags/ license yet.
My group has not. :o :yike:
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 08, 2024, 06:45:55 PM
Guess I better check my email :chuckle:
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 12, 2024, 08:06:17 PM
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