Post by: MADMAX on December 05, 2023, 04:46:09 PM
Effective January 1, 2024, HB 1143 imposes additional requirements for the sale and transfer of firearms, including the following provisions:
Background checks are required for all firearm sales and transfers, with some limited exceptions including sales or transfers to law enforcement agencies and officers acting within the course and scope of their employment or official duties (RCW 9.41.113). Background checks are to be performed through the Washington State Patrol Firearms Background Check Program, a centralized stated system, rather than through local law enforcement agencies.
A 10-day waiting period is required between the purchase and delivery of the firearm to the purchaser.
The purchaser must provide proof of having completed a recognized firearm safety training program within the last five years.“
PSA Grays Harbor county gun stores are now following this new upcoming requirement, as part of a pilot program, as I was told by the employees, I drove 2 hrs to "East county guns" in Elma to do an FFL private party-firearms transfer
then I find out after the paperwork is done I cant take my new bolt action rifle home until they call me
2A infringed IMO
Holy BS batman
Post by: callturner on December 05, 2023, 05:41:53 PM
Post by: jrebel on December 05, 2023, 05:59:48 PM
The class thing is going to be interesting. No one knows what that means, who puts the class on, who checks or regulates the class ect. This could be a nightmare. :bash: :bash:
Post by: cohocrazy on December 05, 2023, 06:11:46 PM
Post by: MADMAX on December 05, 2023, 06:24:52 PM
Also does anyone know if I-1639 training certificates meet the this new training requirement?
Post by: Bob33 on December 05, 2023, 06:46:13 PM
The 10 day wait is not absolute. WSP has 10 days to do a background check, but it could be done in an hour.....just depends on how busy / backed up they are. Hooked on toys is doing the WSP background check and I had my bolt action rifle the same day. I think it took 4 hours, give or take. (this is at least how it has been explained to me)I think the ten day period is absolute starting January 1.
The class thing is going to be interesting. No one knows what that means, who puts the class on, who checks or regulates the class ect. This could be a nightmare. :bash: :bash:
Post by: hughjorgan on December 05, 2023, 10:24:22 PM
I guess I dont get why its being done as a “requirement” before the effective date of the requirement
Also does anyone know if I-1639 training certificates meet the this new training requirement?
The sporting systems certificate says it satisfies the requirements for HB1143 and i1639.
Post by: hunter399 on December 06, 2023, 12:14:58 AM
I heard some retailers volunteered or where chosen as a trial run before the Jan 1 date.I guess I dont get why its being done as a “requirement” before the effective date of the requirement
Also does anyone know if I-1639 training certificates meet the this new training requirement?
The sporting systems certificate says it satisfies the requirements for HB1143 and i1639.
That's just what I heard,not sure what the truth is.
Yes anybody that has been on the fence about buying a firearm.
Might be the time.
I have friends and family that have been buying guns all year long cause of this.
Post by: Lowedog on December 06, 2023, 05:12:51 AM
https://www.wsp.wa.gov/firearms-background-division/
Post by: dreadi on December 06, 2023, 05:16:46 AM
I keep pointing out in my For Sale posts that the requirement to use the new system will soon be in effect and that I’m still using NICS as much as possible.
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Post by: bustedoldman on December 06, 2023, 06:06:08 AM
Yes i believe you are correct 10 days no matter what.The 10 day wait is not absolute. WSP has 10 days to do a background check, but it could be done in an hour.....just depends on how busy / backed up they are. Hooked on toys is doing the WSP background check and I had my bolt action rifle the same day. I think it took 4 hours, give or take. (this is at least how it has been explained to me)I think the ten day period is absolute starting January 1.
The class thing is going to be interesting. No one knows what that means, who puts the class on, who checks or regulates the class ect. This could be a nightmare. :bash: :bash:
Post by: Lowedog on December 06, 2023, 07:12:53 AM
(2) A dealer shall charge a purchaser or transferee a background check fee in an amount determined by the Washington state patrol and remit the proceeds from the fee to the Washington state patrol on a monthly basis.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 06, 2023, 07:14:42 AM
They say it's been pretty smooth and most returns are the same day.
It's smooth and quick for the handful of gun shops that are already doing it because the system isn't clogged up yet. Wait til Jan 1 when every BiMart, Walmart, Sportsmans Warehouse, Pawn Shop and sporting goods retailer is forced into the system....
Post by: bustedoldman on December 06, 2023, 07:26:49 AM
Post by: MADMAX on December 06, 2023, 07:41:05 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on December 06, 2023, 08:02:25 AM
I hope this link works for free training, if not look up Sporting systems compliance training. I just saved the certificate on my phone.
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on December 06, 2023, 08:37:20 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 06, 2023, 08:42:07 AM
Post by: wadu1 on December 06, 2023, 09:02:16 AM
Should being an NRA certified range safety officer cover the training?My NRA certified instructor did not count according to a FFL at our club.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 06, 2023, 09:09:38 AM
Should being an NRA certified range safety officer cover the training?My NRA certified instructor did not count according to a FFL at our club.
Just do the sporting systems one that is linked above, it is basic; satisfied their stupid requirements and you can save it to your phone. It only takes as long as your finger takes to hit next at the bottom of the page.
Post by: GASoline71 on December 06, 2023, 09:21:55 AM
Should being an NRA certified range safety officer cover the training?My NRA certified instructor did not count according to a FFL at our club.
Just do the sporting systems one that is linked above, it is basic; satisfied their stupid requirements and you can save it to your phone. It only takes as long as your finger takes to hit next at the bottom of the page.
Yup, Sporting Systems purposely made the "training" ridiculously simple.
Gary
Post by: timberfaller on December 06, 2023, 10:12:25 AM
Haven't since the GCA of 68!!
To bad many haven't put 2 and 2 together yet!! :dunno:
Post by: Smokeploe on December 06, 2023, 06:08:24 PM
Smokeploe
Post by: hughjorgan on December 06, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
A couple of months ago I seem to remember something about a state back east that had this same law go into effect. There was a suit brought against it and the judge ruled is unconstitutional! I tried to find it, but no luck, maybe someone could do better. The 10 day was not ruled out just the getting the permit. Also they had it setup so you had to take the class each time you purchased a firearm.
Smokeploe
California had a law that was struck down by a federal judge that required an individual who wanted a CPL to take a safety training class similar to what Washington is requiring for a purchase of a firearm.
Post by: shotguunar on December 06, 2023, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: jrebel on December 06, 2023, 08:54:10 PM
getting their hands on firearms . (Insert sarcasm emoji here).
Death by a thousand cuts. The long game has proven very effective for the radical left. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: MADMAX on December 07, 2023, 07:35:08 PM
4 days tomorrow
This BS suvks
Post by: silverdalesauer on December 07, 2023, 09:06:30 PM
https://sporting-systems.com/free-hb1143-training/
I hope this link works for free training, if not look up Sporting systems compliance training. I just saved the certificate on my phone.
I took their "class." I'm all certified. :)
Post by: ghosthunter on December 07, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
I think it is just a power move on their part so the new deal is the WSP is going to do the background check who do you think there going to call NICS and as far as who is going to pay for it they made the law make the taxpayers pay for it that's how they fund all their other schemes. shouldn't be charged for a constitutional right .
I think they want to build a list of who and where the guns are. Easier to do if you handle all in house. Who’s going to whistle blow?
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 12, 2023, 09:39:30 AM
Beating the same ole drum! Elections have consequences!! NEVER support or vote for a D for any office!!
Haven't since the GCA of 68!!
To bad many haven't put 2 and 2 together yet!! :dunno:
Learned my lesson when I was 19 and voted for Tom Foley in my first election. I was young and clueless and thought I was voting for a person, not a party :bash:. :bdid:Never did that again.
Post by: timberfaller on December 12, 2023, 10:14:31 AM
Problem is, Jay slithered over to the west side and got put back in! :bash: :bash: The rest is history!
Post by: hunter399 on December 12, 2023, 10:35:43 AM
Good old days of getting your background check back in five minutes after the paperwork are gone.
Post by: MADMAX on December 12, 2023, 11:37:29 AM
The shop I used in Elma is still waiting for mine
Been a week
Not impressed actually frickin irritated
Will be the last time I travel to do a gun deal
Post by: hughjorgan on December 12, 2023, 11:48:30 AM
That’s no chit
The shop I used in Elma is still waiting for mine
Been a week
Not impressed actually frickin irritated
Will be the last time I travel to do a gun deal
All the state patrol is doing is a NICS and then charging you for it. Pretty stupid.
Oh and the democrats aren’t done yet, in the new legislative session they have already proposed making people take a class on firearms where you have to show your proficiency in live fire… Being proposed by Liz Berry a former aid to Gabby Giffords
HB 1902 will implement a permit to purchase system in Washington, which will require Washingtonians to receive government permission to exercise a constitutionally protected right. The system will require mandatory live fire training prior to purchasing a firearm and the creation of a government registry of personally identifiable information, including fingerprinting and a waiver of medically protected information.
HB 1903 will penalize law-abiding gun owners who are the victims of a crime by placing a civil liability and a $1,000 fine on gun owners who are the victim of theft and requires mandatory reporting of the theft or loss of a firearm within 24 hours to law enforcement
Post by: timberfaller on December 12, 2023, 11:58:30 AM
Musta voted for a D!
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 12, 2023, 12:08:18 PM
:yeah: :tup: Remember ole Tom running back to Spokane and got a camera crew to follow him to a shooting range, didn't help him on bit, WE kicked him and ole Jay out of office that election!!I talked to a lady that was working his reelection campaign the year he lost. She kept getting earfuls whenever she was doing polling. When he came to visit them, she asked him about the Brady Bill. He just shook his head and said "If I'd known everything that was in that bill, I never would have voted for it."
Problem is, Jay slithered over to the west side and got put back in! :bash: :bash: The rest is history!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :o VOTED FOR IT? YOU INTRODUCED IT! AND YOU WERE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE! :yike: :yike:
WTF!!!???? :bash:
... and that kids, is why you can't "vote for the person". That person represents a party, and that's how they're going to vote nearly all the time. And the more powerful they get, the less control they have over how they vote...
Post by: dreadi on December 12, 2023, 01:21:54 PM
Post by: timberfaller on December 12, 2023, 01:23:54 PM
Jay doesn't know what "Representative" government means! Neither do the rest of them and its been that way for over a generation!
The next election Jay was at the Okanogan County Fair, I see him inside the booth, started to go over to give him a piece of my mind, my wife grabbed my arm and said, "NO you don't"!
Like I said, WE kicked him out of office BUT the idiots on the west side let him back in!
Post by: MADMAX on December 12, 2023, 01:52:15 PM
Most people I know aren’t impressed by him either
Post by: MADMAX on December 13, 2023, 03:48:37 PM
Good new system :bash: :chuckle:
Post by: jrebel on December 13, 2023, 04:31:29 PM
Still sucks, just trying to find a silver lining.
This is going to hurt private party sales….im not driving across the state, just to return 10 days later when the check is complete.
Death by a thousand cuts.
Post by: Fidelk on December 13, 2023, 05:41:26 PM
I was calling ole Jay's office during the days of votes, ask her what the call ratio was, she said "3 to 1 asking to vote NO on the Brady bill....."!
Jay doesn't know what "Representative" government means! Neither do the rest of them and its been that way for over a generation!
The next election Jay was at the Okanogan County Fair, I see him inside the booth, started to go over to give him a piece of my mind, my wife grabbed my arm and said, "NO you don't"!
Like I said, WE kicked him out of office BUT the idiots on the west side let him back in!
If you are free to call me an "idiot" because I own property, live and pay taxes on the "west side"......are there any limitations on what I can call you and remain a member here? Please announce who you intend to vote for in every election going forward and I will vote for whoever is running against your choice.
Post by: MADMAX on December 13, 2023, 05:43:14 PM
So the 10 days is not absolute!! It is rather the max numbers of days they have to get it done before you can pick it up regardless. Still sucks, but in theory it could happen same day if there isn’t a back log or influx. Here’s to hoping they get a good system going and they are quicker than not.
Still sucks, just trying to find a silver lining.
This is going to hurt private party sales….im not driving across the state, just to return 10 days later when the check is complete.
Death by a thousand cuts.
I actually called the state patrol and asked what the holdup was and would it speed things up if I gave my concealed carry and retired military ID
Was told they’re doing the best they can as they are short handed
I said well I guess if nothing else I only had to wait 3 more days
Oh no she said
I said do you think I will get before Christmas
Lady told me no it could be up to 30 days and my FFL would let me know when I could pick it up
I guess the squeaky wheel worked
No more traveling for me on gun deals
Post by: Fidelk on December 13, 2023, 05:47:55 PM
So the 10 days is not absolute!! It is rather the max numbers of days they have to get it done before you can pick it up regardless. Still sucks, but in theory it could happen same day if there isn’t a back log or influx. Here’s to hoping they get a good system going and they are quicker than not.
Still sucks, just trying to find a silver lining.
This is going to hurt private party sales….im not driving across the state, just to return 10 days later when the check is complete.
Death by a thousand cuts.
I actually called the state patrol and asked what the holdup was and would it speed things up if I gave my concealed carry and retired military ID
Was told they’re doing the best they can as they are short handed
I said well I guess if nothing else I only had to wait 3 more days
Oh no she said
I said do you think I will get before Christmas
Lady told me no it could be up to 30 days and my FFL would let me know when I could pick it up
I guess the squeaky wheel worked
No more traveling for me on gun deals
According to timberfaller, you are a "west side idiot".......timberfaller and the eastsiders need extra time to determine your level of idiocy and whether you should own a firearm.
Post by: MADMAX on December 13, 2023, 06:03:17 PM
So the 10 days is not absolute!! It is rather the max numbers of days they have to get it done before you can pick it up regardless. Still sucks, but in theory it could happen same day if there isn’t a back log or influx. Here’s to hoping they get a good system going and they are quicker than not.
Still sucks, just trying to find a silver lining.
This is going to hurt private party sales….im not driving across the state, just to return 10 days later when the check is complete.
Death by a thousand cuts.
I actually called the state patrol and asked what the holdup was and would it speed things up if I gave my concealed carry and retired military ID
Was told they’re doing the best they can as they are short handed
I said well I guess if nothing else I only had to wait 3 more days
Oh no she said
I said do you think I will get before Christmas
Lady told me no it could be up to 30 days and my FFL would let me know when I could pick it up
I guess the squeaky wheel worked
No more traveling for me on gun deals
According to timberfaller, you are a "west side idiot".......timberfaller and the eastsiders need extra time to determine your level of idiocy and whether you should own a firearm.
I am an idiot to still be living in this state IMO period
Working my way east, hopefully MT
Post by: timberfaller on December 13, 2023, 06:18:58 PM
If the shoe fits, wear it!
Those who vote for D's and own firearms KNOW the shoe fits. If they don't, they are dumber then a box of rocks.
Yes, some things are just that simple! :hello:
Post by: Skillet on December 13, 2023, 06:39:09 PM
"According to timberfaller, you are a "west side idiot".......timberfaller and the eastsiders need extra time to determine your level of idiocy and whether you should own a firearm."What is it with the personal attacks today (admittedly, the first day I've been paying attention for a while)?
If the shoe fits, wear it!
Those who vote for D's and own firearms KNOW the shoe fits. If they don't, they are dumber then a box of rocks.
Yes, some things are just that simple! :hello:
Just because somebody voted a certain way for a certain reason doesn't make them an idiot. It just means you have different priorities than they do, or see things differently.
I GUARANTEE that anybody here doesn't have exactly the same take on every single issue that I do, but I don't think that makes any of all of you wrong, evil, or part of a larger conspiracy to ruin my life. I really enjoy this group of folks for who they are and how they conduct themselves, no matter the color of their political stripe.
Let's keep it in on perspective, folks. I believe Dale made it clear that yhis is a hunting forum, for the enjoyment of people who are passionate about hunting, no matter where they fall on the other issues.
Post by: MADMAX on December 13, 2023, 07:30:16 PM
"According to timberfaller, you are a "west side idiot".......timberfaller and the eastsiders need extra time to determine your level of idiocy and whether you should own a firearm."What is it with the personal attacks today (admittedly, the first day I've been paying attention for a while)?
If the shoe fits, wear it!
Those who vote for D's and own firearms KNOW the shoe fits. If they don't, they are dumber then a box of rocks.
Yes, some things are just that simple! :hello:
Just because somebody voted a certain way for a certain reason doesn't make them an idiot. It just means you have different priorities than they do, or see things differently.
I GUARANTEE that anybody here doesn't have exactly the same take on every single issue that I do, but I don't think that makes any of all of you wrong, evil, or part of a larger conspiracy to ruin my life. I really enjoy this group of folks for who they are and how they conduct themselves, no matter the color of their political stripe.
Let's keep it in on perspective, folks. I believe Dale made it clear that yhis is a hunting forum, for the enjoyment of people who are passionate about hunting, no matter where they fall on the other issues.
I just wanted to make people aware that some gunshops are instituting the 10 day early
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Post by: Bob33 on December 22, 2023, 08:31:49 AM
Effective January 1, 2024, HB 1143 imposes additional requirements for the sale and transfer of firearms, including the following provisions:
- Background checks are required for all firearm sales and transfers, with some limited exceptions including sales or transfers to law enforcement agencies and officers acting within the course and scope of their employment or official duties (RCW 9.41.113). Background checks are to be performed through the Washington State Patrol Firearms Background Check Program, a centralized stated system, rather than through local law enforcement agencies.
- A 10-day waiting period is required between the purchase and delivery of the firearm to the purchaser.
- The purchaser must provide proof of having completed a recognized firearm safety training program within the last five years.
Post by: KNOPHISH on December 22, 2023, 08:42:50 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2023, 09:49:30 AM
"According to timberfaller, you are a "west side idiot".......timberfaller and the eastsiders need extra time to determine your level of idiocy and whether you should own a firearm."What is it with the personal attacks today (admittedly, the first day I've been paying attention for a while)?
If the shoe fits, wear it!
Those who vote for D's and own firearms KNOW the shoe fits. If they don't, they are dumber then a box of rocks.
Yes, some things are just that simple! :hello:
Just because somebody voted a certain way for a certain reason doesn't make them an idiot. It just means you have different priorities than they do, or see things differently.
I GUARANTEE that anybody here doesn't have exactly the same take on every single issue that I do, but I don't think that makes any of all of you wrong, evil, or part of a larger conspiracy to ruin my life. I really enjoy this group of folks for who they are and how they conduct themselves, no matter the color of their political stripe.
Let's keep it in on perspective, folks. I believe Dale made it clear that yhis is a hunting forum, for the enjoyment of people who are passionate about hunting, no matter where they fall on the other issues.
I just wanted to make people aware that some gunshops are instituting the 10 day early
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[/qupuppy. I appreciated the PSA sir. I'd forgotten this was coming so I scooped another volume shooter at the buzzer. Sadly it'll likely be my last firearms purchase in WA.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 22, 2023, 10:38:08 AM
"According to timberfaller, you are a "west side idiot".......timberfaller and the eastsiders need extra time to determine your level of idiocy and whether you should own a firearm."What is it with the personal attacks today (admittedly, the first day I've been paying attention for a while)?
If the shoe fits, wear it!
Those who vote for D's and own firearms KNOW the shoe fits. If they don't, they are dumber then a box of rocks.
Yes, some things are just that simple! :hello:
Just because somebody voted a certain way for a certain reason doesn't make them an idiot. It just means you have different priorities than they do, or see things differently.
I GUARANTEE that anybody here doesn't have exactly the same take on every single issue that I do, but I don't think that makes any of all of you wrong, evil, or part of a larger conspiracy to ruin my life. I really enjoy this group of folks for who they are and how they conduct themselves, no matter the color of their political stripe.
Let's keep it in on perspective, folks. I believe Dale made it clear that yhis is a hunting forum, for the enjoyment of people who are passionate about hunting, no matter where they fall on the other issues.
SE AK is still west of Eastern WA so clearly you’re just another urban west sider :hello:
Post by: Torrent50 on December 24, 2023, 11:08:37 AM
Post by: jrebel on December 24, 2023, 11:12:48 AM
Just to add to this regarding the 10 day wait. I was told that it is a minimum of 10 business days and does not include weekends, holidays, or the day you fill out the paperwork. Also, there is a 30 day window (one shop told me 30, another said 28) for the background to be completed and for you to pick up the gun or the whole process starts over.
I was recently told the same thing!! I stand corrected on my previous post of the 10 days being absolute. Really hope the WSP has the resources to keep this running. Also hope this is challenged in court sooner than later. :bash: :bash:
Post by: Sundance on December 24, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
Post by: MADMAX on December 24, 2023, 02:38:41 PM
Just to add to this regarding the 10 day wait. I was told that it is a minimum of 10 business days and does not include weekends, holidays, or the day you fill out the paperwork. Also, there is a 30 day window (one shop told me 30, another said 28) for the background to be completed and for you to pick up the gun or the whole process starts over.
I was recently told the same thing!! I stand corrected on my previous post of the 10 days being absolute. Really hope the WSP has the resources to keep this running. Also hope this is challenged in court sooner than later. :bash: :bash:
That’s about what the east county guns told me as well
It’ pretty much eliminates anybody wanting to be driving two hours away to do a gun deal
Im feeling infringed
Post by: Rat44 on December 24, 2023, 03:24:02 PM
Guns and ammo are about the same price there.
Post by: nwwanderer on December 24, 2023, 04:34:39 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2023, 06:00:28 PM
Here ya go! All yours.
Those days are gone.
Post by: MADMAX on December 24, 2023, 06:51:52 PM
Hey meet me at the Safeway parking lot
Heres your money
I’ll take it
Thanks
Cya
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2023, 09:24:26 PM
I really preferYa I remember those days too.
Hey meet me at the Safeway parking lot
Heres your money
I’ll take it
Thanks
Cya
Post by: snit on December 25, 2023, 08:45:24 AM
Last month I drove to Corvalis-Or and bought a rifle through an FFL. They're already sending applications through OSP. At 10:45am I was #244 in the queue. I was approved @ 4:15pm, same day, but I was taking a chance it could run over to the next day. I could have had the gun shipped to WA, but I didn't want to pay any tax to King Insleaze (out of principal).
I too miss looking in the Little Nickel on Thursday mornings, seeing and ad and calling, and then meeting at "X-marks the spot"...
Post by: callturner on December 25, 2023, 08:45:43 AM
WA has the lowest law enforcement to population ratio in the USA, WSP has all the time in the world, no problem. A cluster whether in the courts or on the street.supposedly the new system has an $18 fee that goes along with the rest of the garbage. And that is what it's supposed to fund the WSP. Just another middleman doing the same thing that we had already done with an extra fee tacked on.
Post by: C-Money on December 26, 2023, 11:05:10 AM
Post by: callturner on December 26, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 26, 2023, 04:35:37 PM
https://sporting-systems.com/free-hb1143-training/
Post by: Cougartail on December 29, 2023, 06:15:51 AM
According to the FFL but I use we can still purchase rifles and shotguns out of state just using the 4473 form that we normally have to fill out. Handguns on the other hand still have to be shipped into Washington and we will have to go through all of the garbage. We can also not purchase the firearms they'll Washington deems illegal. Aren't you happy that somebody has made this decision for you?
Yeah, so happy that people with emotional problems get to push them on us. I'm not going to call them idiots though. They know exactly what they are doing voting for clowns like Biden and Inslee. They are anti-gun, anti-hunting and anti-freedom zealots. It's really telling the true value they place on hunting and outdoor pursuits. Keyboard pretenders..
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2023, 09:19:44 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 29, 2023, 10:14:46 AM
It took a bunch of extra work to sort out the issues and get guys approved. Guys that have had zero issues in the past...Just a heads up.
Post by: KNOPHISH on December 17, 2024, 01:03:19 PM
Post by: 85yota on December 17, 2024, 01:12:17 PM