Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 20, 2023, 08:50:17 PM
But have any of those activatly opposing the Commission ever considered a different approach than what has already been tried?
Specifically, I am thinking of working on getting the regulatory power removed from the Commission and put back directly under WDFW?
Leave the Commission in place as advisors olny, or disband completely, but either way, take away their power to set rules & regulations in any and all form.
If they (the Commission) are not able to actually make, change, or in anyway control the rules, seasons, harvest, etc., and it fell back under WDFW proper where biologists and such would be the ones that have the final say, then the Commission would have no way to forward any type of personal or political adgenda as it seems they are currently doing unchecked.
My guess is it would be an uphill battle and not an easy task, maybe even requiring more legal action/suits filed, but that may be the better path than what is/has been done so far...
Post by: addicted1 on December 20, 2023, 09:02:24 PM
Post by: Special T on December 20, 2023, 09:09:36 PM
I'm not sure the options we could come up with could be made to happen politically. I also think this dysfunctional commission is on purpose to either abolish referendum 45 and have it under the govenors control, or to just destroy the department like California.
Post by: WSU on December 20, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 20, 2023, 10:23:54 PM
The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Post by: Slamadoo on December 20, 2023, 10:41:35 PM
Lawsuits and litigation.
Post by: WSU on December 20, 2023, 11:08:29 PM
The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
That would be great. But my point still stands. We will have a very liberal governor most of the time.
Post by: Slamadoo on December 20, 2023, 11:11:35 PM
Question: Why have we not filed suite against the commission yet for their spring bear decision? They clearly knew they had enough bears to keep the hunt. They violated their own mandates to maximize recreational opportunities. There are definitely individuals out there with standing in this matter. Individuals who have purchased points and invested time and have now lost out on that opportunity due to the unwarranted actions of the commission.
Even more than time and money, individuals have lost out on experiences of cultural value to them due to the actions of the commission. Can you ever replace a hunt or trip with a loved one that you were denied for frivolous reasons? Arbitrary and illegal government action?
We need to stop begging them to do the right thing when we know they won't. We need to start using the same tools that they use against us and start demanding that they respect our rights and culture.
Post by: Special T on December 22, 2023, 02:41:33 PM
Question: How many commissioners voted for the spring bear petition last week?
Question: Why have we not filed suite against the commission yet for their spring bear decision? They clearly knew they had enough bears to keep the hunt. They violated their own mandates to maximize recreational opportunities. There are definitely individuals out there with standing in this matter. Individuals who have purchased points and invested time and have now lost out on that opportunity due to the unwarranted actions of the commission.
Even more than time and money, individuals have lost out on experiences of cultural value to them due to the actions of the commission. Can you ever replace a hunt or trip with a loved one that you were denied for frivolous reasons? Arbitrary and illegal government action?
We need to stop begging them to do the right thing when we know they won't. We need to start using the same tools that they use against us and start demanding that they respect our rights and culture.
Why don't we sue? Well lawsuits are political, it requires the same kind maneuvering that getting politicians to do what they should be doing. It takes a stack of cash wwc spent a bunch and guess what? It got thrown out for no standing by a judge appointed by Inslee. AND all lawsuits against the state have to be filed in Thurston county superior court. Olympia
Post by: Slamadoo on December 22, 2023, 03:37:58 PM
Wasn't the WWC lawsuit you are referring to about commission appointments?
Post by: ducks4days on December 22, 2023, 03:44:00 PM
The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter.
We should be filing petitions to correct the bad decisions of the commission. We should file so many so often that they get discussed at every single meeting until we see meaningful change. When they get voted down, we should tweak them and file again. When they get voted down again, we should sue. When the suit fails we should introduce voter initiatives with simple language that is guaranteed to pass. Then we should do it again and build on the momentum. When the initiatives fail we should be calling our representatives and ask them to introduce legislation which the commission cant dance around. When they placate us we should call again. And we should call again. And again until they are so annoyed that they do it just to get the phone calls to stop when they arent even in session.
The anti's arent winning because there are more of them, the overwhelming majority of people support regulated hunting. They are winning because they have nothing better to do, and they are persistent. We either need to learn this lesson, or get out of the way.
Post by: bearpaw on December 22, 2023, 04:01:22 PM
I wanted to put this in its own thread so it didn't get lost or pollute the other threads, and I hope it can stay non-political so it doesn't get moved or locked.
But have any of those activatly opposing the Commission ever considered a different approach than what has already been tried?
Specifically, I am thinking of working on getting the regulatory power removed from the Commission and put back directly under WDFW?
Leave the Commission in place as advisors olny, or disband completely, but either way, take away their power to set rules & regulations in any and all form.
If they (the Commission) are not able to actually make, change, or in anyway control the rules, seasons, harvest, etc., and it fell back under WDFW proper where biologists and such would be the ones that have the final say, then the Commission would have no way to forward any type of personal or political adgenda as it seems they are currently doing unchecked.
My guess is it would be an uphill battle and not an easy task, maybe even requiring more legal action/suits filed, but that may be the better path than what is/has been done so far...
Mostly I think we need a new governor. The system is not that bad, we are just seeing the effect of having a particular governor who is anti-hunter friendly for too long. The impact of changing the system at a time when hunters have little say in government leads me to think the outcome of any attempted change might be worse?
Post by: bearpaw on December 22, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter.
We should be filing petitions to correct the bad decisions of the commission. We should file so many so often that they get discussed at every single meeting until we see meaningful change. When they get voted down, we should tweak them and file again. When they get voted down again, we should sue. When the suit fails we should introduce voter initiatives with simple language that is guaranteed to pass. Then we should do it again and build on the momentum. When the initiatives fail we should be calling our representatives and ask them to introduce legislation which the commission cant dance around. When they placate us we should call again. And we should call again. And again until they are so annoyed that they do it just to get the phone calls to stop when they arent even in session.
The anti's arent winning because there are more of them, the overwhelming majority of people support regulated hunting. They are winning because they have nothing better to do, and they are persistent. We either need to learn this lesson, or get out of the way.
:yeah: bury them in paper work, it leaves them less time to focus on how to take away more hunting opportunities
Post by: actionshooter on December 22, 2023, 04:35:01 PM
The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter
A new Gov is the quickest way to change the commission, we can win in litigation, and it's coming but it will take a lot of time and money.
I disagree... Reichert was a hugely popular Sheriff in King County and then went on to 14 years in the 8th district... this guy has a real chance...
When you run a no-name eastern Washington small town cop (who I liked) for Gov... you get a 60-40 split.
Post by: ducks4days on December 22, 2023, 04:51:34 PM
The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter
A new Gov is the quickest way to change the commission, we can win in litigation, and it's coming but it will take a lot of time and money.
I disagree... Reichert was a hugely popular Sheriff in King County and then went on to 14 years in the 8th district... this guy has a real chance...
When you run a no-name eastern Washington small town cop (who I liked) for Gov... you get a 60-40 split.
Reichert was appointed Sheriff then won a single election without opposition 20 years and 800,000 Californians ago. The 8th district is not a statewide election. As much as I wish things were different, nobody with an R next to their name will win a statewide election in WA. Especially not in a presidential election year. Especially not in the next presidential election year.
You are right about a new Gov being the quickest way to fix things. That doesnt make it realistic.
Post by: bigtex on December 22, 2023, 04:51:44 PM
:yeah:The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter
A new Gov is the quickest way to change the commission, we can win in litigation, and it's coming but it will take a lot of time and money.
I disagree... Reichert was a hugely popular Sheriff in King County and then went on to 14 years in the 8th district... this guy has a real chance...
When you run a no-name eastern Washington small town cop (who I liked) for Gov... you get a 60-40 split.
Yet there's still peoplr pushing the Semi Bird train..
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Post by: bigtex on December 22, 2023, 04:54:56 PM
Reichert's first few terms as the 8th District Rep was when the 8th was mostly King and Pierce County. It shifted to include Kittitas and Chelan in his final years and is now held by a Dem...The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter
A new Gov is the quickest way to change the commission, we can win in litigation, and it's coming but it will take a lot of time and money.
I disagree... Reichert was a hugely popular Sheriff in King County and then went on to 14 years in the 8th district... this guy has a real chance...
When you run a no-name eastern Washington small town cop (who I liked) for Gov... you get a 60-40 split.
Reichert was appointed Sheriff then won a single election without opposition 20 years and 800,000 Californians ago. The 8th district is not a statewide election. As much as I wish things were different, nobody with an R next to their name will win a statewide election in WA. Especially not in a presidential election year. Especially not in the next presidential election year.
You are right about a new Gov being the quickest way to fix things. That doesnt make it realistic.
He's likely the most well known active Republican in WA. Lot more known than a small town police Chief or a eastern Washington school board member...
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Post by: hughjorgan on December 22, 2023, 09:17:43 PM
Reichert's first few terms as the 8th District Rep was when the 8th was mostly King and Pierce County. It shifted to include Kittitas and Chelan in his final years and is now held by a Dem...The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter
A new Gov is the quickest way to change the commission, we can win in litigation, and it's coming but it will take a lot of time and money.
I disagree... Reichert was a hugely popular Sheriff in King County and then went on to 14 years in the 8th district... this guy has a real chance...
When you run a no-name eastern Washington small town cop (who I liked) for Gov... you get a 60-40 split.
Reichert was appointed Sheriff then won a single election without opposition 20 years and 800,000 Californians ago. The 8th district is not a statewide election. As much as I wish things were different, nobody with an R next to their name will win a statewide election in WA. Especially not in a presidential election year. Especially not in the next presidential election year.
You are right about a new Gov being the quickest way to fix things. That doesnt make it realistic.
He's likely the most well known active Republican in WA. Lot more known than a small town police Chief or a eastern Washington school board member...
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:yeah: Dave is our best chance and he is polling really well WHERE it matters.
Post by: Special T on December 23, 2023, 09:01:38 AM
:yeah:The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter
A new Gov is the quickest way to change the commission, we can win in litigation, and it's coming but it will take a lot of time and money.
I disagree... Reichert was a hugely popular Sheriff in King County and then went on to 14 years in the 8th district... this guy has a real chance...
When you run a no-name eastern Washington small town cop (who I liked) for Gov... you get a 60-40 split.
Yet there's still peoplr pushing the Semi Bird train..
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How much engagement has Reichart been doing in Seattle? How much in communities that republicans normally ignore? I see interviews online all over the internet of Semi. Haven't seen one of Reichart.
Here is an interesting interview of Semi. I have questions and concerns about him but who is talking to is very different than past Replublicans running for Govenor.
Post by: bigtex on December 23, 2023, 10:07:11 AM
Semi has to tour around King County because nobody knows him! Everybody knows who Dave Reichert is. Reichert has out fundraised Semi 4:1 in just a few months, yet Semi has been running for what over a year now?:yeah:The idea has been batted around. Even if you got the law changed, you’d have inslee or Ferguson appointing the director.
Who said Ferguson is going to be our next governor?
https://mynorthwest.com/3939633/polling-reichert-ahead-ferguson-wa-governor-race/
I like the OP idea, but don’t know how you’re going to get it passed. Maybe voter initiative?
Its basically a foregone conclusion. We either get enough republicans to vote for a solid D in the primaries to have a reasonable alternative during the general: or we have another 60/40 split with Sideshow Bob winning without any real opposition. If there was an option to bet on which one happens I would throw down a TON of money on the latter
A new Gov is the quickest way to change the commission, we can win in litigation, and it's coming but it will take a lot of time and money.
I disagree... Reichert was a hugely popular Sheriff in King County and then went on to 14 years in the 8th district... this guy has a real chance...
When you run a no-name eastern Washington small town cop (who I liked) for Gov... you get a 60-40 split.
Yet there's still peoplr pushing the Semi Bird train..
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How much engagement has Reichart been doing in Seattle? How much in communities that republicans normally ignore? I see interviews online all over the internet of Semi. Haven't seen one of Reichart.
Here is an interesting interview of Semi. I have questions and concerns about him but who is talking to is very different than past Replublicans running for Govenor.
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Post by: Tinmaniac on December 23, 2023, 10:22:11 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 23, 2023, 10:29:32 AM
I have a 30 and 28 year old sons neither have ever heard of Reichert. The assumption that everyone knows who he is is naive. I haven't seen one campaign ad of his.
True
Right now I could not name one candidate for governor except Ferguson. And I am the kind of voter they need to reach. If I don’t know them lots of people don’t.
Post by: buckfvr on December 23, 2023, 01:54:03 PM
I say stop the cylce of rerunning retired politicians, theyve had their chance, left their mark so to speak, lets move on and bring in someone who isnt already fully indoctrinated by washington states political regime.
If he works out great, if not, he should be easy to move on from.
I cant get past Reichert just being opportunistic.
Post by: bigtex on December 23, 2023, 02:19:18 PM
Fresh face, ideas, outlook, Semi brings that.I think people also need to consider how little power a republican governor (no matter who it is) will actually have. Chances of the house and senate flipping to republican control is almost 0, so the governor's priorities won't go anywhere unless he has bipartisan support. The most the governor would be able to do would be using his veto power to stop the liberal agenda, and appointments to commissions, boards, and judge positions.
I say stop the cylce of rerunning retired politicians, theyve had their chance, left their mark so to speak, lets move on and bring in someone who isnt already fully indoctrinated by washington states political regime.
If he works out great, if not, he should be easy to move on from.
I cant get past Reichert just being opportunistic.
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Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2023, 02:28:39 PM
Fresh face, ideas, outlook, Semi brings that.I think people also need to consider how little power a republican governor (no matter who it is) will actually have. Chances of the house and senate flipping to republican control is almost 0, so the governor's priorities won't go anywhere unless he has bipartisan support. The most the governor would be able to do would be using his veto power to stop the liberal agenda, and appointments to commissions, boards, and judge positions.
I say stop the cylce of rerunning retired politicians, theyve had their chance, left their mark so to speak, lets move on and bring in someone who isnt already fully indoctrinated by washington states political regime.
If he works out great, if not, he should be easy to move on from.
I cant get past Reichert just being opportunistic.
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I’ll take that :tup: