Post by: time2hunt on December 27, 2023, 04:16:31 PM
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Post by: swanderek on December 27, 2023, 05:08:01 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on December 27, 2023, 05:12:22 PM
Post by: MADMAX on December 27, 2023, 05:13:23 PM
Post by: jstone on December 27, 2023, 05:25:22 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 27, 2023, 05:34:14 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 27, 2023, 05:35:21 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 27, 2023, 05:36:41 PM
Treaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'. I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.Treaty “wrongs” is more like it…
Post by: TD3939 on December 27, 2023, 05:41:50 PM
Post by: chukarchaser on December 27, 2023, 05:44:39 PM
On another note I read where the tribal council is getting first shot so to speak on hunting. Lets see how that plays out
Post by: time2hunt on December 27, 2023, 05:50:55 PM
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Post by: Rainier10 on December 27, 2023, 05:52:07 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 27, 2023, 06:00:45 PM
:yeah:Treaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'. I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.Treaty “wrongs” is more like it…
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 06:10:04 PM
Post by: time2hunt on December 27, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
I don’t totally disagree with but you know as well as I do that will never happen. This hunt will be for certain tribal elder and there kids to profit off of.
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Post by: Bearrunner96 on December 27, 2023, 06:23:45 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 06:31:09 PM
TbarMaybe so, I don't know the specifics. As you know I don't like any animals off limits where a safe hunt can be had.
I don’t totally disagree with but you know as well as I do that will never happen. This hunt will be for certain tribal elder and there kids to profit off of.
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Post by: Bone collector 13 on December 27, 2023, 06:34:28 PM
Saw them chasing the herd of bulls with there trucks today and they had a bunch of bulls in the beds of some of them
Post by: Bone collector 13 on December 27, 2023, 06:35:17 PM
Saw them chasing the herd of bulls with there trucks today and they had a bunch of bulls in the beds of some of them
Crappy pics, didn’t want to stop and take them.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 27, 2023, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 27, 2023, 06:56:06 PM
Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Post by: LDennis24 on December 27, 2023, 07:04:41 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 07:08:19 PM
Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Post by: time2hunt on December 27, 2023, 07:12:48 PM
Just heard about it last couple days and that's all the info I got. What I do know is it's only tribal council members, tribal police and tribal attorneys. I know there's a lot of us that are pissed off with the council for deciding they get to hunt with the protections again and do what they want while the rest of us don't.
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Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 27, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 07:17:35 PM
Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 27, 2023, 07:19:47 PM
Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 07:21:22 PM
Ahead? :dunno: Are you going to educate on treaties? Please do.Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 27, 2023, 07:23:09 PM
Ahead? :dunno:Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
Vastly different views
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 07:24:36 PM
I will politely state that my views are fouded in law not opinion.Ahead? :dunno:Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
Vastly different views
Post by: LDennis24 on December 27, 2023, 07:25:20 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 27, 2023, 07:28:22 PM
Calling it ancestral is where the line should be drawn. While ancestral just means passed on from someone above you in your family tree, it's misleading in this sense. Just call it a whoopty boony basher hunt...
you lost me at "hunt"
It's a treaty rights special harvest
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 07:28:32 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 27, 2023, 07:29:11 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 27, 2023, 07:30:28 PM
Hopefully the rights held by tribes influence a truly disruptive and extremely biased policy body at the wdfw to perpetuate the consumptive use of natural resources to benefit all.
wouldn't that be nice, but I lost my optimism many moons ago when it comes to WDFW.
If we get another dem (Ferguson) governor that'll be the finale nail in the already nailed and glued coffin
Post by: time2hunt on December 27, 2023, 07:30:55 PM
The treaty of 1885 is broken and has been for a long time. If I remember correctly there’s a section that states that 3 or more male were off the reservation it could be classified as a war party.Ahead? :dunno: Are you going to educate on treaties? Please do.Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways….:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
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Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
There are key points that have been affirmed. Those are the ones I'm pretty well versed on. There's several times where the laws have morphed the treaty into what it is recognized as today.The treaty of 1885 is broken and has been for a long time. If I remember correctly there’s a section that states that 3 or more male were off the reservation it could be classified as a war party.Ahead? :dunno: Are you going to educate on treaties? Please do.Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways….:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
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Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 27, 2023, 07:45:08 PM
I will politely state that my views are fouded in law not opinion.Ahead? :dunno:Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
Vastly different views
Yes, and when the laws are wrong you fight to get them changed.
Post by: Tbar on December 27, 2023, 07:50:01 PM
:yeah:I will politely state that my views are fouded in law not opinion.Ahead? :dunno:Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
Vastly different views
Yes, and when the laws are wrong you fight to get them changed.
I do my best! We finally agree on something jd!
Post by: idahohuntr on December 27, 2023, 08:07:53 PM
Hopefully the rights held by tribes influence a truly disruptive and extremely biased policy body at the wdfw to perpetuate the consumptive use of natural resources to benefit all.:yeah:
Let's build bridges, not burn them...especially given the level of misunderstanding displayed by non tribal hunters when it comes to treaty rights.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 27, 2023, 08:11:44 PM
You do your best to keep us on opposite sides, I thought democrats were about equity, lol. Natives (wrongs) are the center piece of racism. Give me a better example of racism?:yeah:I will politely state that my views are fouded in law not opinion.Ahead? :dunno:Ethics say what? And others can use technological advances?Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Ethics say so....Are you calling it native pride?
I need to stop posting on this while you think you are ahead....carry on
Vastly different views
Yes, and when the laws are wrong you fight to get them changed.
I do my best! We finally agree on something jd!
Post by: dvolmer on December 27, 2023, 08:42:03 PM
Post by: Meathunter06 on December 27, 2023, 09:10:47 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 27, 2023, 09:19:02 PM
Why does a dog lick its balls? Because he can. Best way to explain all of this. Go ahead, crucify me! ;) this fits the definition of racism. Anytime someone gets special/preferred treatment due to its ethnicity, color of skin, or bloodline is the true definition of racism.It's not special treatment for people with a certain skin color. It's the exercise of a treaty right negotiated and ratified with the United States.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 27, 2023, 09:31:48 PM
It’s not skin color, they use blood testing to determine who gets the special rights. Similar to “blue bloods”.Why does a dog lick its balls? Because he can. Best way to explain all of this. Go ahead, crucify me! ;) this fits the definition of racism. Anytime someone gets special/preferred treatment due to its ethnicity, color of skin, or bloodline is the true definition of racism.It's not special treatment for people with a certain skin color. It's the exercise of a treaty right negotiated and ratified with the United States.
Post by: JJJ on December 27, 2023, 09:34:09 PM
Do you think they chased elk in that area 80 yrs ago with four wheel drive vehicles on their hunt? I don't think so. So it's not ancestral.
.... the ancestors must be incredibly proud.-------
Isnt there a strict speed limit, and NEVER leave the roadway on the Hanford site? Correct me if Im wrong (?) but Ive heard yer buttocks was in a sling if you did either of those..?..... :dunno:.... Yet another example of a self inflicting black eye to their culture. There are always good and bad eggs in every basket....I appreciate the positive things the tribes do for fisheries, etc. But, as always, it takes a few (or sometimes many) that ruin it for the rest of us. That's why we can't chew gum in school, boys and girls.... >:(
Will ALL Washington citizens be offered the chance to defend and keep OUR cultural rights, or do they not matter? Many of us have hunting as part of our culture that goes back generations in this state....
Post by: storyteller on December 27, 2023, 10:48:39 PM
What did the Treaty of 1855 do?
The Treaty Period - Nez Perce National Historical Park (U.S. ...
After more than a week of tense negotiations, the nimíipuu agreed to cede 7.5 million acres of tribal land while still retaining the right to hunt and fish in their "usual and accustomed places". The Treaty of 1855 was ratified by the US Senate in 1859.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 27, 2023, 11:22:24 PM
It's what the lefty, city crowd imagines what happens. For fishing, too. Seriously, people I know in Seattle think tribes are out in buckskins with bows and think I'm carrying a jug of whiskey and driving deer with fire, because y'know Bambi.Where does it say tribes are bound by methods previously used? I always find this claim amongst the more odd. I believe much of the discussion during the negotiations were quite the contrary. Including being able to travel to hunt.Ahhh, just like traditional ways…. 🤮:yeah: I am trying to refrain from posting on this matter
Post by: Bearrunner96 on December 28, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Post by: MAVsled on December 28, 2023, 08:09:24 AM
they've done enough damage to GMU's 346-342-360-352-368
While hunting late season archery mule deer in 2017-2019, I'll never forget the 2 flatbed trucks driving by camp with 4+ dead elk piled on.
Observed this each evening for 4 days as we sat by the campfire.
Listened to Yaks shoot multiple times in 342-346. One morning, watched thru binocs as they winched dead elk uphill to their flatbed truck.
Our final count, over 6 days we were camped, was 19 elk killed. Who knows how many we didn't see on trucks?!! :bash:
Watch for "ceremonial" elk meat sale soon in Craigslist etc.
Post by: JakeLand on December 28, 2023, 08:24:12 AM
Hopefully the rights held by tribes influence a truly disruptive and extremely biased policy body at the wdfw to perpetuate the consumptive use of natural resources to benefit all.hell yes I hope so !
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 08:34:17 AM
Last elk habitat the Yaks can easily harvest/kill elk.you forgot to add the alkali unit, the natives took that mule deer herd down big time!!
they've done enough damage to GMU's 346-342-360-352-368
While hunting late season archery mule deer in 2017-2019, I'll never forget the 2 flatbed trucks driving by camp with 4+ dead elk piled on.
Observed this each evening for 4 days as we sat by the campfire.
Listened to Yaks shoot multiple times in 342-346. One morning, watched thru binocs as they winched dead elk uphill to their flatbed truck.
Our final count, over 6 days we were camped, was 19 elk killed. Who knows how many we didn't see on trucks?!! :bash:
Watch for "ceremonial" elk meat sale soon in Craigslist etc.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 28, 2023, 08:54:26 AM
And go out, harvest first available and be done..
Bad time of year to be running elk. Especially bulls trying to fatten up for winter. And why does it seem like most of the harvest is mid 300 class bulls. Is it a requirement or greed. :dunno:
And hopefully they learned about driving on native soils. Didn't Delbert end up being found guilty a few years back with a truck load of bulls driving on ALE lands in Hanford.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 28, 2023, 10:59:04 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/tribal-member-king-mountain-owner-ordered-to-pay-34-125-for-off-roading-on-hanford/article_c25e94c6-2770-11e5-8d74-5ff501d4431e.amp.html
Post by: MeepDog on December 28, 2023, 11:35:36 AM
The Hanford herd has been over population objective for a long time and I'm glad there's some sort of step towards management other than giving out landowner tags to people who don't allow public access. That being said, over harvest would be a major mismanagement and clearly allowing offroading has terrible optics (which they probably aren't and that looks like a parking lot). I'm hoping that this stirs up the herd and allows them to disperse further.
They should allow an archery tag inside the fence. That would be crazy sought after.
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:46:59 PM
I'm confused. I thought the elk that live in that area we "off limits" to all because of the nuke plant? Is that not right? Figured it to be some national security thing or safety?They want them reduced in there!
Post by: Swervingtrouts on December 28, 2023, 12:51:31 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:52:17 PM
The beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:53:19 PM
Last elk habitat the Yaks can easily harvest/kill elk.Did you even hunt?
they've done enough damage to GMU's 346-342-360-352-368
While hunting late season archery mule deer in 2017-2019, I'll never forget the 2 flatbed trucks driving by camp with 4+ dead elk piled on.
Observed this each evening for 4 days as we sat by the campfire.
Listened to Yaks shoot multiple times in 342-346. One morning, watched thru binocs as they winched dead elk uphill to their flatbed truck.
Our final count, over 6 days we were camped, was 19 elk killed. Who knows how many we didn't see on trucks?!! :bash:
Watch for "ceremonial" elk meat sale soon in Craigslist etc.
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:53:58 PM
Well does someone have any photos of the bulls they killed yet? There's has to be a truck driving around Wapato/ Toppenish by now with 3 or 4 racks out the back and huge "Air Jordan" sticker on the window.WOW!
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:54:42 PM
There would be more elk to hunt on the Yakama rez if they shot those skinny horses that are ruining all the forage. :twocents:
The Hanford herd has been over population objective for a long time and I'm glad there's some sort of step towards management other than giving out landowner tags to people who don't allow public access. That being said, over harvest would be a major mismanagement and clearly allowing offroading has terrible optics (which they probably aren't and that looks like a parking lot). I'm hoping that this stirs up the herd and allows them to disperse further.
They should allow an archery tag inside the fence. That would be crazy sought after.
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:56:58 PM
Calling it ancestral is where the line should be drawn. While ancestral just means passed on from someone above you in your family tree, it's misleading in this sense. Just call it a whoopty boony basher hunt...lol
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:58:35 PM
If elk existed in area when the treaty was signed that's one thing. Hunting a species that did not exist when the treaty was signed is another.lol
On another note I read where the tribal council is getting first shot so to speak on hunting. Lets see how that plays out
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 12:59:11 PM
RightsTreaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'. I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.Treaty “wrongs” is more like it…
Post by: Woodchuck on December 28, 2023, 01:05:37 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2023, 01:10:02 PM
Any idea how many cows the Yakamas have killed today to reduce the elk population in there?
Post by: Whitefoot on December 28, 2023, 01:13:07 PM
Whitefoot-Not sure i didn't go on the hunt. But we only have three days left until or cow season ends.
Any idea how many cows the Yakamas have killed today to reduce the elk population in there?
Post by: 2MANY on December 28, 2023, 01:40:04 PM
Post by: deerlick on December 28, 2023, 01:43:27 PM
Well does someone have any photos of the bulls they killed yet? There's has to be a truck driving around Wapato/ Toppenish by now with 3 or 4 racks out the back and huge "Air Jordan" sticker on the window.
lmao
Post by: Rainier10 on December 28, 2023, 01:47:04 PM
There is a very small window of days that a cow elk is not pregnant and not nursing a calf, like a few weeks to a month window.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 28, 2023, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 28, 2023, 02:01:53 PM
This should be a great opportunity to show that hunting is a great conservation tool and hopefully an opportunity to open this area up for management by non natives as well.
They could have a hunt coordinator escort hunters and target a certain number of cows and bulls be removed each year.
With a hunt coordinator involved you could ensure all rules were followed and no habitat gets damaged by off roading.
Post by: 2MANY on December 28, 2023, 02:12:30 PM
Men of all colors will soon enough "manage" the elk into extinction just like he's done to our steelhead.
Post by: huntandjeep on December 28, 2023, 02:24:34 PM
Whitefoot-Pretty sure you already know the answer to that .
Any idea how many cows the Yakamas have killed today to reduce the elk population in there?
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 02:50:02 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 28, 2023, 03:29:33 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 28, 2023, 03:44:50 PM
This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?
No, it is not within our control other than who you vote for governor, who then appoints the comission members, who then screw us.
Inslee has stacked the comission with special interest groups, Ferguson will do the same to pander for left/wet side votes while utterly ignoring the right/east side voters (and hunters of the whole state).
Post by: Tbar on December 28, 2023, 03:51:37 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 03:51:50 PM
Post by: biggbuck on December 28, 2023, 03:52:46 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 28, 2023, 03:58:18 PM
This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?
No, it is not within our control other than who you vote for governor, who then appoints the comission members, who then screw us.
Inslee has stacked the comission with special interest groups, Ferguson will do the same to pander for left/wet side votes while utterly ignoring the right/east side voters (and hunters of the whole state).
Idk squeaky wheels typically get greased, every year people vent frustrations on here but do nothing...has there been a continuous 24/7 protest in Olympia over getting a voice? Then it doesn't mean enough to guys.. managing ourselves seems much more feasible then managing tribes on things that have been set in stone a century ago.
Just thinking out loud, carry on :hello:
Post by: KFhunter on December 28, 2023, 04:04:57 PM
This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?
No, it is not within our control other than who you vote for governor, who then appoints the comission members, who then screw us.
Inslee has stacked the comission with special interest groups, Ferguson will do the same to pander for left/wet side votes while utterly ignoring the right/east side voters (and hunters of the whole state).
Idk squeaky wheels typically get greased, every year people vent frustrations on here but do nothing...has there been a continuous 24/7 protest in Olympia over getting a voice? Then it doesn't mean enough to guys.. managing ourselves seems much more feasible then managing tribes on things that have been set in stone a century ago.
Just thinking out loud, carry on :hello:
the media is leftist
the state government is leftist
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
You won't get noticed holding your little sign until BLM or Antifa come to shut you down then you won't shoot them as the cops will come protect them and shuffle you out.
Post by: Tbar on December 28, 2023, 05:34:57 PM
This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?@kentrek
Not a bad idea. It would be great for more to get involved with desired outcomes when it comes to conservation. Instead of investing time where they could influence change many take a passive aggressive or at times a straight aggressive keyboard jockey role on here. Same time invested into set processes could possibly make a difference. That said the current wdfw commission takes a lot of wind out of sails.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 07:20:41 PM
you really have no right to criticize for peeps on here getting aggressive, you are on a side that gets to set the rules, and have far less rules than the majority. You are smart enough to know that conservation and yakamas are NOT possible with zero limits and elders that don’t enforce tribal rules when it comes to selling meat. You say a lot of intelligent things, but if it came down to making it even across the board, how would you vote?This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?@kentrek
Not a bad idea. It would be great for more to get involved with desired outcomes when it comes to conservation. Instead of investing time where they could influence change many take a passive aggressive or at times a straight aggressive keyboard jockey role on here. Same time invested into set processes could possibly make a difference. That said the current wdfw commission takes a lot of wind out of sails.
Post by: Bearrunner96 on December 28, 2023, 08:23:06 PM
how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 08:56:38 PM
he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Post by: elkrack on December 28, 2023, 09:01:37 PM
We might not agree with their treaty rights but we would be way better off trying to find common ground with the tribes. :twocents:
Post by: Dan-o on December 28, 2023, 09:25:41 PM
he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:
Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.
Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.
And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez? Really?
Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.
And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it. Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.
Post by: kentrek on December 28, 2023, 09:43:07 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on December 28, 2023, 09:56:11 PM
he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:
Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.
Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.
And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez? Really?
Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.
And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it. Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.
Well said. :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 10:27:37 PM
or maybe this guy kills more bulls in a year than most will in a lifetime, but go ahead and kiss his butt even more. He lol’s even more when non natives back up his BS. You win on this site Aaron, wokeness is spreading like wildfire!!he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:
Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.
Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.
And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez? Really?
Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.
And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it. Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.
Well said. :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 10:35:13 PM
Scary part is Jerry that in a few years the tribes will be the only hunters legally hunting in Washington state! Take that to the bankcommon ground Mike? Wtf is that? You think the tribes give 2 chits about your or your kids hunting RIGHTS? C’mon man. And yes, we non natives have hunting rights, it’s not a privilege, it’s God given rights. If it comes down to hunting being illegal for non natives… well, you know.
We might not agree with their treaty rights but we would be way better off trying to find common ground with the tribes. :twocents:
Post by: Dan-o on December 28, 2023, 10:43:32 PM
or maybe this guy kills more bulls in a year than most will in a lifetime, but go ahead and kiss his butt even more. He lol’s even more when non natives back up his BS. You win on this site Aaron, wokeness is spreading like wildfire!!he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:
Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.
Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.
And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez? Really?
Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.
And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it. Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.
Well said. :yeah: :yeah:
I asked straightforward questions:
* Do you have any proof that they offroaded?
* Do you have any direct knowledge of how many animals were taken to back up the allegation of wiping out the herd?
* Would anyone be excited by an elk track on the reservation?
Why not simply answer my questions?
Why the need to call names and throw out insults?
The topic of this thread was the recent Hanford hunt, not a bunch of bulls someone shot.
I don't know why you feel the need to drag that into this thread, when he said he wasn't even part of this hunt.
So, will you answer direct questions, or only throw out insults?
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 10:49:56 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on December 28, 2023, 10:54:36 PM
I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Dang dude you sound jealous.
Post by: Dan-o on December 28, 2023, 11:01:35 PM
I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Read the context.
Bearrunner96 made the allegations.
Whitefoot LOL'd.
You called him a troll.
I asked for proof of the allegations.
You sling insults.
I just want facts and data.
Facts and data might help with a discussion.
Slinging insults will only cut off conversation.
And I've never met Aaron. Have no intention to meet him or try to gain a hunt. Your insinuation is just baseless.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 11:03:36 PM
you can do better than that man, that jealous claim is like the last bs comment you have when you know someone speaks the truth. What’s funny is, if you hunted by our rules, lol, you’d starve to death! Not even close to jealous about your skills with hunting, just amazed how good you think you are with having a season that never ends with no rules, man, I’m impressed!!I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Dang dude you sound jealous.
Post by: Platensek-po on December 28, 2023, 11:08:13 PM
Lololol I’m not native. Lololololololyou can do better than that man, that jealous claim is like the last bs comment you have when you know someone speaks the truth. What’s funny is, if you hunted by our rules, lol, you’d starve to death! Not even close to jealous about your skills with hunting, just amazed how good you think you are with having a season that never ends with no rules, man, I’m impressed!!I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Dang dude you sound jealous.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 28, 2023, 11:08:37 PM
It’s the government that needs to provide reparations for hunters and other minority groups that have had their equal rights violated.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 11:09:28 PM
so you accused me of what others said, ok. He is a troll, look back at other threads if you want. When ever this subject comes up, he shows up with his “lol” bs. Check it out if you care. You really think facts will play a role with the tribes in this thread? Really? I’ve given them props when it’s warranted, this is not one of those times. And if calling someone a troll is slinging insults, you might be a snow flake, sorry, just saying.I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Read the context.
Bearrunner96 made the allegations.
Whitefoot LOL'd.
You called him a troll.
I asked for proof of the allegations.
You sling insults.
I just want facts and data.
Facts and data might help with a discussion.
Slinging insults will only cut off conversation.
And I've never met Aaron. Have no intention to meet him or try to gain a hunt. Your insinuation is just baseless.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 28, 2023, 11:10:25 PM
man, you’d never know!Lololol I’m not native. Lololololololyou can do better than that man, that jealous claim is like the last bs comment you have when you know someone speaks the truth. What’s funny is, if you hunted by our rules, lol, you’d starve to death! Not even close to jealous about your skills with hunting, just amazed how good you think you are with having a season that never ends with no rules, man, I’m impressed!!I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Dang dude you sound jealous.
Post by: Platensek-po on December 28, 2023, 11:21:15 PM
so you accused me of what others said, ok. He is a troll, look back at other threads if you want. When ever this subject comes up, he shows up with his “lol” bs. Check it out if you care. You really think facts will play a role with the tribes in this thread? Really? I’ve given them props when it’s warranted, this is not one of those times. And if calling someone a troll is slinging insults, you might be a snow flake, sorry, just saying.I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Read the context.
Bearrunner96 made the allegations.
Whitefoot LOL'd.
You called him a troll.
I asked for proof of the allegations.
You sling insults.
I just want facts and data.
Facts and data might help with a discussion.
Slinging insults will only cut off conversation.
And I've never met Aaron. Have no intention to meet him or try to gain a hunt. Your insinuation is just baseless.
But you literally don’t know anything. I would bet you don’t know what single tribes harvest numbers are, or what their seasons are, or what if any of the allegations made in this thread are true. So yeah you can be as mad as you want about words said on a forum. But these things get said over and over and I have yet to see proof of any of it. Have you even looked at the treaties and read them? In most cases the US government failed to uphold its end of those treaties for a long long time. Now you are upset cause OUR government is messing things up. You see others have something you don’t and cry about it. That’s called jealousy plane and simple.
Post by: Dan-o on December 28, 2023, 11:34:23 PM
so you accused me of what others said, ok. He is a troll, look back at other threads if you want. When ever this subject comes up, he shows up with his “lol” bs. Check it out if you care. You really think facts will play a role with the tribes in this thread? Really? I’ve given them props when it’s warranted, this is not one of those times. And if calling someone a troll is slinging insults, you might be a snow flake, sorry, just saying.I never said people were driving off road, I never said they were wiping out the herd on the Hanford property, ( yes they did on other units), I didn’t say crap about elk racks coming off the Rez?? I’ll answer any question you want, I haven’t been asked yet! But go ahead and keep kissing butt, Im sure you’ll get to hunt big bulls with Aaron someday
Read the context.
Bearrunner96 made the allegations.
Whitefoot LOL'd.
You called him a troll.
I asked for proof of the allegations.
You sling insults.
I just want facts and data.
Facts and data might help with a discussion.
Slinging insults will only cut off conversation.
And I've never met Aaron. Have no intention to meet him or try to gain a hunt. Your insinuation is just baseless.
I didn't accuse you of what other said, I simply wanted to know if there was any proof of the original allegations made.
I am aware of other threads.... I'd rather that not pollute this discussion.
But I don't think I'm going to get anywhere trying to get actual facts, so I think I'll hang it up for tonight.
Post by: bearpaw on December 29, 2023, 04:15:29 AM
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Post by: bearpaw on December 29, 2023, 04:33:50 AM
The jealousy is deafening. I don't see tribes as the enemy of non-native sportsman, the tribes are simply more united in keeping their hunting rights and they have historic agreements which strengthen their voice for now. If I was a native I would be out hunting and fishing during all the seasons I was allowed, just like the majority of everyone reading this would be.
By now I would think most people would have it figured out, the enemy of hunters in Washington is Jay Inslee who has put anti-hunters in the decision making positions for hunting in Washington. The only way to keep hunting in this state is to not vote in another Jay Inslee or worse! If you want to make a difference get involved in electing a moderate or conservative governor who will support sportsman, most likely anyone but a far left governor!
The tribes should do the same, once the anti-hunters eliminate hunting for the majority I expect they will turn their focus to eliminating native hunting rights. :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 29, 2023, 06:05:13 AM
Post by: HillHound on December 29, 2023, 06:12:15 AM
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on December 29, 2023, 06:53:31 AM
Post by: time2hunt on December 29, 2023, 06:57:41 AM
Dan-Oor maybe this guy kills more bulls in a year than most will in a lifetime, but go ahead and kiss his butt even more. He lol’s even more when non natives back up his BS. You win on this site Aaron, wokeness is spreading like wildfire!!he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:
Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.
Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.
And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez? Really?
Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.
And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it. Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.
Well said. :yeah: :yeah:
I asked straightforward questions:
* Do you have any proof that they offroaded?
* Do you have any direct knowledge of how many animals were taken to back up the allegation of wiping out the herd?
* Would anyone be excited by an elk track on the reservation?
Why not simply answer my questions?
Why the need to call names and throw out insults?
The topic of this thread was the recent Hanford hunt, not a bunch of bulls someone shot.
I don't know why you feel the need to drag that into this thread, when he said he wasn't even part of this hunt.
So, will you answer direct questions, or only throw out insults?
Come over one weekend or even a week day and sit on the whiskey dick ridge or the old brushy ridge road to the wheat fields. And your questions will be answered.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2023, 07:22:07 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 29, 2023, 07:26:03 AM
Post by: BUTTER on December 29, 2023, 08:09:44 AM
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2023, 08:18:16 AM
https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/tribal-member-king-mountain-owner-ordered-to-pay-34-125-for-off-roading-on-hanford/article_c25e94c6-2770-11e5-8d74-5ff501d4431e.html2011, intentional act to get to today. RIP
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 29, 2023, 08:20:51 AM
What's the annual harvest limit for elk for Yakima tribal members. (Individual)
And do they self impose total harvest limits per gmu.
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2023, 09:06:16 AM
Dan-Oor maybe this guy kills more bulls in a year than most will in a lifetime, but go ahead and kiss his butt even more. He lol’s even more when non natives back up his BS. You win on this site Aaron, wokeness is spreading like wildfire!!he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to othersThe beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.lol
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.
Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:
Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.
Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.
And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez? Really?
Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.
And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it. Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.
Well said. :yeah: :yeah:
I asked straightforward questions:
* Do you have any proof that they offroaded?
* Do you have any direct knowledge of how many animals were taken to back up the allegation of wiping out the herd?
* Would anyone be excited by an elk track on the reservation?
Why not simply answer my questions?
Why the need to call names and throw out insults?
The topic of this thread was the recent Hanford hunt, not a bunch of bulls someone shot.
I don't know why you feel the need to drag that into this thread, when he said he wasn't even part of this hunt.
So, will you answer direct questions, or only throw out insults?
Come over one weekend or even a week day and sit on the whiskey dick ridge or the old brushy ridge road to the wheat fields. And your questions will be answered.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It's some of my favorite territory. Some of my best hunting memories happened right there.
I try to spend as much time up and around there as possible.
If you see a dark Blue H3 with a Bigfoot sticker in the back window, wave me down. I'll buy you a nonalcoholic beverage (since I don't tend to travel with beer in my cooler).
I'm not at all OK with the status quo.
It's amazing country, and it is being abused.
But what I'm after is factual data, not inuendo and name calling.
For instance, the source I trust the most said that the hunters on Hanford parked in a designated parking area and did not go wheeling or chasing elk across sensitive soils. But then people post about the hunters tearing up the sensitive soil area. It's not too much to ask for proof when such allegations are made.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 29, 2023, 09:20:00 AM
There is a small group of yakama tribe members hunting an area that has been closed to hunting for 80 years.
The herd of elk being harvested is way over carrying capacity causing damage to adjacent properties.
I don’t see this as opportunity being taken away from non native hunters.
I don’t see this as overharvest affecting the resource in units that are open to native and non native harvest.
I don’t where the number of animals whitefoot harvests has anything to do with the hunt on Hanford. He has said he isn’t participating.
There is a very select group within a select group participating.
I see a bunch of people that complain about overharvest of animals from the Yakima and colockum units upset that elk are being harvested from a unit closed to hunting for 80 years, that is over capacity.
Would you rather the unit stay closed to all and those natives hunt the units that are open to all?
Would you rather the unit stay closed to all hunting and not have the opportunity to discuss opening it to non native hunting as well as native hunting? Shared harvest?
It seems like an open door for change and so many here want to see it closed and just want to complain about what can’t be changed.
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2023, 09:35:32 AM
There seems to be a lot of questions and comments that don’t relate to this thread at all.
There is a small group of yakama tribe members hunting an area that has been closed to hunting for 80 years.
The herd of elk being harvested is way over carrying capacity causing damage to adjacent properties.
I don’t see this as opportunity being taken away from non native hunters.
I don’t see this as overharvest affecting the resource in units that are open to native and non native harvest.
I don’t where the number of animals whitefoot harvests has anything to do with the hunt on Hanford. He has said he isn’t participating.
There is a very select group within a select group participating.
I see a bunch of people that complain about overharvest of animals from the Yakima and colockum units upset that elk are being harvested from a unit closed to hunting for 80 years, that is over capacity.
Would you rather the unit stay closed to all and those natives hunt the units that are open to all?
Would you rather the unit stay closed to all hunting and not have the opportunity to discuss opening it to non native hunting as well as native hunting? Shared harvest?
It seems like an open door for change and so many here want to see it closed and just want to complain about what can’t be changed.
*If* there’s an upside it’s that maybe someday the jerky sellers will move to Rattlesnake and give units open to “us” a little bit of breathing room.
Post by: ipkus on December 29, 2023, 09:36:10 AM
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 29, 2023, 09:39:58 AM
I'd guess they will hunt the units open to all before and during the season, then go to their special area after all the other units close.There seems to be a lot of questions and comments that don’t relate to this thread at all.
There is a small group of yakama tribe members hunting an area that has been closed to hunting for 80 years.
The herd of elk being harvested is way over carrying capacity causing damage to adjacent properties.
I don’t see this as opportunity being taken away from non native hunters.
I don’t see this as overharvest affecting the resource in units that are open to native and non native harvest.
I don’t where the number of animals whitefoot harvests has anything to do with the hunt on Hanford. He has said he isn’t participating.
There is a very select group within a select group participating.
I see a bunch of people that complain about overharvest of animals from the Yakima and colockum units upset that elk are being harvested from a unit closed to hunting for 80 years, that is over capacity.
Would you rather the unit stay closed to all and those natives hunt the units that are open to all?
Would you rather the unit stay closed to all hunting and not have the opportunity to discuss opening it to non native hunting as well as native hunting? Shared harvest?
It seems like an open door for change and so many here want to see it closed and just want to complain about what can’t be changed.
*If* there’s an upside it’s that maybe someday the jerky sellers will move to Rattlesnake and give units open to “us” a little bit of breathing room.
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2023, 09:40:39 AM
My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Can you blame them?
It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.BINGO!!!
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Post by: Whitefoot on December 29, 2023, 10:01:14 AM
Wow! an how do you know this?My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Can you blame them?
It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.
Post by: Whitefoot on December 29, 2023, 10:03:53 AM
My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.lol. pumping money into politicians? Ok!
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 29, 2023, 10:05:59 AM
And if it's not about management and just a hunt because they can then say that.
But the idea that native opportunity leads to non native opportunity is something that's hard to grasp for me...I've been hunting 300 series gmu's for over 30 years and the non native opportunities keep dwindling.
I'm not against the hunt just looking for someone to tell it like it's.
Kinda like the dozens of my tribal buddies that constantly rub it in my face that they have very liberal "seasons" for fishing and shellfish... :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2023, 10:10:40 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2023, 10:12:00 AM
Wow! an how do you know this?My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Can you blame them?
It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.
https://www.fec.gov/updates/fec-clarifies-rules-on-contributions-from-indian-tribes/
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on December 29, 2023, 10:14:13 AM
Tribes gave $650,000 to Gregoire to kill the casino compact that would have benefited the whole stateMy problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.lol. pumping money into politicians? Ok!
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Post by: Rainier10 on December 29, 2023, 10:18:29 AM
My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.
This is exactly where I think the discussion should be.
I am positive there are plenty of hunters that would apply for a permit in this area to shoot bulls and cows. Make the application fee or the permit fee high enough to cover paying a hunt coordinator to escort the lucky permit holders to ensure they are safe and follow all of the rules.
No way could non natives have ever lobbied and won this opportunity but now that the natives have got the opportunity it should be open to non natives as well.
I’m fine with whatever costs or restrictions they want to impose for us to have the opportunity but at least now they can’t say “it’s not safe, you don’t have the security clearance” or whatever. The herd is over objective. Natives are being allowed access to hunt, non natives should as well.
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2023, 10:19:01 AM
Post by: Whitefoot on December 29, 2023, 10:19:20 AM
Thanks!Wow! an how do you know this?My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
Can you blame them?
It’s “our” game to cater to special interest groups of which the tribes are but a few of many buying our elected leaders all the way to DC.
https://www.fec.gov/updates/fec-clarifies-rules-on-contributions-from-indian-tribes/
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2023, 10:21:50 AM
My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.
This is exactly where I think the discussion should be.
I am positive there are plenty of hunters that would apply for a permit in this area to shoot bulls and cows. Make the application fee or the permit fee high enough to cover paying a hunt coordinator to escort the lucky permit holders to ensure they are safe and follow all of the rules.
No way could non natives have ever lobbied and won this opportunity but now that the natives have got the opportunity it should be open to non natives as well.
I’m fine with whatever costs or restrictions they want to impose for us to have the opportunity but at least now they can’t say “it’s not safe, you don’t have the security clearance” or whatever. The herd is over objective. Natives are being allowed access to hunt, non natives should as well.
Drive around off-roading in your 4x4 illegally, fill the bed with big bulls you have no tags for, and turn yourself in for your own special privilege? Might work?
I jest, you’d be crucified
Post by: MeepDog on December 29, 2023, 11:04:47 AM
This is well said. It could be similar to the potholes, where natives can hunt but at least the potholes has a draw opportunity for the average Joe who doesn't have extra rights. It would be a great way to add another hunt to spread the point distribution out. You could easily have 30+ permits of all sorts out there.My problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.
This is exactly where I think the discussion should be.
I am positive there are plenty of hunters that would apply for a permit in this area to shoot bulls and cows. Make the application fee or the permit fee high enough to cover paying a hunt coordinator to escort the lucky permit holders to ensure they are safe and follow all of the rules.
No way could non natives have ever lobbied and won this opportunity but now that the natives have got the opportunity it should be open to non natives as well.
I’m fine with whatever costs or restrictions they want to impose for us to have the opportunity but at least now they can’t say “it’s not safe, you don’t have the security clearance” or whatever. The herd is over objective. Natives are being allowed access to hunt, non natives should as well.
Post by: WSU on December 29, 2023, 11:14:49 AM
https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/tribal-member-king-mountain-owner-ordered-to-pay-34-125-for-off-roading-on-hanford/article_c25e94c6-2770-11e5-8d74-5ff501d4431e.html2011, intentional act to get to today. RIP
Oh the irony of the government turning the land into a nuclear waste site then charging him for running over plants with his pickup.
Post by: buckfvr on December 29, 2023, 11:45:49 AM
Treaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'. I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.
Inalienable rights in part of the treaty. Waste of time and breath to argue this. Hunters are a small group in this state, we all know it yet even all hunters and gun owners dont vote the same, many of them actually shooting themselves in the foot every time they vote. Probably most of them. Socially we are on our own and that doesn't bode well.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2023, 11:52:47 AM
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2023, 01:12:19 PM
“ in common with” says that in the treaty I believe, pretty big statement since we non natives are losing hunts. Maybe this commission is a God send.Interesting opinion. Not sure you are in tune with "this commission", or their positions. If you are, care to elaborate? :dunno: To me this shows an emotion driven combative position. It also shows the willingness to sacrifice hunting out of spite and jealously. Very frustrating watching the two extremes at work facilitating losses to consumptive users, one out of spite and the other with an fantasy of "nature".
Post by: LDennis24 on December 29, 2023, 02:00:54 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on December 29, 2023, 02:21:24 PM
@Whitefoot your inbox is fullYeah, i have to clean it up. Thanks!
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2023, 02:27:00 PM
my point, if this commision ends hunting for non natives, maybe that will affect the tribes when it comes to “in common with”. Maybe then, IF the tribal hunting in this state was in trouble, we could finally get on the same page. Your high and mighty stance that some of us are just jealous reminds me of middle school kids on the playground, jealously may be a tiny part of it but switch roles and you’d be just as mad about it. So do tell us, what if you were non native and you had way different rules strictly because you were “non” native, you’d be happy about it? Let me guess, your gonna say, I’d do something about it besides bitchin?? Well, you and I both know, we non natives can’t do chit about it.“ in common with” says that in the treaty I believe, pretty big statement since we non natives are losing hunts. Maybe this commission is a God send.Interesting opinion. Not sure you are in tune with "this commission", or their positions. If you are, care to elaborate? :dunno: To me this shows an emotion driven combative position. It also shows the willingness to sacrifice hunting out of spite and jealously. Very frustrating watching the two extremes at work facilitating losses to consumptive users, one out of spite and the other with an fantasy of "nature".
Post by: Platensek-po on December 29, 2023, 02:31:29 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2023, 03:12:16 PM
FYI, in common with is a yet to be adjudicated term on the terrestrial side. In fishing it resulted in allocation. A bit premature to argue the future of interpretation.my point, if this commision ends hunting for non natives, maybe that will affect the tribes when it comes to “in common with”. Maybe then, IF the tribal hunting in this state was in trouble, we could finally get on the same page. Your high and mighty stance that some of us are just jealous reminds me of middle school kids on the playground, jealously may be a tiny part of it but switch roles and you’d be just as mad about it. So do tell us, what if you were non native and you had way different rules strictly because you were “non” native, you’d be happy about it? Let me guess, your gonna say, I’d do something about it besides bitchin?? Well, you and I both know, we non natives can’t do chit about it.“ in common with” says that in the treaty I believe, pretty big statement since we non natives are losing hunts. Maybe this commission is a God send.Interesting opinion. Not sure you are in tune with "this commission", or their positions. If you are, care to elaborate? :dunno: To me this shows an emotion driven combative position. It also shows the willingness to sacrifice hunting out of spite and jealously. Very frustrating watching the two extremes at work facilitating losses to consumptive users, one out of spite and the other with an fantasy of "nature".
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 29, 2023, 03:50:34 PM
How many can they shoot, well, their limits are zero, nada, zilch with deer and elk. Great conservation, but if they shoot them all, they can just go back to the colockum and shoot another 400+ bull.Really think they won't while this is going on?
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2023, 03:55:46 PM
Oh I’m sure they will, especially after reading this thread and the other mad comments on the newspapers Facebook page when they posted the article. But then the news paper took the comments off and blocked comments when a native complained to the news. I’m sure there will be an “out of spite” hunt coming soon.How many can they shoot, well, their limits are zero, nada, zilch with deer and elk. Great conservation, but if they shoot them all, they can just go back to the colockum and shoot another 400+ bull.Really think they won't while this is going on?
Post by: idaho guy on December 29, 2023, 04:19:36 PM
Some good points, opening the unit to natives may lead to opening it up for non natives, that would be good. But when people say if you had the same rights you’d do the same, that’s where I don’t agree. To my core I don’t like to waste game, I’ve had/have open tags but when the freezer is full from myself or the wife, I’m done. Of course I have friends and family that say they’ll take my animal if I keep hunting, it just doesn’t feel right to me. Just because you/they can, doesn’t mean it’s right or it helps the herds. The Hanford herd may need to be thinned, hopefully they add non native tags soon.
winner. I think this is where the frustration is for most. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I usually have 2 elk tags every year. 1 montana and 1 idaho. If me and my son both get an elk thats plenty for the house. I have eaten a few elk tags that I could have easily filled. Whats the point of killing more than you need? I think this specific native hunt opportunity is a good deal. The herd needs thinning and it might possibly open the door to non native hunts. Hunting should be used to manage the herd and NOBODY is hunting them. Could be worse I just read an article where California is using tax payer money to hire sharpshooters to kill every mule deer on Catalina island. I would rather have natives hunt. Might also push a few into surrounding units with existing "white guy" 😂 hunts
Post by: Bone collector 13 on December 29, 2023, 04:47:25 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 29, 2023, 05:04:17 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 29, 2023, 05:15:27 PM
Tribes gave $650,000 to Gregoire to kill the casino compact that would have benefited the whole stateMy problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.lol. pumping money into politicians? Ok!
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
More recently they were given exclusive sports gambling rights. Can’t even bet online legally in this state. Our government is under complete control by tribal interests.
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on December 29, 2023, 06:10:38 PM
So true.Tribes gave $650,000 to Gregoire to kill the casino compact that would have benefited the whole stateMy problem with the whole thing is simple; if it is “safe” and “secure” enough for tribal members to have a limited hunt out there, the same thing should apply for non-tribal members. Drawing…raffle…whatever, it should be allowed.lol. pumping money into politicians? Ok!
After the tribes were allowed casinos in Washington they have been pumping money into politicians campaigns to the point that they wield immense power in Olympia, and that Pandora’s box will never close.
The real issue is that equity is all certain groups scream about until things are actually in their favor, at which point they no longer talk about equity because they have more than the next guy, which was the whole point all along. Our society is screwed…
More recently they were given exclusive sports gambling rights. Can’t even bet online legally in this state. Our government is under complete control by tribal interests.
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2023, 06:35:03 PM
Seen this on instagram todayPhoto is over a decade old.
Post by: Bob33 on December 29, 2023, 06:48:15 PM
Some Hunt WA member has an Instagram account. :)Seen this on instagram todayPhoto is over a decade old.
Post by: OutHouse on December 29, 2023, 07:22:20 PM
Treaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'. I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.
I got about four or five pages in when I realized this comment from early on was the most salient, but unfortunately, also the most disruptive in some ways because it brings the issue front and center. I think its important for everyone to understand that we are talking about "rights" in this situation, based on treaty contracts, one of the highest laws of the land. It just happens to benefit a certain group, who also gave up a great deal to secure the terms of the contract. I believe in making good on promises
Post by: buglebuster on December 29, 2023, 07:34:12 PM
Seen this on instagram todayPhoto is over a decade old.
That photo is most definitely not over a decade old. 3 of my friends personally saw that today in Yakima.
Post by: HntnFsh on December 29, 2023, 07:37:28 PM
Seen this on instagram todayPhoto is over a decade old.
That photo is most definitely not over a decade old. 3 of my friends personally saw that today in Yakima.
I think he's mistaking it for another one that was going around several years ago. Seems like it was a blue chevy back then.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 29, 2023, 07:40:33 PM
Post by: OutHouse on December 29, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Seen this on instagram todayPhoto is over a decade old.
That photo is most definitely not over a decade old. 3 of my friends personally saw that today in Yakima.
Hmmm. The weather and angle all work out, the sky does too. I can't tell what the plate says. But either way, I don't know what the actual circumstances are. That may go to several families. Who knows. Maybe some one can chime in who actually knows? That would probably help a lot :tup:
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 29, 2023, 07:57:37 PM
In perpetuity?Treaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'. I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.
I got about four or five pages in when I realized this comment from early on was the most salient, but unfortunately, also the most disruptive in some ways because it brings the issue front and center. I think its important for everyone to understand that we are talking about "rights" in this situation, based on treaty contracts, one of the highest laws of the land. It just happens to benefit a certain group, who also gave up a great deal to secure the terms of the contract. I believe in making good on promises
Your children’s children’s children should never be able to drink at the tribal kids water fountain?
Post by: idahohuntr on December 29, 2023, 08:25:29 PM
To paraphrase a federal judge from a fishing treaty rights case...great nations, like great men, keep their word.Treaty RIGHTs...not 'privileges'. I think that's fundamental to understanding the topic.
I got about four or five pages in when I realized this comment from early on was the most salient, but unfortunately, also the most disruptive in some ways because it brings the issue front and center. I think its important for everyone to understand that we are talking about "rights" in this situation, based on treaty contracts, one of the highest laws of the land. It just happens to benefit a certain group, who also gave up a great deal to secure the terms of the contract. I believe in making good on promises
Post by: deerlick on December 29, 2023, 09:18:45 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2023, 09:59:37 PM
The first pic of the blue toyota tacomas that body style wasn't made yet 10 years ago, unless natives get trucks before they come out, tooTbar was wrong, he’s just not admitting it.
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 29, 2023, 10:02:01 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2023, 10:12:38 PM
The first pic of the blue toyota tacomas that body style wasn't made yet 10 years ago, unless natives get trucks before they come out, tooTbar was wrong, he’s just not admitting it.
Had the photos wrong. Lol
Post by: 2MANY on December 30, 2023, 06:52:29 AM
Post by: time2hunt on December 30, 2023, 08:49:26 AM
I know you do lots of work on your side of the mountains with the tribes on natural resources and hunting and it’s truly appreciated. I also know the Colvilles try to work and manage there resource the best they can. Unfortunately the Yakimas have a different look at game management than most of the tribes in Washington. It’s not all the tribal member that are the issue. It’s a select few that are family members and friends of council elders. I’m betting that truck load of elk didn’t come from the Hanford site since it was on 40ave. Unfortunately it came from one of the feeding stations with in the Wenas or oak creek. Do you see a meat pack in any of those pictures ? How did they get to those elk if the were not traveling off/ or closed roads?
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Post by: pianoman9701 on December 30, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Post by: buckfvr on December 30, 2023, 10:52:22 AM
How easy it seems, with a simple slight of hand, to divert hunters' attention away from the real issues negatively affecting our heritage, so that we turn on each other while the wolves salivate on the sidelines over their success. In the perspective of what's happening to the future of hunting across our entire state, the Hanford bulls are not even a drop in the bucket.
:yeah:
Post by: Bowhunter3 on December 30, 2023, 12:10:04 PM
How easy it seems, with a simple slight of hand, to divert hunters' attention away from the real issues negatively affecting our heritage, so that we turn on each other while the wolves salivate on the sidelines over their success. In the perspective of what's happening to the future of hunting across our entire state, the Hanford bulls are not even a drop in the bucket.
The anti’s are loving every second of this.
Post by: OutHouse on December 30, 2023, 12:19:36 PM
How easy it seems, with a simple slight of hand, to divert hunters' attention away from the real issues negatively affecting our heritage, so that we turn on each other while the wolves salivate on the sidelines over their success. In the perspective of what's happening to the future of hunting across our entire state, the Hanford bulls are not even a drop in the bucket.
Well said.
Post by: GWP on December 30, 2023, 12:20:10 PM
Keep in mind the Tribes DO NOT need PERMISSION to hunt OR FISH, but they actually refrain from doing so (for the most part) to work in coordination with WDFW and Gov’t to not create more friction.
It is their RIGHT to hunt, fish and take game by Tribal agreement, one Government to another.
Could it be renegotiated? Sure. Will it? No. Should it? Debatable.
Most of the arguments And complaints about Tribal rights I have heard for 60 plus years boil down to “I want” from the Non Tribal side.
“It’s not fair!”
True. The treaties were not honored until the 1980’s. Oh wait! Not the way intended!
Post by: hunter399 on December 30, 2023, 01:49:17 PM
Post by: El_morenito on December 30, 2023, 04:09:14 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 30, 2023, 04:14:07 PM
It’s their peoples land, they can do what they please to do with it.wrong
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on December 30, 2023, 04:16:41 PM
:yeah:It’s their peoples land, they can do what they please to do with it.wrong
Post by: Platensek-po on December 30, 2023, 04:18:34 PM
When the agreements (treaties) were made BY OUR GOVERNMENT with what is basically ANOTHER GOVERNMENT, the non Tribal side IMMEDIATELY broke their promise and DID NOT HONOR THE TREATIES UNTIL THE 1980’s.:yeah:
Keep in mind the Tribes DO NOT need PERMISSION to hunt OR FISH, but they actually refrain from doing so (for the most part) to work in coordination with WDFW and Gov’t to not create more friction.
It is their RIGHT to hunt, fish and take game by Tribal agreement, one Government to another.
Could it be renegotiated? Sure. Will it? No. Should it? Debatable.
Most of the arguments And complaints about Tribal rights I have heard for 60 plus years boil down to “I want” from the Non Tribal side.
“It’s not fair!”
True. The treaties were not honored until the 1980’s. Oh wait! Not the way intended!
Post by: TD3939 on December 30, 2023, 06:33:22 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 30, 2023, 06:59:52 PM
I'm pretty sure if this hunt was for meat, like the ancestors of the current tribes focused on, those big old tuff bulls would be safe. It's pure and simply a trophy hunting opportunity that the non-tribal hunting community will never partake in. This has nothing to do with tradition or heritage. It is what it is.we will prob never know the back door deals that went down on this one.
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on December 30, 2023, 07:05:18 PM
For sureI'm pretty sure if this hunt was for meat, like the ancestors of the current tribes focused on, those big old tuff bulls would be safe. It's pure and simply a trophy hunting opportunity that the non-tribal hunting community will never partake in. This has nothing to do with tradition or heritage. It is what it is.we will prob never know the back door deals that went down on this one.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 30, 2023, 07:29:36 PM
I'm pretty sure if this hunt was for meat, like the ancestors of the current tribes focused on, those big old tuff bulls would be safe. It's pure and simply a trophy hunting opportunity that the non-tribal hunting community will never partake in. This has nothing to do with tradition or heritage. It is what it is.we will prob never know the back door deals that went down on this one.
Oh I think we know. I do believe politics play a role. Democrats/WDFW are bleeding hearts always caving to the tribes. Tribes are always willing to accept the cheese. Democrats actually do more damage to the natives and their heritage and don’t even realize it. This was an absolute waste...mismanage a population and then allow this type of activity (not calling it hunting). You’d think some of these coulda been relocated :dunno:
I don’t see anything on this subject relating to a treaty. That’s just an excuse. Looks like entitlement and greed? This goes against what natives have historically stood for. You can’t tell me when the treaty was signed there was an idea of natives driving around in trucks chasing/shooting trophy bulls with some sort of pride....I to think their ancestors wouldn’t be to proud.
Post by: idahohuntr on December 30, 2023, 07:36:56 PM
:yeah:How easy it seems, with a simple slight of hand, to divert hunters' attention away from the real issues negatively affecting our heritage, so that we turn on each other while the wolves salivate on the sidelines over their success. In the perspective of what's happening to the future of hunting across our entire state, the Hanford bulls are not even a drop in the bucket.
Well said.
Post by: time2hunt on December 30, 2023, 07:38:35 PM
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Post by: bigdub257 on December 30, 2023, 07:44:50 PM
I'm pretty sure if this hunt was for meat, like the ancestors of the current tribes focused on, those big old tuff bulls would be safe. It's pure and simply a trophy hunting opportunity that the non-tribal hunting community will never partake in. This has nothing to do with tradition or heritage. It is what it is.we will prob never know the back door deals that went down on this one.
Oh I think we know. I do believe politics play a role. Democrats/WDFW are bleeding hearts always caving to the tribes. Tribes are always willing to accept the cheese. Democrats actually do more damage to the natives and their heritage and don’t even realize it. This was an absolute waste...mismanage a population and then allow this type of activity (not calling it hunting). You’d think some of these coulda been relocated :dunno:
I don’t see anything on this subject relating to a treaty. That’s just an excuse. Looks like entitlement and greed? This goes against what natives have historically stood for. You can’t tell me when the treaty was signed there was an idea of natives driving around in trucks chasing/shooting trophy bulls with some sort of pride....I to think their ancestors wouldn’t be to proud.
I couldn't agree more. This seems more like a rub it in your face slaughter of trophy animals. Chase em down and shoot em from the truck. Ceremonial? Gimme a break.
Post by: MADMAX on December 30, 2023, 08:15:29 PM
What ?
Post by: Platensek-po on December 30, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
I'm pretty sure if this hunt was for meat, like the ancestors of the current tribes focused on, those big old tuff bulls would be safe. It's pure and simply a trophy hunting opportunity that the non-tribal hunting community will never partake in. This has nothing to do with tradition or heritage. It is what it is.we will prob never know the back door deals that went down on this one.
Oh I think we know. I do believe politics play a role. Democrats/WDFW are bleeding hearts always caving to the tribes. Tribes are always willing to accept the cheese. Democrats actually do more damage to the natives and their heritage and don’t even realize it. This was an absolute waste...mismanage a population and then allow this type of activity (not calling it hunting). You’d think some of these coulda been relocated :dunno:
I don’t see anything on this subject relating to a treaty. That’s just an excuse. Looks like entitlement and greed? This goes against what natives have historically stood for. You can’t tell me when the treaty was signed there was an idea of natives driving around in trucks chasing/shooting trophy bulls with some sort of pride....I to think their ancestors wouldn’t be to proud.
I couldn't agree more. This seems more like a rub it in your face slaughter of trophy animals. Chase em down and shoot em from the truck. Ceremonial? Gimme a break.
Sounds just like the 2a arguments. “Our forefathers could never have imagined at-15s and rpgs!” Who are you to say what somebody else’s ancestors might have thought? What a joke.
Post by: Dale Gribble on December 30, 2023, 09:05:23 PM
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That must be one of them late season quality elk tags….. what a lucky hunter, must’ve burned some serious boot rubber to get after that bruiser. Hopefully he posts the story soon.
Post by: 2MANY on December 30, 2023, 09:51:55 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2023, 10:03:40 PM
Seen this on instagram today
That’s one hell of a ceremony!
Post by: Meathunter06 on December 30, 2023, 10:13:35 PM
Post by: Special T on December 31, 2023, 12:20:27 AM
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 31, 2023, 05:14:50 AM
The state should issue special tags like Tbar said.
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Kinda what I was wondering...Why don't these guys take out our wolves for us up here in the NE corner. We can just refer to the treaty and their rights......right?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 31, 2023, 06:15:17 AM
The state should issue special tags like Tbar said.
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Kinda what I was wondering...Why don't these guys take out our wolves for us up here in the NE corner. We can just refer to the treaty and their rights......right?
The Colvilles are taking out wolves and have been for some years. Not sure about the Yaks, but maybe.
Post by: 2MANY on December 31, 2023, 07:26:42 AM
Today's usually ooze of arrogance and entitlement.
It's very clear where It's all headed.
A bull's head wacked off, on concrete, with the horse standing behind it.
Kill em all!!!
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2023, 07:57:26 AM
The state should issue special tags like Tbar said.
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Kinda what I was wondering...Why don't these guys take out our wolves for us up here in the NE corner. We can just refer to the treaty and their rights......right?
They can, they have the rights to hunt and trap wolves in 101
I heard 1 guy from the rez was doing it, I spend a lot of time in 101 and have yet to see a wolf trap line (I see bobcat lines from non-tribe) wolf hunt, heck I don’t even see a truck with tribe plates running around
The Colvilles have declared the north half (gmu 101) a “biological dead zone”
There’s still deer, elk and all manner of game but the numbers have taken a huge hit with the exception of elk who’s population has expanded since the 90’s but it’s still a very tough hunt compared to Idaho, blues or other elk areas - the OTC tags is too much to make quality elk in the NE corner combined with predator loads, a few guys take nice bulls and the rumors spread, but they get a lot of pressure and most are taken off private
I’d sure like to be an honorary colville and trap wolves in 101 :chuckle:
Post by: dilleytech on December 31, 2023, 08:51:36 AM
The state should issue special tags like Tbar said.
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Kinda what I was wondering...Why don't these guys take out our wolves for us up here in the NE corner. We can just refer to the treaty and their rights......right?
Hunting wolves is hard.
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2023, 09:04:08 AM
The state should issue special tags like Tbar said.
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Kinda what I was wondering...Why don't these guys take out our wolves for us up here in the NE corner. We can just refer to the treaty and their rights......right?
Hunting wolves is hard.
I think there’s a lack of incentive, what’s a wolf hide worth? Not enough to justify driving a lot of miles, investing in expensive traps, bait etc
This is where something like F4WM comes in, I’ve asked about a WA chapter specifically for tribe harvest of wolves which would benefit all hunters, ranchers, pet owners and anyone else potentially impacted by too many wolves. The cattleman’s assiosation would be on board and other user groups as well, F4WM has there hands full fighting legal issues in other states where they’re trying to impose anti-compensation regulation to put an end to F4WM ability to pay out. They aren’t interested in compensating a tribe wolf harvest in WA of all places where they’d be shut down immediately whereas in Idaho they have much better support in state house of reps and governors office.
Post by: GWP on December 31, 2023, 09:08:16 AM
The state should issue special tags like Tbar said.
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Kinda what I was wondering...Why don't these guys take out our wolves for us up here in the NE corner. We can just refer to the treaty and their rights......right?
Hunting wolves is hard.
Not for the Hunt Wa shooters that are hitting a coffee cup at 7000 yards shooting off hand, in high wind, standing on shale on the side of a cliff! Easy Peasy! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 31, 2023, 09:15:33 AM
The state should issue special tags like Tbar said.
For those that are frustrated at tribal rights.. when will we take advantage of tribal right to control predators across the state that we cannot seem to do?
Kinda what I was wondering...Why don't these guys take out our wolves for us up here in the NE corner. We can just refer to the treaty and their rights......right?
Hunting wolves is hard.
Not for the Hunt Wa shooters that are hitting a coffee cup at 7000 yards shooting off hand, in high wind, standing on shale on the side of a cliff! Easy Peasy! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I was thinking hunting elk can be hard too, unless your name is running elk w/ pickup. Hunting elk also hard when the wolves eat them all. :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2023, 09:27:21 AM
Then it went draw only cows as the predator loads ramped up that kept herd sizes down
Now cow hunts are all but gone, any bull otc
Next is spike only or draw only
Predator loads are replacing hunting
Post by: Taco280AI on December 31, 2023, 09:51:28 AM
Post by: hunter399 on December 31, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
I think natives where gonna hunt it , regardless if they got permission. That's the reason that they where given permission to hunt it.
How do you tell someone no,when they didn't need your permission in the first place.
Wasn't there a case of them hunting Hanford before.
Kinda like testing the water,yup water is just right.
I'm not saying it right or wrong.
Like said it's just a guess,I think they just said go ahead.
Cause it was gonna happen anyway.
It was gonna be bad PR to tell them no.
Post by: Bowhunter3 on December 31, 2023, 10:11:57 AM
I'm just taking my best guess here.
I think natives where gonna hunt it , regardless if they got permission. That's the reason that they where given permission to hunt it.
How do you tell someone no,when they didn't need your permission in the first place.
Wasn't there a case of them hunting Hanford before.
Kinda like testing the water,yup water is just right.
I'm not saying it right or wrong.
Like said it's just a guess,I think they just said go ahead.
Cause it was gonna happen anyway.
This is interesting because I have seen a lot of yaks saying it was never off limits? I don’t know the legitimacy of these numerous claims but it sounds like all the press surrounding it was only published to get everyone pissed and riled up. Just hearsay, but it sure isn’t hard to believe. Maybe whitefoot could chime in with more than an LOL and confirm or deny this?
Post by: hunter399 on December 31, 2023, 10:13:12 AM
Like said just a guess on my part.I'm just taking my best guess here.
I think natives where gonna hunt it , regardless if they got permission. That's the reason that they where given permission to hunt it.
How do you tell someone no,when they didn't need your permission in the first place.
Wasn't there a case of them hunting Hanford before.
Kinda like testing the water,yup water is just right.
I'm not saying it right or wrong.
Like said it's just a guess,I think they just said go ahead.
Cause it was gonna happen anyway.
This is interesting because I have seen a lot of yaks saying it was never off limits? I don’t know the legitimacy of these numerous claims but it sounds like all the press surrounding it was only published to get everyone pissed and riled up. Just hearsay, but it sure isn’t hard to believe. Maybe whitefoot could chime in with more than an LOL and confirm or deny this?
On top of "my guess".
It's better to have the hunting regulated by the tribal council.
Give permission,then just to have no management at all and hunting going on anyway.
It's just a thought,guess,whatever.
Post by: Tbar on December 31, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
As designed by the antisAgreed. Checkers and chess......
Post by: Bowhunter3 on December 31, 2023, 10:37:45 AM
As designed by the antisAgreed. Checkers and chess......
:yeah:
Post by: buckfvr on December 31, 2023, 11:17:42 AM
It used to be “any elk OTC” that kept the herd sizes down
Then it went draw only cows as the predator loads ramped up that kept herd sizes down
Now cow hunts are all but gone, any bull otc
Next is spike only or draw only
Predator loads are replacing hunting
They (wdfw), took away our cow hunt and gave it to the wolves. It was a lie at the time saying to improve herds for more hunting opportunity and that is still a lie today.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 31, 2023, 12:27:20 PM
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Post by: Bowhunter3 on December 31, 2023, 12:39:01 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 31, 2023, 01:39:20 PM
The colville tribe members handle their weight and more. If wdfw could be controlled by them instead of Seattle this would be a destination state. I have a few buddies out in nespelem that work hard, successfully, to control predators and do everything they can for conservation. They are a truly united people where a few bad apples don’t make a difference. Wish the same could be said all over.I agree,
Have a few friends.
Even though there seasons,bag limits, opportunity is much better than ours. They seem to respect the seasons and management set fourth by there own tribe. Making there management very good.
Post by: Buckjunkie on December 31, 2023, 02:28:49 PM
The colville tribe members handle their weight and more. If wdfw could be controlled by them instead of Seattle this would be a destination state. I have a few buddies out in nespelem that work hard, successfully, to control predators and do everything they can for conservation. They are a truly united people where a few bad apples don’t make a difference. Wish the same could be said all over.I agree,
Have a few friends.
Even though there seasons,bag limits, opportunity is much better than ours. They seem to respect the seasons and management set fourth by there own tribe. Making there management very good.
+1
Post by: meatwhack on December 31, 2023, 09:00:40 PM
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on December 31, 2023, 09:04:50 PM
I’ve recently transitioned into a self identifying Native American. I’m sure the state will be as accepting and accommodating of my transition as they have with others in this state. I’m really looking forward to my new rights in 2024.Ha, let us know how that works out :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2023, 09:08:41 PM
The colville tribe members handle their weight and more. If wdfw could be controlled by them instead of Seattle this would be a destination state. I have a few buddies out in nespelem that work hard, successfully, to control predators and do everything they can for conservation. They are a truly united people where a few bad apples don’t make a difference. Wish the same could be said all over.I agree,
Have a few friends.
Even though there seasons,bag limits, opportunity is much better than ours. They seem to respect the seasons and management set fourth by there own tribe. Making there management very good.
I wasn’t disparaging them in the least, they work hard at game management and I’d trade them for WDFW in an instant, could you imagine?
The Colvilles formed my opinion on tribes, so it took me a while to wrap my head around that not all tribes are like the Colvilles. Sure they got some turds as do all different peoples, but they do work hard on game and fish
Post by: time2hunt on December 31, 2023, 09:10:08 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on December 31, 2023, 09:28:29 PM
I’ve recently transitioned into a self identifying Native American. I’m sure the state will be as accepting and accommodating of my transition as they have with others in this state. I’m really looking forward to my new rights in 2024.Ha, let us know how that works out :chuckle:
Worked for Elizabeth Warren, why not him? :dunno:
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on December 31, 2023, 09:45:26 PM
Well you got me there. :chuckle:I’ve recently transitioned into a self identifying Native American. I’m sure the state will be as accepting and accommodating of my transition as they have with others in this state. I’m really looking forward to my new rights in 2024.Ha, let us know how that works out :chuckle:
Worked for Elizabeth Warren, why not him? :dunno:
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2023, 09:45:32 PM
I’ve recently transitioned into a self identifying Native American. I’m sure the state will be as accepting and accommodating of my transition as they have with others in this state. I’m really looking forward to my new rights in 2024.Ha, let us know how that works out :chuckle:
Worked for Elizabeth Warren, why not him? :dunno:
It didn’t work for Rachel Dolezol or Kamala Harris, so you can’t be black
And Warren is now disgraced, so I don’t think you can be Indian either now, but she did a long ways!
But you could be white if you shoot a black guy, just ask the “white hispanic” Zimmerman
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 31, 2023, 11:41:18 PM
I’ve recently transitioned into a self identifying Native American. I’m sure the state will be as accepting and accommodating of my transition as they have with others in this state. I’m really looking forward to my new rights in 2024.
It’s not about being a Native American. You have to be a member of a recognized tribe with treaty rights.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 01, 2024, 12:21:59 AM
I can get you a tribal plate if needed
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I'll take a few... :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2024, 03:25:45 PM
Post by: BA Mongor on January 01, 2024, 05:48:37 PM
What a crock. Between the trantesticals and other BS groups wanting special privilege's, so many think their owed something or can do what they want. Last time I checked, this was the United States of America!
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2024, 07:09:24 PM
Yakamas Facebook page has some fresh elk jerky for sale if anyone is interested.
Is it “ceremonial” flavored jerky?
Post by: bigdub257 on January 01, 2024, 07:50:28 PM
Post by: 2MANY on January 01, 2024, 10:19:48 PM
This stuff will never end. For goodness sake, if there were big bulls in downtown Olympia on Main Street, certain individual groups would call it there ceremonial right to hunt that area and shoot them on the sidewalk!
What a crock. Between the trantesticals and other BS groups wanting special privilege's, so many think their owed something or can do what they want. Last time I checked, this was the United States of America!
Olympia doesn't have a Main Street?
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:02:45 AM
SMH!I'm pretty sure if this hunt was for meat, like the ancestors of the current tribes focused on, those big old tuff bulls would be safe. It's pure and simply a trophy hunting opportunity that the non-tribal hunting community will never partake in. This has nothing to do with tradition or heritage. It is what it is.we will prob never know the back door deals that went down on this one.
Oh I think we know. I do believe politics play a role. Democrats/WDFW are bleeding hearts always caving to the tribes. Tribes are always willing to accept the cheese. Democrats actually do more damage to the natives and their heritage and don’t even realize it. This was an absolute waste...mismanage a population and then allow this type of activity (not calling it hunting). You’d think some of these coulda been relocated :dunno:
I don’t see anything on this subject relating to a treaty. That’s just an excuse. Looks like entitlement and greed? This goes against what natives have historically stood for. You can’t tell me when the treaty was signed there was an idea of natives driving around in trucks chasing/shooting trophy bulls with some sort of pride....I to think their ancestors wouldn’t be to proud.
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:03:18 AM
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Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:04:37 AM
Hunting morals have been in a downward spiral for many, many years.Where does he say kill them all?
Today's usually ooze of arrogance and entitlement.
It's very clear where It's all headed.
A bull's head wacked off, on concrete, with the horse standing behind it.
Kill em all!!!
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:06:16 AM
I'm just taking my best guess here.
I think natives where gonna hunt it , regardless if they got permission. That's the reason that they where given permission to hunt it.
How do you tell someone no,when they didn't need your permission in the first place.
Wasn't there a case of them hunting Hanford before.
Kinda like testing the water,yup water is just right.
I'm not saying it right or wrong.
Like said it's just a guess,I think they just said go ahead.
Cause it was gonna happen anyway.
This is interesting because I have seen a lot of yaks saying it was never off limits? I don’t know the legitimacy of these numerous claims but it sounds like all the press surrounding it was only published to get everyone pissed and riled up. Just hearsay, but it sure isn’t hard to believe. Maybe whitefoot could chime in with more than an LOL and confirm or deny this?
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It was never off limits it's part of the ceded land. They just put permits on the reserve part.
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:07:45 AM
Yakamas Facebook page has some fresh elk jerky for sale if anyone is interested.From the only one stalker of that page who follow it more then this page! lol
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:09:00 AM
I can get you a tribal plate if neededGood for you!
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Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:09:38 AM
No that's just jerky he's making.Yakamas Facebook page has some fresh elk jerky for sale if anyone is interested.
Is it “ceremonial” flavored jerky?
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:15:59 AM
Yup, let us know!I’ve recently transitioned into a self identifying Native American. I’m sure the state will be as accepting and accommodating of my transition as they have with others in this state. I’m really looking forward to my new rights in 2024.Ha, let us know how that works out :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 02, 2024, 09:21:16 AM
ahh, back to give us more wisdom, thanks Aaron. Also, I actually like that yakama page, certain things I find really interesting, like powwows, like watching those.Yakamas Facebook page has some fresh elk jerky for sale if anyone is interested.From the only one stalker of that page who follow it more then this page! lol
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:23:42 AM
For Jerrry!ahh, back to give us more wisdom, thanks Aaron. Also, I actually like that yakama page, certain things I find really interesting, like powwows, like watching those.Yakamas Facebook page has some fresh elk jerky for sale if anyone is interested.From the only one stalker of that page who follow it more then this page! lol
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 02, 2024, 09:45:25 AM
Meet management objectives?
Any word on ratio of bulls to cows harvested/ and ratio of mature bulls based on overall herd numbers.
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:48:55 AM
So how'd the hunt go.Went as planned and cow season ended two days ago and they most likely wont release any numbers.
Meet management objectives?
Any word on ratio of bulls to cows harvested/ and ratio of mature bulls based on overall herd numbers.
Post by: The scout on January 02, 2024, 09:52:07 AM
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on January 02, 2024, 09:56:26 AM
Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:56:48 AM
Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?I'm pretty sure everyone realized how far along they are and avoided cows. But to answer your question it would still count as one.
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 09:57:45 AM
I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on January 02, 2024, 10:03:36 AM
I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Does the Yakima Tribe keep track of harvest off of Hanford? I assume you have some bad apples that overharvest like we do in Poachers.... If they get caught, is there any repercussion?
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 02, 2024, 10:04:06 AM
So how'd the hunt go.Went as planned and cow season ended two days ago and they most likely wont release any numbers.
Meet management objectives?
Any word on ratio of bulls to cows harvested/ and ratio of mature bulls based on overall herd numbers.
Not that you guys are required to but it would seem good for all parties if there was more transparency with tribal hunts and harvest stats with some semi detailed management goals...Since all the pics on forums and ones that I see from local guys are trophy class bulls. I know there's absolutely nothing I can do about treaty rights but it would be good to know you guys take just as many eater bulls as mid 300 class bulls. Especially on these ceremonial hunts ..I sense that's where allot of frustration derives from the non native crowd. :twocents:
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 10:07:02 AM
It's permit only and hanford and the tribe are monitoring it.I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Does the Yakima Tribe keep track of harvest off of Hanford? I assume you have some bad apples that overharvest like we do in Poachers.... If they get caught, is there any repercussion?
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 10:10:08 AM
Handford is monitoring the numbers because they want the population reduced and has strict rules in place. Can't just go driving anywhere. I'm not sure how trophy bull is defined but I'm thinking whatever is easier to pack out. I think non natives just want a shot at it too! Understandable.So how'd the hunt go.Went as planned and cow season ended two days ago and they most likely wont release any numbers.
Meet management objectives?
Any word on ratio of bulls to cows harvested/ and ratio of mature bulls based on overall herd numbers.
Not that you guys are required to but it would seem good for all parties if there was more transparency with tribal hunts and harvest stats with some semi detailed management goals...Since all the pics on forums and ones that I see from local guys are trophy class bulls. I know there's absolutely nothing I can do about treaty rights but it would be good to know you guys take just as many eater bulls as mid 300 class bulls. Especially on these ceremonial hunts ..I sense that's where allot of frustration derives from the non native crowd. :twocents:
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on January 02, 2024, 10:14:26 AM
It's permit only and hanford and the tribe are monitoring it.I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Does the Yakima Tribe keep track of harvest off of Hanford? I assume you have some bad apples that overharvest like we do in Poachers.... If they get caught, is there any repercussion?
Is the tribe worried about predators at all? Are they free to hunt wolves/cougars/etc.? With the commission that we have, it sure looks like this will be the demise of hunting for all in Washington.
Seems like there would be some more push back from the Natives on this front. Maybe there is and i just don't see it.
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 10:19:24 AM
Bears not so much because of cultural reasons. Coyotes are targeted as opportunity along with cougars. Wolves i'm not sure yet because the tribe hasn't openly said anything to what our rules are for them. So, I'm not sure how to answer that publicly. There is push back but it's just not out there in public more just in common discussions.It's permit only and hanford and the tribe are monitoring it.I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Does the Yakima Tribe keep track of harvest off of Hanford? I assume you have some bad apples that overharvest like we do in Poachers.... If they get caught, is there any repercussion?
Is the tribe worried about predators at all? Are they free to hunt wolves/cougars/etc.? With the commission that we have, it sure looks like this will be the demise of hunting for all in Washington.
Seems like there would be some more push back from the Natives on this front. Maybe there is and i just don't see it.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 02, 2024, 12:30:29 PM
Poaching probably isn't in the yakama vocabulary, unless you mean killing deer or using road kill to bait and kill bald eagles? The yakamas have NO limits on deer and elk, hunting at night also isn't a big deal to them. Not slinging mud here, just facts that most already know.I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Does the Yakima Tribe keep track of harvest off of Hanford? I assume you have some bad apples that overharvest like we do in Poachers.... If they get caught, is there any repercussion?
Post by: 2MANY on January 02, 2024, 12:44:07 PM
Hunting morals have been in a downward spiral for many, many years.Where does he say kill them all?
Today's usually ooze of arrogance and entitlement.
It's very clear where It's all headed.
A bull's head wacked off, on concrete, with the horse standing behind it.
Kill em all!!!
I said kill them all.
It's just a matter of time before elk are only seen in the zoo.
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 12:55:34 PM
Jerry has no insight just what he watches on my page. He gives false information out a lot of the time. He seems to just say random things to get people all upset. He says facts but in reality even when the facts are given to him he adds places or names making it incorrect. Poaching is something that is illegal and against the law. You can't say poaching if it isn't against the law and just throw out statements with no proof. He taunts people just to get reactions. You do sling mud Jerry every chance you get in a negative way. But it's your right but to me this is what I always see you doing. Statements that aren't factually and you convince yourself that everything you say is right.Poaching probably isn't in the yakama vocabulary, unless you mean killing deer or using road kill to bait and kill bald eagles? The yakamas have NO limits on deer and elk, hunting at night also isn't a big deal to them. Not slinging mud here, just facts that most already know.I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Does the Yakima Tribe keep track of harvest off of Hanford? I assume you have some bad apples that overharvest like we do in Poachers.... If they get caught, is there any repercussion?
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 12:56:51 PM
Ok, whatever makes you feel better!Hunting morals have been in a downward spiral for many, many years.Where does he say kill them all?
Today's usually ooze of arrogance and entitlement.
It's very clear where It's all headed.
A bull's head wacked off, on concrete, with the horse standing behind it.
Kill em all!!!
I said kill them all.
It's just a matter of time before elk are only seen in the zoo.
Post by: 2MANY on January 02, 2024, 12:58:05 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 02, 2024, 12:59:22 PM
what did I say that’s a lie? After you reply what my lie was, let’s PM so we don’t derail this even more.Jerry has no insight just what he watches on my page. He gives false information out a lot of the time. He seems to just say random things to get people all upset. He says facts but in reality even when the facts are given to him he adds places or names making it incorrect. Poaching is something that is illegal and against the law. You can't say poaching if it isn't against the law and just throw out statements with no proof. He taunts people just to get reactions. You do sling mud Jerry every chance you get in a negative ways. But it's your right but to me this is what I always see you doing. Statements that aren't factually and you convince yourself that everything you say is right.Poaching probably isn't in the yakama vocabulary, unless you mean killing deer or using road kill to bait and kill bald eagles? The yakamas have NO limits on deer and elk, hunting at night also isn't a big deal to them. Not slinging mud here, just facts that most already know.I'm pretty sure that Hanford/Yakama tribe are keeping track because they have certain number they want reduced.Do they count each cow killed as 2 since there pregnant?
Really? Do they count any kills after rut as two for everyone else?
It would be nice to know the #'s so they could manage it properly, right?
Does the Yakima Tribe keep track of harvest off of Hanford? I assume you have some bad apples that overharvest like we do in Poachers.... If they get caught, is there any repercussion?
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 01:00:56 PM
Thanks for caring.You bet!
Post by: MeepDog on January 02, 2024, 02:09:54 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on January 02, 2024, 02:33:27 PM
Hey Whitefoot, what are the spiritual beliefs the Yakamas have about bears? I know many tribes have wildly different views on bears, with some eating tons of bears and others saying if you even dream about a bear it will kill you.For me I have no problem shooting them because they have become overly abundant on our closed area. The bear (represents) or can mean good medicine, courage, and strength. It can be a sign of good medicine, healing, or protection. A lot of natives see the Wolf as the same so it's always touchy subject for Yakama's. But my opinion we should hunt them just like Colvilles.
Post by: blackdog on January 02, 2024, 02:40:16 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 02, 2024, 03:28:57 PM
Thanks for the response I was wondering about wolves when you mentioned the spirituality around bears.Hey Whitefoot, what are the spiritual beliefs the Yakamas have about bears? I know many tribes have wildly different views on bears, with some eating tons of bears and others saying if you even dream about a bear it will kill you.For me I have no problem shooting them because they have become overly abundant on our closed area. The bear (represents) or can mean good medicine, courage, and strength. It can be a sign of good medicine, healing, or protection. A lot of natives see the Wolf as the same so it's always touchy subject for Yakama's. But my opinion we should hunt them just like Colvilles.
It’s obviously complicated.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 02, 2024, 03:37:30 PM
Thank you Yakama Nation for your leadership in opening this area to hunting.:yeah:
I really do think this is a great opening for non natives to be able to hunt this area. At the very least it will get the herd to a level that doesn’t impact the surrounding properties. Hopefully it relieves pressure from areas that non natives can hunt now giving more opportunities in those shared areas for non native consumption.
With increasing human population encroaching on vital habitat every day the carrying capacity of most areas is decreasing which in turn lowers the ungulate population. Hanford should be an area that is huntable by natives and hopefully in the future by non natives for a very long time.
Post by: huntnphool on January 02, 2024, 10:11:30 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 03, 2024, 05:51:14 AM
Thank you Yakama Nation for your leadership in opening this area to hunting.:yeah:
I really do think this is a great opening for non natives to be able to hunt this area. At the very least it will get the herd to a level that doesn’t impact the surrounding properties. Hopefully it relieves pressure from areas that non natives can hunt now giving more opportunities in those shared areas for non native consumption.
With increasing human population encroaching on vital habitat every day the carrying capacity of most areas is decreasing which in turn lowers the ungulate population. Hanford should be an area that is huntable by natives and hopefully in the future by non natives for a very long time.
Seen this mentioned a couple times now. From what I am interpreting from Whitefoot, Hanford is only open by permit, so average Joe its not open season.
Post by: nwwanderer on January 03, 2024, 08:21:05 AM
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Post by: Dan-o on January 03, 2024, 10:01:24 PM
I also really appreciate you taking the time to answer as many of the posted questions as you could. Thanks.
Post by: dreamingbig on January 03, 2024, 10:33:58 PM
Just thought I would share some incite. With the Yakama being able to hunt this is going to open the door for the state to do a special permit in the near future. So I know there is a lot of of hate for the natives one this one but just sharing what I know. By the Yakama doing this it going to open up a new special bull hunt for state hunters. So please don’t be to mad. It’s good for both partiesFor 1 or 2 permits? Pass.
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Post by: dvolmer on January 03, 2024, 10:42:59 PM
Amen to that!!!Just thought I would share some incite. With the Yakama being able to hunt this is going to open the door for the state to do a special permit in the near future. So I know there is a lot of of hate for the natives one this one but just sharing what I know. By the Yakama doing this it going to open up a new special bull hunt for state hunters. So please don’t be to mad. It’s good for both partiesFor 1 or 2 permits? Pass.
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Post by: Rainier10 on January 04, 2024, 08:27:46 AM
Just thought I would share some incite. With the Yakama being able to hunt this is going to open the door for the state to do a special permit in the near future. So I know there is a lot of of hate for the natives one this one but just sharing what I know. By the Yakama doing this it going to open up a new special bull hunt for state hunters. So please don’t be to mad. It’s good for both partiesThanks for chiming in, I hope you guys are right. They really should open it to cow permits as well if the herd is twice the size of carrying capacity for the area. I’m sure reducing herd size would reduce the conflicts with adjacent landowners.
Post by: haus on January 15, 2024, 07:13:06 AM
I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Post by: Special T on January 15, 2024, 10:33:34 AM
I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
Post by: hunter399 on January 15, 2024, 10:44:46 AM
+1I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Hunters are not always law abiding.
I agree .
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 15, 2024, 11:42:25 AM
I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
Post by: Berin Denson on January 15, 2024, 04:56:55 PM
If it were only that easy, especially for those men and women in uniform.I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
Post by: Dan-o on January 15, 2024, 05:52:15 PM
I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
That would only leave us with bad cops.
There has to be a better way.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 15, 2024, 05:56:59 PM
would a cop protecting his citizens be a bad cop if he betrayed stupid left wing laws?I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
That would only leave us with bad cops.
There has to be a better way.
Post by: Dan-o on January 15, 2024, 06:15:01 PM
would a cop protecting his citizens be a bad cop if he betrayed stupid left wing laws?I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
That would only leave us with bad cops.
There has to be a better way.
Great question.
I suspect that I ABSOLUTELY HATE some of the stupid/destructive left wing laws every bit as much as you do.
But it's a very dangerous and slippery slope to let folks start deciding which laws they should enforce.
Just as an example that I suspect you and I agree on:
I believe president Biden should be Impeached, found guilty and removed from office for dereliction of duty, because he's not enforcing our current immigration laws. He obviously doesn't like those laws, so he's not enforcing them. But IMO, he has no right to not enforce them.
We're all good with stupid laws not being enforced, but our definitions of stupid vary wildly.
I think the only good way out is to make - and enforce - good laws.
But think about the alternative: If every good cop quit when faced with this, we'd have only bad cops. Thank God we still have a lot of good cops. Not enough, but still a lot.
Post by: big wood on January 15, 2024, 07:11:44 PM
Post by: Dan-o on January 15, 2024, 07:23:42 PM
I read the medicine creek treaty and it mentions fishing not hunting
Hunting rights are included in Article 3 (the same Article that mentions fishing rights).
Post by: 2MANY on January 15, 2024, 08:49:59 PM
Good stuff.
Valentine's Day is coming.
Post by: dilleytech on January 17, 2024, 11:25:26 AM
would a cop protecting his citizens be a bad cop if he betrayed stupid left wing laws?I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
That would only leave us with bad cops.
There has to be a better way.
Great question.
I suspect that I ABSOLUTELY HATE some of the stupid/destructive left wing laws every bit as much as you do.
But it's a very dangerous and slippery slope to let folks start deciding which laws they should enforce.
Just as an example that I suspect you and I agree on:
I believe president Biden should be Impeached, found guilty and removed from office for dereliction of duty, because he's not enforcing our current immigration laws. He obviously doesn't like those laws, so he's not enforcing them. But IMO, he has no right to not enforce them.
We're all good with stupid laws not being enforced, but our definitions of stupid vary wildly.
I think the only good way out is to make - and enforce - good laws.
But think about the alternative: If every good cop quit when faced with this, we'd have only bad cops. Thank God we still have a lot of good cops. Not enough, but still a lot.
Cops take an oath to uphold the constitution. Any laws that violates the constitution should not be enforced by law enforcement. And if the unconstitutional law is enforced that police office should be jailed or fired because they are doing there job.
Post by: time2hunt on January 17, 2024, 12:42:00 PM
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Post by: 2MANY on January 17, 2024, 12:59:53 PM
Post by: Bowhunter3 on January 17, 2024, 01:10:14 PM
Radiation.
:chuckle:
Post by: time2hunt on January 17, 2024, 01:42:35 PM
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Post by: haus on January 17, 2024, 06:35:55 PM
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
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Okay? I’m not sure what that has to do with KFHunters blanket statement, you sound really well informed
Post by: Special T on January 18, 2024, 04:23:16 PM
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.I agree with KFs statement.
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Okay? I’m not sure what that has to do with KFHunters blanket statement, you sound really well informed
I'm mostly concerned with the unequal enforcement of the law. Dan O and Trophy stated 2 other points that I find concerning. If the good ones leave we are hosed. If they do not equally enforce we are as well. I don't find that extra scrutiny on the generally law abiding solves the problem of the repetitively unlawful. I would think that more law enforcement unions would be making noise about this. When generally law abiding tax payers no longer see cops as a force for good we all loose. I don't see how keeping heads down to retirement helps thier fellow Leo's...or the citizenry.
Post by: bigtex on February 11, 2024, 08:01:49 PM
would a cop protecting his citizens be a bad cop if he betrayed stupid left wing laws?I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
That would only leave us with bad cops.
There has to be a better way.
Great question.
I suspect that I ABSOLUTELY HATE some of the stupid/destructive left wing laws every bit as much as you do.
But it's a very dangerous and slippery slope to let folks start deciding which laws they should enforce.
Just as an example that I suspect you and I agree on:
I believe president Biden should be Impeached, found guilty and removed from office for dereliction of duty, because he's not enforcing our current immigration laws. He obviously doesn't like those laws, so he's not enforcing them. But IMO, he has no right to not enforce them.
We're all good with stupid laws not being enforced, but our definitions of stupid vary wildly.
I think the only good way out is to make - and enforce - good laws.
But think about the alternative: If every good cop quit when faced with this, we'd have only bad cops. Thank God we still have a lot of good cops. Not enough, but still a lot.
Cops take an oath to uphold the constitution. Any laws that violates the constitution should not be enforced by law enforcement. And if the unconstitutional law is enforced that police office should be jailed or fired because they are doing there job.
So a couple years ago WAs long standing felony drug possession law was ruled unconstitutional, it had been in effect for decades.
So should the thousands of LEOs who enforced that law be arrested? I'm guessing not and it's only laws you personally view as unconstitutional that LEOs should not enforce.
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Post by: Humptulips on February 11, 2024, 08:24:25 PM
I don't think anyone would suggest LEOs be arrested retroactive to current judicial rulings.would a cop protecting his citizens be a bad cop if he betrayed stupid left wing laws?I wish this were entirely true, but it just isn’t unfortunately.
Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops.
Cops just enforce the rules, however they are the enforcers for the state. Cops have a rough job with bad leadership so when they say I'm just doing my job I can understand but they also choose a job that put them in the bad situation.
When your job requires you to go against your moral convictions....time to find a new one. :dunno:
That would only leave us with bad cops.
There has to be a better way.
Great question.
I suspect that I ABSOLUTELY HATE some of the stupid/destructive left wing laws every bit as much as you do.
But it's a very dangerous and slippery slope to let folks start deciding which laws they should enforce.
Just as an example that I suspect you and I agree on:
I believe president Biden should be Impeached, found guilty and removed from office for dereliction of duty, because he's not enforcing our current immigration laws. He obviously doesn't like those laws, so he's not enforcing them. But IMO, he has no right to not enforce them.
We're all good with stupid laws not being enforced, but our definitions of stupid vary wildly.
I think the only good way out is to make - and enforce - good laws.
But think about the alternative: If every good cop quit when faced with this, we'd have only bad cops. Thank God we still have a lot of good cops. Not enough, but still a lot.
Cops take an oath to uphold the constitution. Any laws that violates the constitution should not be enforced by law enforcement. And if the unconstitutional law is enforced that police office should be jailed or fired because they are doing there job.
So a couple years ago WAs long standing felony drug possession law was ruled unconstitutional, it had been in effect for decades.
So should the thousands of LEOs who enforced that law be arrested? I'm guessing not and it's only laws you personally view as unconstitutional that LEOs should not enforce.
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Post by: fishngamereaper on February 23, 2024, 05:45:56 AM
Looks like possibly 4 quality bull tags and 20 cow tags split between weapons. I'm pleased the State followed through in such a timely manner. I didn't expect opportunity in that area this year.