Post by: bigtex on January 09, 2024, 06:47:14 PM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=8208&Year=2023&Initiative=False
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Thank you
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Post by: Tbar on January 10, 2024, 08:49:21 AM
Does the sentence with the legislature and executive branch completely empower Inslee (Fergeson) and Musgrave? Inslees wolf letter would go from a recommendation to a policy, correct?
Post by: hunter399 on January 10, 2024, 09:45:26 AM
Everyone should be supportive of this bill.
There is no excuse for not supporting it.
This needs to be shared everywhere,with fishing groups as well.
We are strong when you include fishing.
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Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2024, 10:33:55 AM
@bigtexNot quite sure I understand what you're asking.
Does the sentence with the legislature and executive branch completely empower Inslee (Fergeson) and Musgrave? Inslees wolf letter would go from a recommendation to a policy, correct?
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Post by: 30.06 on January 10, 2024, 11:45:41 AM
Commented with simple two sentence request to preserve out inherited rights to hunt and fish in our usual and accustomed places.
Healthy recreation with a chance to bring home organic food while managing fish and wildlife populations.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 10, 2024, 12:07:32 PM
Post by: KNOPHISH on January 10, 2024, 12:38:14 PM
@bigtexNot quite sure I understand what you're asking.
Does the sentence with the legislature and executive branch completely empower Inslee (Fergeson) and Musgrave? Inslees wolf letter would go from a recommendation to a policy, correct?
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This line here may be cause for concern. I think this is what he means. What is their meaning of reasonable and why not follow the science from bios, not feelings of legislatures.
subject only to reasonable regulation
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as prescribed by the Washington state legislature and executive
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branch.
Post by: Tbar on January 10, 2024, 12:53:46 PM
"subject only to reasonable regulation as prescribed by the Washington state legislature and executive branch."@bigtexNot quite sure I understand what you're asking.
Does the sentence with the legislature and executive branch completely empower Inslee (Fergeson) and Musgrave? Inslees wolf letter would go from a recommendation to a policy, correct?
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Post by: pianoman9701 on January 10, 2024, 02:36:30 PM
Don’t hold your breath. The D’s control Olympia and the progressive left hates hunters.
What he meant to say is that we need all the support on this we can get. So, contact those reps today! :tup:
Post by: GOcougsHunter on January 10, 2024, 02:49:25 PM
Don’t hold your breath. The D’s control Olympia and the progressive left hates hunters.
What he meant to say is that we need all the support on this we can get. So, contact those reps today! :tup:
Lots of D's hunt and fish. The vast majority of those who don't are agnostic to hunting and fishing and can be convinced easily that this referendum is necessary. It will only get harder to pass something like this in the future. Time is now. We owe it to the next generation to set this up. Other "liberal" states have done this already. https://www.nssf.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/State-Right-Hunt-Fish.pdf
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2024, 02:58:44 PM
No changes from current practice. The WDFW Commission is an extension of the executive branch. And the legislature ready has authority over hunting/fishing."subject only to reasonable regulation as prescribed by the Washington state legislature and executive branch."@bigtexNot quite sure I understand what you're asking.
Does the sentence with the legislature and executive branch completely empower Inslee (Fergeson) and Musgrave? Inslees wolf letter would go from a recommendation to a policy, correct?
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Post by: Mtnwalker on January 10, 2024, 03:10:09 PM
Don’t hold your breath. The D’s control Olympia and the progressive left hates hunters.
What he meant to say is that we need all the support on this we can get. So, contact those reps today! :tup:
Lots of D's hunt and fish. The vast majority of those who don't are agnostic to hunting and fishing and can be convinced easily that this referendum is necessary. It will only get harder to pass something like this in the future. Time is now. We owe it to the next generation to set this up.
:yeah: Not all D's are anti-hunting, but nearly all staunch anti-hunters are D's
Post by: GOcougsHunter on January 10, 2024, 03:20:24 PM
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Lots of D's hunt and fish. The vast majority of those who don't are agnostic to hunting and fishing and can be convinced easily that this referendum is necessary. It will only get harder to pass something like this in the future. Time is now. We owe it to the next generation to set this up.
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:yeah: Not all D's are anti-hunting, but nearly all staunch anti-hunters are D's
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2/3 legislative majority to vote it in as a ballot initiative. That is why it needs to be supported now and through this session. When it goes to the ballot, only needs 51% voter approval to pass. let's get in front of this.
Post by: Buckjunkie on January 10, 2024, 03:20:35 PM
Don’t hold your breath. The D’s control Olympia and the progressive left hates hunters.
What he meant to say is that we need all the support on this we can get. So, contact those reps today! :tup:
Yep!! Thanks for the correction
Post by: harveymarv on January 10, 2024, 03:43:07 PM
Post by: elksnout on January 10, 2024, 04:56:56 PM
elksnout
Post by: TriggerMike on January 10, 2024, 05:15:59 PM
Post by: Bushcraft on January 10, 2024, 06:51:21 PM
Amendments have ruined many otherwise good bills.
There will be lots of competing entities wanting to edit the language in the original document to better suit their own selfish interests...and I assure you that it is already happening.
Post by: pickardjw on January 10, 2024, 06:58:45 PM
Careful what you wish for when it comes to legislation, particularly when Democrats rule the roost in Olympia.
Amendments have ruined many otherwise good bills.
There will be lots of competing entities wanting to edit the language in the original document to better suit their own selfish interests...and I assure you that it is already happening.
That's what I was thinking reading the bill. How much is this going to be edited? I bet trapping is the first part to go unfortunately. Was it Utah that recently passed a similar bill and trapping was taken out to make it more passable? Just a few years ago.
Post by: brokentrail on January 10, 2024, 08:09:29 PM
Post by: Bushcraft on January 10, 2024, 08:33:24 PM
I've personally witnessed Inslee & Co. attempt to rope-a-dope some sportsman's organizations into doing some things just so Democrats could point to their names on a list and use (abuse?) them to garner support. Unfortunately, some got duped. I'm not saying that's happening here, but you can bet that some Democrats will point to and use all the initial "pro" letters to support legislation that might not even look anything like the final product. Be careful when and how you express support for a bill.
Post by: Slamadoo on January 10, 2024, 09:01:50 PM
I don't know the answer, just pointing out that it isn't really a "bill".
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2024, 09:04:15 PM
This isn't a normal bill per se, it's a joint resolution which is a proposed ammendment to the state constitution. I'm not sure if the normal committee process applies like it would on a normal bill.Still goes thru committee.
I don't know the answer, just pointing out that it isn't really a "bill".
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Post by: Special T on January 10, 2024, 10:01:44 PM
Do you think this will actually effect the make up of the WDFW Comission? Do you think it will change the legislative or legal checks and balances? I fear this is a feel good measure that has not been fully vetted.
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2024, 10:17:50 PM
Im not sold on how good this is. Most bills dont seem to account for the actual impact or unintended consequences it may create.I don't disagree with you. Mainly posted it because many on here have been pushing for such an amendment.
Do you think this will actually effect the make up of the WDFW Comission? Do you think it will change the legislative or legal checks and balances? I fear this is a feel good measure that has not been fully vetted.
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Post by: Mtnwalker on January 11, 2024, 08:25:41 AM
Im not sold on how good this is. Most bills dont seem to account for the actual impact or unintended consequences it may create.
Do you think this will actually effect the make up of the WDFW Comission? Do you think it will change the legislative or legal checks and balances? I fear this is a feel good measure that has not been fully vetted.
I don't think anybody is under the illusion that it will immediately fix anything or have a drastic impact. If you listen to the lobbyists who have pushed similar bills through in other states they'll tell you the same thing. It's more-so intended as just another small tool in the belt for future litigations to point to as opportunity continues to be taken from sportsmen.
Also, I think the time of sitting on our hands for fear of "maybe" making things worse has long passed in WA. We can't continue to ride a sinking ship to the bottom just because we might make the leak worse unintentionally. :twocents:
Post by: hunter399 on January 11, 2024, 09:31:21 AM
I agree :yeah:Im not sold on how good this is. Most bills dont seem to account for the actual impact or unintended consequences it may create.
Do you think this will actually effect the make up of the WDFW Comission? Do you think it will change the legislative or legal checks and balances? I fear this is a feel good measure that has not been fully vetted.
I don't think anybody is under the illusion that it will immediately fix anything or have a drastic impact. If you listen to the lobbyists who have pushed similar bills through in other states they'll tell you the same thing. It's more-so intended as just another small tool in the belt for future litigations to point to as opportunity continues to be taken from sportsmen.
Also, I think the time of sitting on our hands for fear of "maybe" making things worse has long passed in WA. We can't continue to ride a sinking ship to the bottom just because we might make the leak worse unintentionally. :twocents:
I believe it won't change anything in management.
But will insure that hunting and fishing can't be completely removed.
Post by: wags on January 12, 2024, 01:11:00 PM
I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by: SuperX on January 12, 2024, 05:04:05 PM
I think this year is a "short" session so I will be surprised to see it get much traction this year without the words homeless, fentanyl or affordable housing attached to the title.you forgot keywords climate change :chuckle:
Post by: ZaneHunts on January 18, 2024, 10:44:00 AM
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wa_right_to_hunt_fish?utm_campaign=right_to_hunt_wa&utm_medium=email&utm_source=howlforwildlife
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Post by: MADMAX on January 19, 2024, 06:27:06 PM
:tup:
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Post by: highcountry_hunter on January 21, 2024, 03:22:13 PM
The upcoming sportsmen's show in Puyallup would be a great place to rally major support for something such as this. It would be hard to find a more direct target audience anywhere else in the state. Just an idea!Yes. Bighorn show in Spokane as well.
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Post by: hunter399 on January 21, 2024, 03:58:41 PM
It's probably time for you to support something.
Cause times are a changing. I believe many other states have in wrote in to there states constitution. How can you be jealous of other states,then not support this for your own.
It's just crazy to me.
Please anyone that is on the fence,just think about it.
Then support it.
I'll add this.
https://www.nraila.org/campaigns/huntingconservation/facts-at-a-glance-right-to-hunt-and-fish/#:~:text=The%20rest%20of%20the%20RTHF,Wyoming%20have%20passed%20since%201996.
22 states recognize right to hunt /fish.
Thought Montana was on it too,but guess not.
Even California has the right to hunt.
You can't even argue how many Democrats live there.
Post by: MADMAX on January 21, 2024, 04:07:04 PM
Takes less than 5 minutes
I hope the fishing boards are promoting it as well
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 21, 2024, 06:21:39 PM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on January 25, 2024, 03:03:48 PM
Sierra Club, HSUS, Washington Wildlife First, etc all showed up for this testimony.
https://tvw.org/video/senate-agriculture-water-natural-resources-parks-2024011422/?eventID=2024011422
(starts at about 1:30:00)
Post by: Special T on January 25, 2024, 04:18:40 PM
If your skeptical,saying good luck with that,or just not supporting it.
It's probably time for you to support something.
Cause times are a changing. I believe many other states have in wrote in to there states constitution. How can you be jealous of other states,then not support this for your own.
It's just crazy to me.
Please anyone that is on the fence,just think about it.
Then support it.
I'll add this.
https://www.nraila.org/campaigns/huntingconservation/facts-at-a-glance-right-to-hunt-and-fish/#:~:text=The%20rest%20of%20the%20RTHF,Wyoming%20have%20passed%20since%201996.
22 states recognize right to hunt /fish.
Thought Montana was on it too,but guess not.
Even California has the right to hunt.
You can't even argue how many Democrats live there.
I support it. California having the right to hunt proves it's not a fix all. That makes me skeptical of it. California has problems with banning hunting cats and the right to hunt didn't prevent it. You can have a right and they can still find a way to minimize opportunity.
Post by: chukardogs on January 25, 2024, 06:16:51 PM
There's no doubt that a hunters path in Washinton state is damn near straight up the side of a mountain. There'll be places where there's no foot holds, creeks that need crossing, wash outs, mud holes, you name it. If you've been hunting this state for very many years, there should be no argument from anyone, that this states hunting absolutely sucks compared to what it was in the 60s, 70s or 80s, hell the 90s for that matter. I've watched the mountain that I deer hunt in the eastern portion of Okanogan county go from passing up quite a few deer throughout the season just so I can keep boots on the ground for the entire season and then possibly shoot a decent buck the last few days of the season to knowing, if I pass up a legal deer, the odds of not seeing another are almost as high as spending the rest of my season with a family of wolves. Nobodies arguing that enshrining the right to hunt and fish in the constitution is going to back us up 50 years. That ain't happening! It's just a step that will make it harder for the hypocrites that call themselves anti-hunters, to take away a right and a way of life from a segment of society.
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2024, 12:30:53 AM
If your skeptical,saying good luck with that,or just not supporting it.
It's probably time for you to support something.
Cause times are a changing. I believe many other states have in wrote in to there states constitution. How can you be jealous of other states,then not support this for your own.
It's just crazy to me.
Please anyone that is on the fence,just think about it.
Then support it.
I'll add this.
https://www.nraila.org/campaigns/huntingconservation/facts-at-a-glance-right-to-hunt-and-fish/#:~:text=The%20rest%20of%20the%20RTHF,Wyoming%20have%20passed%20since%201996.
22 states recognize right to hunt /fish.
Thought Montana was on it too,but guess not.
Even California has the right to hunt.
You can't even argue how many Democrats live there.
I support it. California having the right to hunt proves it's not a fix all. That makes me skeptical of it. California has problems with banning hunting cats and the right to hunt didn't prevent it. You can have a right and they can still find a way to minimize opportunity.
You have this bill confused with that other bill.
California has a wildlife commission,does that ring a bell at what's happening in Washington.
We need to be done with commission and give wildlife authority to DNR, WDFW director.
Which I also support.
Post by: buckfvr on January 26, 2024, 09:37:44 AM
Post by: SuperX on January 26, 2024, 09:43:19 AM
Post by: buckfvr on January 26, 2024, 11:10:36 AM
Absolutely, in regards to "hunting". However far and away the majority of attacks against hunting come from an adverse angle so as to NOT directly attack "hunting" per say.
Post by: Ronquillo08 on January 26, 2024, 12:22:22 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on January 29, 2024, 07:33:04 PM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/wa-fish-hunt-constitutional-amendment-bill-passes-out-of-committee/
Post by: Coughlin on January 30, 2024, 05:34:02 PM
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wa_right_to_hunt_fish?utm_campaign=rthf_update&utm_medium=email&utm_source=howlforwildlife
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Post by: hughjorgan on January 30, 2024, 06:58:12 PM
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wa_right_to_hunt_fish
2024 REGULAR SESSION
Jan 9 First reading, referred to Agriculture, Water, Natural Resources & Parks. (View Original Bill)
Jan 22 Public hearing in the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Water, Natural Resources & Parks at 1:30 PM. (Committee Materials)
Jan 29 Executive action taken in the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Water, Natural Resources & Parks at 1:30 PM. (Committee Materials)
AWNP - Majority; do pass. (Majority Report)
Minority; do not pass. (Minority Report)
Minority; without recommendation. (Minority Report)
Jan 30 Passed to Rules Committee for second reading.
Post by: TriggerMike on February 12, 2024, 03:13:06 PM
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Post by: Humptulips on February 12, 2024, 03:38:39 PM
Anyone know when the Rules committee is supposed to review/make a decision on this?It has to be passed in the Senate by tomorrow, the 13th or it is dead.
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Post by: TriggerMike on February 12, 2024, 05:00:39 PM
So if it's not already scheduled for a floor vote then it's effectively dead?Anyone know when the Rules committee is supposed to review/make a decision on this?It has to be passed in the Senate by tomorrow, the 13th or it is dead.
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Post by: Humptulips on February 13, 2024, 06:01:35 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on February 13, 2024, 06:30:50 PM
Looks like it is toast fellas. Try again next year?
What’s your source?
Post by: cryptyycc on February 15, 2024, 02:37:58 PM
Definition taken from a PDF document on https://publicsitetest.leg.wa.gov/LIC/Documents/CalendarsAgendasSchedules/Understanding_Legislative_Calendars.pdf
The X-Files Calendars
The House and Senate both produce an X-Files calendar. This is a list of bills which the
Rules Committee members agree will not be sent to the floor of the House or the
Senate for further consideration.
Seems like this bill is dead...
Post by: hughjorgan on February 15, 2024, 05:12:04 PM
SJR 8208 was passed to the rules committee, and has been ruled in the "X" Files in the senate.
Definition taken from a PDF document on https://publicsitetest.leg.wa.gov/LIC/Documents/CalendarsAgendasSchedules/Understanding_Legislative_Calendars.pdf
The X-Files Calendars
The House and Senate both produce an X-Files calendar. This is a list of bills which the
Rules Committee members agree will not be sent to the floor of the House or the
Senate for further consideration.
Seems like this bill is dead...
Thanks for the update
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Post by: Humptulips on January 15, 2025, 09:28:12 PM
No sign of Right to Hunt and Fish yet.
Post by: baldopepper on January 15, 2025, 09:48:07 PM
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