Post by: Crunchy on January 17, 2024, 04:04:49 PM
Post by: 2MANY on January 17, 2024, 04:21:06 PM
Post by: Crunchy on January 17, 2024, 04:22:57 PM
I like a 300 but why change caliber??
No real reason, probably makes the most sense haha. Just thinking of something different. I want to start ordering pieces soon, so I need to decide.
Post by: BD1 on January 17, 2024, 04:47:46 PM
Have fun with the process :tup:
Post by: jrebel on January 17, 2024, 05:22:45 PM
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Post by: Crunchy on January 17, 2024, 05:55:44 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 17, 2024, 06:06:20 PM
What bullet you guys liking for the 300wsm?
We have a couple 300wsm rifles and ours love 180 grain accubonds pushed by h4350 (hunter would work great too). This combo has killed 3 moose, multiple bear and deer. Furthest kill shot was 500 on the nose. But it would kill at 800.
Last year I loaded one of the rifles with 168 grain tipped hammer hunter. H4350 is pushing that pill at 3100 fps and is stupid accurate. That rifle took two bear and a deer this year. Great terminal performance and enough horsepower to kill to 800 yards.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 17, 2024, 06:11:28 PM
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Post by: elkaholic123 on January 17, 2024, 06:51:43 PM
Post by: Crunchy on January 17, 2024, 07:35:47 PM
If I was going 300 I would want something to shoot the heavy 215-230 grain bullets with. Just go long action 300PRC
I did some snooping around and didn't see much out there for the 215s which is problably would I like to shoot in the 300prc.
Post by: Crunchy on January 17, 2024, 07:43:30 PM
Post by: Lowedog on January 17, 2024, 08:58:48 PM
https://bisonballistics.com/calculators/bullet_comparison
If we're talking factory rifles and factory ammo the PRC has a slight advantage because of bullet options that have superior BC's. Inside of 500 yards though they are pretty much identical.
If you are doing custom rifle and reloading your own ammo then you can do anything with the Rem Mag as a PRC.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 18, 2024, 05:32:03 AM
Post by: dmoua on January 18, 2024, 08:13:41 AM
Post by: b23 on January 18, 2024, 08:26:38 AM
Since I have a 7mm Rem MAG would I really gain any performance from the 7prc? Which would be a better ballistic wise between the 7prc and 300wsm?
Since they have basically the same case capacity chambered with the same freebore and same twist to shoot the same bullet/s they're virtually ballistic twins. It's shooting factory ammo and off the shelf factory made rifles that the 7 PRC has the advantage with regard to LR shooting/hunting. In my opinion the 7 PRC has a better case design and I think the PRC definitely has the advantage with regard to quality brass.
Ballistically, since the WSM, 7 Rem mag and 7 PRC all have nearly the same case capacity how they compare to one another will come down to bullet choice. With a bullet like the 180 ELD-M in either of those 7's where you can launch them 3100fps I'm not sure the 300 WSM can compare.
I'm a fan of all three of those cartridges and I don't think any of them would be a bad choice as they are all very capable. Which one I chose to build would largely depend on what I already had and what I planned to do with it.
If you reload and you're looking for something with great ballistics and less recoil I'd throw a fast twist 25 cal in the mix. Something like a 25-6.5PRC, 25 SAUM, 25 WSM, or even 25-7PRC and shoot the 133/135 Berger or 134 ELD-M. Run the numbers through a ballistic program on a 134 ELD-M or 135 Berger leaving at 3200fps and you'll quickly see what I'm talking about.
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 18, 2024, 09:10:26 AM
Since I have a 7mm Rem MAG would I really gain any performance from the 7prc? Which would be a better ballistic wise between the 7prc and 300wsm?
Since they have basically the same case capacity chambered with the same freebore and same twist to shoot the same bullet/s they're virtually ballistic twins. It's shooting factory ammo and off the shelf factory made rifles that the 7 PRC has the advantage with regard to LR shooting/hunting. In my opinion the 7 PRC has a better case design and I think the PRC definitely has the advantage with regard to quality brass.
Ballistically, since the WSM, 7 Rem mag and 7 PRC all have nearly the same case capacity how they compare to one another will come down to bullet choice. With a bullet like the 180 ELD-M in either of those 7's where you can launch them 3100fps I'm not sure the 300 WSM can compare.
I'm a fan of all three of those cartridges and I don't think any of them would be a bad choice as they are all very capable. Which one I chose to build would largely depend on what I already had and what I planned to do with it.
If you reload and you're looking for something with great ballistics and less recoil I'd throw a fast twist 25 cal in the mix. Something like a 25-6.5PRC, 25 SAUM, 25 WSM, or even 25-7PRC and shoot the 133/135 Berger or 134 ELD-M. Run the numbers through a ballistic program on a 134 ELD-M or 135 Berger leaving at 3200fps and you'll quickly see what I'm talking about.
I'm also rebarreling a 7rem mag and I was pretty set on shooting the 180 eldm's. Since it's a tikka action I was leaning heavily towards a 7prc. I'll also be going with a shorter barrel for a can, but after talking with several guys who shoot a lot more than I do it sounds like more and more of them are opting for the smaller chamberings since they've switched to hunting suppressed and are really happy with the performance including on elk at distance. Now I'm considering something like you mentioned above, a 25prc has me really intrigued. Just not so sure about barrel life
Post by: hunter399 on January 18, 2024, 09:40:49 AM
Of course work your way up, definitely room to play a little.
I've shot a lot of rounds down mine.
300 win mag
7 mag
Both have the case capacity to load up to a decent MV.
Post by: b23 on January 18, 2024, 11:26:00 AM
Now I'm considering something like you mentioned above, a 25prc has me really intrigued. Just not so sure about barrel life
Barrel life on a 25-6.5 PRC should pretty easily be in 800-1000 rnds range maybe more and in a hunting rifle that's really long time. A lot of if has to do with how you shoot it. Get anything hot and keep banging away at it and you can roach out a throat in just about anything in no time at all but using a little common sense and you can extend the life substantially. I have a 25 SAUM build going and will be shooting the 134 ELD-M's. Barrel life will probably be a little shorter on a 25 SAUM then the 25-6.5 PRC.
If you're looking for something to go a lot longer, with regard to barrel life, a 25 Creedmoor shooting the 133/134/135's would be the easy button but "easy" is overrated and no fun. ;)
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 18, 2024, 11:40:54 AM
Now I'm considering something like you mentioned above, a 25prc has me really intrigued. Just not so sure about barrel life
Barrel life on a 25-6.5 PRC should pretty easily be in 800-1000 rnds range maybe more and in a hunting rifle that's really long time. A lot of if has to do with how you shoot it. Get anything hot and keep banging away at it and you can roach out a throat in just about anything in no time at all but using a little common sense and you can extend the life substantially. I have a 25 SAUM build going and will be shooting the 134 ELD-M's. Barrel life will probably be a little shorter on a 25 SAUM then the 25-6.5 PRC.
If you're looking for something to go a lot longer, with regard to barrel life, a 25 Creedmoor shooting the 133/134/135's would be the easy button but "easy" is overrated and no fun. ;)
Agree but little bullets start to become much less interesting at sub 3k, not to mention sub 2900 in a shorter setup. In all reality the 134 eldm and 140 eldm are so close to eachother it'd probably be wise to just go 6.5, but that just sounds horribly boring and then I'd be right back at 147's and 156's :chuckle: :chuckle:
Anyways, back to OP's questions. Sorry for the threadjack
Post by: andersonjk4 on January 18, 2024, 12:25:32 PM
I just put together a 6.5 PRC, but haven't been out to shoot it yet. That being said, I kind of wish I would have held out for a 7PRC for elk hunting.
Post by: Crunchy on January 18, 2024, 03:42:14 PM
I voted for the 7PRC, but I would say 6.5 PRC for shooting and hunting deer and 7PRC if elk or larger will be involved.
I just put together a 6.5 PRC, but haven't been out to shoot it yet. That being said, I kind of wish I would have held out for a 7PRC for elk hunting.
I need a deer, elk and bear rifle. I do mostly archery and muzzy, but putting together one rifle for everything is what makes most sense. Also not looking for a boat anchor. Hoping to get another year out of my 7mag before I get it rebarrelled.
Post by: Lowedog on January 18, 2024, 04:02:54 PM
Post by: Crunchy on January 18, 2024, 04:55:45 PM
Sorry if I missed it but what brand rifle do you currently have?
Rem 700 in 7mag benchmark barrel and brake, triggertech trigger, AG composite stock, Leupold VX6 hd scope 3-18x44
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 18, 2024, 05:02:45 PM
Sorry if I missed it but what brand rifle do you currently have?
Rem 700 in 7mag benchmark barrel and brake, triggertech trigger, AG composite stock, Leupold VX6 hd scope 3-18x44
Go 7PRC or 300PRC. You won’t be disappointed. I will rebarrel my 7rem to one of those.
Post by: Crunchy on January 18, 2024, 05:27:18 PM
Sorry if I missed it but what brand rifle do you currently have?
Rem 700 in 7mag benchmark barrel and brake, triggertech trigger, AG composite stock, Leupold VX6 hd scope 3-18x44
Go 7PRC or 300PRC. You won’t be disappointed. I will rebarrel my 7rem to one of those.
I am searching for custom actions as we speak. Need a long action magnum, repeater. Borden, Lone Peak, Defiance?? Anything else I should look at?
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 18, 2024, 06:34:08 PM
Post by: Lowedog on January 18, 2024, 07:10:38 PM
Post by: Crunchy on January 18, 2024, 08:09:56 PM
Give Allterra a look. I put together a 7PRC with their C2 action and a CarbonSix prefit and am extremely happy. Terminus actions are also top notch.
just checked out their website. very nice looking. I will see if they can produce one in under 3 months. Might be the deciding factor is getting my hands on one.
Post by: fowl smacker on January 18, 2024, 09:03:55 PM
Post by: Crunchy on January 18, 2024, 09:15:51 PM
Sounds like you have your mind made up to go custom which is cool. I got a Fierce Carbon Rage in 7mm PRC. It shoots 1/2 moa all day long with factory Hornady 175gr eld-x ammo. I've stretched it out to 1,400 yards so far. Killed my whitetail at 550 this yr. Super happy, pretty much the same components of a custom gun (minus an adjustable chassis) and no wait time. And it kicks like my kids 7mm-08. My 300wsm Tikka was miserable to shoot.
I have heard good things about them. I am not really into carbon wrapped barrels, but may try one when I look into putting together an ultra-lite
Post by: highside74 on January 18, 2024, 10:38:17 PM
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on January 19, 2024, 07:54:05 AM
I rebarreled a Sako Finnbear to 33 Nosler with a brake and it shoots like a house on fire.
You can shoot anything from a 200 to a 270 grain bullet.
My choice is the 270 ELDX at about 2850 FPS.
Deadly and accurate, although I use RL 19 and not the H 1000 which you have.
Recoil with the brake is fairly mild and you never have to worry about having enough oomph.
As a side note, I have a Tikka TX# superlight in 7MM Mag and it shoots lights out.
I have killed a few elk with it out to 450 yards using 160 Grain Speer Hot Cores.
It too is an elk killing combo.
If you have a standard length action, I would stick with a standard length cartridge, which the 33 Nosler is.
Good Luck with your project.
Rob.
Post by: jamesjett on January 19, 2024, 06:09:13 PM
I am looking to start a new build. I have a pretty good stash of H-1000, 168 grain Bergers, and large rifle, and magnum primers. Currently have a 7mm rem mag but the barrel is about done. I might do something in any of the listed calibers as long as the components I have will be of use. Bullets seem to be the more difficult thing to get my hands on. This year's deer I harvested at 535 yards but probably can't see shooting much further than 700. What say the masses?
I just finished putting together a 7 PRC. I have never liked the belted case of the 7MM RM but I have shot a RM for over 30 years. Did I need to? No lol!
It my first custom rifle but I love 7MM’s.
Post by: Crunchy on January 19, 2024, 06:13:39 PM
I am looking to start a new build. I have a pretty good stash of H-1000, 168 grain Bergers, and large rifle, and magnum primers. Currently have a 7mm rem mag but the barrel is about done. I might do something in any of the listed calibers as long as the components I have will be of use. Bullets seem to be the more difficult thing to get my hands on. This year's deer I harvested at 535 yards but probably can't see shooting much further than 700. What say the masses?
I just finished putting together a 7 PRC. I have never liked the belted case of the 7MM RM but I have shot a RM for over 30 years. Did I need to? No lol!
It my first custom rifle but I love 7MM’s.
What action and stock. Can't tell from the picture? Nice looking set up though.
Post by: Crunchy on January 19, 2024, 06:14:55 PM
If you're shooting elk at 700 yards you may want a little more punch.
I rebarreled a Sako Finnbear to 33 Nosler with a brake and it shoots like a house on fire.
You can shoot anything from a 200 to a 270 grain bullet.
My choice is the 270 ELDX at about 2850 FPS.
Deadly and accurate, although I use RL 19 and not the H 1000 which you have.
Recoil with the brake is fairly mild and you never have to worry about having enough oomph.
As a side note, I have a Tikka TX# superlight in 7MM Mag and it shoots lights out.
I have killed a few elk with it out to 450 yards using 160 Grain Speer Hot Cores.
It too is an elk killing combo.
If you have a standard length action, I would stick with a standard length cartridge, which the 33 Nosler is.
Good Luck with your project.
Rob.
I don't rifle hunt elk, but if I did and wanted to shoot out to 700 I have a 338 on standby.
Post by: jamesjett on January 19, 2024, 06:28:31 PM
I am looking to start a new build. I have a pretty good stash of H-1000, 168 grain Bergers, and large rifle, and magnum primers. Currently have a 7mm rem mag but the barrel is about done. I might do something in any of the listed calibers as long as the components I have will be of use. Bullets seem to be the more difficult thing to get my hands on. This year's deer I harvested at 535 yards but probably can't see shooting much further than 700. What say the masses?
I just finished putting together a 7 PRC. I have never liked the belted case of the 7MM RM but I have shot a RM for over 30 years. Did I need to? No lol!
It my first custom rifle but I love 7MM’s.
What action and stock. Can't tell from the picture? Nice looking set up though.
It’s a Lone Peak action. I went with a Pure Precision stock when they were on sale. I am really happy with the stock.
Post by: The Big Game Hunter on March 27, 2024, 06:01:11 AM
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/7mm-prc/
Post by: pdawg on April 06, 2024, 12:04:42 PM
Post by: jeffitz on April 06, 2024, 01:17:08 PM
Pretty sure im gonna like this gun-Except the noise of a brake LOL
But its light so its a compromise
Post by: pickardjw on April 06, 2024, 03:43:25 PM
Just bought a Fierce Carbon Rogue 7PRC and got it shooting 175 Berger Elite Hunters @ 2940fps (22in barrel) with H4831SC - nice groups averaging 1/2 inch.
Pretty sure im gonna like this gun-Except the noise of a brake LOL
But its light so its a compromise
Sounds like you got one that actually has rifling in the barrel!