Post by: run870 on February 12, 2024, 08:54:15 AM
One bear and not two in the fall, a change from when it was bumped UP in 2019
Season start date of September 1st
Sunset clause that allows them to fully scrap a hunt after review every three years, but WDFW does this anyway
Emails are below! They are banking on you being too tired from the superbowl to notice! There is no public comment period and this mtg is at 3pm today!
Washington Wildlife Commission
lorna.smith@dfw.wa.gov
barbara.baker@dfw.wa.gov
molly.linville@dfw.wa.gov
woodrow.myers@dfw.wa.gov
john.lehmkuhl@dfw.wa.gov
james.anderson@dfw.wa.gov
timothy.ragen@dfw.wa.gov
steven.parker@dfw.wa.gov
melanie.rowland@dfw.wa.gov
I would also copy your message to the governor, these are appointed roles and not voted so there's almost NO accountability. Gov Inslee is the only one they roll up to.
Be respectful above all, represent well but let them know we are listening!
Post by: high_hunter on February 12, 2024, 09:07:27 AM
Looks like I doubled up on your post. I have links included to the meeting and documents being reviewed.
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,284655.msg3873224/topicseen.html#new
Admin-Feel free to combine or remove mine as needed.
-HH
Post by: MeepDog on February 12, 2024, 09:24:15 AM
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Post by: MADMAX on February 12, 2024, 12:37:02 PM
I also sent some yard bear pictures with a few comments about
What’s it going to take to keep bear numbers in check having your wife or kids surprised in the yard or hurt
Something to consider
Flood them with emails with pictures of the “declining” bear population
Maybe it will hit home when they think about it in their backyard
Post by: duckmen1 on February 12, 2024, 12:39:22 PM
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Post by: hunter399 on February 12, 2024, 01:08:52 PM
Didn't want to puke 🤮 in my mouth and I was busy.
I'm just gonna take a wild guess and assume that everything in the anti-hunters petition went through.
I just can't even watch it.
Post by: TriggerMike on February 12, 2024, 01:13:48 PM
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Post by: GASoline71 on February 12, 2024, 01:33:00 PM
What is their reasoning for this if it's always been in August? Are they trying to pull a fast one or are they actually unaware that it's always opened in August?
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Their reasoning is... the anti-hunting commissioners don't give a rip. Just following their agenda.
Gary
Post by: hughjorgan on February 12, 2024, 01:36:14 PM
What is their reasoning for this if it's always been in August? Are they trying to pull a fast one or are they actually unaware that it's always opened in August?
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Anti hunters petitioned saying we are killing 50 percent more bears and disrupting cougars social structure(they now want cougar depredation kills to be included with the quota). Start paying attention wild life for all and Washington wildlife first don’t believe in predator hunting. They think predators will self regulate
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Post by: hughjorgan on February 12, 2024, 05:43:00 PM
All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!
It’s coming your way next, these organizations are pushing their agenda in Washington and Colorado but Idaho is going to be targeted at some point as well. Lots of Californians moving into that place.
Post by: hunter399 on February 12, 2024, 05:48:33 PM
They're not voted on yet by the whole commission so they're not a done deal yet, correct?
Correct as far as I could tell. I don't believe all commission members was even in attendance today for a vote. But it's definitely on the way.
Post by: callturner on February 12, 2024, 05:56:18 PM
Post by: Cougeyes on February 12, 2024, 06:20:52 PM
They're not voted on yet by the whole commission so they're not a done deal yet, correct?Sub committee tabled their vote til next meeting. Their vote would be to push that proposal to a vote at the full commission.
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Post by: run870 on February 12, 2024, 09:19:29 PM
They're not voted on yet by the whole commission so they're not a done deal yet, correct?Sub committee tabled their vote til next meeting. Their vote would be to push that proposal to a vote at the full commission.
Yes seems that way - here is the link to the session proposal and WDFW response to the commission. Must be frustrating having to compromise with a commission that demonstrates no interest in compromise.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2024/12feb2024-agenda-special-wildlife-committee
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2024, 09:20:43 PM
All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!
It’s coming your way next, these organizations are pushing their agenda in Washington and Colorado but Idaho is going to be targeted at some point as well. Lots of Californians moving into that place.
Idaho is a solid red state with more people moving here that vote Republican than Democrat. It will be a long time before we elect a Democrat governor who appoints anti-hunters on the game commission. :twocents:
Post by: hughjorgan on February 12, 2024, 09:35:41 PM
All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!
It’s coming your way next, these organizations are pushing their agenda in Washington and Colorado but Idaho is going to be targeted at some point as well. Lots of Californians moving into that place.
Idaho is a solid red state with more people moving here that vote Republican than Democrat. It will be a long time before we elect a Democrat governor who appoints anti-hunters on the game commission. :twocents:
I hope you’re right but if we look at the history of migration of Californians to other western states non of them survived and have all been flipped. Look at what we’re seeing happening in Colorado. Crazy times we live in.
Post by: cem3434 on February 12, 2024, 09:37:28 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 13, 2024, 07:59:28 AM
All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!
It’s coming your way next, these organizations are pushing their agenda in Washington and Colorado but Idaho is going to be targeted at some point as well. Lots of Californians moving into that place.
Idaho is a solid red state with more people moving here that vote Republican than Democrat. It will be a long time before we elect a Democrat governor who appoints anti-hunters on the game commission. :twocents:
I hope you’re right but if we look at the history of migration of Californians to other western states non of them survived and have all been flipped. Look at what we’re seeing happening in Colorado. Crazy times we live in.
You might want to check out the demographics of the greater Boise area because Idaho isn't the solid red state it use to be. Lots of people have moved there and brought their politics with them, even in the panhandle. :twocents:
I didn't say Idaho will never change, that would be a pretty unknowing statement, I said it will be a long time!
Currently Idaho is consistently considered a top 5 reddest state in the nation and according to the Idaho Statesman, Idaho is getting redder as more republicans are moving to Idaho than Democrats. In the 2020 election only three counties voted for Biden: Blaine (Sun Valley), Latah (Moscow), and Teton County (close to Jackson WY). Boise area even voted for Trump.
Like WA, in Idaho the governor also appoints game commissioners who set seasons and control F&G policy. Check out the total votes for Republican (358,598) and Democrat (120,160) for governor in the last election and notice the Independent candidate Ammon Bundy (101,835), anyone familiar with Bundy would know that he probably didn't have many liberals voting for him, most of his voters were likely extreme conservative leaning voters: https://ballotpedia.org/Governor_of_Idaho
Post by: bearpaw on February 13, 2024, 08:12:02 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 13, 2024, 08:14:20 AM
All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!Most democrats voting democrat aren’t hunters and don’t have a clue. Hunters are voting republican for the most part but it isn’t going to out bid King county and their urban recreation focus. Hunting isn’t a main stream voting issue.
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Post by: bearpaw on February 13, 2024, 08:24:58 AM
All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!Most democrats voting democrat aren’t hunters and don’t have a clue. Hunters are voting republican for the most part but it isn’t going to out bid King county and their urban recreation focus. Hunting isn’t a main stream voting issue.
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True, it will be hard to overcome voters in King county, but false there are members on this forum who claim to be hunters and gun owners who vote democrat, even my own father (a lifelong hunter) voted democrat every year no matter who the candidate was, he claimed the republicans and NRA were making up stories that the democrats wanted to take away guns and hunting.
But given recent commission appointments and gun legislation in WA it's impossible to argue that democrats do not want to take away hunting and 2nd Amendment opportunities.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 13, 2024, 08:43:42 AM
All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!Most democrats voting democrat aren’t hunters and don’t have a clue. Hunters are voting republican for the most part but it isn’t going to out bid King county and their urban recreation focus. Hunting isn’t a main stream voting issue.
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True, it will be hard to overcome voters in King county, but false there are members on this forum who claim to be hunters and gun owners who vote democrat, even my own father (a lifelong hunter) voted democrat every year no matter who the candidate was, he claimed the republicans and NRA were making up stories that the democrats wanted to take away guns and hunting.
But given recent commission appointments and gun legislation in WA it's impossible to argue that democrats do not want to take away hunting and 2nd Amendment opportunities.
This is an informative link for anyone who does not believe that. It shows the vote tally for any bill. This one for example is for 1143 last year. The vote falls nearly 100% along party lines. Basically every bill I looked up is like that.
Committee vote:https://legiscan.com/WA/rollcall/HB1143/id/1237955 (https://legiscan.com/WA/rollcall/HB1143/id/1237955)
House vote: https://legiscan.com/WA/rollcall/HB1143/id/1301830 (https://legiscan.com/WA/rollcall/HB1143/id/1301830)
Senate vote:
https://legiscan.com/WA/rollcall/HB1143/id/1296035 (https://legiscan.com/WA/rollcall/HB1143/id/1296035)
Post by: dreamingbig on February 13, 2024, 09:14:29 AM
I wasn’t implying that I don’t think elected democrats don’t want to take away guns. They do for sure.All I can say is this is what the state gets, and yet people will continue to vote Democrat. Don't think for a minute they are done messing up hunting in WA!Most democrats voting democrat aren’t hunters and don’t have a clue. Hunters are voting republican for the most part but it isn’t going to out bid King county and their urban recreation focus. Hunting isn’t a main stream voting issue.
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True, it will be hard to overcome voters in King county, but false there are members on this forum who claim to be hunters and gun owners who vote democrat, even my own father (a lifelong hunter) voted democrat every year no matter who the candidate was, he claimed the republicans and NRA were making up stories that the democrats wanted to take away guns and hunting.
But given recent commission appointments and gun legislation in WA it's impossible to argue that democrats do not want to take away hunting and 2nd Amendment opportunities.
I think most elected democrats are antihunters and very hypocritical on that view given their eating of meat. They most likely discuss the strategy to end over a steak dinner.
My view was that middle majority of democrats in WA state just don’t know and don’t care about hunting.
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Post by: MeepDog on February 13, 2024, 04:28:42 PM
Time to fire up some BLM tactics against these Commission members!!!Dont drag the bureau of land management into this.
Post by: cem3434 on February 13, 2024, 05:25:41 PM
Vote Semi Bird!!! :tup:
....if you want sideshow Bob as your next governor.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 13, 2024, 05:30:27 PM
Time to fire up some BLM tactics against these Commission members!!!Dont drag the bureau of land management into this.
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Black Lives Matter😉
Post by: callturner on February 13, 2024, 07:29:58 PM
well I've only seen about 1000 of his signs over here on the east side and I've listened to him speak I haven't heard of or seen of anybody else and he's the only conservative that I've seen so far so that's where I'm goingVote Semi Bird!!! :tup:
....if you want sideshow Bob as your next governor.
Post by: hughjorgan on February 13, 2024, 08:16:30 PM
well I've only seen about 1000 of his signs over here on the east side and I've listened to him speak I haven't heard of or seen of anybody else and he's the only conservative that I've seen so far so that's where I'm goingVote Semi Bird!!! :tup:
....if you want sideshow Bob as your next governor.
That there is the problem the election for the governor will be won and lost in King County. Dave Reichert stands the best chance of winning, he has the support to beat Ferguson.
Post by: bigtex on February 13, 2024, 08:35:35 PM
:yeah:well I've only seen about 1000 of his signs over here on the east side and I've listened to him speak I haven't heard of or seen of anybody else and he's the only conservative that I've seen so far so that's where I'm goingVote Semi Bird!!! :tup:
....if you want sideshow Bob as your next governor.
That there is the problem the election for the governor will be won and lost in King County. Dave Reichert stands the best chance of winning, he has the support to beat Ferguson.
Reichert is our only hope.
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Post by: Loup Loup on February 13, 2024, 09:59:29 PM
Again I am not an August guy, but if the resource can support the harvest, we need to make that resource available to the public. Not to rely on the government to cull, and waste, nuisance bears. From a big picture view, the mule deer could sure use some relief from growing predator pressure.
Now, when we are offered an extension on the tail end of bear season, that is a red herring. I’ve been told by a bio, that 70 % of bears are in the den by Oct 15th. From my obsevations through the years, I think this is accurate.
Main thing is folks, no matter what hoops we are forced to jump through, get out and kill some bears.
Post by: dreamingbig on February 13, 2024, 10:17:30 PM
That’s what the antis are proposing, the department suggested an August 15th opener.I don’t understand why the department didn’t stand up and say the August 1st opener should remain. Why do we have to keep compromising and losing opportunities 1 cut at a time?
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Post by: TriggerMike on February 13, 2024, 10:49:06 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on February 13, 2024, 10:51:43 PM
BigTex,:yeah:well I've only seen about 1000 of his signs over here on the east side and I've listened to him speak I haven't heard of or seen of anybody else and he's the only conservative that I've seen so far so that's where I'm goingVote Semi Bird!!! :tup:
....if you want sideshow Bob as your next governor.
That there is the problem the election for the governor will be won and lost in King County. Dave Reichert stands the best chance of winning, he has the support to beat Ferguson.
Reichert is our only hope.
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Hoping youll chime in on this with your perspective. What do you make of them saying they're reverting to the pre 2019 opener and then changing the whole state to September 1st?
Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2024, 10:59:58 PM
:yeah:well I've only seen about 1000 of his signs over here on the east side and I've listened to him speak I haven't heard of or seen of anybody else and he's the only conservative that I've seen so far so that's where I'm goingVote Semi Bird!!! :tup:
....if you want sideshow Bob as your next governor.
That there is the problem the election for the governor will be won and lost in King County. Dave Reichert stands the best chance of winning, he has the support to beat Ferguson.
Reichert is our only hope.
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When Washington elected Inslee over McKenna back in 2012, it showed me the cast was set. McKenna's loss was the biggest lost opportunity for Washington in a generation, or more. Population bias towards the existing democratic strongholds in WA has only increased since then. No reasonable, rational, actual Republican will occupy the big house in Olympia in the near future. The best that can be hoped for is perpetual control of the senate.
Post by: hughjorgan on February 13, 2024, 11:19:28 PM
:yeah:well I've only seen about 1000 of his signs over here on the east side and I've listened to him speak I haven't heard of or seen of anybody else and he's the only conservative that I've seen so far so that's where I'm goingVote Semi Bird!!! :tup:
....if you want sideshow Bob as your next governor.
That there is the problem the election for the governor will be won and lost in King County. Dave Reichert stands the best chance of winning, he has the support to beat Ferguson.
Reichert is our only hope.
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When Washington elected Inslee over McKenna back in 2012, it showed me the cast was set. McKenna's loss was the biggest lost opportunity for Washington in a generation, or more. Population bias towards the existing democratic strongholds in WA has only increased since then. No reasonable, rational, actual Republican will occupy the big house in Olympia in the near future. The best that can be hoped for is perpetual control of the senate.
Dave Reichert was polling ahead of Ferguson the last time I saw numbers. Plus King County Sheriff was an elected position in King County; he obviously won that in a blue county. He is respected and well liked in the most populous county in the state. I like his odds of taking the governors mansion. He is the best candidate we’ve had since McKenna.