Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2024, 08:31:11 AM
Just going through it real quick these are some of the changes I saw:
1. 1x scopes legal on muzzleloaders
2. Orange/pink required for bear and cougar hunting
3. Crossbows legal during muzzleloader season
4. Winston, Coweeman, Lewis River, and Siouxon GMUs changed to bull only for early archery general season.
5. Elimination of ALL antlerless elk special permits for Winston, Margaret, Toutle, Coweeman, Lewis River, Siouxon, Norway Pass, and Mudflow.
I'm sure I missed a lot. Anyone else see any other significant changes?
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2024, 08:57:43 AM
Big changes in trapping I suppose or hunting small game by having to turn in bobcat jaw.
Maybe some sea duck changes for Harlequins. Seems like more Master hunter stuff opening up maybe? I didnt have time to really scutinize it but there was quit a list to read
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2024, 09:01:15 AM
Another one I forgot to post: hunters 65 and over allowed to use crossbows during archery seasons.
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2024, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on February 22, 2024, 09:08:38 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2024, 09:14:35 AM
Post by: James on February 22, 2024, 09:19:34 AM
Not a big fan of the 1x scope/red dot on muzzy rule, I fear the seasons will be more crowded.
Post by: dreamingbig on February 22, 2024, 09:22:31 AM
The three year hunting season proposal was posted on the WDFW website yesterday, not sure if there's another post regarding this but I didn't see one.Crossbows legal during archery season for those aged 65 and older. I am opposed to that btw. I like the permit application route.
Just going through it real quick these are some of the changes I saw:
1. 1x scopes legal on muzzleloaders
2. Orange/pink required for bear and cougar hunting
3. Crossbows legal during muzzleloader season
4. Winston, Coweeman, Lewis River, and Siouxon GMUs changed to bull only for early archery general season.
5. Elimination of ALL antlerless elk special permits for Winston, Margaret, Toutle, Coweeman, Lewis River, Siouxon, Norway Pass, and Mudflow.
I'm sure I missed a lot. Anyone else see any other significant changes?
The 1x scope on muzzleloader is going the wrong direction. I would vote to leave them primitive.
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Post by: dreamingbig on February 22, 2024, 11:07:43 AM
Any hope of convincing the department that success rates for archery can support more than single digit permits? Especially when cow permits remain high?
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 22, 2024, 11:22:50 AM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on February 22, 2024, 11:52:38 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 22, 2024, 11:54:41 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on February 22, 2024, 12:27:59 PM
No change to the start dates for bear...?
The commission hasn’t made any changes to bear or cougar. They are waiting to see WDFW density studies. Changes may come this year or in 2025.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 22, 2024, 12:33:14 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2024, 01:15:34 PM
Four new quality bull tags/hunts on Rattlesnake/Hanford...one of the few additional opportunities I see.Is that the area the yakamas hunted on just recently?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 01:25:43 PM
Further decline in Yakima archery permits for bulls. More than a little head scratching.That one just absolutely makes me pull my hair out. Yakima is bursting at the seams with elk. These bull permit numbers are insulting.
Any hope of convincing the department that success rates for archery can support more than single digit permits? Especially when cow permits remain high?
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Post by: duckmen1 on February 22, 2024, 02:49:40 PM
Further decline in Yakima archery permits for bulls. More than a little head scratching.That one just absolutely makes me pull my hair out. Yakima is bursting at the seams with elk. These bull permit numbers are insulting.
Any hope of convincing the department that success rates for archery can support more than single digit permits? Especially when cow permits remain high?
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This topic in how permits are being handled in concern to bull tags vs cow tags is mind blowing in regards to their proposals in keeping high cow tag permits but keeping bull tags at an absolute minimum. Not sure I understand their thoughts. But there are several topics and such I can say that on with proposed regs. Some things I agree with and other things I don't agree with at all. But I feel most of us are feeling the same overall.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 22, 2024, 03:37:41 PM
I believe it is...but I'm not certain. I think some folks suggested the Yakama's hunting it was going to create state hunter opportunity. Win-Win?Four new quality bull tags/hunts on Rattlesnake/Hanford...one of the few additional opportunities I see.Is that the area the yakamas hunted on just recently?
Post by: Humptulips on February 22, 2024, 08:03:10 PM
I was thinking damn, one of the nice trophy aspects of getting a cat is its skull mountI have been trying to get them to just take an incisor but no go. They want a canine because it is more accurate for aging. I would urge people to comment for incisor submission as an alternative.
I'll just paste this from a research article in the Wildlife Society Bulletin,
" For age estimation via CAA, although the canine remains the preferred tooth type in most carnivores, the value
of using the incisor for age estimation should not be discounted. In fact, the incisor may be more desirable for
collection in research projects involving live capture and release to reduce discomfort and potential post‐release
effects (e.g., canine removal affecting ability to capture prey) to the study animals. Although lower precision
associated with age estimation should be expected from incisors, the resultant estimates may be useful to establish a
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relative age index, or to group individuals into age classes. Managers may determine that identification of age class is
sufficient for making informed decisions based on results of SPR or other population modeling approaches. Quantifying
errors associated with sex identification and age estimation, in addition to identifying specific management goals, can
assist managers in fully utilizing harvest data that are available"
Post by: HntnFsh on February 23, 2024, 07:56:51 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 23, 2024, 08:11:41 AM
Further decline in Yakima archery permits for bulls. More than a little head scratching.That one just absolutely makes me pull my hair out. Yakima is bursting at the seams with elk. These bull permit numbers are insulting.
Any hope of convincing the department that success rates for archery can support more than single digit permits? Especially when cow permits remain high?
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:yeah:
The bull to cow ratio the last few years is mine blowing.
Post by: TeacherMan on February 23, 2024, 08:18:55 AM
I was thinking damn, one of the nice trophy aspects of getting a cat is its skull mountI have been trying to get them to just take an incisor but no go. They want a canine because it is more accurate for aging. I would urge people to comment for incisor submission as an alternative.
I'll just paste this from a research article in the Wildlife Society Bulletin,
" For age estimation via CAA, although the canine remains the preferred tooth type in most carnivores, the value
of using the incisor for age estimation should not be discounted. In fact, the incisor may be more desirable for
collection in research projects involving live capture and release to reduce discomfort and potential post‐release
effects (e.g., canine removal affecting ability to capture prey) to the study animals. Although lower precision
associated with age estimation should be expected from incisors, the resultant estimates may be useful to establish a
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HILLER ET AL.
relative age index, or to group individuals into age classes. Managers may determine that identification of age class is
sufficient for making informed decisions based on results of SPR or other population modeling approaches. Quantifying
errors associated with sex identification and age estimation, in addition to identifying specific management goals, can
assist managers in fully utilizing harvest data that are available"
I wonder if other states will turn to this. It’s pretty darn invasive.
Post by: Humptulips on February 23, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Oregon and I believe Utah already require it.I was thinking damn, one of the nice trophy aspects of getting a cat is its skull mountI have been trying to get them to just take an incisor but no go. They want a canine because it is more accurate for aging. I would urge people to comment for incisor submission as an alternative.
I'll just paste this from a research article in the Wildlife Society Bulletin,
" For age estimation via CAA, although the canine remains the preferred tooth type in most carnivores, the value
of using the incisor for age estimation should not be discounted. In fact, the incisor may be more desirable for
collection in research projects involving live capture and release to reduce discomfort and potential post‐release
effects (e.g., canine removal affecting ability to capture prey) to the study animals. Although lower precision
associated with age estimation should be expected from incisors, the resultant estimates may be useful to establish a
12 of 14 |
HILLER ET AL.
relative age index, or to group individuals into age classes. Managers may determine that identification of age class is
sufficient for making informed decisions based on results of SPR or other population modeling approaches. Quantifying
errors associated with sex identification and age estimation, in addition to identifying specific management goals, can
assist managers in fully utilizing harvest data that are available"
I wonder if other states will turn to this. It’s pretty darn invasive.
Post by: bobcat on February 23, 2024, 11:06:44 AM
Further decline in Yakima archery permits for bulls. More than a little head scratching.That one just absolutely makes me pull my hair out. Yakima is bursting at the seams with elk. These bull permit numbers are insulting.
Any hope of convincing the department that success rates for archery can support more than single digit permits? Especially when cow permits remain high?
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:yeah:
The bull to cow ratio the last few years is mine blowing.
I'm guessing we have extremely low bull elk permit numbers to make up for all the bulls that are taken year around by tribal hunters.
Post by: Harbor_hunter on February 23, 2024, 11:33:37 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 23, 2024, 11:40:52 AM
Link for this? Too dumb to find it on the WDFW website I guess, :chuckle:https://publicinput.com/i5887#tab-48565 (https://publicinput.com/i5887#tab-48565)
Post by: Harbor_hunter on February 23, 2024, 11:53:31 AM
Post by: 7t9cobra on February 27, 2024, 08:58:20 AM
I was thinking damn, one of the nice trophy aspects of getting a cat is its skull mountI have been trying to get them to just take an incisor but no go. They want a canine because it is more accurate for aging. I would urge people to comment for incisor submission as an alternative.
I'll just paste this from a research article in the Wildlife Society Bulletin,
" For age estimation via CAA, although the canine remains the preferred tooth type in most carnivores, the value
of using the incisor for age estimation should not be discounted. In fact, the incisor may be more desirable for
collection in research projects involving live capture and release to reduce discomfort and potential post‐release
effects (e.g., canine removal affecting ability to capture prey) to the study animals. Although lower precision
associated with age estimation should be expected from incisors, the resultant estimates may be useful to establish a
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HILLER ET AL.
relative age index, or to group individuals into age classes. Managers may determine that identification of age class is
sufficient for making informed decisions based on results of SPR or other population modeling approaches. Quantifying
errors associated with sex identification and age estimation, in addition to identifying specific management goals, can
assist managers in fully utilizing harvest data that are available"
I wonder if other states will turn to this. It’s pretty darn invasive.
Way too invasive. If they want more people to participate in giving them data you would think they would want to give some incentive. But instead they want to take a large part of your harvest. Sounds counter productive to me. The canine submittal should be voluntary and there should be some sort of incentive.
Post by: Loup Loup on February 27, 2024, 10:09:30 AM
The comment in the report about removing an incisor from a Bobcat to make it easier on a released Bobcat is ludicrous. For one, how many Bobcats does WDFW release in the course of a year? How many of those can be age classed by simply looking at the cat: adult or young of the year? Question solved.
A damaged skull, or missing lower jaw severely lower the value of a skull possibly to the point of no monetary value. I don’t know how either couldn’t negatively affect the use of a cat for taxidermy use.
If they must have a tooth, a premolar is much easier and less invasive to remove. As is done with bear, cougar, and wolves. (Wolves in Idaho)
In Idaho they did a three year study. The submission of Bobcat lower jaws was voluntary, plus IDFW reimbursed the harvester $5.
There is only three sustainable, real world ways to do this:
1. No action. Continue to age/ sex cats at time of CITIES tagging as has been done since early 70s. +-
2. Have harvester remove premolar tooth and submit. As is done with bear.
3. Give WDFW the jaw.
Also, how long would this Bobcat “study” be in effect?
Post by: bearhunter99 on February 27, 2024, 02:07:43 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 29, 2024, 01:51:00 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on February 29, 2024, 02:39:42 PM
Is there anyone else who feels really unmotivated to comment on these proposals?
Perhaps the goal?
Post by: 7t9cobra on March 01, 2024, 08:47:14 AM
We have 300-400 successful bobcat harvesters in WA every year. How many of those nimrods would be able to remove a canine or incisor tooth…undamaged…from a Bobcat skull? I say the vast minority. It would be a toss up if I could remove a canine tooth undamaged. For sure the jaw would by cut/ broken at the tooth site by the time I got the tooth out. An incisor, undamaged? No. Plus the skull/jaw would be severely damaged. Broken teeth are unusable for data collection.
The comment in the report about removing an incisor from a Bobcat to make it easier on a released Bobcat is ludicrous. For one, how many Bobcats does WDFW release in the course of a year? How many of those can be age classed by simply looking at the cat: adult or young of the year? Question solved.
A damaged skull, or missing lower jaw severely lower the value of a skull possibly to the point of no monetary value. I don’t know how either couldn’t negatively affect the use of a cat for taxidermy use.
If they must have a tooth, a premolar is much easier and less invasive to remove. As is done with bear, cougar, and wolves. (Wolves in Idaho)
In Idaho they did a three year study. The submission of Bobcat lower jaws was voluntary, plus IDFW reimbursed the harvester $5.
There is only three sustainable, real world ways to do this:
1. No action. Continue to age/ sex cats at time of CITIES tagging as has been done since early 70s. +-
2. Have harvester remove premolar tooth and submit. As is done with bear.
3. Give WDFW the jaw.
Also, how long would this Bobcat “study” be in effect?
Exactly! Every time I've had a hide sealed on cougars and bears I've had the biologist remove the premolar and every single time they break the first one then struggle to get the second one out. It takes a solid 30 minutes minimum. One even took an hour and it was a real struggle. I was even nice and propped the jaws open before rigor set in. I'm not saying it was the guys fault, but you think if WDFW is requiring them to take the tooth there would be some sort of training or practice. If they have them remove the entire lower jaw, I have zero faith it will be done without ruining the hide. I'm sure they could require us to remove them ourselves, but if they want it, they need to be willing to get it.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 14, 2024, 09:33:15 AM
They are talking cougar management plans today and tomorrow.
Tomorrow they are also discussing the east west deer tags petition.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 14, 2024, 09:53:50 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2024/14-16mar2024-agenda
They are talking cougar management plans today and tomorrow.
Tomorrow they are also discussing the east west deer tags petition.
Cougar discussion starts at 3:00 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 14, 2024, 01:31:51 PM
Yes and again at 3:30 tomorrowhttps://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2024/14-16mar2024-agenda
They are talking cougar management plans today and tomorrow.
Tomorrow they are also discussing the east west deer tags petition.
Cougar discussion starts at 3:00 PM
Post by: JakeLand on March 16, 2024, 07:02:22 PM
Post by: HillHound on March 17, 2024, 06:51:40 AM
Post by: JakeLand on March 17, 2024, 07:08:37 AM
Haven’t heard but I sure hope this pointless rule designed to devalue the trophy quality of a cat doesn’t go through. They can’t do anything with the lower jaw that they can’t do with the same tooth we have given them in the past. If this goes through don’t be surprised when they decide every four point buck or six point bull you shoot you have to cut one antler off to turn into them. There is no difference in having to give your lower jaw away from your skull mount on a cat. For no reason because they can Age it from the incisor tootho agree, IMO it’s mostly to discourage taking cats as you won’t have a skull as a trapper that’s trapped ALOT of cats in almost 40 years of trapping there’s only 3 classes of cats Female, Tom and young of the year . Of course you get cats where the teeth are rounded and worn way down and I call them antique cats
Post by: Humptulips on March 17, 2024, 09:06:42 PM
Do we know anything on the cat lower jaws ?There is a virtual public hearing on that and other items in the three year season setting on March 26th. It won't come before the Commission before that. It is a little confusing to me. There is no Commission meeting scheduled on that date so I am not sure who will be listening to the comments at that hearing. One would assume the Commission but maybe not. Typically changing a WAC like this should involve presentation at the Commission meeting but there is so much stuff in the three year season setting package it may be atypical. No agenda published on their next meeting so I am not sure when it comes before them but I was told probably May but that looks like not a public meeting that accepts comments. They may vote on it then but have the publics chance to comment on March 26th.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 27, 2024, 09:13:34 AM
Am I correct in assuming the crossbow for old dudes in archery season rule change means they still can't have a scope on their cross bow?
No you are not.
Link to read all comments and percentage for or against.
https://publicinput.com/3yearseasonsetting#tab-48565
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2024, 12:27:56 PM
Did I miss something? Cliff notes please!Am I correct in assuming the crossbow for old dudes in archery season rule change means they still can't have a scope on their cross bow?
No you are not.
Link to read all comments and percentage for or against.
https://publicinput.com/3yearseasonsetting#tab-48565
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2024, 12:50:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 27, 2024, 01:09:45 PM
Regs should be out next week???? On line of course.
I doubt it. I'd say three more weeks until we see anything. I know last year they were really late.
Post by: jstone on March 27, 2024, 01:16:10 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 27, 2024, 01:19:36 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2024, 01:51:40 PM
Post by: dagon on March 29, 2024, 07:19:20 AM
2020 20-Apr
2021 19-Apr
2022 15-Apr
2023 14-Apr
Post by: Antlershed on March 29, 2024, 08:57:51 AM
Post by: bornhunter on March 29, 2024, 09:43:33 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 29, 2024, 12:17:54 PM
Post by: James on March 29, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
They don't care anymore about getting the regulations out on time or anything else that benefits hunters. Sad to day the WDFW is not a pro hunting organization anymore.
I think you need to acknowledge the difference between the WDFW and the Commission. I have watched WDFW bios give presentations showing data why it's perfectly sustainable to spring bear hunt as well as more recently defending out current fall bear and cougar seasons.
The Commission most definitely has a number of anti's on it.
Post by: dagon on March 30, 2024, 09:11:16 AM
Don’t they still need to adopt the regs? The next commission meeting isn’t until April 18-20.
It's probably ready to go already. If they do make a last minute change which they probably won't it should be very quick and easy. They ask us for our opinions to make us feel involved, but really they are gonna do what they want anyway.
Post by: Antlershed on March 30, 2024, 10:21:32 PM
Don’t they still need to adopt the regs? The next commission meeting isn’t until April 18-20.
It's probably ready to go already. If they do make a last minute change which they probably won't it should be very quick and easy. They ask us for our opinions to make us feel involved, but really they are gonna do what they want anyway.
I realize that, but typically the regs come out about a week after they are adopted, and the permit submission period opens about a week after the regs come out. Just seems really late.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 31, 2024, 08:07:11 AM
This is going to be one of the latest final meetings to adopt the hunting rules that I can remember. I think some of it has to do with the way the calendar falls this year. Thanksgiving this year is going to be later.Don’t they still need to adopt the regs? The next commission meeting isn’t until April 18-20.
It's probably ready to go already. If they do make a last minute change which they probably won't it should be very quick and easy. They ask us for our opinions to make us feel involved, but really they are gonna do what they want anyway.
I realize that, but typically the regs come out about a week after they are adopted, and the permit submission period opens about a week after the regs come out. Just seems really late.
Post by: idahohuntr on April 01, 2024, 11:19:26 AM
Didn't they modify the process...that the Director makes the decision? And the Director's Hearing was 26 March - so i'm thinking maybe 2024 regs/seasons will get finalized soon...by the director? Did anybody listen in on the 26 March meeting to confirm this is how it will work?This is going to be one of the latest final meetings to adopt the hunting rules that I can remember. I think some of it has to do with the way the calendar falls this year. Thanksgiving this year is going to be later.Don’t they still need to adopt the regs? The next commission meeting isn’t until April 18-20.
It's probably ready to go already. If they do make a last minute change which they probably won't it should be very quick and easy. They ask us for our opinions to make us feel involved, but really they are gonna do what they want anyway.
I realize that, but typically the regs come out about a week after they are adopted, and the permit submission period opens about a week after the regs come out. Just seems really late.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 01, 2024, 02:04:45 PM
Post by: Humptulips on April 01, 2024, 02:54:41 PM
I watched and gave comment at that hearing. I'm still confused about the process. They seemed to say the Director could modify the proposals based on testimony. I did not think they could change anything without allowing another 30 days comment. I did not get the impression the Director could pass this on his own. There are WACs up for change and I think that has to go before the Commission.Didn't they modify the process...that the Director makes the decision? And the Director's Hearing was 26 March - so i'm thinking maybe 2024 regs/seasons will get finalized soon...by the director? Did anybody listen in on the 26 March meeting to confirm this is how it will work?This is going to be one of the latest final meetings to adopt the hunting rules that I can remember. I think some of it has to do with the way the calendar falls this year. Thanksgiving this year is going to be later.Don’t they still need to adopt the regs? The next commission meeting isn’t until April 18-20.
It's probably ready to go already. If they do make a last minute change which they probably won't it should be very quick and easy. They ask us for our opinions to make us feel involved, but really they are gonna do what they want anyway.
I realize that, but typically the regs come out about a week after they are adopted, and the permit submission period opens about a week after the regs come out. Just seems really late.
Still no agenda for the April Commission meeting but it is about the only place for it to be before the Commission unless they vote on it in May with no presentation before the Commission. May is just a web conference so there won't be any public testimony at that time I think.
I have a call in to find out what the procedure is. Will report back when I hear something.
Post by: Antlershed on April 01, 2024, 11:07:47 PM
Whoever has the power to adopt them, can modify based on what they hear from public comment, and then adopt.
Post by: dagon on April 03, 2024, 07:29:09 AM
Soooooo! this means who knows what? LOL
Submit between: April 15 – May 15, 2024
Post by: idahohuntr on April 03, 2024, 07:39:07 AM
If this is the case then it seems April 18-20 before final rules are set (e.g., crossbows, 1x scopes, permit levels, etc.)...and so maybe only a two-ish week period to submit apps? Things will probably be close to the recommendations...but with this commission...who knows.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/season-setting
Early to mid- March
The Fish and Wildlife Commission holds public hearings and collects public testimony. WDFW briefs the Commission and the public on the hunting season recommendations
Late March
WDFW adjusts hunting season recommendations based on survey information, harvest, winter severity, and public comments received during the review period and at the public hearing in March.
April
WDFW presents final recommendations to the Fish and Wildlife Commission for adoption.
Once the Fish and Wildlife Commission adopts the seasons and rules, the pamphlet is sent to print and posted online.
The printing company delivers Big Game Hunting Seasons and Regulations Pamphlets to License Vendors.[/i]
Post by: Rainier10 on April 03, 2024, 07:48:34 AM
Two years ago when 1x scopes were proposed it was the final April meeting that the commission removed them at the last minute so yes things can change at this last meeting.
Keep the pressure on via email about the bear and cougar seasons.
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2024, 10:47:05 AM
With this commission I wouldn't be that surprised if they cancelled hunting season entirely at the last minute.
Post by: jstone on April 03, 2024, 11:09:45 AM
Post by: Farmer72 on April 03, 2024, 11:52:43 AM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on April 03, 2024, 12:23:42 PM
I am sure it could change but the dates are already listed on the WDFW site for submit deadlines. It should be the same amount of time as every other year (1 month).
Just my usual rant at the passing clouds... Why is there a 4 month multi season application period? and a 3 month decision to buy period? Just seems ridiculous.
Post by: Farmer72 on April 03, 2024, 12:50:26 PM
I am sure it could change but the dates are already listed on the WDFW site for submit deadlines. It should be the same amount of time as every other year (1 month).
Just my usual rant at the passing clouds... Why is there a 4 month multi season application period? and a 3 month decision to buy period? Just seems ridiculous.
I will give you my opinion and this is just my opinion. The 4 month application period is to get as much app fees as possible. Why else would I get an email a day (so it seems) reminding me I am running out of time to put in (when I already did) in the final month. The 3 month is because they are basing it off the "before the first hunt date" and don't take into consideration the process to give the option to the next person if the first person doesn't buy it for whatever reason. Again just my opinion.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 03, 2024, 01:09:30 PM
https://www.mywdfw.com/multi-season-special-hunt/
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 03, 2024, 01:15:12 PM
I am sure it could change but the dates are already listed on the WDFW site for submit deadlines. It should be the same amount of time as every other year (1 month).
Just my usual rant at the passing clouds... Why is there a 4 month multi season application period? and a 3 month decision to buy period? Just seems ridiculous.
:yeah: They probably didn't read my comments and suggestions. :bash:
Post by: Rainier10 on April 03, 2024, 02:29:24 PM
According to this link the deadline has changed to May 15th.That link starts off talking about special permit applications can be purchased until the May 15th deadline to submit.
https://www.mywdfw.com/multi-season-special-hunt/
Then it talks about multi season and on the picture it says application period closed.
Post by: Humptulips on April 03, 2024, 03:16:07 PM
They should present the three year package at one meeting and approve it at the next. I don't see how they cannot vote on approval at the April meeting though. It feels like there will be no consideration of comments at least by the Commission.
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 03, 2024, 06:04:15 PM
I went in today to buy my razor clam license for next weeks tides. They said they weren't available yet so it looks like everything is down to the last minute.
They should present the three year package at one meeting and approve it at the next. I don't see how they cannot vote on approval at the April meeting though. It feels like there will be no consideration of comments at least by the Commission.
I gave up on commenting years ago after I submitted a comment for everything that affects my hunting plans and then went to a meeting to comment in person. During that meeting I spoke with an employee from WDFW and he told me that they received more than 70k comments online so there was no way for them to read the comments before decision time.
Post by: millerwheeler on April 03, 2024, 06:15:21 PM
Post by: James on April 04, 2024, 08:54:28 AM
I gave up on commenting years ago after I submitted a comment for everything that affects my hunting plans and then went to a meeting to comment in person. During that meeting I spoke with an employee from WDFW and he told me that they received more than 70k comments online so there was no way for them to read the comments before decision time.
While your specific comment might not be read by WDFW or the commission, think of it more like a vote.
We have seen recently that an overwhelming majority of people saying "No, do not adopt" will influence them. The conservation coalition of Washington put together a good set of video clips of commissioners after some recent bear season changes they were trying to push though, and the overwhelming number of emails was really getting to them.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 04, 2024, 10:19:02 AM
I went in today to buy my razor clam license for next weeks tides. They said they weren't available yet so it looks like everything is down to the last minute.Did you know a combo fish license covers razor clams? Just letting you know.
They should present the three year package at one meeting and approve it at the next. I don't see how they cannot vote on approval at the April meeting though. It feels like there will be no consideration of comments at least by the Commission.
Post by: Humptulips on April 04, 2024, 10:53:42 AM
I bought a shellfish license but it is more money for stuff I will not do.I went in today to buy my razor clam license for next weeks tides. They said they weren't available yet so it looks like everything is down to the last minute.Did you know a combo fish license covers razor clams? Just letting you know.
They should present the three year package at one meeting and approve it at the next. I don't see how they cannot vote on approval at the April meeting though. It feels like there will be no consideration of comments at least by the Commission.
Post by: dagon on April 04, 2024, 11:44:28 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 04, 2024, 12:16:44 PM
If the open date for putting in for special hunts is april 15th then the reg's should be out by Monday the 8th right. Its been about a week after reg's for quite a few years now. And the closing date is May 15th which is month later. Same amount of time to put in as it has been. thoughts?Cant happen because the rules don’t get officially adopted until after the commission meeting April 18-20th.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 04, 2024, 12:28:15 PM
So hopefully they keep the mid May deadline.
Otherwise it'll be July before result's are out.
Not cutting the commission any slack though
If they did their job and focused on providing us opportunity instead of figuring out how to take it away it wouldn't be last minute.
Can sue wdfw for false advertising 😆
Post by: dagon on April 05, 2024, 06:44:02 AM
I still say early next week. If they wait until after the commission meeting they won't be out until the end of the month or almost. Quite aways past the norm.If the open date for putting in for special hunts is april 15th then the reg's should be out by Monday the 8th right. Its been about a week after reg's for quite a few years now. And the closing date is May 15th which is month later. Same amount of time to put in as it has been. thoughts?Cant happen because the rules don’t get officially adopted until after the commission meeting April 18-20th.
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2024, 10:31:51 AM
I'm thinking new regs will be posted online by the 15th. They're just not being very transparent with the process, and the timeline of when it's being approved, and how.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 05, 2024, 10:50:25 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2024, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on April 05, 2024, 06:32:40 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 05, 2024, 08:15:07 PM
I think they need to put out the new hunting regs by at least when the new licenses go into effect, if not sooner. There really is no excuse. If they need to push back season setting meetings then do it. Start in the summer or earlier. Oh they need harvest stats and critter counts. They have plenty of data. How does Montana and Idaho do it?
Montana doesn’t care about the survival of their elk herds and that is why they don’t even require hunting reports. Idaho sets 2 year cycles and don’t make adjustments even if there is significant loss during the winter. Both states basically say it is what it is without any true science.
Not trying to say Washington does it right and puts science and sense into their process but we know why Montana and Idaho have their regs out on time.
Post by: Antlershed on April 10, 2024, 08:55:33 AM
Post by: Humptulips on April 10, 2024, 09:11:59 AM
Post by: Antlershed on April 10, 2024, 09:23:45 AM
Post by: Humptulips on April 10, 2024, 09:28:46 AM
My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Post by: Antlershed on April 10, 2024, 09:30:12 AM
There are updates to tag numbers every year. The commission can delegate their authority to the Director.My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Post by: TriggerMike on April 10, 2024, 12:16:09 PM
Post by: Antlershed on April 10, 2024, 12:21:10 PM
Has anyone tried calling wdfw and asked?The email the replied to me with this morning.
Post by: Humptulips on April 10, 2024, 06:14:16 PM
Maybe our concern is about different things. There are WACS proposed to be changed in the Hunting Season Proposals. That is my focus and I don't think the Director can change them unilaterally.There are updates to tag numbers every year. The commission can delegate their authority to the Director.My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Post by: Antlershed on April 10, 2024, 07:41:36 PM
I believe he just did it this Fall with the Multi-Season permit WAC. He held a public hearing in November, and I don’t think it ever went back to the commission.Maybe our concern is about different things. There are WACS proposed to be changed in the Hunting Season Proposals. That is my focus and I don't think the Director can change them unilaterally.There are updates to tag numbers every year. The commission can delegate their authority to the Director.My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Edit: hearing was October 24th, not November.
Post by: Humptulips on April 10, 2024, 08:30:24 PM
I didn't follow that so won't dispute you but it seems like at some point the Commission would have to at the very least cede him that authority or what is the point of the Commission? I have not seen where they have done that with these WACs.I believe he just did it this Fall with the Multi-Season permit WAC. He held a public hearing in November, and I don’t think it ever went back to the commission.Maybe our concern is about different things. There are WACS proposed to be changed in the Hunting Season Proposals. That is my focus and I don't think the Director can change them unilaterally.There are updates to tag numbers every year. The commission can delegate their authority to the Director.My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Post by: Antlershed on April 10, 2024, 08:56:15 PM
I agree, the commission would have to delegate that to him. I have gone back to the last few meetings to try and find where they may have done that, but couldn’t find anything. I even asked it in the email I sent, but they didn’t answer it.I didn't follow that so won't dispute you but it seems like at some point the Commission would have to at the very least cede him that authority or what is the point of the Commission? I have not seen where they have done that with these WACs.I believe he just did it this Fall with the Multi-Season permit WAC. He held a public hearing in November, and I don’t think it ever went back to the commission.Maybe our concern is about different things. There are WACS proposed to be changed in the Hunting Season Proposals. That is my focus and I don't think the Director can change them unilaterally.There are updates to tag numbers every year. The commission can delegate their authority to the Director.My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Post by: TriggerMike on April 10, 2024, 08:59:05 PM
Did something change with multi season?I believe he just did it this Fall with the Multi-Season permit WAC. He held a public hearing in November, and I don’t think it ever went back to the commission.Maybe our concern is about different things. There are WACS proposed to be changed in the Hunting Season Proposals. That is my focus and I don't think the Director can change them unilaterally.There are updates to tag numbers every year. The commission can delegate their authority to the Director.My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Edit: hearing was October 24th, not November.
Post by: Antlershed on April 10, 2024, 09:11:19 PM
They created another pool of 100 multi-season deer tags that could be issued, at no cost, to people who submitted their deer for CWD sampling.Did something change with multi season?I believe he just did it this Fall with the Multi-Season permit WAC. He held a public hearing in November, and I don’t think it ever went back to the commission.Maybe our concern is about different things. There are WACS proposed to be changed in the Hunting Season Proposals. That is my focus and I don't think the Director can change them unilaterally.There are updates to tag numbers every year. The commission can delegate their authority to the Director.My guess is that it was delegated to the Director like last year. :dunno:What was were changed last year? I didn't think the Director had the authority to do that.
Edit: hearing was October 24th, not November.