Post by: outdooraddict on February 22, 2024, 08:54:34 AM
Post by: eliandsky on February 22, 2024, 09:17:17 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2024, 09:17:44 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2024, 09:22:33 AM
They'll still make the money plus some...still issue all tags available..
Without the hassle and the chaos of December one day madness.
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2024, 09:23:28 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2024, 09:25:32 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on February 22, 2024, 09:32:19 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2024, 09:33:27 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on February 22, 2024, 09:49:26 AM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 10:04:57 AM
And how will the draw be conducted? 1, 2, 3, or 4 choices? Group apps? Point system? Will leftover tags also go to a draw? This is a prime example of hunters being their own worst enemy imo. One of the few otc opportunities left in the west and we are gonna piss it down the drain🤦♂️
Post by: 3nails on February 22, 2024, 10:11:12 AM
Will there be a points system for NR like most other states?I sure hope not.
Post by: 92xj on February 22, 2024, 10:15:58 AM
People took too much advantage of the "loopholes" and others complained.
Post by: baldopepper on February 22, 2024, 10:16:53 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2024, 10:20:05 AM
So pre purchase of license. That could be a deal breaker for allot.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 10:24:04 AM
If only they would have stopped in person Non Res sales and be forced to sign into your online account to eliminate multiple devices/bots for one person to be entered into the waiting room.I partially agree. I don't think they should completely eliminate in person sales but you should be limited to only being able to buy for direct family ie wife and kids.
People took too much advantage of the "loopholes" and others complained.
I also agree with the login requirement. I personally had 4 devices in the que and once placement was assigned, ditched all but the lowest number.
One thing I think a lot of people don't understand about the que is there isn't actually 50k people in line. There's 50k devices in line. It's also a rolling number as in new placement numbers just continue to add up even as numbers are eliminated from the que. For example, on the evening of Dec 1 I logged in under my wife's account to see what tags were still available and my que number was like 88k but my wait time was 30 seconds to get in. There WAS NOT 87,999 people in front of me. It's just that the que numbers never reset. Hope that made sense :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 10:25:44 AM
Anyone catch the "licensed" to hunt portion.it'll be ran just like the LE tags. Big Game license required and a $14 application fee per species. ID is gonna make bank next year!
So pre purchase of license. That could be a deal breaker for allot.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 22, 2024, 10:26:00 AM
This had to happen anyway.
My sister and her husband drove to ID to stand in line this year. The #1 guy in their line was standing there will a stack of requests for "friends" from out of state, buying tags for them. Took over an hour just for that one guy. My sister was 4th in line. By the time she got up to the counter, nothing was available anymore. So even driving to ID doesn't work as the work-around anymore.
Post by: eliandsky on February 22, 2024, 10:28:25 AM
Wonder if there will be two draws. And how they’ll deal with big game vs trophy vs general. In theory they may have four draws w the turn back tags.Anyone catch the "licensed" to hunt portion.it'll be ran just like the LE tags. Big Game license required and a $14 application fee per species. ID is gonna make bank next year!
So pre purchase of license. That could be a deal breaker for allot.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 10:30:13 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2024, 10:32:19 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on February 22, 2024, 10:37:10 AM
This pertains to other tags only. The LE draw won't change.I'm not so sure on that. It could very easily be a case of adding the NR allocation to the regular draw. Basically forcing folks to skip controlled hunts if they want the best chance at what are currently 'otc' tags. This model would be consistent with Idaho's history of keeping odds as best as possible by forcing hunters to choose amongst competing options.
I'm not saying this will definitely be the case, but I don't think its out of the question.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 22, 2024, 10:39:21 AM
I wonder if this will push them to a point system, I hope not. At least I can apply with my son in law together and know we both gets tags we want as a group.Not a chance.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 10:50:20 AM
:dunno: simply addresses otc purchases. They would be fools to lump otc Quota in with the LE draw. That's a lot of app fees they'd miss out on not to mention they would get far less participation having to wait till june :twocents:This pertains to other tags only. The LE draw won't change.I'm not so sure on that. It could very easily be a case of adding the NR allocation to the regular draw. Basically forcing folks to skip controlled hunts if they want the best chance at what are currently 'otc' tags. This model would be consistent with Idaho's history of keeping odds as best as possible by forcing hunters to choose amongst competing options.
I'm not saying this will definitely be the case, but I don't think its out of the question.
Post by: vandeman17 on February 22, 2024, 10:59:26 AM
:dunno: simply addresses otc purchases. They would be fools to lump otc Quota in with the LE draw. That's a lot of app fees they'd miss out on not to mention they would get far less participation having to wait till june :twocents:This pertains to other tags only. The LE draw won't change.I'm not so sure on that. It could very easily be a case of adding the NR allocation to the regular draw. Basically forcing folks to skip controlled hunts if they want the best chance at what are currently 'otc' tags. This model would be consistent with Idaho's history of keeping odds as best as possible by forcing hunters to choose amongst competing options.
I'm not saying this will definitely be the case, but I don't think its out of the question.
So even if it passes, there would be one more year of OTC given the draw is Dec 1 and changes would be Jan 1
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 11:00:50 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on February 22, 2024, 11:14:57 AM
Post by: Rob on February 22, 2024, 11:28:16 AM
Post by: High Climber on February 22, 2024, 11:29:05 AM
If they gave you say 5 choices and considered everyone’s 1st choice before moving down the line and so on I bet there would be lots of happy customers
Post by: Taco280AI on February 22, 2024, 11:37:04 AM
And if it goes to a draw, no points!
Make wolf tags $5 each.
Post by: kellama2001 on February 22, 2024, 11:52:35 AM
This just makes me ill. They could tweek a few things and the Dec 1 tag sale would go so smooth. Now we are gonna be forced into yet another draw system. So instead of hunting idaho every year, there will be no guarantee of a tag unless you apply for something that has hundreds of tags like 39 and 43 deer.
And how will the draw be conducted? 1, 2, 3, or 4 choices? Group apps? Point system? Will leftover tags also go to a draw? This is a prime example of hunters being their own worst enemy imo. One of the few otc opportunities left in the west and we are gonna piss it down the drain🤦♂️
:yeah: Well said
Post by: dreamingbig on February 22, 2024, 12:04:20 PM
Honestly, why wouldnt it? I can't imagine a resident opposing it, except maybe a store ownerThe vendor is going to lose out on the markups they were collecting for a place in line.
Also would be glad to see the ability to proxy purchase go away.
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Post by: dreamingbig on February 22, 2024, 12:05:11 PM
This just makes me ill. They could tweek a few things and the Dec 1 tag sale would go so smooth. Now we are gonna be forced into yet another draw system. So instead of hunting idaho every year, there will be no guarantee of a tag unless you apply for something that has hundreds of tags like 39 and 43 deer.The Idaho department will get to hammer out the details. Party app, choices etc.
And how will the draw be conducted? 1, 2, 3, or 4 choices? Group apps? Point system? Will leftover tags also go to a draw? This is a prime example of hunters being their own worst enemy imo. One of the few otc opportunities left in the west and we are gonna piss it down the drain
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Post by: idahohuntr on February 22, 2024, 12:29:00 PM
If the bill passes, IDFG will have to have a public process on establishing the new draw and I can all but guarantee Residents are going to very much push the idea of putting the NR tags in the main draw and forcing a choice...because its an 'up to' 10% state on the CH draws, so fewer NR applicants for CH = more tags for Residents.:dunno: simply addresses otc purchases. They would be fools to lump otc Quota in with the LE draw. That's a lot of app fees they'd miss out on not to mention they would get far less participation having to wait till june :twocents:This pertains to other tags only. The LE draw won't change.I'm not so sure on that. It could very easily be a case of adding the NR allocation to the regular draw. Basically forcing folks to skip controlled hunts if they want the best chance at what are currently 'otc' tags. This model would be consistent with Idaho's history of keeping odds as best as possible by forcing hunters to choose amongst competing options.
I'm not saying this will definitely be the case, but I don't think its out of the question.
I agree they miss out on app fees, but if they just wanted free money they would start a point system (which will never happen) and they would let you apply for M,S,G, AND D,E,A.
I don't agree on the less participation if they wait till june. There will be no meaningful reduction in revenue or tags sold.
To be clear - I'd much rather they just clean up the current process...and thats what IDFG staff want to do as well. Stop the multi-party purchases, make the online portal equal (not 28 devices and bots) etc. Rarely do we see any good come from Legislatures meddling in these affairs...regardless of the state or the politics.
Post by: Broomd on February 22, 2024, 12:36:42 PM
Can't say I blame them. How many Washington hunters are now looking towards Idaho for their hunting opportunities now that Washington is so mismanaged. They also have to respond to their boost in residents now that Washington is so uninhabitable.Thank you for this opinion, although it is probably wildly unpopular with the WA homies. But it is common sense. Our state has become inundated with new resident transplants.
For the others here?
Take your crying elsewhere. Your state has pissed it's own system down the drain, and you and others gaining an unfair advantage due to proximity is about to end. Good on Idaho. Always cracks me up to see the whining about our system (and subsequent changes) from those whose states have virtually destroyed their own resource and offer virtually NOTHING to those of us in neighboring states.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 12:39:02 PM
I guess time will tell but I'd wager a good amount that they keep LE separate from general :twocents:
Post by: deerlick on February 22, 2024, 01:09:21 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 01:14:25 PM
i like it alot, i also think its absolutely hilarious that a guy who admits to cheating the system with multiple devices is also upset with a possible change.hate the game not the player. I've been advocating for changes to the tag sale since the very first year. Feel free to search back in these annual idaho tags for proof of that. No different than anything else. Scopes on muzzy's for example. I hope we never see it but if it happens I'm sure gonna put one on my muzzleloader. The one man boycott is a pointless endeavor.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 01:18:10 PM
how about almost single handedly funding your game department which allows you to have hilariously low tag costs as well as dumping MILLIONS into Idahos local economies.Can't say I blame them. How many Washington hunters are now looking towards Idaho for their hunting opportunities now that Washington is so mismanaged. They also have to respond to their boost in residents now that Washington is so uninhabitable.Thank you for this opinion, although it is probably wildly unpopular with the WA homies. But it is common sense. Our state has become inundated with new resident transplants.
For the others here?
Take your crying elsewhere. Your state has pissed it's own system down the drain, and you and others gaining an unfair advantage due to proximity is about to end. Good on Idaho. Always cracks me up to see the whining about our system (and subsequent changes) from those whose states have virtually destroyed their own resource and offer virtually NOTHING to those of us in neighboring states.
My question for you is why are you whining about a potential change to the NON RESIDENT allocation of tags which has no effect on Idaho resident opportunities :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2024, 01:23:57 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 01:26:45 PM
Karl, sounds like a done deal on that 1x muzzy scope, let me know what you are getting!!Same one I'll use in Utah since they went backwards with their rules which I was elated to see.
Post by: addicted on February 22, 2024, 01:27:10 PM
Post by: Mtnwalker on February 22, 2024, 01:33:24 PM
Post by: addicted on February 22, 2024, 01:36:17 PM
If I was a betting man I'd put money down that most of you advocating for a draw will be singing a different tune 5 years from now
It would let a guy and his buddies put in together; you all get it or you dont. If you dont you can start planning another state. Instead of one guy getting it and the others trying to gamble on left overs until its too late.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 01:36:39 PM
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 01:38:05 PM
If I was a betting man I'd put money down that most of you advocating for a draw will be singing a different tune 5 years from nowI'm definitely saving this thread under favorites so I can circle back with my "I told you so's" :chuckle:
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 22, 2024, 01:40:17 PM
If I was a betting man I'd put money down that most of you advocating for a draw will be singing a different tune 5 years from now
I know I will...
I'll be on here telling all you wa homies to stop your crying and whining and to fix your own state before messing up mine ...:chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on February 22, 2024, 01:41:25 PM
Post by: kentrek on February 22, 2024, 01:44:18 PM
This is simply a feel good for californiacated residents and money grab for the state
Post by: kentrek on February 22, 2024, 01:45:43 PM
If I was a betting man I'd put money down that most of you advocating for a draw will be singing a different tune 5 years from nowI'm definitely saving this thread under favorites so I can circle back with my "I told you so's" :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: baker5150 on February 22, 2024, 01:48:35 PM
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
:yeah:
Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.
If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group. (takes 3 guys out of the que).
Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.
Single device in the que per person.
Single species purchase once in the portal???
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 01:57:42 PM
:yeah: but don't forget your $185 big game license to apply for a CHANCE to draw. Gonna be some salty folks with not selected by their name with a $185 license in their pocket :chuckle:DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
:yeah:
Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.
If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group. (takes 3 guys out of the que).
Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.
Single device in the que per person.
Single species purchase once in the portal???
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2024, 01:59:24 PM
But, they will be able to apply for special permits later, correct?:yeah: but don't forget your $185 big game license to apply for a CHANCE to draw. Gonna be some salty folks with not selected by their name with a $185 license in their pocket :chuckle:DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
:yeah:
Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.
If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group. (takes 3 guys out of the que).
Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.
Single device in the que per person.
Single species purchase once in the portal???
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 02:02:21 PM
I'd assume so :dunno: nobody really knows at this point. If they keep the general and LE separate then I'd assume yes which will add a lot more folks into the draw more than likely.But, they will be able to apply for special permits later, correct?:yeah: but don't forget your $185 big game license to apply for a CHANCE to draw. Gonna be some salty folks with not selected by their name with a $185 license in their pocket :chuckle:DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
:yeah:
Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.
If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group. (takes 3 guys out of the que).
Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.
Single device in the que per person.
Single species purchase once in the portal???
This reminds me of Nancy Pelosi's "you have to pass the bill to know what's in it" :chuckle:
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on February 22, 2024, 02:02:49 PM
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 02:09:00 PM
elk for sure. As for deer I don't know. I've yet to hear of anyone who gets into the virtual waiting room on time that gets a number so high they can't get some form of tag. No doubt those first few years there were endless system glitches that could have put a guy out but I know one year I got booted two separate times, made it to checkout on 3rd attempt to be booted again, got back in line a 4th time and still got a tag with a gue number of 58k. Took like 5 full hours.DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues?
That's pretty worst case scenario imo. But I wanted a tag so I stuck with it. I very much like the Dec 1 form of tag sales but it absolutely needs an overhaul not a draw :chuckle:
Post by: Mtnwalker on February 22, 2024, 02:23:06 PM
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues?
Are you thinking everybody who wants a tag will get one with a draw? There were elk tags to be had right up until the end of season last year. We drove over and bought one 2 days before the season closed and killed a bull the next morning. I got burned by the current system 3 years running and I still don't want a draw, when the fixes are so simple to implement.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 22, 2024, 02:25:49 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on February 22, 2024, 02:43:54 PM
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.
They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.
Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues?
Are you thinking everybody who wants a tag will get one with a draw? There were elk tags to be had right up until the end of season last year. We drove over and bought one 2 days before the season closed and killed a bull the next morning. I got burned by the current system 3 years running and I still don't want a draw, when the fixes are so simple to implement.
No. I understand there is a limited amount of tags.
Depending on how they roll it out, you may have a more equal playing field when it comes to getting tags.
Post by: Skillet on February 22, 2024, 02:59:51 PM
"STATEMENT OF PURPOSE
RS31406 / H0587
This legislation requires all nonresident tags and permits issued by the Department of Fish & Game for deer,
elk, and pronghorn antelope to be issued through a draw process, instead of an over-the-counter purchase."
Also from the same document, here is what I believe is the real motivation for the legislature to get involved, no matter if the people or IDFG actually wants it:
"FISCAL NOTE
It is expected that this legislation will have a positive impact on the Fish & Game funds. However, the amount
of positive impact will depend on how many nonresidents apply for the drawing for deer, elk, and pronghorn
antelope tags."
Post by: James on February 22, 2024, 03:13:41 PM
A backcountry backpack elk hunt is a real situation if you are the only one of your buddies that was able to get a tag.
Post by: 2MANY on February 22, 2024, 03:48:49 PM
Big Brother needs money.
Post by: dreamingbig on February 22, 2024, 04:07:31 PM
He bashes anyone who complains about Idaho nonresident issues. Don’t take it personally. It was only a matter of time until he showed up with his opinion.how about almost single handedly funding your game department which allows you to have hilariously low tag costs as well as dumping MILLIONS into Idahos local economies.Can't say I blame them. How many Washington hunters are now looking towards Idaho for their hunting opportunities now that Washington is so mismanaged. They also have to respond to their boost in residents now that Washington is so uninhabitable.Thank you for this opinion, although it is probably wildly unpopular with the WA homies. But it is common sense. Our state has become inundated with new resident transplants.
For the others here?
Take your crying elsewhere. Your state has pissed it's own system down the drain, and you and others gaining an unfair advantage due to proximity is about to end. Good on Idaho. Always cracks me up to see the whining about our system (and subsequent changes) from those whose states have virtually destroyed their own resource and offer virtually NOTHING to those of us in neighboring states.
My question for you is why are you whining about a potential change to the NON RESIDENT allocation of tags which has no effect on Idaho resident opportunities :chuckle:
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 22, 2024, 08:45:13 PM
Honestly, why wouldnt it? I can't imagine a resident opposing it, except maybe a store ownerI will oppose it. Our legislators are out of control and need to get out of the wildlife management game and allow the IDFG commission to manage wildlife. They also proposed a bill recently which would give outfitters sheep, goat or moose tags if they kill a wolf
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Post by: BUTTER on February 22, 2024, 10:11:23 PM
Post by: Broomd on February 22, 2024, 10:42:52 PM
My question for you is why are you whining about a potential change to the NON RESIDENT allocation of tags which has no effect on Idaho resident opportunities :chuckle:
Oh, I'm happy as a clam.
And the simple answer is: Less *Washington* hunters.... more opportunity for other hunters across the U.S. (who have to learn the system and units that WA hunters have down to a "T" starting with gaming the draw system.) Overall less opp for those from WA who take advantage of this state on an annual basis.
It's not personal, it's business.
:D
"Millions"......Most of those who come here (literally on our very gravel road) spend dick here, they buy their lic and tag and spend dick here beyond that.
Post by: Broomd on February 22, 2024, 10:44:44 PM
He bashes anyone who complains about Idaho nonresident issues. Don’t take it personally. It was only a matter of time until he showed up with his opinion.how about almost single handedly funding your game department which allows you to have hilariously low tag costs as well as dumping MILLIONS into Idahos local economies.Can't say I blame them. How many Washington hunters are now looking towards Idaho for their hunting opportunities now that Washington is so mismanaged. They also have to respond to their boost in residents now that Washington is so uninhabitable.Thank you for this opinion, although it is probably wildly unpopular with the WA homies. But it is common sense. Our state has become inundated with new resident transplants.
For the others here?
Take your crying elsewhere. Your state has pissed it's own system down the drain, and you and others gaining an unfair advantage due to proximity is about to end. Good on Idaho. Always cracks me up to see the whining about our system (and subsequent changes) from those whose states have virtually destroyed their own resource and offer virtually NOTHING to those of us in neighboring states.
My question for you is why are you whining about a potential change to the NON RESIDENT allocation of tags which has no effect on Idaho resident opportunities :chuckle:
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Yep, the same opinion you would have if the situations were reversed. Great to see that things are finally changing to 'fair', most here hoped they would in time. :)
Post by: dreamingbig on February 23, 2024, 12:12:23 AM
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 23, 2024, 05:52:35 AM
Washington state still has OTC tags for nonresidents with no limit, no draw and no December 1st madness. 100% of our draw permits can be drawn by nonresidents. No 90/10 split, no 80/20 split, no 84/16 split and no you have to hunt with an outfitter split. It might suck and it does cost but they do let everyone come and play.Yes, that is a fact, but the reality is that Washington’s big game herds suck so bad that the influencers and research services don’t push Washington as the last place to get OTC mule deer tags. Even they see no use in those OTC deer tags you guys get
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 23, 2024, 06:35:08 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 23, 2024, 06:50:07 AM
The total number of non-resident elk tags and deer tags sold in Idaho each year was set long ago, the number of tags has not increased or decreased for nearly 30 years. None of the recent actions by F&G have changed overall non-resident tag numbers.
The move by IDFG in 2021 establishing non-resident deer tag quotas in each unit was due to non-resident hunter crowding in certain units. The total number of tags sold statewide remained the same but unit quotas force more even non-resident hunter distribution across all units in the state by limiting non-res hunters to 10%-15% in each unit, thereby reducing non-resident crowding in certain units where it was a problem.
IMO: Non-resident deer and elk tags are already essentially on a draw in Idaho, when you get in line at sales locations your position in line determines if you will get tags, when you are placed in the waiting room online your randomly assigned number dictates if you will get a tag or not get a tag. Due to increasing numbers of non-residents wanting to hunt Idaho the F&G has tried to come up with a system to provide non-residents a fair chance without implementing a draw, I commend them for that. But with ever increasing numbers of non-residents wanting to hunt Idaho I think HB 587 has a good chance of becoming law. With ever increasing numbers of non-residents wanting tags a draw may actually be a fairer way to distribute non-resident tags and F&G will likely increase funding through increased license and application sales associated with a draw, so they may support the bill, that is an unknown at this time. However, I think these are only band-aids for smaller issues, there's a much larger problem that IDFG faces!
The Real Elephant In The Room:
1,391,802...Idaho Population in 2004
1,964,726...Idaho Population in 2023
572,924 Population Increase From 2004 to 2023 (41% increase)
USFWS says 15.9% of people in Idaho hunt. A recent survey revealed that 1 in 10 people moving to Idaho cited a primary reason was for hunting. I couldn't find an exact number of resident licenses sold in 2023, but these two metrics suggest there may be anywhere from 57,000 to 91,000 more resident hunters in Idaho today than there was in 2004.
Eventually F&G will be forced to limit resident hunters in some manner and I have been told by people who would know that its already being discussed.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 23, 2024, 09:02:24 AM
Idaho Non-Resident Tag NumbersI am personally a big proponent that we need deer zones like our current elk zone system. Continues to allow all residents to hunt but limits the amount of unit hopping that people can do. Some zones with quotas, others unlimited. The most important thing to me is to continue to allow each resident to continue to hunt deer each year. As an aside, leave the whitetail tags as is and unlimited in number so maybe more people will be encouraged to shoot whitetails if their favorite mule deer zone sells out
The total number of non-resident elk tags and deer tags sold in Idaho each year was set long ago, the number of tags has not increased or decreased for nearly 30 years. None of the recent actions by F&G have changed overall non-resident tag numbers.
The move by IDFG in 2021 establishing non-resident deer tag quotas in each unit was due to non-resident hunter crowding in certain units. The total number of tags sold statewide remained the same but unit quotas force more even non-resident hunter distribution across all units in the state by limiting non-res hunters to 10%-15% in each unit, thereby reducing non-resident crowding in certain units where it was a problem.
IMO: Non-resident deer and elk tags are already essentially on a draw in Idaho, when you get in line at sales locations your position in line determines if you will get tags, when you are placed in the waiting room online your randomly assigned number dictates if you will get a tag or not get a tag. Due to increasing numbers of non-residents wanting to hunt Idaho the F&G has tried to come up with a system to provide non-residents a fair chance without implementing a draw, I commend them for that. But with ever increasing numbers of non-residents wanting to hunt Idaho I think HB 587 has a good chance of becoming law. With ever increasing numbers of non-residents wanting tags a draw may actually be a fairer way to distribute non-resident tags and F&G will likely increase funding through increased license and application sales associated with a draw, so they may support the bill, that is an unknown at this time. However, I think these are only band-aids for smaller issues, there's a much larger problem that IDFG faces!
The Real Elephant In The Room:
1,391,802...Idaho Population in 2004
1,964,726...Idaho Population in 2023
572,924 Population Increase From 2004 to 2023 (41% increase)
USFWS says 15.9% of people in Idaho hunt. A recent survey revealed that 1 in 10 people moving to Idaho cited a primary reason was for hunting. I couldn't find an exact number of resident licenses sold in 2023, but these two metrics suggest there may be anywhere from 57,000 to 91,000 more resident hunters in Idaho today than there was in 2004.
Eventually F&G will be forced to limit resident hunters in some manner and I have been told by people who would know that its already being discussed.
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Post by: Taco280AI on February 23, 2024, 09:06:27 AM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on February 23, 2024, 09:11:05 AM
Idaho: Don’t change a thing please! Current system works well for my hunting group. If you do change add points so we can plan on every other year like MT.Between the 3 different forums I’ve seen this bill posted, this is the first comment out of a couple hundred that’s been Pro Points system lol
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 23, 2024, 09:39:11 AM
Do you really want to continue down that slippery slope? More restrictions? Which will later become even more.Yes, I would prefer we make a change now that may be slightly more restrictive rather than waiting until a large change such as draw only for residents is on the table
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Post by: bearpaw on February 23, 2024, 10:26:59 AM
Idaho Non-Resident Tag NumbersI am personally a big proponent that we need deer zones like our current elk zone system. Continues to allow all residents to hunt but limits the amount of unit hopping that people can do. Some zones with quotas, others unlimited. The most important thing to me is to continue to allow each resident to continue to hunt deer each year. As an aside, leave the whitetail tags as is and unlimited in number so maybe more people will be encouraged to shoot whitetails if their favorite mule deer zone sells out
The total number of non-resident elk tags and deer tags sold in Idaho each year was set long ago, the number of tags has not increased or decreased for nearly 30 years. None of the recent actions by F&G have changed overall non-resident tag numbers.
The move by IDFG in 2021 establishing non-resident deer tag quotas in each unit was due to non-resident hunter crowding in certain units. The total number of tags sold statewide remained the same but unit quotas force more even non-resident hunter distribution across all units in the state by limiting non-res hunters to 10%-15% in each unit, thereby reducing non-resident crowding in certain units where it was a problem.
IMO: Non-resident deer and elk tags are already essentially on a draw in Idaho, when you get in line at sales locations your position in line determines if you will get tags, when you are placed in the waiting room online your randomly assigned number dictates if you will get a tag or not get a tag. Due to increasing numbers of non-residents wanting to hunt Idaho the F&G has tried to come up with a system to provide non-residents a fair chance without implementing a draw, I commend them for that. But with ever increasing numbers of non-residents wanting to hunt Idaho I think HB 587 has a good chance of becoming law. With ever increasing numbers of non-residents wanting tags a draw may actually be a fairer way to distribute non-resident tags and F&G will likely increase funding through increased license and application sales associated with a draw, so they may support the bill, that is an unknown at this time. However, I think these are only band-aids for smaller issues, there's a much larger problem that IDFG faces!
The Real Elephant In The Room:
1,391,802...Idaho Population in 2004
1,964,726...Idaho Population in 2023
572,924 Population Increase From 2004 to 2023 (41% increase)
USFWS says 15.9% of people in Idaho hunt. A recent survey revealed that 1 in 10 people moving to Idaho cited a primary reason was for hunting. I couldn't find an exact number of resident licenses sold in 2023, but these two metrics suggest there may be anywhere from 57,000 to 91,000 more resident hunters in Idaho today than there was in 2004.
Eventually F&G will be forced to limit resident hunters in some manner and I have been told by people who would know that its already being discussed.
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I highly doubt they would make residents draw all deer and elk tags, I'm more inclined to think deer zones or some sort of season reductions or limitations on mule deer are more likely to happen. There is already increasing limitations on mule deer harvest in many units. Elk numbers and whitetail numbers are strong outside of the wolf infested areas, I doubt they are considering any serious limitations for residents on elk or whitetail.
Post by: huntnnw on February 23, 2024, 10:49:21 AM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 23, 2024, 10:50:34 AM
It’s coming for Idaho residents. Simply cannot keep adding residents and operating the same as 50 years ago.This is exactly my point, and why we need to limit residents in some way without going to a draw only system
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Post by: boneaddict on February 23, 2024, 11:51:01 AM
Moose, goat,
sheep
Cap the number of permit available to out-of-state residents (e.g., 10%)
Not necessary
current number is
already lower.
Post by: dreamingbig on February 23, 2024, 02:22:13 PM
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Post by: baldopepper on February 23, 2024, 04:03:59 PM
I'm betting Idaho.will be on a draw system for residents within the next few years. How do you.limit participation without loosing money? Simply go to a drawing system, insist you must buy a license before applying, and then tack on an application fee. You kill two birds with one stone- you limit participation and you actually make more money. Too tempting for western states game departments to pass up.It’s coming for Idaho residents. Simply cannot keep adding residents and operating the same as 50 years ago.This is exactly my point, and why we need to limit residents in some way without going to a draw only system
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Post by: TeacherMan on February 23, 2024, 04:11:34 PM
I'm betting Idaho.will be on a draw system for residents within the next few years. How do you.limit participation without loosing money? Simply go to a drawing system, insist you must buy a license before applying, and then tack on an application fee. You kill two birds with one stone- you limit participation and you actually make more money. Too tempting for western states game departments to pass up.It’s coming for Idaho residents. Simply cannot keep adding residents and operating the same as 50 years ago.This is exactly my point, and why we need to limit residents in some way without going to a draw only system
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That’s a pretty big jump but it definitely would give me fuel to move back to AK 😂
I think doing out of state tags this way will be a good thing coming from a resident point of view. Same amount of tags sold but computer pirates will be able to buy them from their office desk. A lot less effort! Come hunting season a good chunk will still be sitting at those desks and either not get to go or only go for a couple days. Just my hopes lol…
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 23, 2024, 06:34:16 PM
I'm betting Idaho.will be on a draw system for residents within the next few years. How do you.limit participation without loosing money? Simply go to a drawing system, insist you must buy a license before applying, and then tack on an application fee. You kill two birds with one stone- you limit participation and you actually make more money. Too tempting for western states game departments to pass up.It’s coming for Idaho residents. Simply cannot keep adding residents and operating the same as 50 years ago.This is exactly my point, and why we need to limit residents in some way without going to a draw only system
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Go to a point system for non residents and double the price. Then lower the tag number in half. Charge them 100 dollars a point. Punishing residents isn’t the answer.
Post by: ipkus on February 23, 2024, 06:54:46 PM
As someone who’s been in the game in 9 states for going on 30 years, I can say with certainty that I’d prefer if points didn’t exist and every state was a random draw every year. I've had a lot of great hunts playing the game, but my kids and yours are screwed because of it.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 23, 2024, 07:50:42 PM
I'm betting Idaho.will be on a draw system for residents within the next few years. How do you.limit participation without loosing money? Simply go to a drawing system, insist you must buy a license before applying, and then tack on an application fee. You kill two birds with one stone- you limit participation and you actually make more money. Too tempting for western states game departments to pass up.It’s coming for Idaho residents. Simply cannot keep adding residents and operating the same as 50 years ago.This is exactly my point, and why we need to limit residents in some way without going to a draw only system
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Go to a point system for non residents and double the price. Then lower the tag number in half. Charge them 100 dollars a point. Punishing residents isn’t the answer.
I don’t think it would be a punishment for residents if they were limited to a portion of the state rather than the current free for all model. The population of Idaho is simply growing too fast.
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Post by: dvolmer on February 24, 2024, 10:52:32 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on February 24, 2024, 12:35:58 PM
Just been reading all of the posts on here. Interesting. I will say that I could see this coming ten miles away with the crazy way they have done it the past few years. My guess is that you will see some kind of point system emerge for NR hunters and draws for most NR hunts in some form or fashion. It’s not just the massive population increase that is pushing all of this. Yes, it is a major factor, but Idaho sees the revenue that Wyoming, Montana, and other states systems are generating in NR licenses and point systems. They want their piece of that fat pie too! And they will get it too. Ya gotta love all these new companies (GoHunt, HuntingFool, etc, etc) spoon-feeding the idiots on how to draw and get tags. It is a major force behind this exponential demand increase we have had in the last 5 or so years. Man I love the internet!!!I think WDFW mismanagement of our state has far more to do with the demand increase in Idaho than GoHunt, HuntingFool, etc does. HuntingFool has been around a lot longer than the last 5 years. I think I still have some of the magazines from 2000 or somewhere in there.
Post by: dvolmer on February 24, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
I agree that this is another major factor. It definitely is a combination of a lot of things. Washington hunting is in the tank for sure and guys are looking elsewhere for a decent experience.Just been reading all of the posts on here. Interesting. I will say that I could see this coming ten miles away with the crazy way they have done it the past few years. My guess is that you will see some kind of point system emerge for NR hunters and draws for most NR hunts in some form or fashion. It’s not just the massive population increase that is pushing all of this. Yes, it is a major factor, but Idaho sees the revenue that Wyoming, Montana, and other states systems are generating in NR licenses and point systems. They want their piece of that fat pie too! And they will get it too. Ya gotta love all these new companies (GoHunt, HuntingFool, etc, etc) spoon-feeding the idiots on how to draw and get tags. It is a major force behind this exponential demand increase we have had in the last 5 or so years. Man I love the internet!!!I think WDFW mismanagement of our state has far more to do with the demand increase in Idaho than GoHunt, HuntingFool, etc does. HuntingFool has been around a lot longer than the last 5 years. I think I still have some of the magazines from 2000 or somewhere in there.
Post by: huntnnw on February 24, 2024, 02:29:06 PM
I'm betting Idaho.will be on a draw system for residents within the next few years. How do you.limit participation without loosing money? Simply go to a drawing system, insist you must buy a license before applying, and then tack on an application fee. You kill two birds with one stone- you limit participation and you actually make more money. Too tempting for western states game departments to pass up.It’s coming for Idaho residents. Simply cannot keep adding residents and operating the same as 50 years ago.This is exactly my point, and why we need to limit residents in some way without going to a draw only system
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Go to a point system for non residents and double the price. Then lower the tag number in half. Charge them 100 dollars a point. Punishing residents isn’t the answer.
That fixes nothing! The non resident quota hasn’t changed in 40 plus years. There’s been 12,700 or so elk tags for example. So your saying cut them to 6k? In 5 years the new “ residents” moving to Idaho will exceed 6k you cut. The problem is Idaho resident hunting pressure keeps going up every year! And Idaho has done nothing to limit hunting pressure simply cannot continue to operate as you did in 1980. 990,000 have moved to Idaho since 1990.
Post by: idaho guy on February 24, 2024, 03:21:16 PM
I'm betting Idaho.will be on a draw system for residents within the next few years. How do you.limit participation without loosing money? Simply go to a drawing system, insist you must buy a license before applying, and then tack on an application fee. You kill two birds with one stone- you limit participation and you actually make more money. Too tempting for western states game departments to pass up.It’s coming for Idaho residents. Simply cannot keep adding residents and operating the same as 50 years ago.This is exactly my point, and why we need to limit residents in some way without going to a draw only system
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Go to a point system for non residents and double the price. Then lower the tag number in half. Charge them 100 dollars a point. Punishing residents isn’t the answer.
That fixes nothing! The non resident quota hasn’t changed in 40 plus years. There’s been 12,700 or so elk tags for example. So your saying cut them to 6k? In 5 years the new “ residents” moving to Idaho will exceed 6k you cut. The problem is Idaho resident hunting pressure keeps going up every year! And Idaho has done nothing to limit hunting pressure simply cannot continue to operate as you did in 1980. 990,000 have moved to Idaho since 1990.
i agree with huntnw. The problem is new resident pressure. Idfg will have to make some changes for residents. It sucks but is reality. like you said Non resident pressure hasnt changed for 40 years. Would have been nice to leave non res otc but it was getting a little chaotic ha ha. So many people complained it was inevitable they would at least propose a draw alternative. Ironically I think demand will go up signifigantly when/if it goes draw. Hunting fool, go hunt will be trying to "educate" everyone on the draw and offering to add Idaho to their draw "strategy" Also get ready for every inflencer social media guy to do a podcat every day on the new Idaho draw! More hunters will put in if it goes draw, as hunters will be sold on it by all the variouse companies and people making money off draws and out of state hunting
Post by: baldopepper on February 24, 2024, 04:11:40 PM
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Post by: dilleytech on February 25, 2024, 01:53:52 PM
Post by: dilleytech on February 25, 2024, 02:02:28 PM
Idaho: Don’t change a thing please! Current system works well for my hunting group. If you do change add points so we can plan on every other year like MT.Between the 3 different forums I’ve seen this bill posted, this is the first comment out of a couple hundred that’s been Pro Points system lol
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I would be a pro wyoming style draw. You look at the unit you want to hunt, see how many points it takes to draw, buy points every fall and plan. It’s simple and you can plan your hunts many years in advance. Right now you can hunt Wyoming every year or every other year for deer if you want to. I like that. I feel Like without driving to Idaho and standing in line all night I don't even have Idaho as an option.
Post by: 2MANY on February 25, 2024, 02:43:17 PM
Classic government these days.
Post by: dvolmer on February 26, 2024, 06:39:43 PM
Enabling the ones that don't put forth the effort to reap the rewards.Bingo!!! Nailed it!!!
Classic government these days.
Post by: ipkus on February 26, 2024, 07:38:18 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 26, 2024, 07:48:57 PM
:yeah:Enabling the ones that don't put forth the effort to reap the rewards.Bingo!!! Nailed it!!!
Classic government these days.
Post by: baldopepper on February 26, 2024, 08:10:31 PM
nonsense! It's a money thing again. Instead of just selling 12,000 ( or whatever the number is) non resident tags they can still sell em but probably get twice that amount from people buying a license and paying the application fee hoping to draw. That's more of a government thing these days. Pretty confident they'll be no refund if you don't draw:yeah:Enabling the ones that don't put forth the effort to reap the rewards.Bingo!!! Nailed it!!!
Classic government these days.
Post by: huntnnw on February 26, 2024, 10:15:39 PM
Post by: dilleytech on February 27, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
Enabling the ones that don't put forth the effort to reap the rewards.
Classic government these days.
If you like Idaho the way it is I assume you think we should make every state similar? So if you want to hunt Alaska, you have to fly to Alaska, stand in line and have a 50/50 chance of getting a tag?
I think giving everyone in the country a similar chance to get a tag online is a good thing. Washington residents shouldn’t have the special privilege to hunt Idaho. Just because we are next door.
Post by: HillHound on February 27, 2024, 07:53:06 AM
guaranteed there is no license refund and why would they do that? the demand far exceeds the people who will not choose to buy a license and not hunt Idaho. I will always buy one and will always get a tag.If you have to pay upfront I think they will continue to be a refund. Much like putting in for moose. I don’t think anybody would be putting up the 2500 bucks or whatever it is up to now if you didn’t get that back when you didn’t draw, I sure as hell wouldn’t be. A few years of not drawing your moose, deer, elk, etc in Idaho with no refunds and you could have just paid for your guaranteed Canada trip. However you see it definitely time to have more than one or two states on your radar if we plan on hunting every year now. Sure is depressing
Post by: Born2late on February 27, 2024, 08:00:14 AM
I hunt Alaska and Idaho and you can pickup the phone and call to buy tags from both states. Someone in Texas has just as good of chance calling and buying tags as a person from Washington. I have always got my tags for Idaho by being ready to call when they open. I hate that they are switching it. We have a long standing tradition of hunting the same spot with family from 3 different states and have had up to 12 people in our camp sometimes hunting. All the grandkids got to hunt with their grandparents. I don’t see us continuing this. We started there in the late 60’s and have hunted there every year. Part way through we started having every one sign the ceiling of the wall tent and put there shots up there, the memories for our families where always about looking forward to every one getting together for this hunt.Enabling the ones that don't put forth the effort to reap the rewards.
Classic government these days.
If you like Idaho the way it is I assume you think we should make every state similar? So if you want to hunt Alaska, you have to fly to Alaska, stand in line and have a 50/50 chance of getting a tag?
I think giving everyone in the country a similar chance to get a tag online is a good thing. Washington residents shouldn’t have the special privilege to hunt Idaho. Just because we are next door.
Know because they want it to be “fair” we will probably not be able to continue because I don’t see a group of twelve being able to draw together and family is not going to want to fly from Alaska down here for their one week of hunting to watch the other adults or kids hunt. Time is limited on being able to get kids out to have a opportunity to hunt and this will only break up families that teach their next generation hunting skills and lessons from past hunts written on the ceiling.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 27, 2024, 10:02:11 AM
the license portion will absolutely be non refundable. They likely won't collect for the tag portion up front. Most states don't. Purchasing a qualifying license to apply isn't a new thing. States like UT, CO, NV, and AZ to name a few already do this. So everyone be ready to be out $185 for their big game license plus $15 app fee to apply in IDguaranteed there is no license refund and why would they do that? the demand far exceeds the people who will not choose to buy a license and not hunt Idaho. I will always buy one and will always get a tag.If you have to pay upfront I think they will continue to be a refund. Much like putting in for moose. I don’t think anybody would be putting up the 2500 bucks or whatever it is up to now if you didn’t get that back when you didn’t draw, I sure as hell wouldn’t be. A few years of not drawing your moose, deer, elk, etc in Idaho with no refunds and you could have just paid for your guaranteed Canada trip. However you see it definitely time to have more than one or two states on your radar if we plan on hunting every year now. Sure is depressing
Post by: vandeman17 on February 27, 2024, 10:12:33 AM
the license portion will absolutely be non refundable. They likely won't collect for the tag portion up front. Most states don't. Purchasing a qualifying license to apply isn't a new thing. States like UT, CO, NV, and AZ to name a few already do this. So everyone be ready to be out $185 for their big game license plus $15 app fee to apply in IDguaranteed there is no license refund and why would they do that? the demand far exceeds the people who will not choose to buy a license and not hunt Idaho. I will always buy one and will always get a tag.If you have to pay upfront I think they will continue to be a refund. Much like putting in for moose. I don’t think anybody would be putting up the 2500 bucks or whatever it is up to now if you didn’t get that back when you didn’t draw, I sure as hell wouldn’t be. A few years of not drawing your moose, deer, elk, etc in Idaho with no refunds and you could have just paid for your guaranteed Canada trip. However you see it definitely time to have more than one or two states on your radar if we plan on hunting every year now. Sure is depressing
:yeah: There are plenty of states, like Oregon, that you have to buy a license just to buy a point even if you don't apply.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 27, 2024, 10:16:42 AM
Difference will likely be that ID won't (hopefully) have a points system so you'll be paying $200 just for the opportunity to apply.the license portion will absolutely be non refundable. They likely won't collect for the tag portion up front. Most states don't. Purchasing a qualifying license to apply isn't a new thing. States like UT, CO, NV, and AZ to name a few already do this. So everyone be ready to be out $185 for their big game license plus $15 app fee to apply in IDguaranteed there is no license refund and why would they do that? the demand far exceeds the people who will not choose to buy a license and not hunt Idaho. I will always buy one and will always get a tag.If you have to pay upfront I think they will continue to be a refund. Much like putting in for moose. I don’t think anybody would be putting up the 2500 bucks or whatever it is up to now if you didn’t get that back when you didn’t draw, I sure as hell wouldn’t be. A few years of not drawing your moose, deer, elk, etc in Idaho with no refunds and you could have just paid for your guaranteed Canada trip. However you see it definitely time to have more than one or two states on your radar if we plan on hunting every year now. Sure is depressing
:yeah: There are plenty of states, like Oregon, that you have to buy a license just to buy a point even if you don't apply.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 27, 2024, 10:37:26 AM
Meanwhile, while checking this bill out, I also saw another bill.......... Who wants to buy a hunting license to shed hunt?
"Bill Description: House Bill 586 would require nonresidents to procure a hunting license before collecting, possessing, or transporting antlers or horns from deer, elk, moose, or pronghorn. "
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 27, 2024, 10:48:09 AM
Plenty of people will still carry on as usual....
And Idaho is just catching up to other Western States..Cool thing is if non residents protest and don't buy licenses and tags residents are ready and willing to pick up the slack.. :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 27, 2024, 10:53:03 AM
Your not going to hurt Idaho by refusing to buy a license.They say that but in reality time and time again across the west residents get out the pitch forks any time there is a mention of price increases.
Plenty of people will still carry on as usual....
And Idaho is just catching up to other Western States..Cool thing is if non residents protest and don't buy licenses and tags residents are ready and willing to pick up the slack.. :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 27, 2024, 10:55:33 AM
If Idaho goes to a draw for non res, I'll quit hunting there. As it is, I spend $1,500-$2000 a year to hunt there. That will all go bye bye if they try to collect more from me in the way of fees, just to maybe get drawn for a tag. The only way to hurt them is to refuse to play their game and cost them money.what's alarming about that one is the wording is very vague. So will we now need a NR hunting license to bring antlers and horns through the state coming from other states? Everyone coming back from MT now needs an ID hunting license to bring back the rack from their buck or bull to WA? :dunno:
Meanwhile, while checking this bill out, I also saw another bill.......... Who wants to buy a hunting license to shed hunt?
"Bill Description: House Bill 586 would require nonresidents to procure a hunting license before collecting, possessing, or transporting antlers or horns from deer, elk, moose, or pronghorn. "
Post by: Rob on February 27, 2024, 10:55:48 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on February 27, 2024, 11:05:18 AM
Difference will likely be that ID won't (hopefully) have a points system so you'll be paying $200 just for the opportunity to apply.the license portion will absolutely be non refundable. They likely won't collect for the tag portion up front. Most states don't. Purchasing a qualifying license to apply isn't a new thing. States like UT, CO, NV, and AZ to name a few already do this. So everyone be ready to be out $185 for their big game license plus $15 app fee to apply in IDguaranteed there is no license refund and why would they do that? the demand far exceeds the people who will not choose to buy a license and not hunt Idaho. I will always buy one and will always get a tag.If you have to pay upfront I think they will continue to be a refund. Much like putting in for moose. I don’t think anybody would be putting up the 2500 bucks or whatever it is up to now if you didn’t get that back when you didn’t draw, I sure as hell wouldn’t be. A few years of not drawing your moose, deer, elk, etc in Idaho with no refunds and you could have just paid for your guaranteed Canada trip. However you see it definitely time to have more than one or two states on your radar if we plan on hunting every year now. Sure is depressing
:yeah: There are plenty of states, like Oregon, that you have to buy a license just to buy a point even if you don't apply.
Correct but just stating that non-refundable license requirements are out there in plenty of states
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 27, 2024, 11:15:16 AM
Your not going to hurt Idaho by refusing to buy a license.They say that but in reality time and time again across the west residents get out the pitch forks any time there is a mention of price increases.
Plenty of people will still carry on as usual....
And Idaho is just catching up to other Western States..Cool thing is if non residents protest and don't buy licenses and tags residents are ready and willing to pick up the slack.. :tup:
Oh I agree
But residents would be happy as heck if non residents didn't buy up all the tags
Like years past residents don't hesitate to buy left over non resident tags
.
Post by: baldopepper on February 27, 2024, 12:23:25 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 27, 2024, 12:40:09 PM
Your not going to hurt Idaho by refusing to buy a license.
Plenty of people will still carry on as usual....
And Idaho is just catching up to other Western States..Cool thing is if non residents protest and don't buy licenses and tags residents are ready and willing to pick up the slack.. :tup:
Residents won't stay in the hotels I stay in or eat at the restaurants I stay in or make up the money I spend in stores. They are already spending all they will spend on hunting. It's not just about tags, and licenses. And are those residents that may pick up a leftover non resident tag going to buy the non res license I would have bought?
Post by: dvolmer on February 27, 2024, 02:10:07 PM
You will see a draw system for non-residents for sure. No question. You will also see some kind of preference/bonus point system with some random draw options maybe. All of the tags will still get sold. Businesses will not be affected. The few that will ACTUALLY drop out will have no effect on Idaho's revenue stream due to all of the extra money they will make on their new draw and point system.
This is not what I want or advocate for. Its just me being a realist and seeing things the way they are and not as I would want or wish them to be. Us nonresidents really have no say in the matter or does Idaho really care what we think. Their law making politicians only think and worry about what their resident voters think. Doesn't take much to have seen this coming for sure for a few years now. Im just amazed it has taken them this long.
Post by: baldopepper on February 27, 2024, 03:23:06 PM
Look at your sister state Utah They've gone to an all draw system for deer and while there are 250 000 resident license holders there will be only 65 ,000 draw only tags available
Of course if you want to.hunt you can purchase a cwmu permit, buy an auction tag or hope to draw one of their many le tags.For the 5th straight year they have cut back the number of regular draw tags available.
Post by: pickardjw on February 27, 2024, 03:54:07 PM
If it doesn't pass, I'll be in person next year buying for me and all my buddies. It's on a Sunday. I imagine the license sales locations will look like downtown Seattle with all the tents that whole weekend.
Post by: vandeman17 on February 27, 2024, 04:03:36 PM
Guys, its all coming! Did Wyoming and Montana get hurt when points were introduced? No, And neither will Idaho. Demand is through the roof! I hate to see it but be realistic, Idaho is watching and seeing the success in Wyoming and other western states. Idaho's current system is broken. The nonsense that happens in December is crazy! Guys driving to Idaho just to apply and get better chances than others just to have some guy in front of you in line pull out a sheet of paper to apply for his Wife, kids, uncles, aunts, brothers, cousins, and all of his hunting buddies that takes an hour and a half with everyone behind him in line getting screwed while waiting. Or the guys trying to get in the system with their computers, phones, wife phone, lap top, and I-pad all trying to get at least one device through to get a place in line. Then to watch the system crash. Totally nuts and crazy crap! A few guys have found ways to beat the system and aren't happy that it is changing because they can get what they want every year currently.
You will see a draw system for non-residents for sure. No question. You will also see some kind of preference/bonus point system with some random draw options maybe. All of the tags will still get sold. Businesses will not be affected. The few that will ACTUALLY drop out will have no effect on Idaho's revenue stream due to all of the extra money they will make on their new draw and point system.
This is not what I want or advocate for. Its just me being a realist and seeing things the way they are and not as I would want or wish them to be. Us nonresidents really have no say in the matter or does Idaho really care what we think. Their law making politicians only think and worry about what their resident voters think. Doesn't take much to have seen this coming for sure for a few years now. Im just amazed it has taken them this long.
I would agree with this. No state wants to be missing out on low hanging fruit as far as revenue is concerned.
Post by: Bigshooter on February 27, 2024, 04:26:12 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 27, 2024, 04:37:45 PM
A no-point system, random draw where NR are required to purchase a hunting license up front (refundable if not drawn) and can apply as a group seems like a common sense change. Eliminates the in-person loophole, people on multiple devices, and people that buy tags just to turn them back in later. Of course this is just the framework and not the actual details of the draw system.There is exactly ZERO chance they are refunding license costs. They have never refunded license costs for unsuccessful applicants and they never will because they don't have to.
If it doesn't pass, I'll be in person next year buying for me and all my buddies. It's on a Sunday. I imagine the license sales locations will look like downtown Seattle with all the tents that whole weekend.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 27, 2024, 06:27:16 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 27, 2024, 07:00:28 PM
Post by: pickardjw on February 27, 2024, 08:43:31 PM
A no-point system, random draw where NR are required to purchase a hunting license up front (refundable if not drawn) and can apply as a group seems like a common sense change. Eliminates the in-person loophole, people on multiple devices, and people that buy tags just to turn them back in later. Of course this is just the framework and not the actual details of the draw system.There is exactly ZERO chance they are refunding license costs. They have never refunded license costs for unsuccessful applicants and they never will because they don't have to.
If it doesn't pass, I'll be in person next year buying for me and all my buddies. It's on a Sunday. I imagine the license sales locations will look like downtown Seattle with all the tents that whole weekend.
:dunno: even better now that I think about it. Will weed out the people that aren't serious about hunting in Idaho that year.
Post by: addicted1 on February 27, 2024, 10:06:44 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 27, 2024, 10:16:11 PM
I can’t believe how ignorant some of you are. Advocating for a draw system vs OTC? Get out of here, if you can’t figure out how to play the game with the current system shame on you. Idaho was a great place for NR, that you could get a tag for every year if you wanted. Sure seemed like the game department did their best trying to keep the old system and satisfy their residents. But, when you have NR and resident scream at you over the same crap it sure makes for an easy solution. This is not a win for any NR imo.
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 28, 2024, 05:28:25 AM
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??
With a draw I won’t be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. That’s the change. It won’t hurt nonres who haven’t figured out how to get tags.
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 28, 2024, 05:50:19 AM
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??
With a draw I won’t be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. That’s the change. It won’t hurt nonres who haven’t figured out how to get tags.
Hunting every year will still be possible.
Way to many variables at this point. If it goes to draw will you get 2 or 4 choices.
Depending on your unit choices, I think most people will still get tags. Right now with the cluster on Dec 1 there's so many new people trying to hunt Idaho when their turn comes up they just throw a dart and pick a unit... often never having set foot in it..
The popular units will obviously be difficult to draw...but I'd say a majority will get first choice.
As for having it figured out...it's only a matter of time before other people figure out what you did..my buddies had it figured out... figured out enough to buy property where they've hunted for 15 plus years... until this year when other people caught on, and they didn't get tags..
I don't think to many are advocating for the draw system... I'd would of rather seen them take other steps first...no group buying, no in person...but in reality Idaho is just catching up to other Western States...and they aren't concerned with hurting the feelings of some non res guys...for every one that decides to boycott Idaho 10 more are waiting to go..
Post by: huntnnw on February 28, 2024, 06:06:32 AM
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??
With a draw I won’t be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. That’s the change. It won’t hurt nonres who haven’t figured out how to get tags.
Oh you could easily depending upon units. And if you can hunt every year now then you were not after the tags that were sold in minutes which means you could buy tags throughout out the return process.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 28, 2024, 08:38:48 AM
I agree. I'm still 1000% against a draw but if they do implement one there should definitely be a license fee to apply :twocents:A no-point system, random draw where NR are required to purchase a hunting license up front (refundable if not drawn) and can apply as a group seems like a common sense change. Eliminates the in-person loophole, people on multiple devices, and people that buy tags just to turn them back in later. Of course this is just the framework and not the actual details of the draw system.There is exactly ZERO chance they are refunding license costs. They have never refunded license costs for unsuccessful applicants and they never will because they don't have to.
If it doesn't pass, I'll be in person next year buying for me and all my buddies. It's on a Sunday. I imagine the license sales locations will look like downtown Seattle with all the tents that whole weekend.
:dunno: even better now that I think about it. Will weed out the people that aren't serious about hunting in Idaho that year.
Post by: pickardjw on February 28, 2024, 09:45:54 AM
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??
With a draw I won’t be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. That’s the change. It won’t hurt nonres who haven’t figured out how to get tags.
Hunting every year will still be possible.
Way to many variables at this point. If it goes to draw will you get 2 or 4 choices.
Depending on your unit choices, I think most people will still get tags. Right now with the cluster on Dec 1 there's so many new people trying to hunt Idaho when their turn comes up they just throw a dart and pick a unit... often never having set foot in it..
The popular units will obviously be difficult to draw...but I'd say a majority will get first choice.
As for having it figured out...it's only a matter of time before other people figure out what you did..my buddies had it figured out... figured out enough to buy property where they've hunted for 15 plus years... until this year when other people caught on, and they didn't get tags..
I don't think to many are advocating for the draw system... I'd would of rather seen them take other steps first...no group buying, no in person...but in reality Idaho is just catching up to other Western States...and they aren't concerned with hurting the feelings of some non res guys...for every one that decides to boycott Idaho 10 more are waiting to go..
Yeah I'd say most would rather they just fix the bugs in the current system.
Post by: vandeman17 on February 28, 2024, 09:54:42 AM
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??
With a draw I won’t be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. That’s the change. It won’t hurt nonres who haven’t figured out how to get tags.
Hunting every year will still be possible.
Way to many variables at this point. If it goes to draw will you get 2 or 4 choices.
Depending on your unit choices, I think most people will still get tags. Right now with the cluster on Dec 1 there's so many new people trying to hunt Idaho when their turn comes up they just throw a dart and pick a unit... often never having set foot in it..
The popular units will obviously be difficult to draw...but I'd say a majority will get first choice.
As for having it figured out...it's only a matter of time before other people figure out what you did..my buddies had it figured out... figured out enough to buy property where they've hunted for 15 plus years... until this year when other people caught on, and they didn't get tags..
I don't think to many are advocating for the draw system... I'd would of rather seen them take other steps first...no group buying, no in person...but in reality Idaho is just catching up to other Western States...and they aren't concerned with hurting the feelings of some non res guys...for every one that decides to boycott Idaho 10 more are waiting to go..
Yeah I'd say most would rather they just fix the bugs in the current system.
Bugs and "loopholes"
Post by: kentrek on February 28, 2024, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 28, 2024, 11:51:57 AM
While I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflatedIf they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.
Post by: kentrek on February 28, 2024, 02:34:20 PM
While I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflatedIf they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.
It's that or have two draws, be an easy way to cut down demand and stop guys like me from getting a Gen deer tag as simply a back up tag to my other hunts
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 28, 2024, 02:40:01 PM
This right here is part of my concern with the future of resident hunters. As it is now we have our general deer and elk tags and we can choose what to apply for, be it OIL species or D,E,A. I will always choose OIL but what happens when they go to a draw for residents? It’s coming if we don’t do something which is why I think they need to go to a zone model for deer for the residents to spread hunting pressure out and hopefully hold off a draw in the future. All of the extra pressure isn’t coming from nonresidents, it’s coming from new residents and the reality is that we all seem to have more free time now and it is nothing for guys to chase seasons across the state wherever they’re open now, I’ve been guilty myself. I wonder if we had zone tags if some guys might be more successful due to the fact they will learn the area they’re hunting and not spread themselves as thin come seasonWhile I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflatedIf they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.
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Post by: huntnnw on February 28, 2024, 06:28:20 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 28, 2024, 09:26:20 PM
I’d say almost 0% chance of the general and permit being combined. No reason to and they wouldn’t fully maximize application fees and license sales. To me there will be window in November or December to apply . Month later the results post and everything is the same going forward . April and may there will be the first return/ underdrawn tag sale and so forth . Probably be a couple units that don’t draw outI agree they won't combine but as that bill is worded, there won't be any returned tag sale. "All tags must be obtained through a draw."
Post by: huntnnw on February 28, 2024, 10:22:55 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on February 29, 2024, 04:55:23 AM
there would have to be if you draw a LE tag and currently you can get a tag in ID and return it. There is all the left over outfitter tags in August up for sale. Guess we will see what happensSave them all for the 2nd draw in late august maybe?
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 29, 2024, 09:32:33 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2024, 12:43:30 PM
House Bill 587 (HB587) - Non-Resident Tag Purchase Bill
While HB587 has been printed, it has yet to be heard in Committee, and we have reason to expect that it may be replaced with a new, amended version soon.
Post by: TeacherMan on March 01, 2024, 12:51:25 PM
This is the latest I've heard regarding the bill:
House Bill 587 (HB587) - Non-Resident Tag Purchase Bill
While HB587 has been printed, it has yet to be heard in Committee, and we have reason to expect that it may be replaced with a new, amended version soon.
Be interesting to see how it plays out… As a resident id like to see something change. It’s complete chaos in town when they open sales up. Our gas station very much becomes overwhelmed 😂
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2024, 01:05:53 PM
This is the latest I've heard regarding the bill:
House Bill 587 (HB587) - Non-Resident Tag Purchase Bill
While HB587 has been printed, it has yet to be heard in Committee, and we have reason to expect that it may be replaced with a new, amended version soon.
Be interesting to see how it plays out… As a resident id like to see something change. It’s complete chaos in town when they open sales up. Our gas station very much becomes overwhelmed 😂
I figured the language was too generic and that more specific language would be considered. Yeah, every town close to the border statewide has that problem.
Post by: go4steelhd on March 03, 2024, 10:12:19 AM
I guess I feel the draw will be better, at least if you want to hunt with a buddy or a specific region your odds will likely be better than going online.
It will be interesting to see what it does to the trophy species odds, since you will have to choose if the OTC goes draw :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 07, 2024, 10:44:17 PM
NONRESIDENT TAGS AND PERMITS -- DEER, ELK, AND PRONGHORN ANTE-
LOPE. On and after November 15, 2026, any deer, elk, or pronghorn antelope
tag or permit will not be available for sale on a first-come, first-served
basis to a nonresident who is subject to a general hunt tag quota set pursuant
to section 36-408, Idaho Code, unless that tag is unclaimed, returned, or
otherwise unsold after being made available through at least one (1) drawing
or otherwise set aside as a tag for outfitted hunter use pursuant to section
36-408, Idaho Code. The fish and game commission is authorized to promulgate
rules to implement this section, subject to approval by the legislature.
SECTION 2. That Chapter 4, Title 36, Idaho Code, be, and the same is
hereby amended by the addition thereto of a NEW SECTION, to be known and des-
ignated as Section 36-419A, Idaho Code, and to read as follows:
36-419A. NONRESIDENT DRAW IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE. (1) There is
hereby created the nonresident draw implementation committee, which shall
meet as often as is necessary to develop a plan for implementing the provi-
sions of section 36-419, Idaho Code, including any recommended law and rule
changes, and shall deliver such plan to the Idaho legislature by January
13, 2025. The members of the committee shall serve at the pleasure of their
appointing authorities. The committee shall include:
(a) One (1) state representative appointed by the speaker of the house
of representatives;
(b) One (1) state senator appointed by the president pro tempore of the
senate;
(c) One (1) Idaho fish and game commissioner, appointed by the Idaho
fish and game commission;
(d) One (1) Idaho resident who holds a valid Idaho hunting license,
jointly appointed by the speaker of the house of representatives, the
president pro tempore of the senate, and the director of the Idaho de-
partment of fish and game;
(e) One (1) Idaho resident holding a valid license from the Idaho out-fitters and guides licensing board and who is a member of a bona fide Idaho outfitters and guides group, appointed jointly by the speaker of
the house of representatives and the president pro tempore of the senate; and
(f) One (1) Idaho resident holding a valid Idaho hunting license and who
is a member of a bona fide Idaho sportsmen's group, appointed jointly by
the speaker of the house of representatives, the president pro tempore
of the senate, and the director of the Idaho department of fish and game.
(2) The individuals appointed pursuant to subsection (1)(a) and (b) of
this section shall serve as the cochairs of the committee.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 07, 2024, 11:15:46 PM
Post by: kentrek on March 07, 2024, 11:32:36 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 08, 2024, 05:33:00 AM
And how are they going to work general tag draws into the mix of the actual special draws in June?I'm assuming that will be decided by the super committee of hand picked puppets that these legislators will cherry pick.
Post by: bearpaw on March 08, 2024, 07:06:02 AM
And how are they going to work general tag draws into the mix of the actual special draws in June?
The current application period for residents and nonresidents for deer and elk is May 1-30, I don't see anything changing that in the new language.
I figured there would be a language update to address the "too" generic language of the first bill, the new language seems to address most of the issues such as how to implement the change and a timeline among other things. Like many bills, there may be additional tweaks made in committee.
Post by: kentrek on March 08, 2024, 08:37:51 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 08, 2024, 08:45:20 AM
A big reason for idahos demand is because they are first up in the tag season...if they wait until May they will lose all there "customers" to other states:yeah:
Post by: 2MANY on March 08, 2024, 11:08:30 AM
Every office jockey will be applying and playing the new state sponsored gambling game.
Today's leaders continue to remove hard work from success and reward the lazy.
Soon you'll be playing the lottery to see who can hike up a trail.
AND don't worry,
The state and feds will charge you to enter the game because they NEVER do anything unless there's a reward in it for them.
Post by: Brushbuster on March 08, 2024, 12:18:17 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on August 12, 2024, 02:31:15 PM
Post by: 2MANY on August 12, 2024, 07:48:30 PM
They will not.
Every office jockey will be applying and playing the new state sponsored gambling game.
Today's leaders continue to remove hard work from success and reward the lazy.
Soon you'll be playing the lottery to see who can hike up a trail.
AND don't worry,
The state and feds will charge you to enter the game because they NEVER do anything unless there's a reward in it for them.
I was just reading this post thinking this dude is 100% correct.
Then I realized it was me.
Talk about an old fart!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 12, 2024, 08:23:33 PM
Too true ! Been there done that! Pull out a magazine from 3 months ago and read it again like its a new one. HahaThey will not.
Every office jockey will be applying and playing the new state sponsored gambling game.
Today's leaders continue to remove hard work from success and reward the lazy.
Soon you'll be playing the lottery to see who can hike up a trail.
AND don't worry,
The state and feds will charge you to enter the game because they NEVER do anything unless there's a reward in it for them.
I was just reading this post thinking this dude is 100% correct.
Then I realized it was me.
Talk about an old fart!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 12, 2024, 08:26:23 PM
Whoop!!!!
Post by: bearpaw on August 12, 2024, 09:24:06 PM
This right here is part of my concern with the future of resident hunters. As it is now we have our general deer and elk tags and we can choose what to apply for, be it OIL species or D,E,A. I will always choose OIL but what happens when they go to a draw for residents? It’s coming if we don’t do something which is why I think they need to go to a zone model for deer for the residents to spread hunting pressure out and hopefully hold off a draw in the future. All of the extra pressure isn’t coming from nonresidents, it’s coming from new residents and the reality is that we all seem to have more free time now and it is nothing for guys to chase seasons across the state wherever they’re open now, I’ve been guilty myself. I wonder if we had zone tags if some guys might be more successful due to the fact they will learn the area they’re hunting and not spread themselves as thin come seasonWhile I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflatedIf they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.
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I usually hear about any new ideas being discussed before they actually happen. I have heard no talk of a draw for residents, in fact the most recent comments on that subject is that they know residents do not want all deer tags to be by draw, so I'm 99% certain that's not going to happen. I think IDFG really does a great job of listening to resident input.
I have heard there has been discussion of some other type of restrictions on resident deer tags, I wouldn't be surprised to see zones or units for resident deer in the near future. Unit restrictions of nonresident hunters has given IDFG a lot more control over nonres hunter congestion, but I agree, the gorilla in the room is the ever increasing resident hunter numbers.
IDFG has created a new working group to specifically make recommendations on improving the nonres tag sales methods. No doubt there are going to be changes coming!
Post by: huntnnw on August 12, 2024, 10:28:05 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on August 13, 2024, 07:58:16 AM
Related - IDFG is looking at technology. They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.
Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever. It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above. Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity. While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns. I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.
Post by: vandeman17 on August 13, 2024, 08:13:46 AM
Post by: huntnnw on August 13, 2024, 08:17:45 AM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting
Related - IDFG is looking at technology. They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.
Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever. It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above. Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity. While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns. I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.
56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents
Post by: idahohuntr on August 13, 2024, 08:31:25 AM
I don't disagree - but its the politics...there will HAVE to be accompanying NR cuts to take anything from R's. If there is a single WA license plate observed anywhere in Idaho from Aug-December...the R's will cry foul! :chuckle:https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting
Related - IDFG is looking at technology. They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.
Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever. It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above. Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity. While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns. I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.
56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2024, 01:49:47 PM
I don't disagree - but its the politics...there will HAVE to be accompanying NR cuts to take anything from R's. If there is a single WA license plate observed anywhere in Idaho from Aug-December...the R's will cry foul! :chuckle:https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting
Related - IDFG is looking at technology. They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.
Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever. It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above. Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity. While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns. I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.
56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents
I agree with huntnnw, I'm willing to bet the NR quota isn't cut. Additionally I have not heard of any talk of reducing NR numbers within IDFG. There are certainly resident hunters who would like to shut out NR, thats nothing out of the norm, NR get the blame in every state, but I doubt its going to happen any time soon in Idaho unless it happened legislatively with a big increase in resident fees, and I don't see that happening any time soon either!
Post by: idahohuntr on August 13, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
Commissioners have recently discussed concerns about R's not getting higher demand OTC elk tags in the popular zones and lamenting the numbers going to NRs for those same zones. I don't think there will be a change to R or NR tag quotas or allocation in the near term. My only point...IF IDFG ever pursues something to reduce R opportunity, it will 1000% be accompanied by cuts to NRs. As you note, its not unique to Idaho...every state does it...just simple politics. Commissioners are also very aware of NR prices in other states, and some have the perception NR fees are way too low in Idaho given the demand they are seeing. I think at least two commissioners definitely see a path to cut NR quota and maintain revenue. But again, I don't see any changes happening imminently, except NR price increases...that's probably fairly likely given the pace of NR tag sales.I don't disagree - but its the politics...there will HAVE to be accompanying NR cuts to take anything from R's. If there is a single WA license plate observed anywhere in Idaho from Aug-December...the R's will cry foul! :chuckle:https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting
Related - IDFG is looking at technology. They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.
Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever. It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above. Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity. While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns. I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.
56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents
I agree with huntnnw, I'm willing to bet the NR quota isn't cut. Additionally I have not heard of any talk of reducing NR numbers within IDFG. There are certainly resident hunters who would like to shut out NR, thats nothing out of the norm, NR get the blame in every state, but I doubt its going to happen any time soon in Idaho unless it happened legislatively with a big increase in resident fees, and I don't see that happening any time soon either!
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2024, 04:23:06 PM
Commissioners have recently discussed concerns about R's not getting higher demand OTC elk tags in the popular zones and lamenting the numbers going to NRs for those same zones. I don't think there will be a change to R or NR tag quotas or allocation in the near term. My only point...IF IDFG ever pursues something to reduce R opportunity, it will 1000% be accompanied by cuts to NRs. As you note, its not unique to Idaho...every state does it...just simple politics. Commissioners are also very aware of NR prices in other states, and some have the perception NR fees are way too low in Idaho given the demand they are seeing. I think at least two commissioners definitely see a path to cut NR quota and maintain revenue. But again, I don't see any changes happening imminently, except NR price increases...that's probably fairly likely given the pace of NR tag sales.I don't disagree - but its the politics...there will HAVE to be accompanying NR cuts to take anything from R's. If there is a single WA license plate observed anywhere in Idaho from Aug-December...the R's will cry foul! :chuckle:https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting
Related - IDFG is looking at technology. They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.
Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever. It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above. Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity. While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns. I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.
56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents
I agree with huntnnw, I'm willing to bet the NR quota isn't cut. Additionally I have not heard of any talk of reducing NR numbers within IDFG. There are certainly resident hunters who would like to shut out NR, thats nothing out of the norm, NR get the blame in every state, but I doubt its going to happen any time soon in Idaho unless it happened legislatively with a big increase in resident fees, and I don't see that happening any time soon either!
I've also heard there is some concern and talk of reducing the NR percentage of tags in controlled hunts but I don't know how much traction that has, I think that would have to be done legislatively. I think residents are already getting 85% or 90% of controlled tags so there's not a lot to gain by taking away from NR.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 13, 2024, 04:39:23 PM
Post by: huntnnw on August 13, 2024, 07:05:01 PM