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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: kodiak10 on March 05, 2024, 08:41:22 AM
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Considering buying a 10mm handgun. I have shot smith and wesson m&ps and shoot them well, but I am concerned with reliability due to some folks complaining about failures to feed and other issues. Sounds like if you get a lemon your in for a real annoying game of troubleshoot and replacing springs and polishing the feed ramp. It's too bad since I really like the idea of this option minus the reliability.
Also considering the FN 510, I have the shot an FN in 45 and really liked it. Last option I have on the mind is Glock. Seems like the most practical and reliable choice, but overall I am not a huge glock fan.
Anyone have any strong options on this one haha? Favorites I should consider for woods carry and range shooting?
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Big glock fan here. They just work. My only complaint about the g20 is the grip is pretty wide for my hands. I gotta really hold on but practice makes perfect so it's not really a big issue.
The M&P fit my hands a lot better. Don't own one though so cannot speak to their reliability.
Good luck with whatever you end up with.
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G20 – big, bulky, ugly. Goes bang every time. I’ve never had a failure of any kind. Recoil is surprisingly tame.
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I love glocks. They reliably cycle almost every handgun caliber, and are about as accurate as the shooter. They take a beating easily and the components are cheap to replace or upgrade. There are better guns for dumping tons of ammo comfortably at the range. If you want an EDC, especially a hiking / hunting sidearm, I know what I recommend.
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Yeah, my buddies in Western MT have either the Glock 20 or 40. The other 10mm pistols seem like they have better ergonomics, but reliability is hard to overlook in my opinion.
I do have the Glock 43 and really like that gun. So convenient and never had any issues with it.
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Don't get a kimber but it sounds like that profile is not what you are after. Know a guy who bought their 10mm had to send back to the factory numerous times before it would cycle.
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G20 – big, bulky, ugly. Goes bang every time. I’ve never had a failure of any kind. Recoil is surprisingly tame.
:yeah: Also have a glock 17 gen 3 9mm same grip much cheaper to shoot matches the g20 grip
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My first 10 was a new G20 I bought from Carp a number of years ago. If I recall it was my first Glock. It was a solid piece at a reasonable price point that always went bang with anything I fed it and it shot well. Sold that one and shortly after bought a Sig 1911 10mm which I still have. I've shot a M&P and XD 10mm that I liked pretty well but there is just something about 1911's and how they feel in the hands that seems right about them. That's not to say any of the others are bad but 1911's always just feel right. I will say if I was looking for a woods backpack gun I'd take the Glock, M&P, or XD over my 1911 because of the mag capacity difference but for just shooting pleasure I like my Sig 1911 10mm better than any of the others I've shot.
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Considering buying a 10mm handgun. I have shot smith and wesson m&ps and shoot them well, but I am concerned with reliability due to some folks complaining about failures to feed and other issues. Sounds like if you get a lemon your in for a real annoying game of troubleshoot and replacing springs and polishing the feed ramp. It's too bad since I really like the idea of this option minus the reliability.
Also considering the FN 510, I have the shot an FN in 45 and really liked it. Last option I have on the mind is Glock. Seems like the most practical and reliable choice, but overall I am not a huge glock fan.
Anyone have any strong options on this one haha? Favorites I should consider for woods carry and range shooting?
Hey, where did you pick up on the negative press on the MP 10? I've had an MP 40 PC ported for a while, used it for work, before I retired I never had any issues. My son used MP 40 before the office we worked for recently went to all MP 9's with red dots. I know they are not 10s, but never had any issues.
My only experience is with HK USP 45 I carried for a while, then HK USP 40, then 1911 45, I had forgotten how heavy a 1911 was and went back to the HK 40, before going to the MP 40, (n my younger life I carried a 1911 for a long time).
Hard to beat the grip on a MP. I am 10mm curious, interested in any intel specifically on the MP 10.
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My fav is my Colt Delta Elite......I have a G20SF and a XDMElite. They all shoot great with no issues, my preference for woods carry is the XDM.
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Another vote for Glock 20 - zero issues! Always my go to for Montana archery with all the grizzlies around
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Dan Wesson Kodiak
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I have the Glock G40 10mm with the 6" barrel for my bear country gun. The slide on that thing soaks up so much recoil that heavy duty Buffalo Bore rounds are a pleasure to shoot (except for on the wallet). The only downside is with that extra length, it is not the quickest thing to pull from a chest holster and is just overall bigger and heavier than the G20.
If the size and weight will bother you, I'd recommend the G20. Those are the only 2 guns that would be on my list, though.
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G20
Hogue grips
Trijicon sights
Diamond D chest holster
I love it
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I like my g20. Always goes bang. Never shot any other 10mm. I think with a new set of sights and a timney trigger, I'd love it.
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One of my issues with Glocks and most other striker fired pistols has been their triggers. I never did anything with the trigger in my G20 but I did put an aftermarket trigger in my Gen4 G17 and I went from hating that particular gun to one that I actually really enjoy shooting now. I bought a Gen5 G19 not to long ago and the trigger in the Gen5's seem to be considerably better then the Gen4's. The trigger in my Gen5 G19 isn't quite as good as what I have in my G17 but it's close enough that I won't need to replace it so if the Gen5 G20's also have a better feeling trigger like my 19 does that would make the Gen5 G20 one I'd put higher on my list. The best factory trigger I've ever shot in a striker fired pistol has consistently been the M&P Performance Center stuff. The XD-M Elite has a very nice factory trigger in them as well.
Before you put your money down and buy one I highly recommend going to a range or two that has a variety of 10's you can rent and put a few rounds through as many different 10's as you can. It'll be money well spent and the only way you'll really know which one you like the best.
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Hey, where did you pick up on the negative press on the MP 10? I've had an MP 40 PC ported for a while, used it for work, before I retired I never had any issues. My son used MP 40 before the office we worked for recently went to all MP 9's with red dots. I know they are not 10s, but never had any issues.
My only experience is with HK USP 45 I carried for a while, then HK USP 40, then 1911 45, I had forgotten how heavy a 1911 was and went back to the HK 40, before going to the MP 40, (n my younger life I carried a 1911 for a long time).
Hard to beat the grip on a MP. I am 10mm curious, interested in any intel specifically on the MP 10.
https://www.reddit.com/r/10mm/comments/14x08jr/mp_performance_center_10mm_problems_resolved_yet/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/10mm/comments/14x08jr/mp_performance_center_10mm_problems_resolved_yet/)
https://marklivesthings.medium.com/s-w-m-p-10mm-pistols-prevalence-of-the-magazine-drop-malfunction-b9abad648de9 (https://marklivesthings.medium.com/s-w-m-p-10mm-pistols-prevalence-of-the-magazine-drop-malfunction-b9abad648de9)
I could be too paranoid but these are some the resources I came across looking into the reliability of the m&p 10mm. Seems enough people are complaining that there could be legitimacy to it. But there will be haters of anything, even some of the best things in life haha. Though the m&p 10mm performance center looks like a really nice 10mm, just still concerned if its going to be failing.
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Another vote for Glock. My woods gun is a G20 but I used to carry a G29. I might go back to a G29 at some point. For the last 20 years in LE I’ve carried only Glock and they’ve served me well, G22, G21, G30, G17 and currently a G45. G21 was my longest serving for about 15 years and the only reason I changed is because I switched departments and the current department carries 9mm.
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Another vote for Glock. My woods gun is a G20 but I used to carry a G29. I might go back to a G29 at some point. For the last 20 years in LE I’ve carried only Glock and they’ve served me well, G22, G21, G30, G17 and currently a G45. G21 was my longest serving for about 15 years and the only reason I changed is because I switched departments and the current department carries 9mm.
Hope all is well up north, You still have the same cell number?
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I like my Springfield XD. Shoots and carries well for a double stack 15 rounder. Kills what it shoots.
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I have shot a few but I really like the G20. The XDM is why I switched because the ergonomics fit my hand better with the Glock. I did some upgrades that I feel helped a bit.
I added/swapped the following:
Trijicon HD XR Night Sights
Talon Pro Grips
Razco Chest Holster
NDZ Guide Rod w/ 22lb Spring
NDZ Slide Extended Slide Release
Vickers Extended Take Down Lever
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I really like my Dan Wesson PM7-10!
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G40 mos with a trijicon rmr. Goes on the chest every time I go into the woods and never had an issue. I bought it when they first came out 8ish years ago and haven’t found an option to make me want to replace it yet.
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Favorite is either a Springfield TRP or an EEA Witness Hunter, both very accurate and easy to shoot accurately. Every time I buy a Glock I can't wait to get rid of it. They are very reliable which is important, but never had a problem with reliability on my Springfield or EEA, and they do get used and abused... just way better fit for me.
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I really like my Dan Wesson PM7-10!
Nice Pistola!
Ive had a G29 and a G40 and own a G20 now. Killed a bear with the G40 with a red dot on top, it was a shooter
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I went for the Glock 20 SF (short frame) which has been very good for me. It is basically the same as your typical 20 with a marginally smaller grip.
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I vote G29 SF FTW!
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Fusion 1911 6" barrels . Old picture, they both have RMRs now
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Another vote for Glock. My woods gun is a G20 but I used to carry a G29. I might go back to a G29 at some point. For the last 20 years in LE I’ve carried only Glock and they’ve served me well, G22, G21, G30, G17 and currently a G45. G21 was my longest serving for about 15 years and the only reason I changed is because I switched departments and the current department carries 9mm.
Hope all is well up north, You still have the same cell number?
Sure do!
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G40 mos with a trijicon rmr. Goes on the chest every time I go into the woods and never had an issue. I bought it when they first came out 8ish years ago and haven’t found an option to make me want to replace it yet.
Do you turn your RMR on before you go in the woods so it’s ready to go or just turn it on as needed?
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I tell everyone I'm not a glock guy.... they are pretty plain, utilitarian, don't have great ergonomics, definitely don't feel the best in my hands, the sights suck.
Then again, they are the most reliable and arguably the toughest gun out there. I carry a G20 in the woods and the thing looks like its been drug behind a truck and will probably always have it. Get the Glock
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M&P 4” mos. Modular grips, 15rnds and goes bang every time.
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I have had most gens of Glock in the 10mm. All have been shooters. In the G40 I added a 3 lb trigger and that helped. I also have a kimber 10mm and while it’s a great looker it is totally unreliable. It is less reliable than Kimbers customer service. For defensive purposes I like the g20 and 29 best though the 29 can be a bit much to hold onto with full power loads.
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I have a Springfield Elite. Has a match grade trigger. So far pretty happy with it. I like the added piece of mind of the back strap safety. For carrying one in the chamber.
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I bought a G20 a few years ago and read about some Glocks having unsupported chambers for ease of feeding. With the unsupported chambers brass was blowing out or deforming which will weaken the brass from reloading. I bought a new after market stainless barrel and compared the two with ball gauges and a micrometer. The original barrel was a lot looser. I felt more secure using the after market barrel and don't have any issues with feeding. I love my 10mm G20 and carry it mostly
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I bought a G20 a few years ago and read about some Glocks having unsupported chambers for ease of feeding. With the unsupported chambers brass was blowing out or deforming which will weaken the brass from reloading. I bought a new after market stainless barrel and compared the two with ball gauges and a micrometer. The original barrel was a lot looser. I felt more secure using the after market barrel and don't have any issues with feeding. I love my 10mm G20 and carry it mostly
what barrel did you get ? Looking to doctor my G20 up
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A few years back I sure wanted a 10mm. I really would have liked H&K to have had a 10mm in the HK45 frame. I liked the fit, finish and feel of the HK45 so much, it swayed me away from looking at other 10mm pistols. After looking over the HK45, suddenly 45acp was an acceptable cartridge to rule out any further search for a 10mm. I think that H&K would have a winner if they made a 10mm pistol with a similar fit & finish to the HK45. All that said, I've heard a lot of positives about the Springfield XDM 10mm.
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I bought a G20 a few years ago and read about some Glocks having unsupported chambers for ease of feeding. With the unsupported chambers brass was blowing out or deforming which will weaken the brass from reloading. I bought a new after market stainless barrel and compared the two with ball gauges and a micrometer. The original barrel was a lot looser. I felt more secure using the after market barrel and don't have any issues with feeding. I love my 10mm G20 and carry it mostly
what barrel did you get ? Looking to doctor my G20 up
I ordered through https://wheatonarms.com/product/steel-stainless-wheaton-arms-match-grade-barrel-fits-glock-20/
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I am a Glock fan myself. I have a couple. I have the 29, 20, 20C, and 40. I carried the 40 last year while archery hunting only because it is the MOS and I ran it with the Holosun SCS. I wish they would have made it in the 5-1/4" barrel like the model 41 (45 ACP) as that is a good size.
For me it is hard to beat 15 rnd. mags with +2's for 17 + 1 rnds. of Double Tap 200 gr. WFNGC with a green dot, Fiber optic front sight in a easy to reach Kenai Chest rig.
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Colt delta elite hasn't let me down yet. (biased because Colt is my namesake). I think it is more relevant now than it was before the magazine ban. If you're limited to ten rounds now, the glock is less appealing. I'm also a sucker for 1911 controls. Also, the minute man ammo 10mm hollow points are very effective on black bears
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I have shot a few but I really like the G20. The XDM is why I switched because the ergonomics fit my hand better with the Glock. I did some upgrades that I feel helped a bit.
I added/swapped the following:
Trijicon HD XR Night Sights
Talon Pro Grips
Razco Chest Holster
NDZ Guide Rod w/ 22lb Spring
NDZ Slide Extended Slide Release
Vickers Extended Take Down Lever
:yeah: Same NDZ upgrades world of difference. I'm going to add not sure I'd trust my holosun on my bear gun never know it has never failed on my 17 but I much prefer my ghost site on my 20 anything in center mass is toast.Also watch Hickok45 on YouTube for ammo recommendations heavy grain buffalo bore will tumble out of the stock g20 barrell. Never have any issues with underwood 200 gr.hardcast. :tup: :tup:
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G40 mos with a trijicon rmr. Goes on the chest every time I go into the woods and never had an issue. I bought it when they first came out 8ish years ago and haven’t found an option to make me want to replace it yet.
Do you turn your RMR on before you go in the woods so it’s ready to go or just turn it on as needed?
I run the dual illuminated model so it’s always on, no batteries to worry about.
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Anyone have any input on the Sig Sauer p320 X-TEN versus the Glock 20? I’m in the market for a 10mm too.
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Anyone have any input on the Sig Sauer p320 X-TEN versus the Glock 20? I’m in the market for a 10mm too.
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No first hand experience but everyone seems to love them. Reports of some that are picky on ammo and some aren’t.
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I bought the XDM Elite(3.8) 10mm and M&P (4.6) 10mm pre magazine ban. Both are great and have run flawless with everything from VERY light hand loads to underwood 200 grain hard cast....not one failure to date out of either. I don't shoot a lot but each probably has 250+ rounds down the pipe. I like the grip safety for holstering the XDM safely on my pack belt; but my favorite by far is the M&P for shooting, ergonomics, comfort, secure grip. The M&P 10mm has me considering trading my Glock 17 for an M&P 9mm. It just fits, feels, and looks great! Love the Red Dot on it with the suppressor height sights too!
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I have been pretty happy with my G20 but it does not like 220 grain Underwood bullets.
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Give the DoubleTap 200 gr hard casts a try. They run great in my G20
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Thanks everyone for the great advice. Just bought a glock 40 today, seems like the glock is the most reliable and the best choice for me overall. Probably going to throw on a red dot and some suppressor height sights on it to finish out the build. Very excited to get it out into the woods.
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I like my Springfield XD. Shoots and carries well for a double stack 15 rounder. Kills what it shoots.
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I love mine also! Dumped the Kimber for it.
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G29 for me, decent to carry but not what I would call a range gun.
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I changed from a revolver to a 29 a few years ago. I am much more accurate with it than my s&w model 69.
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Glock 20, lone wolf barrel, new spring and polish feed ramp. Now it runs like a dream and I can shoot hardcast.
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Limited experience with pea shooters here. But very pleased with the G29. Has a bit of "pop" with heavy loads but I shoot it good for me, its has been very reliable and it stays out of the way which is important to me.
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Anyone have any input on the Sig Sauer p320 X-TEN versus the Glock 20? I’m in the market for a 10mm too.
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I love mine so far. I only have around 150 rounds through it though. It shoots and runs great.
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I am hoping PSA comes out with a 10mm to look at. Maybe they already have? I really like the looks of the PSA Dagger 9mm....
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I'm The Original Old Schooler I Have the Discontinued Smith Wesson 1006 shoots great
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I'm The Original Old Schooler I Have the Discontinued Smith Wesson 1006 shoots great
Thats cool! Always keeping my eyes open but those are damn hard to find.
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G20 SF. Smaller diameter grip frame makes a difference. Works with everything from Buff Bore heavy to lighter SD loads. Never shot one in a 1911. Want to.
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G20 SF. Smaller diameter grip frame makes a difference. Works with everything from Buff Bore heavy to lighter SD loads. Never shot one in a 1911. Want to.
I have a G20SF in jail until the 17th.
Looking forward to getting my hands on it.