Post by: CJ1962 on April 24, 2024, 02:45:26 PM
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2024, 03:19:08 PM
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Post by: zwickeyman on April 24, 2024, 03:49:14 PM
I think most of our WA turkeys are so crossbred now they none of them are pure. Some take on the rio traits more, while others the merriams. Some right in the middle.
:yeah: I 100% agree
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2024, 03:54:54 PM
I would agree but this is the OR border which has Rios. I would understand if that if was of white. But that is even a little bit off whiteI think most of our WA turkeys are so crossbred now they none of them are pure. Some take on the rio traits more, while others the merriams. Some right in the middle.
:yeah: I 100% agree
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Post by: Ridgeratt on April 24, 2024, 04:07:14 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on April 24, 2024, 04:31:50 PM
Post by: buglebuster on April 24, 2024, 04:56:25 PM
[mention]Russ McDonald [/mention] What would you call these ones? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240424/87ad0599909506cc42fa4d33a3730bf9.jpg)I would agree but this is the OR border which has Rios. I would understand if that if was of white. But that is even a little bit off whiteI think most of our WA turkeys are so crossbred now they none of them are pure. Some take on the rio traits more, while others the merriams. Some right in the middle.
:yeah: I 100% agree
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2024, 05:05:57 PM
Merriam. Pretty sure you hunt around Yakima right? Merriams there.[mention]Russ McDonald [/mention] What would you call these ones? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240424/87ad0599909506cc42fa4d33a3730bf9.jpg)I would agree but this is the OR border which has Rios. I would understand if that if was of white. But that is even a little bit off whiteI think most of our WA turkeys are so crossbred now they none of them are pure. Some take on the rio traits more, while others the merriams. Some right in the middle.
:yeah: I 100% agree
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Post by: TriggerMike on April 24, 2024, 05:26:38 PM
Merriam's.[mention]Russ McDonald [/mention] What would you call these ones? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240424/87ad0599909506cc42fa4d33a3730bf9.jpg)I would agree but this is the OR border which has Rios. I would understand if that if was of white. But that is even a little bit off whiteI think most of our WA turkeys are so crossbred now they none of them are pure. Some take on the rio traits more, while others the merriams. Some right in the middle.
:yeah: I 100% agree
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Post by: buglebuster on April 24, 2024, 05:48:23 PM
Merriam. Pretty sure you hunt around Yakima right? Merriams there.[mention]Russ McDonald [/mention] What would you call these ones? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240424/87ad0599909506cc42fa4d33a3730bf9.jpg)I would agree but this is the OR border which has Rios. I would understand if that if was of white. But that is even a little bit off whiteI think most of our WA turkeys are so crossbred now they none of them are pure. Some take on the rio traits more, while others the merriams. Some right in the middle.
:yeah: I 100% agree
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While I have hunted around Yakima we don’t normally. These are blue mountain “rios” within spitting distance of Oregon.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2024, 05:52:15 PM
Super interesting. I know Idaho has some merriams. I would not question those as merriams. It is interesting. The crosses would not be all white like those. Thought for sure you were hunting around Yakima seeing those birds.Merriam. Pretty sure you hunt around Yakima right? Merriams there.[mention]Russ McDonald [/mention] What would you call these ones? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240424/87ad0599909506cc42fa4d33a3730bf9.jpg)I would agree but this is the OR border which has Rios. I would understand if that if was of white. But that is even a little bit off whiteI think most of our WA turkeys are so crossbred now they none of them are pure. Some take on the rio traits more, while others the merriams. Some right in the middle.
:yeah: I 100% agree
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While I have hunted around Yakima we don’t normally. These are blue mountain “rios” within spitting distance of Oregon.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2024, 06:22:03 PM
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Post by: Ridgeratt on April 24, 2024, 06:44:59 PM
Post by: iRem on April 24, 2024, 06:46:23 PM
Per WDFW those are Rio's but to me Meeriam's 100%. Sw ID has merriam's:yeah:
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Post by: TriggerMike on April 24, 2024, 07:08:49 PM
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Post by: TriggerMike on April 24, 2024, 08:20:55 PM
Bench leg turkeys??Pretty much
Post by: ASHQUACK on April 25, 2024, 07:01:12 AM
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on April 25, 2024, 10:18:59 AM
Here is a fan of a Rio my dad shot in Oregon as a comparison (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240424/82f4bce98e071dfcc42bd5259aca1534.jpeg)
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Where did your dad shoot that bird in Oregon because that to me looks like an eastern... which Oregon definitely has.... generally west of Portland but also through the Willamette valley.
The difference between rios and merriams aren't as much in the tips though that is the first sign but in the rump feathers.... the ones near to the base of the fan. On a Merriam those feathers are almost jet black where as on a rio they are much lighter. As you scroll through the above photos you can really see what I'm talking about. Look at the birds lower back... is it black.
Easterns have that milk chocalate middle band on their fan with the carmel tips and where I am wondering about your dad's bird.... WA, OR, ID, and MT all have easterns in pockets.
Post by: CJ1962 on April 25, 2024, 10:38:19 AM
He shot it west of Salem. I thought Oregon only had transplanted RiosHere is a fan of a Rio my dad shot in Oregon as a comparison (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240424/82f4bce98e071dfcc42bd5259aca1534.jpeg)
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Where did your dad shoot that bird in Oregon because that to me looks like an eastern... which Oregon definitely has.... generally west of Portland but also through the Willamette valley.
The difference between rios and merriams aren't as much in the tips though that is the first sign but in the rump feathers.... the ones near to the base of the fan. On a Merriam those feathers are almost jet black where as on a rio they are much lighter. As you scroll through the above photos you can really see what I'm talking about. Look at the birds lower back... is it black.
Easterns have that milk chocalate middle band on their fan with the carmel tips and where I am wondering about your dad's bird.... WA, OR, ID, and MT all have easterns in pockets.
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Post by: Lucky Eric on April 25, 2024, 10:44:27 AM
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Post by: TriggerMike on April 25, 2024, 12:24:25 PM
What would you guys call this one.Rio/hybrid.
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on April 25, 2024, 01:03:41 PM
He shot it west of Salem. I thought Oregon only had transplanted Rios
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We hunt down by Salem, east of I5 and there are a bunch of easterns down there. Here are two easterns and a rio off the same farm. So even Oregon has gotten all three species... predominantly they got rio's but some easterns for sure from Salem to Portland then merriams here and there.
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on April 25, 2024, 01:04:35 PM
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 25, 2024, 01:56:32 PM
What would you guys call this one.Merriam insert covert feathers are pretty light. Alsocould be a cross. Only way to tell is a biologist. We are all just guessing off of characteristics of each species. Merriams white to off white coverts and tips, Rios darker off white to dark cream coverts and tips, Easterns chocolate and darker coverts and tips. Oregon did have a small plant of easterns up nw part of state. Pic of some of mine. Right and left merriam. Middle is Rio from CA. Other pic is obvious
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Post by: ASHQUACK on April 25, 2024, 02:22:14 PM
Thank you, I felt it was a cross as well. There are both Rio's and Merriams in the area.What would you guys call this one.Merriam insert covert feathers are pretty light. Alsocould be a cross. Only way to tell is a biologist. We are all just guessing off of characteristics of each species. Merriams white to off white coverts and tips, Rios darker off white to dark cream coverts and tips, Easterns chocolate and darker coverts and tips. Oregon did have a small plant of easterns up nw part of state. Pic of some of mine. Right and left merriam. Middle is Rio from CA. Other pic is obvious
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