Post by: RB on July 20, 2024, 01:09:12 PM
Post by: Tbar on July 20, 2024, 01:32:08 PM
Post by: bigtex on July 20, 2024, 03:48:04 PM
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Post by: bigtex on July 20, 2024, 03:49:16 PM
Van De Wege is a nightmare for hunters. Take a look at Patrick DePoe. https://www.depoeforwashington.com/Wow. Depoe is endorsed by some of the most progressive liberal politicians in WA..
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Post by: Tbar on July 20, 2024, 04:00:04 PM
I would guess those who know him or have a chance to interact with him will be pleasantly surprised. He's incredibly centered on most issues.Van De Wege is a nightmare for hunters. Take a look at Patrick DePoe. https://www.depoeforwashington.com/Wow. Depoe is endorsed by some of the most progressive liberal politicians in WA..
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Post by: Fidelk on July 20, 2024, 05:18:34 PM
Post by: Katalla on July 20, 2024, 05:20:27 PM
We can manage the forest via active management or all the liberals carbon sequestering projects go u in smoke.
Support Jaime Herrera Butler for Lands Commissioner if you value a timber industry.
Okay - I'll get of my stump now.
Post by: 280ackley on July 20, 2024, 09:42:45 PM
Post by: RB on July 20, 2024, 10:13:40 PM
Post by: dwils233 on July 20, 2024, 11:52:06 PM
Vandewege likes timber but sure doesn't give a damn about hunters.
Post by: spin05 on July 21, 2024, 01:08:04 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 21, 2024, 06:34:05 AM
Sue Kuehl all the way.
Jaime Herrera Beutler. Voted to impeach Trump 🤬
RINO and a CAREER POLITICIAN
Jaime Herrera Beutler is a former U.S. representative who served for the 3rd Congressional District in southwest Washington from 2011 to 2022.IShe lost her bid for re-election in 2021, the same year she voted to impeach former President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. Three years later, she has returned to politics and hopes to use her Congressional experience as the state’s next lands commissioner.
Post by: wadu1 on July 21, 2024, 08:17:22 AM
Post by: dwils233 on July 21, 2024, 09:01:13 AM
I think that Sue Kuehl Pederson is a better choice Beutler.
Better? Maybe, sure, that's a personal value..
Better chance of making it through the primary? Doubtful.
A split democrat vote between vandewege and upthegrove could very well result in those two both getting past the primary, if all the other votes are too scattered around- leaving a democrat only option in November.
So everyone else needs to cast their votes in a pretty narrow direction towards one of the most electable candidate to make it through the primary....thats JHB, not Pederson. Pederson can't pick up any democrat votes, JHB could and likely would.
I care less about party sometimes depending on the role and their approach. JHB was the only candidate to mention sportsmen interests in her voter pamphlet bio, and her public lands voting record is pretty strong. I also know leaders in the timber industry who think she would do pretty well and thats a strong endorsement imho
Post by: Katalla on July 21, 2024, 10:12:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 21, 2024, 10:40:09 AM
I think that Sue Kuehl Pederson is a better choice Beutler.
Care to expand on why?
Post by: MADMAX on July 21, 2024, 10:52:25 AM
https://katu.com/amp/news/know-your-candidates/sue-kuehl-pederson-washington-commissioner-of-public-lands
Post by: timberfaller on July 21, 2024, 12:57:29 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 21, 2024, 02:53:04 PM
It's not necessarily who you like, it's who can win a mostly blue State.
I like Sue but she lost by like 13 percent last time. Not sure she can make that up this cycle.
If we aren't careful it will be two Dems on the Nov ballot.
Post by: jackelope on July 21, 2024, 04:06:21 PM
Post by: bigtex on July 21, 2024, 05:01:06 PM
This is very much like the gov race.My thoughts exactly. Too many Rs in the primary = 2 Ds in the general.
It's not necessarily who you like, it's who can win a mostly blue State.
I like Sue but she lost by like 13 percent last time. Not sure she can make that up this cycle.
If we aren't careful it will be two Dems on the Nov ballot.
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 21, 2024, 05:16:18 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,284440.0.html
Post by: jackelope on July 21, 2024, 05:22:54 PM
Mods can you join these two threads.
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,284440.0.html
I feel like maybe it’s 2 different topics/threads. I’m consulting with the other mods.
Post by: Lucky1 on July 21, 2024, 05:37:21 PM
Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
Post by: bearpaw on July 21, 2024, 05:57:44 PM
Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
Those are definite negatives for me, I was glad to see her beat out by Kent.
Post by: wadu1 on July 21, 2024, 06:00:22 PM
Other than what's been posted, Science over Politics.I think that Sue Kuehl Pederson is a better choice Beutler.
Care to expand on why?
Post by: bearpaw on July 21, 2024, 06:02:33 PM
Mods can you join these two threads.
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,284440.0.html
Without saying to much, do you know if Pederson's views would harm hunting, trapping, or firearms issues?
Post by: dwils233 on July 21, 2024, 06:10:45 PM
Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
All reasons why she stands a better chance of getting elected and picking up blue votes compared to pederson.
Her beef with trump has nothing to do with WA DNR. I get party dynamics, but unless she makes it through the primary, we're guaranteed an urban blue west side CPL I think
She's also been endorsed by HHC and her national record on wildfire and forest management is strong. I don't have to like her personally to vote in my best interest strqtegically
Post by: jackelope on July 21, 2024, 06:28:18 PM
Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
Anything negative about her specifically where WA public lands are concerned? She’s endorsed by the HHC, seems very pro timber industry. She’s got a plan for sea lions to protect salmon. We’re always bitching about forest management to prevent wildfire. She’s all over that.
Im not sure not endorsing a candidate you don’t agree with is a big problem for me. If I don’t agree with their policies and plans, I’m not sure I’d endorse them either. I mean it’s kind of BS at that point to fake your approval for someone just because you’re expected to stay in party lines.
I appreciate and understand the negatives around Trump, but that’s not a big deal for me. I’m not a huge fan of Trump.
Post by: bigtex on July 21, 2024, 06:44:39 PM
And yet Kent has endorsed her for Commissioner of Public Lands.Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
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Post by: bigtex on July 21, 2024, 06:49:22 PM
And how did that work out in the end? Kent beat her in the primary and Kent lost to a democrat in the general, which gave the dems a seat that had been R for years. That's a moderate/purplish district and getting bluer by the day with increased urbanization around the Vancouver area.Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
Those are definite negatives for me, I was glad to see her beat out by Kent.
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Post by: Tbar on July 21, 2024, 07:07:13 PM
Post by: fireweed on July 21, 2024, 08:53:04 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on July 21, 2024, 11:04:21 PM
Maybe if JHB had been a team player and endorsed Kent, he may have won.And how did that work out in the end? Kent beat her in the primary and Kent lost to a democrat in the general, which gave the dems a seat that had been R for years. That's a moderate/purplish district and getting bluer by the day with increased urbanization around the Vancouver area.Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
Those are definite negatives for me, I was glad to see her beat out by Kent.
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She stabbed the republicans in the back. She is more concerned about her feelings than she is about getting and or keeping a Republican majority.
You are advocating that conservatives get behind the republican candidates that have the best chance to win so that republicans can win political offices. Here you have a “moderate” republican who doesn’t care. Why should I vote for her. She is a traitor.
Post by: Lucky1 on July 21, 2024, 11:09:45 PM
I think he is making a effort to unify tha party. (At the expense of Sue Kuehl Pederson) He also might think that JHB has a better chance of winning the position. He could be right.And yet Kent has endorsed her for Commissioner of Public Lands.Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
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Some people are done voting for “moderates” and losing anyway. Might as well vote for the candidate you like best. That is what primary elections are for.
Post by: Lucky1 on July 21, 2024, 11:23:39 PM
I think party lines are extremely important. The insane laws that are coming out of Olympia are due to party line voting. Do you like the high capacity magazine ban law? Do you like the unconstitutional gunlaws about home built firearms and “assault weapons”? Do you like that kids in grade school are required to be taught about the history of transgenders? Do you think it is a good idea to phase out the use of natural gas? Party is important!Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
Anything negative about her specifically where WA public lands are concerned? She’s endorsed by the HHC, seems very pro timber industry. She’s got a plan for sea lions to protect salmon. We’re always bitching about forest management to prevent wildfire. She’s all over that.
Im not sure not endorsing a candidate you don’t agree with is a big problem for me. If I don’t agree with their policies and plans, I’m not sure I’d endorse them either. I mean it’s kind of BS at that point to fake your approval for someone just because you’re expected to stay in party lines.
I appreciate and understand the negatives around Trump, but that’s not a big deal for me. I’m not a huge fan of Trump.
JHB did get some changes made that allow the killing of some sea lions. Her efforts were useless. The sea lions are not being controlled. It is obvious, ask anyone who fishes salmon on the Columbia River and tributaries.
JHB is a big government gal. She thinks that government is here to take care of you and control you and provide for all your needs. I have had all of her that I can stomach.
Post by: Special T on July 22, 2024, 12:20:12 PM
https://www.thereflector.com/stories/herrera-beutler-visits-bonneville-dam-to-see-effects-of-salmon-legislation,277857
Post by: 280ackley on July 27, 2024, 09:29:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 28, 2024, 07:30:40 AM
And how did that work out in the end? Kent beat her in the primary and Kent lost to a democrat in the general, which gave the dems a seat that had been R for years. That's a moderate/purplish district and getting bluer by the day with increased urbanization around the Vancouver area.Besides the Trump thing, anything else going against JHB?She voted to give amnesty to illegal alien farm workers.
She wouldn’t endorse Joe Kent after he beat her in the primary election.
Not only did she vote to impeach Trump without any hearings and after he was already out of office, she wrote in Paul Ryan for president in the 2016 election because Trump was just to extreme for her. She would allow Hillary to be president before she would vote for Trump.
To name a few. You asked…
Those are definite negatives for me, I was glad to see her beat out by Kent.
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I get what you are saying, however there has been so much of that going on its one reason politics are where they are, liberal voters stick with liberal candidates, conservative voters too often go along with a RINO candidate who then votes with D's to enact liberal laws. Buetler has made her own bed with her own actions! So I also get why some voters are not going to vote for her in the primary! :twocents:
Post by: snarkybull on July 28, 2024, 09:38:06 AM
I do not know how that equates to being qualified as a public lands commissioner, though, so was hoping for specific input on that.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 04, 2024, 06:12:25 AM
Mods can you join these two threads.
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,284440.0.html
Without saying to much, do you know if Pederson's views would harm hunting, trapping, or firearms issues?
Here’s her response, the only thing taken out is my name.
I’ve sent a pm to bearpaw with the full text with my name in it.
Hi ( My name), As you know, I grew up with my dad and yours (and (my last name) in general) hunting regularly. I am for hunting accessibility. If I win the position of Commissioner of Public Lands, I'll oversee the Dept of Natural Resources. Unfortunately, it is the WA Dept of Fish & Wildlife that regulates hunting licenses and quotas. As an independently elected official, I will use persuasion to influence their board.
The only thing blacked out is my name, and the post above is my address.
Post by: bearpaw on August 04, 2024, 09:59:01 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on August 07, 2024, 07:44:49 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2024, 07:57:43 AM
Post by: bigtex on August 07, 2024, 08:06:17 AM
What are the odds the current results hold and this race is between JHB and SKP?I'm guessing Upthegrove will make up the balance in the next couple days and pass SKP. Right now their spread is only 4k votes.
Upthegrove is the absolute worst person for this position.
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Post by: Rainier10 on August 07, 2024, 08:09:46 AM
What are the odds the current results hold and this race is between JHB and SKP?It would be great but I feel like upthegrove will close the gap and end up in the top two. Hopefully he loses in the general.
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 07, 2024, 12:40:55 PM
https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20240806/commissioner-of-public-lands_bycounty.html (https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20240806/commissioner-of-public-lands_bycounty.html)
https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20240806/turnout.html (https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20240806/turnout.html)
Post by: idahohuntr on August 07, 2024, 02:57:55 PM
I did a quick run of the county numbers/ballots estimate left...and if the proportions hold JHB and SKP will hold on...SKP will edge Upthegrove by 14k votes.
The BIG assumption is the remaining votes go proportionally to each candidate the same as the already counted votes did.
Post by: CarbonHunter on August 07, 2024, 05:41:05 PM
Post by: follow maggie on August 07, 2024, 06:54:42 PM
Post by: bigtex on August 07, 2024, 06:59:10 PM
Is Franz giving up the spot?She ran for Congress and lost last night.
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Post by: follow maggie on August 07, 2024, 07:36:44 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 08, 2024, 11:35:03 AM
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on August 08, 2024, 04:15:21 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on August 08, 2024, 09:19:06 PM
Looks like Dave took over the second spot...... :dunno:He’s back in 3rd now but there are still 422k ballots to count state wide and a quarter of those ballots are in king county…
Post by: 280ackley on August 08, 2024, 09:38:24 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on August 09, 2024, 04:30:56 PM
Post by: Tbar on August 09, 2024, 04:43:19 PM
He's up by 9k now.Not good!
Post by: Bob33 on August 09, 2024, 05:26:43 PM
"When elected, I will be the first out LGBT statewide executive office holder in the history of the State of Washington. I live with my husband Chad, cat Dobby, and dog Benji in Des Moines, WA."
Post by: MADMAX on August 09, 2024, 05:31:01 PM
Lot of that going around
Who cares about your sexual preference
Nobodies business but yours
Post by: CarbonHunter on August 09, 2024, 05:37:40 PM
I couldn't find anything on his website about what he actually plans to do. He mention LGBTQ issues several times. I'm not sure what that has to do with public land.
"When elected, I will be the first out LGBT statewide executive office holder in the history of the State of Washington. I live with my husband Chad, cat Dobby, and dog Benji in Des Moines, WA."
Maybe he has a plan to “transition” our unhealthy forest?
Post by: Rainier10 on August 09, 2024, 05:48:46 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 09, 2024, 08:41:08 PM
He wants to “build affordable housing on surplus state lands” :bash:I couldn't find anything on his website about what he actually plans to do. He mention LGBTQ issues several times. I'm not sure what that has to do with public land.
"When elected, I will be the first out LGBT statewide executive office holder in the history of the State of Washington. I live with my husband Chad, cat Dobby, and dog Benji in Des Moines, WA."
Maybe he has a plan to “transition” our unhealthy forest?
Post by: TriggerMike on August 09, 2024, 10:44:12 PM
He wants to “build affordable housing on surplus state lands” :bash:I couldn't find anything on his website about what he actually plans to do. He mention LGBTQ issues several times. I'm not sure what that has to do with public land.
"When elected, I will be the first out LGBT statewide executive office holder in the history of the State of Washington. I live with my husband Chad, cat Dobby, and dog Benji in Des Moines, WA."
Maybe he has a plan to “transition” our unhealthy forest?
So it sounds like the new Democrat plan is to convert our state public lands into housing projects to solve the homeless problem they created. Great.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 10, 2024, 07:47:26 AM
Already covered with tents, old trailers, nonworking cars and everything else the 'unhoused community has enriched our lands as they spread diversity and synergy.'He wants to “build affordable housing on surplus state lands” :bash:I couldn't find anything on his website about what he actually plans to do. He mention LGBTQ issues several times. I'm not sure what that has to do with public land.
"When elected, I will be the first out LGBT statewide executive office holder in the history of the State of Washington. I live with my husband Chad, cat Dobby, and dog Benji in Des Moines, WA."
Maybe he has a plan to “transition” our unhealthy forest?
So it sounds like the new Democrat plan is to convert our state public lands into housing projects to solve the homeless problem they created. Great.
Post by: Bob33 on August 10, 2024, 02:06:26 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 10, 2024, 02:24:57 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on August 10, 2024, 03:33:20 PM
Post by: MADMAX on August 10, 2024, 04:06:49 PM
Post by: Bareback on August 10, 2024, 05:38:13 PM
They have only counted 33% of ballots in my district. It’s only slightly higher county wide. I don’t know why it is taking so long.
The mules must be walkin slow
Post by: Rainier10 on August 11, 2024, 08:21:05 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 11, 2024, 10:53:41 AM
Post by: TriggerMike on August 11, 2024, 10:55:33 AM
Post by: jackelope on August 11, 2024, 11:15:27 AM
How many votes are left to be counted?Final results will be posted August 21.
Pretty crappy voter turnout for the primaries. Probably normal I’d guess.
Updated yesterday:
https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20240806/turnout.html
Post by: TriggerMike on August 20, 2024, 05:51:53 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 20, 2024, 08:55:41 PM
Post by: jstone on August 21, 2024, 05:47:05 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 25, 2024, 06:55:41 AM
Hopefully Pederson comes out ahead.👍
Post by: 85yota on September 04, 2024, 04:23:05 PM
Post by: ganghis on September 04, 2024, 08:02:58 PM
Post by: fireweed on September 05, 2024, 09:57:39 AM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on September 05, 2024, 11:51:55 AM
That stinks - as the only D, Upthepooper is probably going to win...crossing fingers, but that seems to be the way of things.
I think there are a ton more voters out there who do not vote along a specific party line than the vast majority of both party's echo chambers believe. Just in these 3 candidates, 815,546 votes went to a republican. 396,300 went to a democrat. Perhaps the two republican candidates had the better message for the direction of Public Lands and people ignored what party they were affiliated with and simply voted for the best choice?
Post by: ducks4days on September 05, 2024, 12:11:36 PM
That stinks - as the only D, Upthepooper is probably going to win...crossing fingers, but that seems to be the way of things.
I think there are a ton more voters out there who do not vote along a specific party line than the vast majority of both party's echo chambers believe. Just in these 3 candidates, 815,546 votes went to a republican. 396,300 went to a democrat. Perhaps the two republican candidates had the better message for the direction of Public Lands and people ignored what party they were affiliated with and simply voted for the best choice?
You are wrong. Democrat candidates for this race had 1,085,893 votes, Republican candidates had 815,564. That is a 42.89% / 57.1% split, which lines up with the party line vote typically seen in statewide elections. The only reason 2 R's almost ended up in the final was because the D party vote was split among 5 candidates, you cant just discount 4 of them and compare the votes for the remaining candidates and try to use the remaining numbers like they are significant on their own.
There are definitely a lot of voters that dont vote straight party line, but not enough to vote in an R in a statewide race. Especially not this year, in a presidential election with Trump at the top of the ticket. There is going to be increased turnout across the board because of that, and most of the population by a wide margin lives in the wet and votes for the left. Our best bet was getting more R voters to actually turn in their primary ballots, like 100 more would have made a massive difference but that ship has already sailed.
Post by: GOcougsHunter on September 05, 2024, 12:17:30 PM
That stinks - as the only D, Upthepooper is probably going to win...crossing fingers, but that seems to be the way of things.
I think there are a ton more voters out there who do not vote along a specific party line than the vast majority of both party's echo chambers believe. Just in these 3 candidates, 815,546 votes went to a republican. 396,300 went to a democrat. Perhaps the two republican candidates had the better message for the direction of Public Lands and people ignored what party they were affiliated with and simply voted for the best choice?
You are wrong. Democrat candidates for this race had 1,085,893 votes, Republican candidates had 815,564. That is a 42.89% / 57.1% split, which lines up with the party line vote typically seen in statewide elections. The only reason 2 R's almost ended up in the final was because the D party vote was split among 5 candidates, you cant just discount 4 of them and compare the votes for the remaining candidates and try to use the remaining numbers like they are significant on their own.
There are definitely a lot of voters that dont vote straight party line, but not enough to vote in an R in a statewide race. Especially not this year, in a presidential election with Trump at the top of the ticket. There is going to be increased turnout across the board because of that, and most of the population by a wide margin lives in the wet and votes for the left. Our best bet was getting more R voters to actually turn in their primary ballots, like 100 more would have made a massive difference but that ship has already sailed.
I stand corrected on the number of votes and just went with just the screen shot in this thread.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on September 05, 2024, 01:04:08 PM
Post by: Special T on September 05, 2024, 01:45:37 PM
Post by: salmosalar on September 05, 2024, 01:51:04 PM
I have to admit that I really don't know a ton about the role of a public lands commisioner.
Post by: Alan K on September 05, 2024, 02:05:34 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 05, 2024, 02:24:18 PM
Policy wise what is the big difference between having an R or a D for this position? Access? Land swaps?It is a gross simplification, but I would say the primary difference is in how each party views human impact on our natural resources. Republicans say humans can benefit the ecosystem; Democrats view humans as destructive forces that need to be restricted.
I have to admit that I really don't know a ton about the role of a public lands commisioner.
Post by: Practical Approach on September 05, 2024, 03:02:51 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 05, 2024, 03:10:11 PM
Whoever it is, I hope they push for funding to enforce illegal activities on state lands. Dumping, illegal trail making, overharvesting and illegal harvesting of forest products, timber theft, illegal camping, etc are rampant on much of DNR's lands that are not locked behind gates on the westside.
Illegal trail making?
Post by: ducks4days on September 05, 2024, 03:15:57 PM
Policy wise what is the big difference between having an R or a D for this position? Access? Land swaps?It is a gross simplification, but I would say the primary difference is in how each party views human impact on our natural resources. Republicans say humans can benefit the ecosystem; Democrats view humans as destructive forces that need to be restricted.
I have to admit that I really don't know a ton about the role of a public lands commisioner.
The first round of covid restrictions kicked off in April 2020, and they shut down access to all state owned public lands. I have a tract of DNR near my house that had a deputy posted at it turning away mountain bikers, I had to walk a whole quarter mile further down the road just to get onto the trail.
In the day-to-day the simplification is mostly the truth, but its hard to predict what will happen and what responses will be. All we really have for that is party policy.
Post by: Practical Approach on September 05, 2024, 03:26:13 PM
Whoever it is, I hope they push for funding to enforce illegal activities on state lands. Dumping, illegal trail making, overharvesting and illegal harvesting of forest products, timber theft, illegal camping, etc are rampant on much of DNR's lands that are not locked behind gates on the westside.
Illegal trail making?
When mountain bike groups as well as motorcycles and atv's create their own developed trails through the woods.
Post by: salmosalar on September 05, 2024, 04:03:46 PM
Timber harvest from state lands for funding schools is the big one, which supports jobs in the woods and rural communities.
This makes some sense as does access. I had a neighbor go off on Franz a few years ago because access to DNR roads had been restricted in our area and he liked to take his jeep in. I have some DNR employee friends (foresters). I guess that I will ask them as well.
Thank you.
Post by: 85yota on September 05, 2024, 04:20:47 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on September 06, 2024, 07:35:50 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on September 06, 2024, 08:34:49 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 06, 2024, 08:48:49 PM
What would be the result? How do you choose how those 2000 votes, if they are to be removed, would be proportioned?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/climate-lab/wa-gop-suing-king-county-elections-over-commissioner-of-public-lands-primary-results/
Post by: HntnFsh on September 07, 2024, 08:03:33 AM
Post by: dwils233 on September 07, 2024, 08:15:24 AM
Does anyone feel the GOP lawsuit against King County will gather traction and stop Upthegrove?
Every penny of that lawsuit would be better spent on JHB's campaign, particularly trying to activate east side democrats to come around to supporting her. I think breaking a part the coring demographics into smaller audiences and targeted messaging could still make it possible to elect her instead of upthegrove
Post by: bearpaw on September 07, 2024, 08:34:20 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 07, 2024, 08:48:38 AM
Maybe the GOP is also looking at the long term impact of King County voters having that option when other counties voters do not? Would the election have been in Pederson's favor if that option was afforded all the other counties voters in the state? Seems pretty unfair to me!
Who says only King has that option?
Post by: bearpaw on September 07, 2024, 08:51:15 AM
Maybe the GOP is also looking at the long term impact of King County voters having that option when other counties voters do not? Would the election have been in Pederson's favor if that option was afforded all the other counties voters in the state? Seems pretty unfair to me!
Who says only King has that option?
I thought that was implied, has anyone said King isn't the only county with that option?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 07, 2024, 08:52:11 AM
Maybe the GOP is also looking at the long term impact of King County voters having that option when other counties voters do not? Would the election have been in Pederson's favor if that option was afforded all the other counties voters in the state? Seems pretty unfair to me!
Who says only King has that option?
I thought that was implied, has anyone said King isn't the only county with that option?
(4)
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=29A.60.165
Post by: bearpaw on September 07, 2024, 08:54:45 AM
Maybe the GOP is also looking at the long term impact of King County voters having that option when other counties voters do not? Would the election have been in Pederson's favor if that option was afforded all the other counties voters in the state? Seems pretty unfair to me!
Who says only King has that option?
I thought that was implied, has anyone said King isn't the only county with that option?
(4)
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=29A.60.165
So what are you saying?
Post by: bearpaw on September 07, 2024, 08:58:51 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 07, 2024, 09:11:08 AM
Maybe the GOP is also looking at the long term impact of King County voters having that option when other counties voters do not? Would the election have been in Pederson's favor if that option was afforded all the other counties voters in the state? Seems pretty unfair to me!
Who says only King has that option?
I thought that was implied, has anyone said King isn't the only county with that option?
(4)
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=29A.60.165
So what are you saying?
That it is allowed by the RCW. In fact, the GOP doesn’t bring up the use of electronic verification, but is only challenging the mechanics of the system
https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/northwest/wa-gop-sues-king-county-in-bid-to-upend-commissioner-of-public-lands-race/article_8e7ebef9-ca7a-5d44-a1de-4c2216d459bb.html
Post by: bearpaw on September 07, 2024, 09:27:48 AM
Maybe the GOP is also looking at the long term impact of King County voters having that option when other counties voters do not? Would the election have been in Pederson's favor if that option was afforded all the other counties voters in the state? Seems pretty unfair to me!
Who says only King has that option?
I thought that was implied, has anyone said King isn't the only county with that option?
(4)
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=29A.60.165
So what are you saying?
That it is allowed by the RCW. In fact, the GOP doesn’t bring up the use of electronic verification, but is only challenging the mechanics of the system
https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/northwest/wa-gop-sues-king-county-in-bid-to-upend-commissioner-of-public-lands-race/article_8e7ebef9-ca7a-5d44-a1de-4c2216d459bb.html
Thank you for explaining your thoughts. Obviously I don't know their angle for the suit, it might be interesting to know their strategy? So apparently every county could do that, but apparently they all are not? That still seems unfair on the surface to be happening in one county but not in all counties. I am only guessing, perhaps this is the method the GOP wants to use to challenhge that law if they view it as unfair for whatever reason(s)?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 07, 2024, 10:13:45 AM
So apparently every county could do that, but apparently they all are not? That still seems unfair on the surface to be happening in one county but not in all counties.
The counties make that choice on how they run their elections individually as per the state constitution. Only eligibility, dates, state wide mail in ballots, and stamp free ballots are state wide as per the state constitution, the US Constitution, the RCW and WAC.
And the very need for a docu-sign type verification is basically inversely logrythmic to the population. Garfield county had 1/1000 (0.1%) of the population of King. Extending that, Garfield may have had one or two questionably signed ballots, and very likely the people were personally known to the county auditors office.
But again, the individual counties make these decisions.
Post by: nwwanderer on September 07, 2024, 10:50:58 AM
Post by: jstone on September 07, 2024, 04:05:02 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on September 07, 2024, 04:07:42 PM
So apparently every county could do that, but apparently they all are not? That still seems unfair on the surface to be happening in one county but not in all counties.
The counties make that choice on how they run their elections individually as per the state constitution. Only eligibility, dates, state wide mail in ballots, and stamp free ballots are state wide as per the state constitution, the US Constitution, the RCW and WAC.
And the very need for a docu-sign type verification is basically inversely logrythmic to the population. Garfield county had 1/1000 (0.1%) of the population of King. Extending that, Garfield may have had one or two questionably signed ballots, and very likely the people were personally known to the county auditors office.
But again, the individual counties make these decisions.
I thought the reason the whole state got no stamp required ballots was because King county said they were going to do it and that one county could not offer something to make voting easier than another county?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 07, 2024, 04:49:48 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/metropolitan-king-county-council-passes-measure-to-fund-prepaid-postage-for-mail-in-ballots/