Post by: hunter399 on August 25, 2024, 04:06:34 PM
I don't really understand it though.
So one of my cams was taken,plus the salt block.
Which I really don't understand why someone would take the salt block. I guess the SD card and camera wasn't enough I suppose.
I was there recently to remove the camera before season opens.
Not sure which way I should go from this point.
Or just leave it be and move on,I already know what's in the area.
Not sure how someone can show up in
the fall , destroy my stuff,claim a spot as there own.
Reason I say claim a spot ,cause they must not of liked me there to take the salt block. I was standing on snow when I put the cam up this spring.
Camera+salt 40.00$
Few camera checks,100.00 fuel.
Pissed to the wind I suppose.
I've thought about placing a few dummy cams with another cam in a lock box to catch a picture of them.
What you guys think?
Leave it be.
Or risk another cam trying to catch em stealing.
Sorry guys just a rant, this public land stuff happens all the time.
Just venting I guess.
Post by: greenhead_killer on August 25, 2024, 04:39:14 PM
Sorry you have to deal with this. It just flat sucks!
Post by: hunter399 on August 25, 2024, 04:55:48 PM
Now some other guy probably has my day pic of him.
I wasn't really planning on hunting that spot,due to other spots.
But my plans might change, I'll probably make it a point to hunt this spot now.
Post by: HntnFsh on August 25, 2024, 05:05:13 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on August 25, 2024, 05:45:06 PM
Post by: follow maggie on August 25, 2024, 06:20:30 PM
Post by: Mfowl on August 25, 2024, 06:26:47 PM
Post by: pickardjw on August 25, 2024, 06:44:00 PM
I did have one python locked and someone broke the plastic latch to check the SD card. Fortunately that camera was garbage (stealthcam refurb) and took about 500 photos of does in 5 days before dying. And they put the SD card back. I checked it mid-hunt and left it on the ridge to retrieve this summer when I found the broken latch. In hindsight should've taken the SD card the first time.
I'd put another one up, maybe a broken dummy cam off ebay or something, with a real working one elsewhere to catch them. If there's an obvious parking spot or route in/out, one there too to catch the vehicle. Turn any info into the authorities. If someone is s****y enough to do this they may be known to the authorities already.
Post by: 2MANY on August 25, 2024, 07:27:52 PM
Hhhhmmmm
Post by: ghosthunter on August 25, 2024, 08:23:20 PM
Old ,cranky, and determined with all the time in the world. I am know as a nice guy but they also say don’t piss him off.
I would never knowingly screw with someone’s hunt and I hunt out of blinds some. Don’t bother me I won’t bother anyone else. But public is public.
Cannot stand thieves. Hope I never catch one. I am certain it would put my medication to the test.
Post by: kodiak06 on August 25, 2024, 08:37:10 PM
Does your location under your avatar actually say "in your hunting spot"?
Hhhhmmmm
LMAO, that's funny
Post by: Bearhunter308 on August 25, 2024, 11:39:19 PM
Also discussed public land being public, so there’s no guarantee, but in general there should be room for all to hunt and share the woods respectfully.
It is too bad though that not everyone shares decent values, and there are jerks who hunt, just like there’s gonna be jerks everywhere else occasionally too🤔
Post by: Westside88 on August 26, 2024, 03:58:40 AM
Post by: 2MANY on August 26, 2024, 06:41:17 AM
It's ridiculous.
The end.
Post by: kodiak06 on August 26, 2024, 06:52:26 AM
Has anyone attempted to imbed an air tag somewhere inside the camera? I assume at least some of the stolen ones get taken home. Thieves suck
Air tags alert apple owners they are nearby and transmit a tone...
Post by: hunter399 on August 26, 2024, 07:58:22 AM
As soon as the camera check was done,salt was gone.
I immediately started bear hunting, glassed a few bucks.
Found some bear sign,took a look at the berry situation.
So the drive and fuel cost wasn't as big of an issue.
Kinda turned into a hunting trip,when someone took the salt .
A little more info about the setup.
Camera was put up in the spring,it was about 8 ft on the tree.
Just out of reach. With a Cable lock .I only did two checks, probably two month soaks. I had cameras in this spot,4-5 years ago ,have had a camera stolen,and a SD stolen before. It not a surprise.
Camera was 60 mi from my house as the crow flys.
One of the farthest cameras.
Recently I've been pulling a lot of cameras out since.
My location is NE WASHINGTON ,my avatar location is just me being a jack wagon. I don't intentionally look for people's spots.
But do end up in someone's spot ,such as this case.
I agree my avatar location is lmao.....LOL 😂
Post by: kodiak06 on August 26, 2024, 08:29:31 AM
I think I'll just leave it be for now.(Kinda over it)
As soon as the camera check was done,salt was gone.
I immediately started bear hunting, glassed a few bucks.
Found some bear sign,took a look at the berry situation.
So the drive and fuel cost wasn't as big of an issue.
Kinda turned into a hunting trip,when someone took the salt .
A little more info about the setup.
Camera was put up in the spring,it was about 8 ft on the tree.
Just out of reach. With a Cable lock .I only did two checks, probably two month soaks. I had cameras in this spot,4-5 years ago ,have had a camera stolen,and a SD stolen before. It not a surprise.
Camera was 60 mi from my house as the crow flys.
One of the farthest cameras.
Recently I've been pulling a lot of cameras out since.
My location is NE WASHINGTON ,my avatar location is just me being a jack wagon. I don't intentionally look for people's spots.
But do end up in someone's spot ,such as this case.
I agree my avatar location is lmao.....LOL 😂
I would hope everyone on here would know your "location" is simply a joke. Definitely sux that people can't can't just leave things alone. I drive 480 miles one way to check cams and I'd come unassed if I caught someone taking one.
Post by: GWP on August 26, 2024, 08:32:22 AM
That vid with the anti trapper messing with the guys stuff on here in the middle of winter shows some dedication.
Post by: follow maggie on August 26, 2024, 10:45:21 AM
Post by: MeepDog on August 26, 2024, 11:31:49 AM
I don’t. By far & away it’s Almost always another hunter that doesn’t want someone else in “his” spot. Most hunters are good honest people, but there’s a good amount of trash that hunts, also.It's the same ones who litter, sh*t in the parking lot, drive where they aren't supposed to, and put their family members tags on animals they kill. If one thing isn't sacred, then nothing is sacred.
Post by: GWP on August 26, 2024, 12:37:19 PM
Then again, I have the fancy electronics for my boat to fish with, so I am not completely in the stone age.
It would quite suck to have someone mess with equipment that does not belong to them.
Post by: kodiak06 on August 26, 2024, 01:40:53 PM
Don’t you guys think the more probable is an anti hunter?
That vid with the anti trapper messing with the guys stuff on here in the middle of winter shows some dedication.
I'd bet 99% another hunter. I've had A-holes steal SD cards or take batteries out of my cams. Pretty good idea of who it was since they were on other cameras near the same areas
Post by: hunter399 on August 26, 2024, 01:59:42 PM
Anyway you slice it,they didn't want me hunting or having a camera setup there.
Years ago the SD stolen and camera damage occurred during archery season. That was the primary reason for pulling it before September this time .
With that said ,I still can't say for sure if it was a hunter back then or now.
Going forward next year.
I'll probably find a new spot,this will be the third new spot I'll have to come up with. I'll weld together a lock box,bring a ladder.
Probably put it like 20 ft up. See if that stops them.
Maybe a sign with my cell, maybe a tree that isn't easily cut down.
I share about 90 percent of my photos with HW,id probably share photos if they ask nice.
Post by: kodiak06 on September 05, 2024, 09:04:56 AM
I would say 50/50 if it's a hunter or anti-hunter.
Anyway you slice it,they didn't want me hunting or having a camera setup there.
Years ago the SD stolen and camera damage occurred during archery season. That was the primary reason for pulling it before September this time .
With that said ,I still can't say for sure if it was a hunter back then or now.
Going forward next year.
I'll probably find a new spot,this will be the third new spot I'll have to come up with. I'll weld together a lock box,bring a ladder.
Probably put it like 20 ft up. See if that stops them.
Maybe a sign with my cell, maybe a tree that isn't easily cut down.
I share about 90 percent of my photos with HW,id probably share photos if they ask nice.
Just carry a couple climbing sticks and hang them...
Post by: hunter399 on September 05, 2024, 11:08:52 AM
I did use tree stand steps ,the cam was 8 or 9 ft up ,with a Cable lock. It was the only camera that I used tree stand steps this year.I would say 50/50 if it's a hunter or anti-hunter.
Anyway you slice it,they didn't want me hunting or having a camera setup there.
Years ago the SD stolen and camera damage occurred during archery season. That was the primary reason for pulling it before September this time .
With that said ,I still can't say for sure if it was a hunter back then or now.
Going forward next year.
I'll probably find a new spot,this will be the third new spot I'll have to come up with. I'll weld together a lock box,bring a ladder.
Probably put it like 20 ft up. See if that stops them.
Maybe a sign with my cell, maybe a tree that isn't easily cut down.
I share about 90 percent of my photos with HW,id probably share photos if they ask nice.
Just carry a couple climbing sticks and hang them...
I know the area is problematic for trail cams .
I will say I have had a handful of good people on cams.
All of them ,good or bad I welcome them to hunt the area or even at my salt blocks or cameras. Just leave my stuff alone ,and hunt all you want. It's public land . Instead of stealing my stuff ,just utilize what I already setup for ya.
I have so many new and old spots it's impossible for me to hunt them all in the same season. If someone is hunting there ,I'll find a new spot. Or move a few miles down the road or whatever.
Anymore it's not a big deal to me.
I showed a buddy the other day the pics from this camera.
Told him about my missing camera,he said he'll be hunting it.
I said ya ,you ,me,the dozen other people that have my pics.
We laughed, I thought it was hilarious... 😂.
Post by: GASoline71 on September 05, 2024, 02:58:32 PM
Outlaw cameras and thermal stuff in the woods.
It's ridiculous.
The end.
This ^^^ 100%
Gary
Post by: phildobaggins on September 05, 2024, 03:23:30 PM
I would say 50/50 if it's a hunter or anti-hunter.
Anyway you slice it,they didn't want me hunting or having a camera setup there.
Years ago the SD stolen and camera damage occurred during archery season. That was the primary reason for pulling it before September this time .
With that said ,I still can't say for sure if it was a hunter back then or now.
Going forward next year.
I'll probably find a new spot,this will be the third new spot I'll have to come up with. I'll weld together a lock box,bring a ladder.
Probably put it like 20 ft up. See if that stops them.
Maybe a sign with my cell, maybe a tree that isn't easily cut down.
I share about 90 percent of my photos with HW,id probably share photos if they ask nice.
Just carry a couple climbing sticks and hang them...
Yea that, I always hang my cams high! :yeah:
Post by: kodiak06 on September 05, 2024, 09:32:05 PM
Outlaw cameras and thermal stuff in the woods.
It's ridiculous.
The end.
This ^^^ 100%
Gary
LOL, cameras aren't hurting anything
Post by: 2MANY on September 06, 2024, 08:57:12 AM
Cameras give hunters a schedule of animal movements. It's 100% unfair and Flys in the face of the Sportsman's Code, page 173, paragraph 2.1
Put in your time scouting, quit baiting, and hunt the animals like they deserve to be hunted.
Post by: Feathernfurr on September 06, 2024, 09:04:03 AM
Post by: MeepDog on September 06, 2024, 09:23:08 AM
Post by: 2MANY on September 06, 2024, 09:42:39 AM
AND
Of course I've done enough to establishmy own opinion which is what it is.
I feel the same way about hiring 10 spotters.
Post by: Feathernfurr on September 06, 2024, 10:04:46 AM
Post by: hunter399 on September 06, 2024, 11:52:11 AM
I'm sure the trail cam issue has came up in a commission meeting.
I'd be fine with banning trail cam use during the season , Sept 1 - dec31. Most of my trail cam use is done by September.
Mainly to inventory animals, we all want to hunt where animal are located.
All my cams are SD card cams,I do not use cell cams or any type of thermal camera or drone. That's my choice,I do not mind what others use as long as it's legal.
Post by: GASoline71 on September 06, 2024, 12:02:27 PM
But just like everything else in this "industy", we have dumbed it down due to laziness. Sure it makes it easier to set up a cell camera on a ridge and check it from your recliner. Instead of driving out dozens of times a year to actually watch that same ridge to see what's going on. We also have bows capable of kills out past 100 yards, muzzleloaders capable of shooting close to 200 yard groups like modern rifles, everyone wants a muzzle brake or a can on the end of their rifle, all the clothing we use nowadays is so lightweight and comfy, it makes you wonder how we hunted in woolies and union suits with wood stock rifles and fixed 4 power scopes, mediocre compounds, and sidelock muzzleloaders 30 years ago. But I digress... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Gary
Post by: hunter399 on September 06, 2024, 12:25:33 PM
I think the game camera trend is way out of hand. I use them on my property for the 2 legged A-holes that sneak around in the dark and steal stuff. And we have one on the 40 acre private parcel we hunt at the access gate. We do see quite a few deer on it though. :chuckle:I totally agree with ya. The hunting was way better 30 years ago.
But just like everything else in this "industy", we have dumbed it down due to laziness. Sure it makes it easier to set up a cell camera on a ridge and check it from your recliner. Instead of driving out dozens of times a year to actually watch that same ridge to see what's going on. We also have bows capable of kills out past 100 yards, muzzleloaders capable of shooting close to 200 yard groups like modern rifles, everyone wants a muzzle brake or a can on the end of their rifle, all the clothing we use nowadays is so lightweight and comfy, it makes you wonder how we hunted in woolies and union suits with wood stock rifles and fixed 4 power scopes, mediocre compounds, and sidelock muzzleloaders 30 years ago. But I digress... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Gary
Now we have onx,SxS,1000 yard rifles out the box with hand loading instructions. I feel what your saying.
But we have went so far forward,that there is no going back.
Can't beat ,join 'em.
With that said ,I still wear blue jeans,still put on a flannel to hunt sometimes. Still leave my junk at home sometimes,put a knife on my belt,some TP in my back pocket. Take my rifle that just sighted in for 100 yards . GO HUNT.
I do wish we could go back, open sight 30/30,my knife and that's it.
So now I just draw a line for myself on what is fair chase is for me .
Post by: chukardogs on September 06, 2024, 01:27:48 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on September 06, 2024, 01:52:00 PM
I think the game camera trend is way out of hand. I use them on my property for the 2 legged A-holes that sneak around in the dark and steal stuff. And we have one on the 40 acre private parcel we hunt at the access gate. We do see quite a few deer on it though. :chuckle:I totally agree with ya. The hunting was way better 30 years ago.
But just like everything else in this "industy", we have dumbed it down due to laziness. Sure it makes it easier to set up a cell camera on a ridge and check it from your recliner. Instead of driving out dozens of times a year to actually watch that same ridge to see what's going on. We also have bows capable of kills out past 100 yards, muzzleloaders capable of shooting close to 200 yard groups like modern rifles, everyone wants a muzzle brake or a can on the end of their rifle, all the clothing we use nowadays is so lightweight and comfy, it makes you wonder how we hunted in woolies and union suits with wood stock rifles and fixed 4 power scopes, mediocre compounds, and sidelock muzzleloaders 30 years ago. But I digress... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Gary
Now we have onx,SxS,1000 yard rifles out the box with hand loading instructions. I feel what your saying.
But we have went so far forward,that there is no going back.
Can't beat ,join 'em.
With that said ,I still wear blue jeans,still put on a flannel to hunt sometimes. Still leave my junk at home sometimes,put a knife on my belt,some TP in my back pocket. Take my rifle that just sighted in for 100 yards . GO HUNT.
I do wish we could go back, open sight 30/30,my knife and that's it.
So now I just draw a line for myself on what is fair chase is for me .
Yessiree! I will admit that OnX has probably been the one new "tech" that I have embraced. I still hunt elk when its really cold in woolies and long johns. Warmer weather, Jeans and a jacket or flannel for me too, unless it's raining or wet. Then it's rain gear.
I bought a big mountain hauler type pack 2 years ago and have yet to use it. Don't know if I ever will. LOL. It is nice to just have a knife and a sharpener on my belt, and a wad of TP in my back pocket. My hunting style has changed a lot as I have aged. I'm approaching 60 and my knees don't allow me the freedoms I once had in the backcountry. But, I trudge along the best i can. Technological advances in the hunting and fishing industry are mind numbing to me. There just seems like a gadget or gizmo for every single thing nowadays. I'm too simple minded to change. haha. How's that song go? "I'm a dinosaur, should have died out a long time before... hand me my hat, excuse me man, but where is the door?" :chuckle:
Gary
Post by: chukardogs on September 06, 2024, 01:56:49 PM
I can't believe that the state fish and wildlife haven't thought of that. Am I reading too much into it? Are the camera's and cell phone's that sophisticated and accurate that they'll give you real time info? If so, I gotta get me some.
Post by: GASoline71 on September 06, 2024, 03:43:30 PM
I can't find anything in the regulations that says a person couldn't set up game camera's in a canyon or on a trail and then sit farther up or down the canyon or trail and then have the camera tell you when an animal walked in front of the camera's.
I can't believe that the state fish and wildlife haven't thought of that. Am I reading too much into it? Are the camera's and cell phone's that sophisticated and accurate that they'll give you real time info? If so, I gotta get me some.
That right there is reason enough to have them out of the woods during the hunting season.
Gary
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Post by: ganghis on September 06, 2024, 04:14:34 PM
Most of the places I hunt are away from roads and don't have cell service, so if someone wants to do the work to put them in and check the sd cards over multiple backpacking weekends I don't have a problem with it. I've done it on occasion (including this season) and have used them to cross places off (no spike elk or legal bucks in this drainage, etc.)...I think that can save some time but is no way a slam dunk.
I do not, and will never bait, because that doesn't jive with my personal ethic. But I know other people do and don't want to do the "this is the right way to hunt, that is the wrong way to hunt" thing. Hound hunting deer was legal when I lived in NC and that kind of pissed me off too. Since then though, I've kind of taken up the mentality that there's enough other forces against us hunters, I'd rather everyone just do their own thing as long as it's not anything egregious.
As for the original thread, that sucks that people took your stuff hunter399. I hope mine are still in place when I get to my elk spot in early October! There's one wallow in particular that I've seen other hunters flagging going into in the past - giving it a 50/50 chance that the wallow cam is still there!
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 06, 2024, 06:21:53 PM
The bear hunters had shot a bear earlier in the morning and had lost the trail. I would guess in the heat it wasn't much good if they ever found it.
Post by: chukardogs on September 06, 2024, 08:21:20 PM
Where's that point where the technology takes over and the ability to hunt and shoot falls to the way side? I have a buddy with one of them fancy scopes that's set up for his specific caliber out to like a thousand yards. The state says, sure, you can bait deer and elk. Throw in a cellphone camera set-up that let's you know when the animal will be standing 1000 yards away. Can we really call that hunting?
Camera's in the field for watching animals throughout the year, sure. Camera's in the field as an active hunting tool crosses a line for me. I'm just surprised the state hasn't already seen this possibility. They jumped on the drone usage during the season as soon as it became a thing.
Post by: GWP on September 07, 2024, 07:41:10 AM
I suppose hunting by drone would be the next step from that.
48 cameras in one area?!?! Good grief.
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 07, 2024, 07:59:19 AM
48 cameras in one area?!?! Good grief.
Just think that is only a small area of a unit. What about all the folks on the west side that are hanging cameras over the hill in the east side. Not counting the other cameras' that we have run across while in the field.
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Post by: raydog on September 07, 2024, 10:33:35 AM
How unstable is our animal population due to advances in technology associated with hunting?I think about this a lot as more and more things come out that make killing easier. It especially hits home for me in what are supposed to be primitive seasons.
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I think cell cams should have some restrictions. I know of several people who will run out the door if they get a notification..... Personally feel it crosses a line