Post by: bigtex on September 12, 2024, 01:32:30 PM
On the USFS law enforcement front there's been a mass exodus due to a change in policy affecting their pay. About a third of USFS LEOs in WA, CA and other states have left in the past 6 months. In WA most of these LEOs are deputized by the county sheriff and handle typical LE calls on behalf of the Sheriff. Them being gone now puts a bigger strain on the Sheriff's offices.
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on September 12, 2024, 02:16:22 PM
Post by: baldopepper on September 12, 2024, 02:19:32 PM
Additionally many of those seasonal jobs were filled by area locals who were dependent on that income. Sad to.hear
Post by: addicted1 on September 12, 2024, 02:20:17 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 12, 2024, 08:52:16 PM
Can't think that's a good thing. Campgrounds have been seeing unprecedented usage the last couple of years with no let up in sight. Hard to think.how they'll look next summer with no seasonal help.Actually, that is not the case most are filled with college kids from all over the country including local.
Additionally many of those seasonal jobs were filled by area locals who were dependent on that income. Sad to.hear
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Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 12, 2024, 09:16:32 PM
“Do more with less” is what all of us do currently. Jack of all trades.
Hopefully a budget is passed and not another CR. Forest Service is really shooting themselves in the foot trying to make every non fire job a permanent seasonal. Good luck getting a hippie wanting to do trails work to stick around for 6 months a year.
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 13, 2024, 06:47:30 AM
It’s going to be tough filling fire crews out even. Will have to tell college students that sorry can’t hire you for a fire job as we can only hire an “x” amount based on the staffing requirements of a crew or module. I Only get 10 pay periods for a temporary fire crew employee (20 weeks) next summer and pretty much 3 of those pay periods will be eaten up by useless mandated training.Yes that was the biggest reason for all of this was they made quite a few seasonal positions PSE's (part time seasonal). Example there is 26 pay periods on the year. Some PSE's are 18 and 8's meaning 18 PPs on 8 off some other 13 and 13. In 14 years I have worked for the government they have not passed a budget on time this year won't be no different. It will be a CR and won't be no less the 3 months. I saw some seasonal in a district meeting yesterday on the verge of tears. It was very sad.
“Do more with less” is what all of us do currently. Jack of all trades.
Hopefully a budget is passed and not another CR. Forest Service is really shooting themselves in the foot trying to make every non fire job a permanent seasonal. Good luck getting a hippie wanting to do trails work to stick around for 6 months a year.
Post by: bigtex on September 13, 2024, 09:30:45 AM
Appears there is more than one way to defund the police. Keep shifting funds....On the LE staffing standpoint. I'm actually going to defend/agree with the USFS on this one. The agency had been incorrectly interpreting federal LE pay overtime policies for a couple decades. When confronted of this issue the agency aligned with federal law which meant a reduction in pay for the LEOs, which caused many to leave the agency.
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 14, 2024, 04:07:43 PM
I don't know what the answer is, but public forest management needs a change in leadership/mentality, maybe as an elected agency. :dunno:
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 14, 2024, 06:47:04 PM
It’s going to be tough filling fire crews out even. Will have to tell college students that sorry can’t hire you for a fire job as we can only hire an “x” amount based on the staffing requirements of a crew or module. I Only get 10 pay periods for a temporary fire crew employee (20 weeks) next summer and pretty much 3 of those pay periods will be eaten up by useless mandated training.Yes that was the biggest reason for all of this was they made quite a few seasonal positions PSE's (part time seasonal). Example there is 26 pay periods on the year. Some PSE's are 18 and 8's meaning 18 PPs on 8 off some other 13 and 13. In 14 years I have worked for the government they have not passed a budget on time this year won't be no different. It will be a CR and won't be no less the 3 months. I saw some seasonal in a district meeting yesterday on the verge of tears. It was very sad.
“Do more with less” is what all of us do currently. Jack of all trades.
Hopefully a budget is passed and not another CR. Forest Service is really shooting themselves in the foot trying to make every non fire job a permanent seasonal. Good luck getting a hippie wanting to do trails work to stick around for 6 months a year.
I’m a president of a Local in R1 these days and seeing the same thing from the people who care about having the ground pounders on the ground, MTDC is going to feel the pain next year.
Post by: timberfaller on September 14, 2024, 09:44:41 PM
Good luck getting it reversed. Barred Owl anyone?? If you've been following this new fiasco!! :o