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Title: Ford Engine Questions?
Post by: CP on September 12, 2024, 02:25:13 PM: 3.5L PFDI or 3.5 Eco boost? Power is obvious but:

Which is more reliable?

Which gets better MPG?

Ford haters feel free to comment.
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Post by: Dan-o on September 12, 2024, 02:47:02 PM: I would ask @jackelope

He works this stuff all day.
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Post by: wadu1 on September 12, 2024, 03:22:11 PM: Quote from: Dan-o on September 12, 2024, 02:47:02 PM
I would ask @jackelope

He works this stuff all day.
:yeah:
Helped me through a Ford issue with ease.
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Post by: CP on September 12, 2024, 03:30:41 PM: Yeah, Jackalope has helped me out many times as well. Been a great resource. I’m sure He’ll weigh in when he sees this.
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Post by: follow maggie on September 12, 2024, 05:00:44 PM: What’s pfdi?
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Post by: frazierw on September 12, 2024, 05:12:45 PM: Don’t get the 5.0 in 2018-2020. At 67k mine started burning oil like crazy. Of course ford sent a bulletin out about it but since it was passed warranty I am hosed. Sick.
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Post by: buglebuster on September 12, 2024, 05:49:58 PM: The answer is 6.7 😉

I love my 6.7, but a couple guys have the 3.5 eco boost at work and they tow decent size camp trailers and boats all summer. They love them, and haven’t had any problems. They also get good mileage and have plenty of pep.
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Post by: jackelope on September 12, 2024, 07:02:45 PM: What vehicle? I own one of each and spend my life surrounded by them.
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Post by: 280ackley on September 12, 2024, 07:31:57 PM: I've got a 2018 F150 3.5 eco boost with 210k on it. I get around 20-21 mpgs on the highway and around 17-18 when i spend a bit of time on logging roads. It did start getting the cam phaser rattle at about 160k miles and I had that taken care of at about 180k. Overall the 3.5 eco boost been a decent motor for me.
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Post by: jackelope on September 12, 2024, 07:34:40 PM: 205k on my 2016 Ecoboost Explorer sport. No phaser issues. Super fun to drive.
I’ve replaced PTU’s and water pumps on both cars. 2014 explorer not ecoboost and 2016 explorer ecoboost.
Title: Re: Ford Engine Questions?
Post by: CP on September 13, 2024, 05:04:52 AM: Quote from: jackelope on September 12, 2024, 07:02:45 PM
What vehicle? I own one of each and spend my life surrounded by them.

The vehicle will be a Transit.
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Post by: CP on September 13, 2024, 05:06:56 AM: Quote from: follow maggie on September 12, 2024, 05:00:44 PM
What’s pfdi?

"Referred to as PFDI, this dual-delivery system features two fuel injectors per cylinder These injectors work together to improve power output, eficiency and emissions One injector located in each intake port where air enters the cylinder (Port Injection) One injector located inside each cylinder (Direct Injection) Flex-fuel (E85) capable"
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Post by: jackelope on September 13, 2024, 06:57:18 AM: I guess I’d say that we don’t have issues with either. The 3.5 ecoboost issues of old seem to be fixed in the new ones. Can’t speak to the fuel economy. I guess I don’t have a 3.5 pfdi but I do have an ecoboost. I have an older 3.5 non ecoboost in an explorer. The difference in power is night and day and my ecoboost shows better fuel economy than the NA one, but the NA one is driven by my kid back and forth to school and that’s about it. I haven’t driven either engine in a transit. I’ll guess that the power difference would make me want to have the ecoboost. The NA explorer is a gutless turd.
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Post by: CP on September 13, 2024, 07:42:02 AM: A lot of love for the EB. But not much info on the PFDI. I guess it's still relatively new.
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Post by: b23 on September 13, 2024, 10:09:45 AM: Not sure how different the newer PFDI 3.5L is but we had a Duratec 3.5L V6 in a MkZ that we drove the bejeezus out of. We put more miles on that car then anything I've ever owned. It had nearly 250,000 on it when we traded it in and except for routine oil & filter, air filter changes, and spark plugs once that engine ran perfectly without a single issue ever. Wife's new car is 2011 MkS with 3.5 Ecoboost, I think we're around 114K on it, and as jackelope mentioned there's night and day difference with regard to power and it has been flawless so far as well. Had a 2017 Explorer with 3.5L Ecoboost for a couple years but we didn't have it very long I think it only had around 20K when we sold it but it too had zero issues.

A good friend of mine had the first year they put 3.5 Ecoboost in the F150's. He had over 280,000 on it when he bought a new one in 2022 and I wouldn't consider him real high on maintenance but other then basic oil & filters changes and maybe spark plugs once he had zero issues with it.

There's good and bad with any brand but I think, some, of the horror stories you hear/read about get shouted out and made into being the norm when they're the exception.
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Post by: jackelope on September 13, 2024, 12:12:44 PM: My 3.5 ecoboost has 205k miles on it. Not flawless but not terrible. My other has 165k miles on it. The earlier ecoboost turbos failed once in a while. Not really a thing with the newer ones so far.
In a big transit you don’t have to worry about million dollar water pumps that the explorers have.
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Post by: duckman18 on September 20, 2024, 09:06:54 PM: I have a 2018 3.5 eco started rattling at 70,000 did phasers, chain, guide, tensioner, at 85,000. At about 105,000 now
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Post by: BuckDuck77 on September 20, 2024, 10:20:17 PM: Mines a 2017 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost had to have the motor replaced at 88k luckily under warranty. Now at 100k I’m constantly getting misfires. Love the truck I feel like ford has the best interiors and looks but don’t like the problems mine has had. Good luck!
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Post by: thinkingman on October 15, 2024, 02:51:48 PM: Quote from: BuckDuck77 on September 20, 2024, 10:20:17 PM
Mines a 2017 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost had to have the motor replaced at 88k luckily under warranty. Now at 100k I’m constantly getting misfires. Love the truck I feel like ford has the best interiors and looks but don’t like the problems mine has had. Good luck!
My 2015 3.5 EB has 170k and needed a coil pack to fix a misfire.
I did need new exhaust manifolds at about 150k....I paid $1800 to have those done.
Also, boost regulator valve was a DIY for about $50 to fix an underboost code.
Great rig.
Drives like it's a year old and has spent plenty of days on backcountry cobble.

People on here are tired of hearing me bash Toyota but my F150 is 10x the rig and I'm at 170,000 miles so I think I'm qualified to make a few observations.
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Post by: Happy Gilmore on October 15, 2024, 03:35:50 PM: My BIL has the Explorer with the 4 banger turbo. It rips. Has over 230k not a single issue.
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Post by: Wolfdog2314 on October 15, 2024, 04:10:12 PM: Quote from: thinkingman on October 15, 2024, 02:51:48 PM
Quote from: BuckDuck77 on September 20, 2024, 10:20:17 PM
Mines a 2017 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost had to have the motor replaced at 88k luckily under warranty. Now at 100k I’m constantly getting misfires. Love the truck I feel like ford has the best interiors and looks but don’t like the problems mine has had. Good luck!
My 2015 3.5 EB has 170k and needed a coil pack to fix a misfire.
I did need new exhaust manifolds at about 150k....I paid $1800 to have those done.
Also, boost regulator valve was a DIY for about $50 to fix an underboost code.
Great rig.
Drives like it's a year old and has spent plenty of days on backcountry cobble.

People on here are tired of hearing me bash Toyota but my F150 is 10x the rig and I'm at 170,000 miles so I think I'm qualified to make a few observations.

New plugs, catch can, and new electronic turbo blowoff/bypass/regulating valve is what fixed my misfire issues. Most specifically that valve. I had a tear in mine. 155,000 on my 3.5 ecoboost and it has never ran better.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on October 15, 2024, 04:45:56 PM: Just bought a 2022 Explorer ST 3.0 twin turbo. Black on black That thing smokes. Have wasted some Tesla's off stop lights. I haven't owned a Ford in a while so just following along to see what everyone has found. Thinking down the road of replacing my Ram 2500 but think I want to run that one in the ground being it is a 6.2 hemi and you won't be finding those new anymore.

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Post by: Taco280AI on October 15, 2024, 07:04:06 PM: Seems like the '21+ 3.5 EBs are solid, as the previous issues have been fixed. Only have 6xxx miles on mine, but it's so smooth, quiet and powerful it constantly impresses me. The mileage could be better, and it's eco OR boost, certainly not both.