Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 22, 2024, 12:22:36 AM
A few weeks later I suggested to two disabled & one elderly hunter to go hunting up Harlan ridge since it was an easy walk past an existing USFS gate. I was later informed by the hunters that a new gate was installed several miles lower on the road leading up. I drove up and checked out the new gate to see if it was a USFS or what but couldn't tell who installed it.I stopped by the ranger station to ask what the justification for the gate was since there was already one up higher. The district ranger told me the Tulalip tribe installed the gate because they didn't want non tribal members up there. Now all the property on Harlan ridge is USFS property (public)not tribal owned. The USFS has allowed the Tulalip tribe to harvest huckleberries, cut down and burn trees up there to cultivate the berry plants even though they don't own the property. The Tulalip tribe claimed it was ancesterial berry gathering ground even though the it was previously logged by Weyerhauser and access at that time would have been impossible. To deny other out recreationists access to public land is not right. Our tax dollars pay for road up keep and access. I was informed by the district ranger that the Tulalips didn't want any acknowledgement that the gate was installed by them for fear of the bad publicity. With that being said they know that installing the gate in order to keep they general public out is wrong.
I am hoping that removing the gate and allowing back public access to their land is restored. The Tulalip tribe has hired an ex For terra employee to handle their future land acquisitions so this a sign of things to come.
Post by: JakeLand on October 22, 2024, 04:39:02 AM
Who do we contact state or federal to fix this problem
Post by: BA Mongor on October 22, 2024, 06:47:54 AM
The insanity should stop. They live in America. We didn't occupy Japan because it wasn't on America soil. These groups live in the USA.
They lost.....We won. That should be the end of it.
No More Unlimited Hunting Rights
No More Unlimited Access To Our Lands
No More Locking Us Out Of Our Lands
It's Time These Groups Abide By the Laws That We All Adhere To !!!!
Post by: JDArms1240 on October 22, 2024, 06:50:48 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 22, 2024, 07:47:59 AM
It is just not right that our federal/public land be locked out to the public where our tax dollars go for road maintenance, fire fighting, etc. It's a different bird if they actually owned the property or part of it but they don't it's totally federal land. For them to put right tell the district ranger that they don't want people up there, and they want no signs at the gate because it will cause bad publicity is total BS. Well I am going to give them bad publicity alright.
When I asked what would happen to someone who went around the tribes gate he said there's nothing the federal LEO could do since it was not put up by them.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 22, 2024, 08:00:11 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 22, 2024, 08:22:11 AM
If it’s not illegal to go around, I know what I’d be doing and it wouldn’t be going around.😉
:yeah:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 22, 2024, 08:27:40 AM
Post by: Whitefoot on October 22, 2024, 08:34:50 AM
It will not be removed. We continue to lose access to the lands we all pay for to special interest groups who live in the USA.
The insanity should stop. They live in America. We didn't occupy Japan because it wasn't on America soil. These groups live in the USA.
They lost.....We won. That should be the end of it.
No More Unlimited Hunting Rights
No More Unlimited Access To Our Lands
No More Locking Us Out Of Our Lands
It's Time These Groups Abide By the Laws That We All Adhere To !!!!
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2024, 08:55:19 AM
Ya that 2nd gate has been there well over a year now I think and it’s complete BS
Who do we contact state or federal to fix this problem
If the land is indeed FS land, contact your US representative to have the gate removed. Another issue could be whether it's ceded land. As I understand it, ceded land is land that the tribes gave up by signing treaties. They are sometimes later claimed if the treaties were not followed or members of the tribe were not consulted at the time of signing the treaty with the specifics of giving up that land.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 22, 2024, 09:21:21 AM
Post by: lewy on October 22, 2024, 11:09:46 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 22, 2024, 12:30:22 PM
Post by: lewy on October 22, 2024, 12:46:59 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 22, 2024, 12:57:54 PM
See who agreed to what and what steps where skipped.
Sorry but politicians won't help.
FS is screwed up and local politicians are bought and paid for by tribes already.
Post by: GASoline71 on October 22, 2024, 01:06:18 PM
FOI request for any correspondence between the FS and the tribe. And between FS employees.
See who agreed to what and what steps where skipped.
Sorry but politicians won't help.
FS is screwed up and local politicians are bought and paid for by tribes already.
Just a heads up FOIA requests are about 4 to 6 months out. I'm still waiting on FOIA requests I filed around June. Have been told numerous times that there have been overwhelming numbers of requests coming in (federal and state) and they are extrememly behind.
Gary
Post by: bigtex on October 22, 2024, 02:25:47 PM
:yeah:FOI request for any correspondence between the FS and the tribe. And between FS employees.
See who agreed to what and what steps where skipped.
Sorry but politicians won't help.
FS is screwed up and local politicians are bought and paid for by tribes already.
Just a heads up FOIA requests are about 4 to 6 months out. I'm still waiting on FOIA requests I filed around June. Have been told numerous times that there have been overwhelming numbers of requests coming in (federal and state) and they are extrememly behind.
Gary
Heritage Foundation has been flooding federal agencies with FOIA requests the past couple months.
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Post by: Meathunter06 on October 22, 2024, 05:09:41 PM
Id be hauling my excavator up there and digging it out or torching it down :twocents::yeah: It's time we start dealing with these parasites :pee:
Post by: lewy on October 22, 2024, 05:46:20 PM
And to go along with that some vigilante justice of these pos humans that the courts wont prosecute and deal with, we need to clean up our country its a mess.
Post by: Tbar on October 22, 2024, 07:56:21 PM
Who are the parasites?Id be hauling my excavator up there and digging it out or torching it down :twocents::yeah: It's time we start dealing with these parasites :pee:
Post by: Tbar on October 22, 2024, 07:57:11 PM
Amen.Who are the POS humans you're referring to?
And to go along with that some vigilante justice of these pos humans that the courts wont prosecute and deal with, we need to clean up our country its a mess.
Post by: Tbar on October 22, 2024, 08:11:13 PM
Post by: Tbar on October 22, 2024, 08:22:55 PM
It will not be removed. We continue to lose access to the lands we all pay for to special interest groups who live in the USA.
The insanity should stop. They live in America. We didn't occupy Japan because it wasn't on America soil. These groups live in the USA.
They lost.....We won. That should be the end of it.
No More Unlimited Hunting Rights
No More Unlimited Access To Our Lands
No More Locking Us Out Of Our Lands
It's Time These Groups Abide By the Laws That We All Adhere To !!!!
Very uninformed post to be nice. It was not a win loss situation. It was a peace time treaty based on settlement of many disputed landscapes. I can go way deeper but feel you probably have your mind made up and facts matter very little to you by reading the quoted post.
Post by: Tbar on October 22, 2024, 08:28:40 PM
Post by: Alan K on October 22, 2024, 09:24:40 PM
Post by: tracksoup on October 22, 2024, 09:35:08 PM
For those truly interested in changing access and habitat for the better I can make a friendly suggestion. There is a current process to amend the northwest forest plan. Although there will not be an opportunity to adjust the lsr boundaries that have not accomplished their desired intent, there may be an opportunity to change what's allowed within the lsr designation. Expanding opportunity for harvest within amp and lsr could serve a multitude of benefits.
Huh???? :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 22, 2024, 09:49:54 PM
Who gets the keys...
NVRMND
Post by: Tbar on October 22, 2024, 10:00:42 PM
So tribes can now gate land they see fit...in the name of stewardship and protection from over use by legal user groups... because the FS is broke... interesting concept.Oversimplification of complex issues. Underfunded federal agencies need funding.
Who gets the keys...
NVRMND
Post by: Tbar on October 22, 2024, 10:04:24 PM
I'd bet there would be less heartburn if the gate was closed to everyone or open to everyone. The double standard is where people get upset with these things. Especially when one group advocates for gates to close out 99% of people knowing they'll still have access. :twocents:Does weyco open gates in accordance with the tax breaks they receive?
Post by: HntnFsh on October 23, 2024, 05:37:46 AM
I'd bet there would be less heartburn if the gate was closed to everyone or open to everyone. The double standard is where people get upset with these things. Especially when one group advocates for gates to close out 99% of people knowing they'll still have access. :twocents:Does weyco open gates in accordance with the tax breaks they receive?
Not sure where your going with that comment as its early and I need a lot more coffee this morning.
But Weyco owns their lands. They have more say in how the land is used because of that. The lands being talked about arent owned by the tribe, so why should they be able to dictate land use?
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 23, 2024, 06:26:37 AM
So tribes can now gate land they see fit...in the name of stewardship and protection from over use by legal user groups... because the FS is broke... interesting concept.Oversimplification of complex issues. Underfunded federal agencies need funding.
Who gets the keys...
NVRMND
It's actually quite simple....
Is funding and land management complex . Yes.
Is gating property you don't own and controlling the access complex. NO
Can you not see why people are frustrated and angry about issues like this.
Or is the "complexity" of the situation justification enough.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 23, 2024, 07:53:59 AM
Post by: Tbar on October 23, 2024, 08:24:23 AM
I think I'll take a break from this topic for a minute as I really dont think it's productive for me to attempt. I will say that hunters are a small subset and caught in the crossfire to an extent. The complexities are more in the arena of homelessness, drug use, theft and other illegal activities on one end of the spectrum and the complete other end, but just a large of an impact is over use by the non consumptive crowd. These public lands cannot handle the level of use across agencies. We (myself included) tend to don blinders in our advocacy of what we're passionate or care deeply about. So continue on with your wrong titled thread and your continued call to action in many negative ways. I digress, have a great day.So tribes can now gate land they see fit...in the name of stewardship and protection from over use by legal user groups... because the FS is broke... interesting concept.Oversimplification of complex issues. Underfunded federal agencies need funding.
Who gets the keys...
NVRMND
It's actually quite simple....
Is funding and land management complex . Yes.
Is gating property you don't own and controlling the access complex. NO
Can you not see why people are frustrated and angry about issues like this.
Or is the "complexity" of the situation justification enough.
Post by: elkrack on October 24, 2024, 12:42:25 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on October 24, 2024, 03:09:40 PM
Simple. Go rip the gates out. It’s not the tribes land to lock up :twocents:
Yeah, do it.. lol
Post by: BA Mongor on October 24, 2024, 03:22:54 PM
That way they can at least earn their unjustified, underserved, and what should be illegal special privilege access.
Post by: Scruffy on October 24, 2024, 05:22:16 PM
Post by: lewy on October 24, 2024, 07:39:57 PM
Post by: elkrack on October 24, 2024, 09:22:45 PM
Simple. Go rip the gates out. It’s not the tribes land to lock up :twocents:
Yeah, do it.. lol
It’s funny how your response is always something similar to this response. You are part of the problem not the solution :twocents:
Post by: MeepDog on October 25, 2024, 07:09:39 AM
Post by: Whitpirate on October 25, 2024, 08:58:05 AM
I'd bet there would be less heartburn if the gate was closed to everyone or open to everyone. The double standard is where people get upset with these things. Especially when one group advocates for gates to close out 99% of people knowing they'll still have access. :twocents:
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 25, 2024, 09:27:51 AM
When tribes buy private land outside the rez, I get a very strong feeling that land will never be up for sale again.
Smart people never sell their real estate, regardless of race.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 25, 2024, 12:06:40 PM
Post by: Cylvertip on October 25, 2024, 01:02:29 PM
Post by: Tbar on October 25, 2024, 05:10:32 PM
Deal with? Please elaborate.... :dunno:It's ok I got an email from the supervisor of the District ranger who told me there's other places in the ranger district that I could enjoy the outdoors in. So even though it's public land I should go else where it sounds like.Sounds like it's time to start dealing with this crap :beatdeadhorse:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 25, 2024, 06:57:10 PM
Post by: HillHound on October 25, 2024, 07:12:29 PM
I hope the Tulalip Tribe gets all the negative publicity they didn't want.:yeah: might as well sell it to China they will give more for it and we will have the same access… none. STOP selling land to other nations!
Post by: Tbar on October 25, 2024, 09:44:40 PM
:hello: Will do. Probably the best advice you've given.Tbar go take a nap the less you know the better :peep:Deal with? Please elaborate.... :dunno:It's ok I got an email from the supervisor of the District ranger who told me there's other places in the ranger district that I could enjoy the outdoors in. So even though it's public land I should go else where it sounds like.Sounds like it's time to start dealing with this crap :beatdeadhorse:
Post by: TriggerMike on October 29, 2024, 12:53:12 PM
It will not be removed. We continue to lose access to the lands we all pay for to special interest groups who live in the USA.
The insanity should stop. They live in America. We didn't occupy Japan because it wasn't on America soil. These groups live in the USA.
They lost.....We won. That should be the end of it.
No More Unlimited Hunting Rights
No More Unlimited Access To Our Lands
No More Locking Us Out Of Our Lands
It's Time These Groups Abide By the Laws That We All Adhere To !!!!
Very uninformed post to be nice. It was not a win loss situation. It was a peace time treaty based on settlement of many disputed landscapes. I can go way deeper but feel you probably have your mind made up and facts matter very little to you by reading the quoted post.
It was only peace time because the Indians would've been decimated if they kept fighting...That means they were conquered, and lost. And the only reason they didn't end up completely wiped out at the time was solely due to politics at the federal level. It's that simple.
Post by: Tbar on October 29, 2024, 05:24:20 PM
Hmm. What were the politics at the federal level? This draws comparison to Bobby Boucher's reasonings to why alligators are aggressive. Very short sighted view.....It will not be removed. We continue to lose access to the lands we all pay for to special interest groups who live in the USA.
The insanity should stop. They live in America. We didn't occupy Japan because it wasn't on America soil. These groups live in the USA.
They lost.....We won. That should be the end of it.
No More Unlimited Hunting Rights
No More Unlimited Access To Our Lands
No More Locking Us Out Of Our Lands
It's Time These Groups Abide By the Laws That We All Adhere To !!!!
Very uninformed post to be nice. It was not a win loss situation. It was a peace time treaty based on settlement of many disputed landscapes. I can go way deeper but feel you probably have your mind made up and facts matter very little to you by reading the quoted post.
It was only peace time because the Indians would've been decimated if they kept fighting...That means they were conquered, and lost. And the only reason they didn't end up completely wiped out at the time was solely due to politics at the federal level. It's that simple.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 30, 2024, 04:20:42 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 30, 2024, 06:52:01 AM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on October 30, 2024, 07:05:52 AM
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Post by: TriggerMike on October 30, 2024, 10:47:18 AM
People should really be concerned in the fact that the Tulalip Tribe hired the one person that acquires land from Forterra. Forterra acquired properties from private land owners like Weyco. Forterra allowed public access where as the Tulalips absolutely will not!!!Probably how they just bought 10,000 acres in the Snoqualmie Tree Farm.
Post by: HillHound on October 30, 2024, 01:50:50 PM
In the current political climate all but the tribes would be banished, be careful what you ask forThen along those same current political climate lines we could all just identify as Native Americans. Unfortunately, those that have these completely outdated treaty rights will soon find out that 50% of zero is still zero. They don’t work with the Game department at all. It’s a joke when they say they do. With the increasing rise of predators, eventually hunting will be closed to anybody but native Americans and there will be nothing left for the Native Americans to even hunt. It would be nice if they would wake up and realize that the pool they are pulling from is much smaller and has a lot more people fishing/hunting in it than it did hundreds of years ago when these outdated treaties Were created. White settlers on the land also had the right to go out and Procure food off the landscape at one time. And times changed and tags and seasons were introduced. Wake up and welcome to the year 2024.
Post by: firstlog on November 05, 2024, 10:45:11 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 05, 2024, 11:51:52 AM