Post by: Taco280AI on October 26, 2024, 02:49:39 PM
So we went to a mountain area neither of us had been to, but one that I had wanted to check out. The first time I only saw a spike and forkie. The second time I saw a decent 3-point with a forkie. That second time he brought a friend of his to try and and get him his first deer. I knew and was cool with it, no issue.
I messaged them saying there's two bucks (a 3pt for me and a forky for his first timer buddy), and after a call they left the area they were looking and came to where I was, roughly 1.4 miles away.
Up until then he had only been glassing a burn, not getting way off the path - which he isn't at all afraid to do, just hadn't in this area.
By the time they got there, despite best efforts, those two bucks had gone into thick stuff and couldn't be found or spooked out. None of us got a buck that day.
Tomorrow is elk so I'm chilling at home today. I told him last night that if I don't get an elk on the first few days I'd go after that buck. He went hunting for deer again today up in the area we'd been going, but instead of going to the burn he'd been glassing the whole time, he went the next ridge over (verified by OnX) from where the buck I found bedded, giving him a view into where they were.
Initially he said he found a big 4x4, sweet! Go get him! I asked where he was, wondering of he went to the burn, no answer. A while later he said he didn't know if it was a 3pt or 4pt. I again asked where he was, no answer. I guess the buck was in a different spot today, but still close by, and he shot him. I asked if he needed help getting him out, I'll get my pack and get ready, told me to stand by till he got to it. I asked where he was again and he went the onX screen shot right above where they bedded. Sent a photo of the buck? You went after the buck I found? "It doesn't matter where I went"
Now this was a new area we both went to together so it wasn't mine or his. But the spot I found the buck was my spot, because he only kept glassing the burn. And he targeted the buck I found.
I think it's a Blue Falcon move, he says it doesn't matter where he went. Now had he simply asked if I cared if he went after the buck, cool no problem. But to target a buck someone else found and would later go after in that spot without saying anything or just asking... I'm really surprised he did that, especially him.
Was it a messed up move?
Or was it fair game, no questions necessary?
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 26, 2024, 02:55:32 PM
Post by: link on October 26, 2024, 03:06:09 PM
Post by: Dan-o on October 26, 2024, 03:14:33 PM
To me that's just part of hunting with folks.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 26, 2024, 03:29:17 PM
So you both first go to the area. Then you call dibs on a particular hillside? Kinda weird.
When he sits off the dirt road and I go hiking off trail, a mile away, find the buck, then he goes back after that very buck that I found... yes.
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 26, 2024, 03:32:30 PM
What if someone else rolled in and shot it...
If it was your go to spot for the last ten years then ya maybe some animosity..
But not a new area....don't stress about it. Drop everything show up buddies are hard to find.
Now fishing spots...that's completely different :chuckle:
Post by: Mfowl on October 26, 2024, 04:02:26 PM
If you had told your buddy you were planning on going back in there after the buck and he hurried up and went before you that would be messed up.
Post by: cblacker1 on October 26, 2024, 04:06:33 PM
Post by: jrebel on October 26, 2024, 04:11:43 PM
Next time call him after you kill it, he will come help pack it out!! :chuckle:
I guess at the end of the day....who cares who killed it. As a hunting buddy, I would be happy that one of you could get it done a nice buck.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 26, 2024, 04:14:11 PM
Did you tell your buddy you were planning on going back to hunt the area? You stated you were switching over to elk season, maybe he figured you were done and why not hunt it? If you were done with deer then I don't really see an issue. Be happy your buddy tagged out, drop everything and go pack some meat!
If you had told your buddy you were planning on going back in there after the buck and he hurried up and went before you that would be messed up.
Last night I said I was going for elk for a couple days, then if it doesn't happen I'd go back after that 3 point and wait some weather to come in for elk since it goes through the 9th. If I had no plans at all of that buck, who cares, please go and get it.
Sounds like you have a hard time
With... I'm asking for opinions, please share.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 26, 2024, 04:19:24 PM
Why did you call him to tell him about the buck if you didn't want him to hunt it?? Am I missing something??
Next time call him after you kill it, he will come help pack it out!! :chuckle:
I guess at the end of the day....who cares who killed it. As a hunting buddy, I would be happy that one of you could get it done a nice buck.
The second time we went up, there were three of us and it was his buddy that he brought that had never gotten a deer. So I called them up (we were high enough and actually had service) and said come over here, in hopes we'd get a double. I'd take the 3 point and his rookie friend would tag the forkie. They were about a mile off glassing the burn by the road. That's how they learned of that particular spot and the bucks.
Now I'm glad he got it instead of someone else, but when I told him I might go back after that very buck after a few days of elk - which I should have mentioned in the original post, and he went today to that very spot....
It doesn't change the friendship, he a good dude. And maybe I just see this incident differently. Why I'm asking.
Post by: jrebel on October 26, 2024, 04:22:47 PM
Why did you call him to tell him about the buck if you didn't want him to hunt it?? Am I missing something??
Next time call him after you kill it, he will come help pack it out!! :chuckle:
I guess at the end of the day....who cares who killed it. As a hunting buddy, I would be happy that one of you could get it done a nice buck.
The second time we went up, there were three of us and it was his buddy that he brought that had never gotten a deer. So I called them up (we were high enough and actually had service) and said come over here, in hopes we'd get a double. I'd take the 3 point and his rookie friend would tag the forkie. They were about a mile off glassing the burn by the road. That's how they learned of that particular spot and the bucks.
So when they got to you after you called, did you have the discussion you would like to take a crack at the 3x3? Or....did you all move on the deer and he just happen to get the better approach / shot?
Only way I would be pissed off.....I I told my friend I was going to shoot the 3x3 (because I spotted it) and he shot it out from under my.
Again, my opinion is your overthinking it, and should be happy the three of you didn't hike out without a deer. Again, going on limited info.....so take it for what it is worth?
Post by: Taco280AI on October 26, 2024, 04:25:06 PM
Why did you call him to tell him about the buck if you didn't want him to hunt it?? Am I missing something??
Next time call him after you kill it, he will come help pack it out!! :chuckle:
I guess at the end of the day....who cares who killed it. As a hunting buddy, I would be happy that one of you could get it done a nice buck.
The second time we went up, there were three of us and it was his buddy that he brought that had never gotten a deer. So I called them up (we were high enough and actually had service) and said come over here, in hopes we'd get a double. I'd take the 3 point and his rookie friend would tag the forkie. They were about a mile off glassing the burn by the road. That's how they learned of that particular spot and the bucks.
So when they got to you after you called, did you have the discussion you would like to take a crack at the 3x3? Or....did you all move on the deer and he just happen to get the better approach / shot?
Only way I would be pissed off.....I I told my friend I was going to shoot the 3x3 (because I spotted it) and he shot it out from under my.
Again, my opinion is your overthinking it, and should be happy the three of you didn't hike out without a deer. Again, going on limited info.....so take it for what it is worth?
None of us got a deer that day, by the time they got there the deer were all safely in the thick stuff and wouldn't come out. The discussion was I'd take the 3 point, his friend would take the forkie, but the way it worked out no shots were fired. I'm taking the day off because elk starts tomorrow and my buddy went up today by himself.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on October 26, 2024, 04:27:37 PM
Its all about communication. If you guys set the parameters of " what you see is what you get" then he may have well stepped outside the circle. To me scouting a new area with more than myself means all of its available together, we share data with understanding the intel is a 2 way street. If someone wants to target a particular spot or critter it falls to the finder and they can "call" it. If not no biggie and it's open. I also don't think a mile is anything "outside the area " so maybe mine and buddies parameters are different.
Post by: Platensek-po on October 26, 2024, 04:27:49 PM
Post by: jrebel on October 26, 2024, 04:28:17 PM
Why did you call him to tell him about the buck if you didn't want him to hunt it?? Am I missing something??
Next time call him after you kill it, he will come help pack it out!! :chuckle:
I guess at the end of the day....who cares who killed it. As a hunting buddy, I would be happy that one of you could get it done a nice buck.
The second time we went up, there were three of us and it was his buddy that he brought that had never gotten a deer. So I called them up (we were high enough and actually had service) and said come over here, in hopes we'd get a double. I'd take the 3 point and his rookie friend would tag the forkie. They were about a mile off glassing the burn by the road. That's how they learned of that particular spot and the bucks.
So when they got to you after you called, did you have the discussion you would like to take a crack at the 3x3? Or....did you all move on the deer and he just happen to get the better approach / shot?
Only way I would be pissed off.....I I told my friend I was going to shoot the 3x3 (because I spotted it) and he shot it out from under my.
Again, my opinion is your overthinking it, and should be happy the three of you didn't hike out without a deer. Again, going on limited info.....so take it for what it is worth?
None of us got a deer that day, by the time they got there the deer were all safely in the thick stuff and wouldn't come out. I'm taking the day off because elk starts tomorrow and my buddy went up today by himself.
I understand. Yeah, I don't see a problem with that. You took a day off, that doesn't mean your hunting buddy should. He is in the right....and you should be happy for him. :tup:
Post by: Sakko300wsm on October 26, 2024, 04:57:48 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on October 26, 2024, 05:33:34 PM
Good hunting partners are hard to come by, especially ones that show up and stay to the end to help carry the load. I am a die hard I will go till the day I die. Not everyone has that drive. I like seeing my buddies harvest because it keeps them coming back.
If you find a deer you want to hunt. Keep quiet or move over.
No deer is worth a hunting partner.
Post by: MADMAX on October 26, 2024, 05:34:28 PM
Sounds a little like competition to me. I would not care. It’s a deer it’s free range your buddy solved the puzzle on how to kill it. Good for him.
Good hunting partners are hard to come by, especially ones that show up and stay to the end to help carry the load. I am a die hard I will go till the day I die. Not everyone has that drive. I like seeing my buddies harvest because it keeps them coming back.
If you find a deer you want to hunt. Keep quiet or move over.
No deer is worth a hunting partner.
Well said👍
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 26, 2024, 05:36:16 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 26, 2024, 05:39:38 PM
Don't be jealous of his motivation.😉
That's not it at all, not even close.
But thanks all :tup:
Post by: Shawn Ryan on October 26, 2024, 06:03:28 PM
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Post by: kodiak06 on October 26, 2024, 07:02:01 PM
So you both first go to the area. Then you call dibs on a particular hillside? Kinda weird.
When he sits off the dirt road and I go hiking off trail, a mile away, find the buck, then he goes back after that very buck that I found... yes.
LOL, if you're hunting together it should be expected he may go back solo. It's public land and not "your" spot and if you feel otherwise ya shouldn't have shared the deers location.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 26, 2024, 07:23:26 PM
So you both first go to the area. Then you call dibs on a particular hillside? Kinda weird.
When he sits off the dirt road and I go hiking off trail, a mile away, find the buck, then he goes back after that very buck that I found... yes.
LOL, if you're hunting together it should be expected he may go back solo. It's public land and not "your" spot and if you feel otherwise ya shouldn't have shared the deers location.
My mistake for being a team player and trying to get his buddy his first deer I guess :dunno:
Post by: The scout on October 26, 2024, 07:52:07 PM
Post by: jrebel on October 26, 2024, 08:09:14 PM
Also....the buck came in and he missed!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: It jumped his string and he shot over the back of it. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I take more pleasure now in my hunting partner and kids killing animals than I do in me doing it. Be happy for him...... It almost sounds like he may not be that good a buddy, especially if your airing this on a public forum. :dunno: If he truly is that good a buddy, celebrate in his success. Next year, he may help you find a buck. It all comes full circle with good hunting buddies.
Post by: The scout on October 26, 2024, 08:13:29 PM
I must be to nice. I take my hunting partner to my property and put him in my stand, the one I've been scouting a nice buck all year, and tell him to shoot it if it comes in. :chuckle: :chuckle: While he is doing that, I am hiking my butt off looking for a bear. I must have my priorities backwards.
Also....the buck came in and he missed!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: It jumped his string and he shot over the back of it. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I take more pleasure now in my hunting partner and kids killing animals than I do in me doing it. Be happy for him...... It almost sounds like he may not be that good a buddy, especially if your airing this on a public forum. :dunno: If he truly is that good a buddy, celebrate in his success. Next year, he may help you find a buck. It all comes full circle with good hunting buddies.
I completely agree, love my buddy’s success more than my own. But not if there sneaking in behind my back. They would never have to do that because I would always show them where it is and where to go. But that’s the point of it I think.
Post by: jrebel on October 26, 2024, 08:20:17 PM
I must be to nice. I take my hunting partner to my property and put him in my stand, the one I've been scouting a nice buck all year, and tell him to shoot it if it comes in. :chuckle: :chuckle: While he is doing that, I am hiking my butt off looking for a bear. I must have my priorities backwards.
Also....the buck came in and he missed!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: It jumped his string and he shot over the back of it. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I take more pleasure now in my hunting partner and kids killing animals than I do in me doing it. Be happy for him...... It almost sounds like he may not be that good a buddy, especially if your airing this on a public forum. :dunno: If he truly is that good a buddy, celebrate in his success. Next year, he may help you find a buck. It all comes full circle with good hunting buddies.
I completely agree, love my buddy’s success more than my own. But not if there sneaking in behind my back. They would never have to do that because I would always show them where it is and where to go. But that’s the point of it I think.
I see your point....and agree!! That's why I say they likely aren't that good of hunting buddies to begin with. My buddy would never go to my property without asking me first. My other good buddy took me to a bear spot he knows of. He gave me permission to go whenever I want....I won't go without him. I just don't feel good about it.
Post by: DeerThug on October 26, 2024, 09:11:30 PM
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Post by: Sliverslinger on October 27, 2024, 08:56:20 AM
The only time something like this is a problem is with known secret honey holes. I have a few fishing and hunting spots that I never see a soul and are dynamite. I spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours over the years to find them. I do the work, pack in the cameras and salt, etc… In the event I saw a random person who worked hard enough to get there, I wouldn’t be mad. I’d go fist bump and say hi. BUT, on the extremely rare occasion I’ve taken a buddy and shown them one of those spots, if they went back down there without me and hunted a buck I told them I was after, I wouldn’t be taking them to any more spots ever. That said, I actually talk about it before showing them the spot, and tell them I’ll take you and show you this spot and you agree not to tell a soul, don’t send a friend pictures, and not to go back down there without me. Now it’s not wrong or illegal if they do, but that would be a BF move. That not what you’re talking about, but maybe it paints the difference.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 27, 2024, 09:28:07 AM
Post by: dilleytech on October 27, 2024, 11:40:15 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on October 27, 2024, 11:45:46 AM
Appreciate everyone's input, everyone hunts differently. I, myself, know that if a friend found a buck 1.4 miles from where I was hunting, I wouldn't go after that buck when he wasn't there, especially knowing they'd go after it again. Unless I asked and he said go for it... but that's just me.
We're in the same boat. I have hunting partners that have taken me to their spots. I don't go back there without asking first or go with them. I don't take anyone else there either. That's just me. :twocents:
Post by: hunter399 on October 27, 2024, 11:48:29 AM
It's not your deer til you put your tag on it. Maybe the day you spotted it, if you called them over then they shot it out from under you. But it certainly isn't your deer for the rest of the season or into infinity. If you wanted it that bad, you should have stayed on it. Not worth losing a friend over.
I agree :yeah:
Learned that last year,till your tag hangs on it.
Sometimes you can kill it,and someone else tag can hang on it.
It can be hard to relocate a buck sometimes. Or maybe it was standing right in the road.
Either way his now.
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on October 27, 2024, 12:06:14 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 27, 2024, 12:36:14 PM
Post by: GWP on October 27, 2024, 12:43:49 PM
What if you were hunting together and you pushed 'your deer' and it gave him a perfect broadside? Should he try and push it back to you? Yell so it runs off so you can get a chance at taking it or NOT TAKING IT at a later time?
Even worse would be if he passed up on it and another hunter close by harvested it. Then what? Go yell at him that it was 'your' deer?
There is no guarantee either one of you will get a shot at that critter or any other. Hunting is hunting.
Be glad for him, help him and maybe he will spiff you some meat.
Not YOUR deer. Not YOUR private hunting spot.
This reminds me of an avid fisherman that was telling me about his 'honey hole' and not telling anyone else about it. As he was describing it I was thinking, "I am sure I have fished that spot for many years."
Next time camping in the area I went to the 'honey hole' and there were 7 boats in the spot and was a spot I fished nearly every time I was in the area. Either he told a bunch of people about it or it is a commonly known area. Should I not fish there without his permission?
Another reason I stopped hunting (for now) is all the entitled people, camera's, ATV hunters off the trail plus unsafe practices by hunters. Not worth getting shot on purpose or accidentally.
Carry on.
Post by: ipkus on October 27, 2024, 12:46:18 PM
After the conversation they had his buddy at a minimum should have asked “hey, do you mind if I go look for those deer while you are elk hunting?” He did not, and he didn’t because Taco had already stated his intentions.
I expect my hunting partners to behave the same way I do/would toward them…and I would never do what Taco’s buddy did.
Legal? Yep. If his buddy put himself in Taco’s place and then had someone do that to him I can almost guarantee he’d have a problem with it, too.
Everyone knows good hunting buddies are hard to find, and I’ve only got a couple, but they are cherished because I never have to worry about anything wonky going down. And it’s only the way it is because of how many issues I’ve dealt with over the years learning the hard way. Now hunting with other people has to pass the universal life saying of “trust, but verify”. I’m too old to get burned again!
Post by: GWP on October 27, 2024, 01:10:06 PM
My rig and I am supposed to help haul and process it? No gas money? No meat from the harvest? Seriously?
Always get the rules between you straightened out ahead of time.
Post by: northwesthunter84 on October 27, 2024, 01:48:44 PM
If the OP was my hunting partner, I would tell them to get off his high horse. I put in just as much work, anyone could have found that deer, anyone at any time and killed it. I wouldn't hunt with that person again. Should be happy a buddy filled a tag. If it is really about buddies hunting together, than enjoy each other's success. Don't be a poor sport, just because you made a conscious decision not to pull the trigger.
Our group used to draw ping pong balls to figure out shooter. Now we pretty much go with whoever gets eyes on first, unless it's pushing a comfort zone on shot distance. It is a group effort and the group success. If that's not how it feels maybe hunt solo, then you will never run into this situation. The other way just breeds jealousy and animosity.
Post by: wastickslinger on October 27, 2024, 02:34:53 PM
Post by: dilleytech on October 27, 2024, 02:49:13 PM
As an addendum, in the 70's I went Elk hunting with a friend (first and last time hunting together) when I lived in Montana. We were driving in MY rig up the mountain, and I thought I would ask about distribution if we got an Elk. He stated "Whomever shoots the animal gets all of it."
My rig and I am supposed to help haul and process it? No gas money? No meat from the harvest? Seriously?
Always get the rules between you straightened out ahead of time.
lol that’s funny. It’s actually fairly common that people expect a reward for helping a friend even though the experience should be reward enough. If I hunted with someone and they expected a portion of my animal I wouldn’t hunt again with them either. Fuel expenses is another thing.
Post by: jrebel on October 27, 2024, 03:08:39 PM
Me and my hunting buddy split everything down the middle....period. Animal, Experiences, Work, Gas, Food, etc. It has worked very well for us over the last 20 years. We don't invite many others to hunt with us. On the rare chance we do.....if they help pack the animal is split accordingly (1/2 to the shooter and other half split between whoever helps pack). We also butcher our own animals and that is part of it....We butcher as a team.
This post and folks responses are very eye opening to me. I guess to each their own....but my goodness, you all are overthinking the hunting experience!! It's suppose to be fun and good memories that last a lifetime. Life is to short to bicker over 30 lbs of ground deer.
Post by: GWP on October 27, 2024, 03:11:52 PM
All other times the meat has been evenly split or at least some given to all that helped haul out and/or helped (butcher) process the animal.
Either way I ask while plans are being made now. That is the best way. No surprises.
Post by: ghosthunter on October 27, 2024, 04:04:41 PM
We talk about meat at first camp fire. Shooter takes half, half divided by those in camp at time of kill. Anyone can op out. But not after the first campfire.
Deer you shoot it you keep it. Deer camp can be 7-15.
This year I am going to Idaho in about two days to set up a camp for my buddy who lives there and drew a moose tag. My tents, his food, my gas over and back. I expect nothing in return, going for the experience that I may never have otherwise.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 27, 2024, 05:23:38 PM
...Buddy walks in from another access point on OP's off day and kills a nice 3 point (on public ground), while OP is at home and the OP is miffed.
If the OP was my hunting partner, I would tell them to get off his high horse. I put in just as much work, anyone could have found that deer, anyone at any time and killed it.
Wrong. Unless you want to hike four miles up the mountain coming up from the bottom there's only one way up. He took his Razor up and to the end of the road then hiked about a mile in.
I would have loved it if he put in work and found a great buck. But for the majority of the two days he sat a couple hundred yards off the dirt road glassing a burn while I was putting miles on my boots. He didn't find a buck, I found a spike, two forkies, and the 3pt. You are right though, anyone could have found that buck - if they put in the work. He only knew of that spot and that buck because I had him being his friend over to try and get him his first deer. And after I asked if he needed help and where he was, he sent me an onX point... on the ridge directly over where the deer his and bedded.
I guess I shouldn't be, but I'm surprised this is how you'd treat your friends. If I hadn't spotted any bucks but he found a good one in the burn he'd been glassing and had been unable to get it for any reason, I would not go after that buck when he wasn't there, knowing he'd return, bequiet about what I was doing, then tell him to get off his high horse if he didn't like it. You don't do that to friends. At least I don't.
Post by: M_59 on October 27, 2024, 05:35:10 PM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on October 27, 2024, 06:58:15 PM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on October 27, 2024, 07:40:58 PM
You can’t burn all bridges with friends and family members for every small wrongdoing. You live and you learn. He sounds like a great guy that got some buck fever and maybe made a questionable decision. Keep hunting with him and all the locations you guys already hunt together, but the next time you find that great new spot with the big buck maybe just keep it to yourself. There will be other deer don’t let this eat at you for too long. Like an old guy in Alaska told me it’s easier to find a good wife than it is a good hunting partner and both sometimes come with some compromises
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: addicted1 on October 27, 2024, 08:27:05 PM
Post by: dilleytech on October 27, 2024, 08:47:38 PM
Hunting with a partner isn't enough to expect a portion of the the animal. If you expect me to stop my hunt and waste a day or two packing your animal.....then you should expect something (what??? that should be discussed long before it happens). We share a camp and hunt together and otherwise hunt independently, keep 100%. My freezers are usually full so I am very generous with folk who help. Sounds like a lot of folks on here are running lean on meat and don't like to share. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Me and my hunting buddy split everything down the middle....period. Animal, Experiences, Work, Gas, Food, etc. It has worked very well for us over the last 20 years. We don't invite many others to hunt with us. On the rare chance we do.....if they help pack the animal is split accordingly (1/2 to the shooter and other half split between whoever helps pack). We also butcher our own animals and that is part of it....We butcher as a team.
This post and folks responses are very eye opening to me. I guess to each their own....but my goodness, you all are overthinking the hunting experience!! It's suppose to be fun and good memories that last a lifetime. Life is to short to bicker over 30 lbs of ground deer.
My freezers are always full. If you want to give away meat that’s all good. If that’s what the hunt is all about and talked about before hand then sweet.
If I called a friend and requested help packing. “Which I have never done” I would offer him meat. But for someone to say hey we drove together I should get a bunch from your animal! Is just comical to me. Helping out a friend for nothing is what friends do, and packing meat is fun and rewarding enough.
I would much rather pack an animal out myself and give friends meat after the fact. If someone calls me and asked for my help I would not expect or ask for any portion of THEIR animal.
Post by: jrebel on October 27, 2024, 09:17:07 PM
Hunting with a partner isn't enough to expect a portion of the the animal. If you expect me to stop my hunt and waste a day or two packing your animal.....then you should expect something (what??? that should be discussed long before it happens). We share a camp and hunt together and otherwise hunt independently, keep 100%. My freezers are usually full so I am very generous with folk who help. Sounds like a lot of folks on here are running lean on meat and don't like to share. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Me and my hunting buddy split everything down the middle....period. Animal, Experiences, Work, Gas, Food, etc. It has worked very well for us over the last 20 years. We don't invite many others to hunt with us. On the rare chance we do.....if they help pack the animal is split accordingly (1/2 to the shooter and other half split between whoever helps pack). We also butcher our own animals and that is part of it....We butcher as a team.
This post and folks responses are very eye opening to me. I guess to each their own....but my goodness, you all are overthinking the hunting experience!! It's suppose to be fun and good memories that last a lifetime. Life is to short to bicker over 30 lbs of ground deer.
My freezers are always full. If you want to give away meat that’s all good. If that’s what the hunt is all about and talked about before hand then sweet.
If I called a friend and requested help packing. “Which I have never done” I would offer him meat. But for someone to say hey we drove together I should get a bunch from your animal! Is just comical to me. Helping out a friend for nothing is what friends do, and packing meat is fun and rewarding enough.
I would much rather pack an animal out myself and give friends meat after the fact. If someone calls me and asked for my help I would not expect or ask for any portion of THEIR animal.
NOTED.....Never hunt with Dilly!!
Your offer of meat is the gesture that would be needed. I have help pack meat multiple times and turn down folks offers. To expect a someone to help and never make an offer is wrong in my opinion. We helped an old timer pack a deer out once and he said he really needed the meat because his freezer was empty....he offered up a few cold beers. We wouldn't have taken any of his deer anyway, but the offer of cold beers was a great offering. I would help him pack any day.
As for a hunting partner.....We pack each others game and we share our meat. If you were my hunting partner and didn't have the same offer, we wouldn't hunt more than one season. We love the meat....so don't take this the wrong way....hunting to us is more about the hunt and friendship than it is the meat. If I never killed another animal, I would still enjoy the hunt with my hunting partner.
Out of curiosity....how do you feel if you go home with a 60-70 lbs of burger from a deer you harvested and your hunting partner goes home empty handed. To me that just seems wrong.....this assuming your hunting partner helped with the tracking, packing, calling, etc. etc. etc.??
I guess...to each their own. I was raised to share.
Post by: Shoofly09 on October 27, 2024, 10:51:15 PM
Poor etiquette for sure. How important is your friendship? If it's important, wish him congratulations and find another buck. Next time, you'll know better what to share with him and his tenderfoot friend. :twocents:
sums it up perfectly in my opinion. Not worth losing a hunting buddy, but live and learn.
Post by: addicted1 on October 27, 2024, 10:52:21 PM
Post by: Threewolves on October 28, 2024, 05:34:55 AM
Life is short. There's that saying ,"To hunt, YOU have to to kill."
It's nice if your buddy gets a kill, but it is very important that you fulfill your dreams and complete your overall hunting goals. Who would you rather be the guy with a deer on the ground or the guy saying "well I didn't get one, but my buddy did, or I know a guy who got one."
I know folks that say it's the friends, the great outdoors, and all that, but everyone is competing for the same resource. It's nice to be the hero and tell your buddies, but it's OK not to. Let them do some work.
Go a couple of seasons of not getting anything because of your lapse in operational security, and you may become jaded.
There is a term in the military intelligence world called "exploiting an intelligence resource." In this case, it is you. If you truly don't mind someone shooting that deer, tell them all about it. Heck, tell everyone. But, if you want to shoot it, tell no one. You can help them get one after you get yours. Hey, you can be the buddy that helps pack out, and now you will get to see your buddy's new hunting area! How about that.
If you were looking for deer for your daughter or son and found one, could you trust your buddy not to go in there? Ever hear "well it's all public land, you don't own it, and besides I am trying to help these five new hunters get their deer, you know recuit new hunters ( I screwed you out of your area, but I am the hero)."
While there is such a thing as true friends and hunting partners, you got to be the same and say don't go in there. Because there are BLUE FALCONS.
I wonder how all blue falcons reading this thread are rationalizing and justifying their actions.
My wife reminds me that i am my own worst enemy when it comes managing hunting information, but I am working on it.
There are only so many sun sets left. Hunt your hunt the way you want to do it an be satisfied. Again, there are only so many sunsets left!
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Post by: Rob on October 28, 2024, 06:19:29 AM
Coming back with "It doesn't matter where I went" when questioned is a flippant reply.
My buddies and I work as a team when hunting. We try to ensure everyone has a chance to fill a tag. That said there is no such thing as "my deer" when trying to fill a tag. Whomever has the shot is encouraged to take the shot and nobody begrudges the fact. The key is communication. Your "buddy" seems to have 2 issues (Knowing only the info you provided at hand). 1 poor communication. He should have disclosed his plans fully and strategized with the team. 2. The flippant reply seems to indicate he knew he was acting questionably yet he did it anyway.
Anyway, sounds like you should be looking for a replacement buddy. I'd rather pack my deer out solo than hunt with him.
Post by: Rob on October 28, 2024, 07:12:06 AM
One thing though - if he really is a good buddy as you have said, then it is worth talking it out with him. While his reply indicates he knows he violated your trust, he may come around and see your point of view if you talk it thru.
Post by: jbuck on October 28, 2024, 08:15:41 AM
If your team hunting sharing information then anything you share is to help him as well. And visa versa.
If I'm hunting as a team we do everything we can to get meat for the camp. There are guys I'm 100% with. There is no my deer or your deer in these camps.
Otherwise if I share anything, I wouldn't blame anyone for acting on that info.
That all said, the way I usually handle those situations is ill set up on a deer and make a call. "If he moves I'm going to shoot, but I'll try to hold off until you get here" I wouldn't pass on a deer so that a buddy might make it there. I would hold off as long as possible though.
Post by: ghosthunter on October 28, 2024, 09:07:32 AM
Do you hunt as a team or solo? Serious question.
If your team hunting sharing information then anything you share is to help him as well. And visa versa.
If I'm hunting as a team we do everything we can to get meat for the camp. There are guys I'm 100% with. There is no my deer or your deer in these camps.
Otherwise if I share anything, I wouldn't blame anyone for acting on that info.
That all said, the way I usually handle those situations is ill set up on a deer and make a call. "If he moves I'm going to shoot, but I'll try to hold off until you get here" I wouldn't pass on a deer so that a buddy might make it there. I would hold off as long as possible though.
We do half that sorta.
We do everything we can to help each other, including info, pack out, hanging ,skinning, any support needed in our camp. But for deer you keep what you shoot.
Here’ s a photo of that concept in action.
Our oldest member, had a doe tag.
Two of us spotted a group of does heading down to a creek bottom nearest the road.
Radio the old guy who drove to the spot and in his 80 s made a running shot on a doe.
Mortality wounded she proceeded out of sight.
Another radio call and everyone in camp responded to locate the dead doe and drag it out for him, help hang it ,skin it.
The next day he boned it out on his own while the rest of us hunted.
Post by: ghosthunter on October 28, 2024, 09:11:24 AM
It’s also what makes a hunting camp work.
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Post by: OutHouse on October 28, 2024, 01:05:26 PM
It is a breach of trust - and that is sacred. Life is too short to deal with folks like that.
One thing though - if he really is a good buddy as you have said, then it is worth talking it out with him. While his reply indicates he knows he violated your trust, he may come around and see your point of view if you talk it thru.
I voted neutral but this post resonates with me. Your friend's reply shows that he knows its an issue. But definitely something you should two should talk about because it sounds like this relationship is worth saving.
My brother got really ticked at me one year when I put his deer down. His deer was liver shot and I've had experiences with them living a long time like that. His buck got up and started walking away while he just sat there. I sent a .30 cal through the boiler room with an old Mosin Nagant, and buck goes down. We talked it out heavily and everything was understood and we have a protocol now moving forward. I think that might be in order here.
Post by: hunter399 on October 28, 2024, 03:04:41 PM
Not because he got your buck, because he can't tell ya the details of the hunt.
I can tell ya probably just want to know how it went down.
Maybe a location,maybe take a good look at the rack,ect,ect.
So ya that sucks.
But here it comes,silver lining coming up here.
I'll be your friend,spot me a buck,I'll kill it.
I will tell you everything you want to know.
Split some meat ...no problem.
Skin it ,pack it, whatever you want.
All jokes aside ,I thank you should talk to your friend in person.
Have a beer,crack some jokes,try to talk about it.
Not saying you still have to hunt together.
I find talking in person is much better,than a bunch of BS messages.
If God wanted you to have that buck,then it would be yours.
Sometimes you have to accept the cards your delt.
Be happy for your friend.
At least your friend didn't tell you he slit the deers throat,right after you shot it in the throat. Lol... 😂
Post by: Taco280AI on October 29, 2024, 10:44:28 AM
Post by: OutHouse on October 29, 2024, 12:57:54 PM
We talked and handled it :tup:
Excellent!
Post by: TommyGun496 on November 01, 2024, 09:34:29 AM