Post by: Rhino on June 20, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on June 21, 2009, 12:16:18 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 21, 2009, 08:42:32 PM
www.theoutdoorquest.com/perma-gel_ballistic_gelatin.htm
www.hornady.com/images/2008_sell_sheets/SST-ML.pdf
Post by: Wacenturion on June 22, 2009, 07:42:42 AM
Post by: Rhino on June 23, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on June 28, 2009, 09:24:03 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on June 29, 2009, 07:33:22 AM
"As already stated here the Hornady SST and the T/C Shockwave are the same bullet manufactured by Hornady. The sabots for the two bullets are different though. Thompson makes their own sabot, while Hornady gets their sabots from MMP Sabots. The MMPs are a little tougher, and usually a little harder to get down the barrel....assuming a clean barrel on both guns.
Tough to get down the barrel is not really a bad thing. The "tighter" sabots will usually be a more accurate load than a "loose" loading sabot. The pressure on powder ignition doesn't get around the tighter sabot allowing better accuracy and probably better velocity."
Post by: jrebel on June 29, 2009, 08:11:09 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 02, 2009, 09:37:42 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on July 05, 2009, 08:23:47 AM
I shoot the PRB out of my knight and have allso been looking to try one of the jacketed bullets now that we can use them. Thanks for posting that info. I think I will try some of the Hornady bullets. That was good info to know and thanks for shareing. What was yer powder and load if you don't mind sharing.
Kris
Post by: Wacenturion on July 05, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
ok so I shot the 300gr SST in both eazy load sabots and the standard sabot. I love eazy load sabots!!!!!!!!!!!!! So nice to load and no difference in accuracy. I shot one into a piece of railroad tie and dug it out and it mushroomed just like a jacketed bullet should. The PR bullet that I put next to it was a big flat blob of lead. Not like a railroad tie is anything like flesh but I figure if it can hold its shape on something like that it can handle a shoulder and some muscle.
BLR....are the easy load sabots the red ones that come in the plastic box of 20 SST bullets? Also what muzzleloader are you shooting...and powder and load are you using. Thanks again....good information.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 05, 2009, 01:52:12 PM
p.s. 115 grains was the hottest load I could get with that bullet out of my gun before my groups started to grow. I will dig out my camera and get some picks of the mushroomed bullets.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 05, 2009, 02:29:48 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on July 05, 2009, 02:49:55 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on July 05, 2009, 09:27:23 PM
Been away from muzzleloading since the mid to late 80's, that's why the questions. Appreciate the help.
Post by: CP on July 08, 2009, 03:20:57 PM
I tried a few of these and they load ridiculously easy. I can start them flush to the muzzle with my fingers. With such a loose fit I didn’t expect much accuracy but they shot a clover leaf group at 50 yards and a little over an inch at 100. I’m impressed.
Post by: TheHunt on July 09, 2009, 10:47:53 AM
Do they make hornady SST for 54 cal?
I do not think they do...
Post by: SnakeEyes on July 29, 2009, 06:47:37 PM
The first picture is 100 yards. The lower shot is with 2-50 grain pellets of 777. The chronograph said 1602 fps. The higher hit on the target was with 3-50 grain pellets of 777. The speed was 1916 fps.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg195.imageshack.us%2Fimg195%2F4561%2F100yards.jpg&hash=2e037e485712c46f44754bfa7d34221ab8a7e8cf) (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/100yards.jpg/)
This second target was at 200 yards. The range did not have a 150 yard target. I used 3-50 grain pellets of 777 with both shots. The speed was 1921 fps and 1929 fps. I thought that was pretty good for 200 yards.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg197.imageshack.us%2Fimg197%2F7351%2F200yards.jpg&hash=111c29489129202707718199f35410997460bac5) (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/200yards.jpg/)
Post by: CP on July 30, 2009, 08:28:07 AM
Post by: clay on July 30, 2009, 09:38:16 AM
I use Precision's QT40 and they are the most accurate and best killing bullet I've used out of my T/C Black Diamond. The Cabelas version of the Precision X-Tended Range is the same thing and I believe that they are made by the same company.
Post by: SnakeEyes on July 30, 2009, 09:55:45 AM
Post by: turkey slayer on August 03, 2009, 09:33:27 PM
50 yards- 4 inches high
100 yards - 1.5 high
200 yards- 3 inches low
Post by: fishcrazy on August 09, 2009, 08:25:32 PM
I might check their web page and see what they have. Normally Iwouldn't buy from tehm but Ihave a gift card so I'm going to use it for some new sabots to try.
The guys useing the pellets. What kind of a cap are you useing. I have always used 777 powder but am curius about the pills. I was told they don't work as well without the 209 primers. It that true? I would rather use the pills as I'm sure they would be faster.
Also, I thought we had to use bullets over 270 grains. Wouldn't that make the 250 grainers you guys shot illegal for elk? Or did they change that as well.
Kris
Post by: SnakeEyes on August 09, 2009, 09:31:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2009, 09:39:56 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on August 09, 2009, 10:34:44 PM
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on some new boolits. I looked at the Hornady SST and was a little cornfused with the stem out the back of the sabot. Are you just taken it off or do they make them with out it. This is all they had at Cabelas.
I might check their web page and see what they have. Normally Iwouldn't buy from tehm but Ihave a gift card so I'm going to use it for some new sabots to try.
The guys useing the pellets. What kind of a cap are you useing. I have always used 777 powder but am curius about the pills. I was told they don't work as well without the 209 primers. It that true? I would rather use the pills as I'm sure they would be faster.
Also, I thought we had to use bullets over 270 grains. Wouldn't that make the 250 grainers you guys shot illegal for elk? Or did they change that as well.
Kris
Yes, they make the SST without the stem out the back of the sabot, which is used with the pellets, not loose.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 11, 2009, 10:49:48 PM
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on some new boolits. I looked at the Hornady SST and was a little cornfused with the stem out the back of the sabot. Are you just taken it off or do they make them with out it. This is all they had at Cabelas.
I might check their web page and see what they have. Normally Iwouldn't buy from tehm but Ihave a gift card so I'm going to use it for some new sabots to try.
The guys useing the pellets. What kind of a cap are you useing. I have always used 777 powder but am curius about the pills. I was told they don't work as well without the 209 primers. It that true? I would rather use the pills as I'm sure they would be faster.
Also, I thought we had to use bullets over 270 grains. Wouldn't that make the 250 grainers you guys shot illegal for elk? Or did they change that as well.
Kris
As long as it is at least a .45 cal or larger there is no restriction on weight of projectile. 40cal for deer