Post by: Mulie87 on December 16, 2024, 05:57:17 PM
The Alliance for Gun Responsibility is at it again. They are renewing an effort to push the legislature to introduce a bill for an excise tax on ammunition and firearms. They will not stop until it’s financially impossible to buy guns and ammo, all the while criminals steal it all and continue committing crimes the left won’t hold them accountable for.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 16, 2024, 06:50:37 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 16, 2024, 07:55:24 PM
Post by: jrebel on December 16, 2024, 08:01:22 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on December 16, 2024, 08:17:50 PM
If you aren't stocked up.....start doing it now. I need enough to get me through the next 10 years......if things haven't changed, I'm getting the heck out of this state.
Amen! 4yrs for me. Retire and then pop smoke and bail. Reloading is a godsend.
Post by: Gentrys on December 16, 2024, 08:27:21 PM
Post by: swanderek on December 16, 2024, 08:42:29 PM
Limit primers and powder.
Even Cali can get ammo with 03 ffl
Post by: timberfaller on December 17, 2024, 08:42:41 AM
Destroyer's of Democracy(I prefer a Republic) are the supporter's of the D's!
Post by: GWP on December 17, 2024, 09:00:20 AM
Not sure how that applies to this. I will have to do some deep thinking on this. Deep.
Post by: bearhunter99 on December 17, 2024, 10:32:31 AM
And this was back in June...... The communist state of WA at its finest...
Post by: Kola16 on December 17, 2024, 05:14:57 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on December 17, 2024, 08:27:08 PM
One of the dealers I was talking to said the last time they got the updates for the background check system with WSP that there is already software in their system to track the amount of ammunition a person buys - basically they already have the software built and setup in dealers systems to implement the law as soon as it was passed.
And this was back in June...... The communist state of WA at its finest...
:bash: why doesn’t this surprise me? They’ve had this planned long ago.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 17, 2024, 08:50:37 PM
Screw these people, red counties need to stand together and ignore these laws just like liberals do to laws they don’t like.
Absolutely that!!!! :yeah:
Post by: elksnout on December 17, 2024, 09:39:47 PM
elksnout
Post by: 30.06 on December 17, 2024, 10:35:13 PM
Yep, and our ability to buy bulk ammo from out of state vendors is likely soon to be outlawed in WA. I'm sure fergusson will also back a bill limiting how much ammo we can purchase at a given time.
:yeah: :bash:
Post by: boneaddict on December 18, 2024, 08:55:09 AM
Post by: haus on December 18, 2024, 09:23:13 AM
Beutler was the only exception at 200k.
Post by: KNOPHISH on December 18, 2024, 11:34:52 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 18, 2024, 08:27:47 PM
Post by: elksnout on December 20, 2024, 09:22:06 PM
elksnout
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 20, 2024, 09:51:38 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 20, 2024, 10:28:56 PM
Another Unconstitutional gun law that will take years in court to overturn. Gotta be a way to recall any legislator who goes against their oath.Can't see this being overturned by the Courts if passed. There is already an excise tax on ammunition.
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 21, 2024, 06:27:03 AM
If the authors of this bill are this dumb that they can’t even come up with a halfway accurate estimate of the cost it should immediately be dropped.
Post by: BigCutty3 on December 21, 2024, 08:32:02 AM
Post by: callturner on December 21, 2024, 11:04:09 AM
Somebody voted for that Fergie guy. I know you are out there. Go ahead and explain yourselfI just finished a 2 wk stent in the hospital. while I was there dumbsly was on tv talking about how he saved WA. I have never seen so many stupid democrats . Here is an example of how they are ruining small business with there rules. Haynes and Sons guns are closing after 19 years, because of new rules. https://www.spokaneguntrader.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&p=750363#p750363
Post by: EnglishSetter on December 21, 2024, 11:17:46 AM
Another Unconstitutional gun law that will take years in court to overturn. Gotta be a way to recall any legislator who goes against their oath.Can't see this being overturned by the Courts if passed. There is already an excise tax on ammunition.
There is, but was enacted federally, by Congress. And the proceeds earmarked for game/wildlife mgmt.
Post by: EnglishSetter on December 21, 2024, 11:46:59 AM
So this proposed tax is going to raise $19m over 4 years from only 3,000 tax payers? That’s about $6,300 per tax payer over 4 years.
If the authors of this bill are this dumb that they can’t even come up with a halfway accurate estimate of the cost it should immediately be dropped.
I suspect the 3k is in 1,000's....so 3 million.
The mixing of nomenclature is "interesting".
Post by: hughjorgan on December 21, 2024, 03:19:59 PM
Another Unconstitutional gun law that will take years in court to overturn. Gotta be a way to recall any legislator who goes against their oath.Can't see this being overturned by the Courts if passed. There is already an excise tax on ammunition.
There is, but was enacted federally, by Congress. And the proceeds earmarked for game/wildlife mgmt.
Any body really think they’ll keep it at 11 percent. This is nothing more than a poll tax trying to suppress and discourage people from excercising the 2A.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 21, 2024, 04:29:38 PM
A retired person could be really busy.🤣
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 21, 2024, 04:35:05 PM
At some point people are just gonna drive to a neighboring state, or get real creative in other ways to not pay this tax.
A retired person could be really busy.🤣
I'm your huckleberry .... ;)
Post by: Fidelk on December 21, 2024, 05:45:28 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2024, 07:24:07 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 21, 2024, 07:26:53 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 22, 2024, 07:15:04 AM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
If the democrats keep at it buying bulk ammo online will be illegal, we’ll be paying hirer prices(11percent to start with) and you’ll be required to pass a mandatory class to have a “permit” to purchase your firearms. Sheesh :tdown: all thanks to Liz berry a Seattle lib fighting destroy our 2A rights.
Post by: Dan-o on December 22, 2024, 07:40:28 AM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
That's fine for established shooters and folks who can afford it.
We are losing rights for new hooter and our descendants.
I'm surprised that you're ok with that.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 22, 2024, 08:24:33 AM
It's not just proposed taxes. That's just a piece of the puzzle.. Making it harder and harder to be a legal "rule" following gun owner...
It's firearm bans, mag bans, transfer laws, training requirements, carry laws, possession laws, secure storage laws, mandates for FFL businesses, abused red flag law's, new tell on your neighbor laws like RCW 43.10.305.
If you read into existing or proposed laws parts are very ambiguous. So depending on who's enforcing them... there's lots of room for overreach interpretation.
All the little things add up.....
Post by: CarbonHunter on December 22, 2024, 08:59:00 AM
Post by: EnglishSetter on December 22, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
If the democrats keep at it buying bulk ammo online will be illegal, we’ll be paying hirer prices(11percent to start with) and you’ll be required to pass a mandatory class to have a “permit” to purchase your firearms. Sheesh :tdown: all thanks to Liz berry a Seattle lib fighting destroy our 2A rights.
CA already nixxed online ammo purchases (to your door). Gotta ship to FFL and a background check on each purchase. $1 and quick if you're in the system (purchased firearm in last 5 years), but not so much if you're not. Same check/costs if you just go to your LGS to buy a box. Some friendly FFL's (not gun shops) will do the transfer for a small sum.
The regular shooters have found ways to limit the pain, but still a pain. The occasional shooters are more greatly affected.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 22, 2024, 09:55:43 AM
The only thing that is going to stop the erosion of our rights is if the US congress passes legislation that regulates how states can pass restrictions to our constitutional rights. If they keep leaving it up to the courts to review each little rights grab that the democrats come up with the democrats will eventually be successful with destroying the constitution.
One of the problems is that the issue is so important for fundraising and voter turnout. If guns ( like abortion for the left) was settled people might move to different platforms. I think they (politicians and certain lobbies) like to keep people right on the cusp of losing a right. Think how much the NRA for example would lose each cycle if the battle was over. Or politicians enjoying an A+ rating on guns would start losing to other wants.
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 22, 2024, 10:15:36 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on December 22, 2024, 11:17:58 AM
I think you're correct.The only thing that is going to stop the erosion of our rights is if the US congress passes legislation that regulates how states can pass restrictions to our constitutional rights. If they keep leaving it up to the courts to review each little rights grab that the democrats come up with the democrats will eventually be successful with destroying the constitution.
One of the problems is that the issue is so important for fundraising and voter turnout. If guns ( like abortion for the left) was settled people might move to different platforms. I think they (politicians and certain lobbies) like to keep people right on the cusp of losing a right. Think how much the NRA for example would lose each cycle if the battle was over. Or politicians enjoying an A+ rating on guns would start losing to other wants.
Post by: EnglishSetter on December 22, 2024, 11:21:39 PM
The only thing that is going to stop the erosion of our rights is if the US congress passes legislation that regulates how states can pass restrictions to our constitutional rights. If they keep leaving it up to the courts to review each little rights grab that the democrats come up with the democrats will eventually be successful with destroying the constitution.
One of the problems is that the issue is so important for fundraising and voter turnout. If guns ( like abortion for the left) was settled people might move to different platforms. I think they (politicians and certain lobbies) like to keep people right on the cusp of losing a right. Think how much the NRA for example would lose each cycle if the battle was over. Or politicians enjoying an A+ rating on guns would start losing to other wants.
I've long said politicians as a whole don't want to solve problems. Than they'd have to come up with a new cause to champion.
Also why DJT was unpopular with both sides in DC. He wanted to prioritize and fix things then move onto the next priority.
Post by: Special T on December 23, 2024, 07:19:07 AM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
If the democrats keep at it buying bulk ammo online will be illegal, we’ll be paying hirer prices(11percent to start with) and you’ll be required to pass a mandatory class to have a “permit” to purchase your firearms. Sheesh :tdown: all thanks to Liz berry a Seattle lib fighting destroy our 2A rights.
CA already nixxed online ammo purchases (to your door). Gotta ship to FFL and a background check on each purchase. $1 and quick if you're in the system (purchased firearm in last 5 years), but not so much if you're not. Same check/costs if you just go to your LGS to buy a box. Some friendly FFL's (not gun shops) will do the transfer for a small sum.
The regular shooters have found ways to limit the pain, but still a pain. The occasional shooters are more greatly affected.
I have a friend that moved to N California. It does not work nearly as easily as you state.
This disproportionately affects the lower middle class gun owners whom might not have the cash to buy in bulk once online purchases are eliminated.
Post by: Fidelk on December 23, 2024, 10:09:43 AM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
That's fine for established shooters and folks who can afford it.
We are losing rights for new hooter and our descendants.
I'm surprised that you're ok with that.
I'm NOT OK "with that".......don't speak for me. I'm against any and all of these stupid annoying accomplish nothing restrictive gun measures. But at the same time, I deal with what is sitting there in front of me. If I NEED ammo, I will pay what it costs to purchase it. But not really my situation as I probably will never need to buy another round. As for affording it, I had very little money when I was a 13 year old but I NEEDED some ammo for my single shot .22, so I usually bought .22 shorts.......22 longs and .22 long rifle were out of my reach.
Post by: Kola16 on December 23, 2024, 10:40:42 AM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
That's fine for established shooters and folks who can afford it.
We are losing rights for new hooter and our descendants.
I'm surprised that you're ok with that.
I'm NOT OK "with that".......don't speak for me. I'm against any and all of these stupid annoying accomplish nothing restrictive gun measures. But at the same time, I deal with what is sitting there in front of me. If I NEED ammo, I will pay what it costs to purchase it. But not really my situation as I probably will never need to buy another round. As for affording it, I had very little money when I was a 13 year old but I NEEDED some ammo for my single shot .22, so I usually bought .22 shorts.......22 longs and .22 long rifle were out of my reach.
You're not okay with it? Did you vote for it? 100 rounds won't even last half a duck season. Let alone anything else.
Post by: Fidelk on December 23, 2024, 10:48:19 AM
Post by: EnglishSetter on December 23, 2024, 11:16:35 AM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
If the democrats keep at it buying bulk ammo online will be illegal, we’ll be paying hirer prices(11percent to start with) and you’ll be required to pass a mandatory class to have a “permit” to purchase your firearms. Sheesh :tdown: all thanks to Liz berry a Seattle lib fighting destroy our 2A rights.
CA already nixxed online ammo purchases (to your door). Gotta ship to FFL and a background check on each purchase. $1 and quick if you're in the system (purchased firearm in last 5 years), but not so much if you're not. Same check/costs if you just go to your LGS to buy a box. Some friendly FFL's (not gun shops) will do the transfer for a small sum.
The regular shooters have found ways to limit the pain, but still a pain. The occasional shooters are more greatly affected.
I have a friend that moved to N California. It does not work nearly as easily as you state.
This disproportionately affects the lower middle class gun owners whom might not have the cash to buy in bulk once online purchases are eliminated.
I'd be interested in your rebuttal, but you don't offer one. I lived through it, so am pretty up to speed. Maybe your friend is still learning the ropes.
Post by: Kola16 on December 23, 2024, 11:26:20 AM
No, I didn't vote on it. I thought it was proposed. I'll vote against it, if I ever have the chance to do so. That OK?That is not how our gun laws work. We vote for politicians who make these laws. The politicians then vote to pass these laws. So do the politicians you voted for support this law? Did they vote to pass previous gun laws?
Post by: EnglishSetter on December 23, 2024, 11:58:12 AM
No, I didn't vote on it. I thought it was proposed. I'll vote against it, if I ever have the chance to do so. That OK?That is not how our gun laws work. We vote for politicians who make these laws. The politicians then vote to pass these laws. So do the politicians you voted for support this law? Did they vote to pass previous gun laws?
Very true. Politicians and their appointments. Not referendum.
Post by: Fidelk on December 23, 2024, 01:03:34 PM
Post by: Kola16 on December 23, 2024, 03:10:30 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 23, 2024, 07:44:26 PM
On a trip to Missoula, I bought a Remington 700 Long Range.......at a Sportsman's Warehouse. I was at an event and SW gave attendees a $30 off coupon. Between that and no sales tax, I purchased the rifle for approx. $100 less than I would have paid in WA State at a different SW. For those who just might travel to no sales tax states like Montana or Oregon.......that would be the place to load up on ammo and avoid any 11% excise tax and even that 8-9% WA State sales tax.
How long ago?
Post by: tritt007 on December 23, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
On a trip to Missoula, I bought a Remington 700 Long Range.......at a Sportsman's Warehouse. I was at an event and SW gave attendees a $30 off coupon. Between that and no sales tax, I purchased the rifle for approx. $100 less than I would have paid in WA State at a different SW. For those who just might travel to no sales tax states like Montana or Oregon.......that would be the place to load up on ammo and avoid any 11% excise tax and even that 8-9% WA State sales tax.
I didnt think it was “legal” for us Washington residents to purchase firearms out of state anymore ?
Post by: ghosthunter on December 23, 2024, 09:35:48 PM
On a trip to Missoula, I bought a Remington 700 Long Range.......at a Sportsman's Warehouse. I was at an event and SW gave attendees a $30 off coupon. Between that and no sales tax, I purchased the rifle for approx. $100 less than I would have paid in WA State at a different SW. For those who just might travel to no sales tax states like Montana or Oregon.......that would be the place to load up on ammo and avoid any 11% excise tax and even that 8-9% WA State sales tax.
I didnt think it was “legal” for us Washington residents to purchase firearms out of state anymore ?
I could be wrong. But I think it was a ffl in Idaho who said he could not sell to WA residents because they had to go through a background check thru WSP now. And FFLs outside WA did not have access to WSP system. :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on December 23, 2024, 10:13:01 PM
Out-of-state purchasing.
Residents of Washington may purchase rifles and shotguns in a state other than Washington: PROVIDED, That such residents conform to the applicable provisions of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, Title IV, Pub. L. 90-351 as administered by the United States secretary of the treasury: AND PROVIDED FURTHER, That such residents are eligible to purchase or possess such weapons in Washington and in the state in which such purchase is made: AND PROVIDED FURTHER, That when any part of the transaction takes place in Washington , including, but not limited to, internet sales, such residents are subject to the procedures and background checks required by this chapter.
Post by: Fidelk on December 24, 2024, 10:44:32 AM
On a trip to Missoula, I bought a Remington 700 Long Range.......at a Sportsman's Warehouse. I was at an event and SW gave attendees a $30 off coupon. Between that and no sales tax, I purchased the rifle for approx. $100 less than I would have paid in WA State at a different SW. For those who just might travel to no sales tax states like Montana or Oregon.......that would be the place to load up on ammo and avoid any 11% excise tax and even that 8-9% WA State sales tax.
I didnt think it was “legal” for us Washington residents to purchase firearms out of state anymore ?
It was a while back......no idea what today's rules are. But that was for a gun sale.....not ammo.
Post by: Dan-o on December 24, 2024, 12:06:55 PM
On a trip to Missoula, I bought a Remington 700 Long Range.......at a Sportsman's Warehouse. I was at an event and SW gave attendees a $30 off coupon. Between that and no sales tax, I purchased the rifle for approx. $100 less than I would have paid in WA State at a different SW. For those who just might travel to no sales tax states like Montana or Oregon.......that would be the place to load up on ammo and avoid any 11% excise tax and even that 8-9% WA State sales tax.
I didnt think it was “legal” for us Washington residents to purchase firearms out of state anymore ?
It was a while back......no idea what today's rules are. But that was for a gun sale.....not ammo.
Still legal as far as I know. :dunno:
@bigtex would know.
Post by: DeerThug on December 24, 2024, 12:50:07 PM
Post by: Fidelk on December 24, 2024, 03:45:57 PM
You should pick up a couple 80% AR lowers and 30-rd mags while you are taking the 16 hour round trip to Missoula....oh wait Democrats made that illegal...
Have you ever considered posting your political drivel in the Politics Forum as opposed to infecting other threads/forums?????
Post by: Kola16 on December 24, 2024, 04:16:45 PM
Post by: Special T on December 24, 2024, 04:31:33 PM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
If the democrats keep at it buying bulk ammo online will be illegal, we’ll be paying hirer prices(11percent to start with) and you’ll be required to pass a mandatory class to have a “permit” to purchase your firearms. Sheesh :tdown: all thanks to Liz berry a Seattle lib fighting destroy our 2A rights.
CA already nixxed online ammo purchases (to your door). Gotta ship to FFL and a background check on each purchase. $1 and quick if you're in the system (purchased firearm in last 5 years), but not so much if you're not. Same check/costs if you just go to your LGS to buy a box. Some friendly FFL's (not gun shops) will do the transfer for a small sum.
The regular shooters have found ways to limit the pain, but still a pain. The occasional shooters are more greatly affected.
I have a friend that moved to N California. It does not work nearly as easily as you state.
This disproportionately affects the lower middle class gun owners whom might not have the cash to buy in bulk once online purchases are eliminated.
I'd be interested in your rebuttal, but you don't offer one. I lived through it, so am pretty up to speed. Maybe your friend is still learning the ropes.
Not sure what kind of rebuttal is needed other than excess cost. If you need a extra box it costs. If you are "new" to the state it is more hassle. I buy amount in bulk which could put you on a list especiallial in Komifornia, coming to this state soon.
If we want to grow sportsmen in this state adding extra burdens to. Using a box or 2 of shells won't help.
Now will increased regulations by doo gooders help me by reducing competition? Sure. Does following Californication destruction of rights help? No. I am a Washingtonian several generation and I resent the Californication of this state as does many others from other states. Ideology from that state is a cancer and should be resisted at aĺl costs.
Post by: Fidelk on December 24, 2024, 05:00:40 PM
Are you upset cause I said Democrat? The OP's article literally called out Democrats. Many others have called out the Democrats in this thread due to their direct responsibility. But good response for not adding anything of substance and being the meme :tup: Call out something I said that was incorrect. That would be substantive.
I could care less what you say or think. Are you thinking that you have anything intelligent to add to this conversation, because that isn't particularly evident? And I'm not going to help you compose a post given your hostile attitude.....you are on your own.
Post by: Kola16 on December 24, 2024, 05:07:16 PM
Post by: MADMAX on December 24, 2024, 05:16:59 PM
Post by: Fidelk on December 24, 2024, 05:19:33 PM
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Never drink without eating and always drink when eating. Exception made for breakfast.
Post by: Platensek-po on December 24, 2024, 06:13:26 PM
Post by: chukardogs on December 24, 2024, 08:41:45 PM
How many here have kids who's futures may hold a slightly higher position on the voting importance gauge than something you do for recreation? How many here actually believe that our 2nd amendment is in peril in say, the next 20 years? How many believe, if the environment keeps deteriorating at the same rate as it has over the last 50 years, the price of ammo may not be big on the list of top concerns in the next 30 years? How many don't want dictators around the world to have an ally in the US? How many think giving massive tax breaks to the top one % isn't the way to spread the wealth of this country across the populous? How many abhore the idea of religion having any influence on how people are governed in this country?
Anyone that clicked yes to any of those questions may not have voted as you did. Grow the hell up and get over it.
I'd love to say that in the last 10 to 15 years, I was able to find one candidate that represented my beliefs. Since John McCain, not one candidate even came close to fulfilling all of my requirements and/or my idea of a moral aptitude to hold office. Not one! This lack of credible candidates has left me grasping for reasons to vote.
This "hunting" site has people of all colors, religious backgrounds, political affiliations, genders and so on. Are there people on this site that are so full of themselves, they believe, how they vote is how every person on this site is supposed to vote? Seriously! Get over yourselves! Maybe, just maybe, there's people that visit this site that don't think like you about anything but maybe hunting.
Post by: MADMAX on December 24, 2024, 08:50:09 PM
Gotcha
Post by: Not selected on December 24, 2024, 09:18:06 PM
OMFG!?! Is there anyone on this site that puts any subject, above or ahead of hunting, guns, ammo and such when it comes to their voting. Maybe the deficit, the economy, a woman's right to choose, the environment, a candidates moral character, etc, etc.... Anything? Anyone?
How many here have kids who's futures may hold a slightly higher position on the voting importance gauge than something you do for recreation? How many here actually believe that our 2nd amendment is in peril in say, the next 20 years? How many believe, if the environment keeps deteriorating at the same rate as it has over the last 50 years, the price of ammo may not be big on the list of top concerns in the next 30 years? How many don't want dictators around the world to have an ally in the US? How many think giving massive tax breaks to the top one % isn't the way to spread the wealth of this country across the populous? How many abhore the idea of religion having any influence on how people are governed in this country?
Anyone that clicked yes to any of those questions may not have voted as you did. Grow the hell up and get over it.
I'd love to say that in the last 10 to 15 years, I was able to find one candidate that represented my beliefs. Since John McCain, not one candidate even came close to fulfilling all of my requirements and/or my idea of a moral aptitude to hold office. Not one! This lack of credible candidates has left me grasping for reasons to vote.
This "hunting" site has people of all colors, religious backgrounds, political affiliations, genders and so on. Are there people on this site that are so full of themselves, they believe, how they vote is how every person on this site is supposed to vote? Seriously! Get over yourselves! Maybe, just maybe, there's people that visit this site that don't think like you about anything but maybe hunting.
You should turn off cnn. :twocents:
Post by: EnglishSetter on December 24, 2024, 10:10:42 PM
Buy your ammo in lots of 100 or 1000 and fear no more. Sheeesh.
If the democrats keep at it buying bulk ammo online will be illegal, we’ll be paying hirer prices(11percent to start with) and you’ll be required to pass a mandatory class to have a “permit” to purchase your firearms. Sheesh :tdown: all thanks to Liz berry a Seattle lib fighting destroy our 2A rights.
CA already nixxed online ammo purchases (to your door). Gotta ship to FFL and a background check on each purchase. $1 and quick if you're in the system (purchased firearm in last 5 years), but not so much if you're not. Same check/costs if you just go to your LGS to buy a box. Some friendly FFL's (not gun shops) will do the transfer for a small sum.
The regular shooters have found ways to limit the pain, but still a pain. The occasional shooters are more greatly affected.
I have a friend that moved to N California. It does not work nearly as easily as you state.
This disproportionately affects the lower middle class gun owners whom might not have the cash to buy in bulk once online purchases are eliminated.
I'd be interested in your rebuttal, but you don't offer one. I lived through it, so am pretty up to speed. Maybe your friend is still learning the ropes.
Not sure what kind of rebuttal is needed other than excess cost. If you need a extra box it costs. If you are "new" to the state it is more hassle. I buy amount in bulk which could put you on a list especiallial in Komifornia, coming to this state soon.
If we want to grow sportsmen in this state adding extra burdens to. Using a box or 2 of shells won't help.
Now will increased regulations by doo gooders help me by reducing competition? Sure. Does following Californication destruction of rights help? No. I am a Washingtonian several generation and I resent the Californication of this state as does many others from other states. Ideology from that state is a cancer and should be resisted at aĺl costs.
Amigo. I just said that purchasing ammo in CA is not particularly difficult albeit no direct online sales/mail order. You suggest that it is. Avid shooters can obtain the paperwork to ship directly. Friendly FFL's will accept shipment for a small fee. Yes there's a new (as of last summer) 11% tax (being faught). Yes there's a background check at each purchase, but it's "instant" and costs $1 (be it a box or a case). List? hell, we're all on lists by now.
Everything I stated is fact. What are you finding to be less than factual?
I'd be curious what difficulties your buddy is having and may be able to offer solutions that aren't on the .gov webpage.
Post by: elkslayer069 on December 24, 2024, 11:07:46 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 24, 2024, 11:44:27 PM
:chuckle: Mods must be busy with Xmas
I've been following along, and hoping the topic wouldn't need to be moved to the politics board.
Merry Christmas.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 27, 2024, 07:01:37 AM
It's not going to end guys....
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=1132&Year=2025
Post by: trophyhunt on December 27, 2024, 07:09:19 AM
Are you upset cause I said Democrat? The OP's article literally called out Democrats. Many others have called out the Democrats in this thread due to their direct responsibility. But good response for not adding anything of substance and being the meme :tup: Call out something I said that was incorrect. That would be substantive.100%. Love that meme too, the dems can NEVER own up to their idiocy.
Post by: MADMAX on December 27, 2024, 01:39:41 PM
Thanks reaper
Easy link to use
Post by: ghosthunter on December 27, 2024, 06:40:54 PM
OMFG!?! Is there anyone on this site that puts any subject, above or ahead of hunting, guns, ammo and such when it comes to their voting. Maybe the deficit, the economy, a woman's right to choose, the environment, a candidates moral character, etc, etc.... Anything? Anyone?
How many here have kids who's futures may hold a slightly higher position on the voting importance gauge than something you do for recreation? How many here actually believe that our 2nd amendment is in peril in say, the next 20 years? How many believe, if the environment keeps deteriorating at the same rate as it has over the last 50 years, the price of ammo may not be big on the list of top concerns in the next 30 years? How many don't want dictators around the world to have an ally in the US? How many think giving massive tax breaks to the top one % isn't the way to spread the wealth of this country across the populous? How many abhore the idea of religion having any influence on how people are governed in this country?
Anyone that clicked yes to any of those questions may not have voted as you did. Grow the hell up and get over it.
I'd love to say that in the last 10 to 15 years, I was able to find one candidate that represented my beliefs. Since John McCain, not one candidate even came close to fulfilling all of my requirements and/or my idea of a moral aptitude to hold office. Not one! This lack of credible candidates has left me grasping for reasons to vote.
This "hunting" site has people of all colors, religious backgrounds, political affiliations, genders and so on. Are there people on this site that are so full of themselves, they believe, how they vote is how every person on this site is supposed to vote? Seriously! Get over yourselves! Maybe, just maybe, there's people that visit this site that don't think like you about anything but maybe hunting.
I think of all the things you mentioned, the trouble is the folks getting elected aren’t thinking about that stuff and making it a priority.
Instead they waste time writing Gun law after gun law because they are unable to address the real problems, budget shortfalls because they waste tax dollars and resources on another gun law,but they don’t enforce the laws we have.
7 million gone because no one in the ferry system got the balls to hold a captain responsible until he runs a ferry into the dock.
People on the streets with multiple offenses.
Crime out of control
Highways jammed
Game Commission off the tracks
Mental Health gets no resources the list goes on.
Ya I would like the lawmakers to spend more time on this stuff.
But instead they waste time and resources on another useless gun law or tax. So until they get their stuff together fighting an ammo tax or another gun law is at the top of my list to oppose.
Post by: chukardogs on December 27, 2024, 07:36:49 PM
There are so many things I don't understand about our government and/or society and how poorly it functions that I get up everyday and think, there's no way this is viable. That this country can't keep going down this road and yet, we just keep going like the energizer bunny down a dead end road.
All that said, of the few solid beliefs that I have, none leave room for anyone expecting anyone else to explain why they may have voted a certain way. Sorry, not sorry. We as Americans, have three things of any value, our money, our possessions and our vote. No one cares about your opinion. That's yours! No one deserves to hear how or why anyone else voted how they did, period!
Post by: elksnout on December 27, 2024, 07:38:04 PM
Here's another cool proposed bill from the Dems....
It's not going to end guys....
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=1132&Year=2025
This. Stop wasting time bitching on here and make your GD voice be heard!! Good grief guys.
elksnout
Post by: MADMAX on December 27, 2024, 07:50:59 PM
Not hard to do
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 27, 2024, 07:51:47 PM
Here's another cool proposed bill from the Dems....
It's not going to end guys....
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=1132&Year=2025
This. Stop wasting time bitching on here and make your GD voice be heard!! Good grief guys.
elksnout
Done
Post by: cooltimber on December 27, 2024, 11:29:21 PM
Post by: fowl smacker on December 28, 2024, 06:37:20 AM
I think most people on here post to make their voice heard and to make others aware. I'm constantly emailing senators, governors, mayor's to fight against this crap.Here's another cool proposed bill from the Dems....
It's not going to end guys....
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=1132&Year=2025
This. Stop wasting time bitching on here and make your GD voice be heard!! Good grief guys.
elksnout
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 28, 2024, 06:53:07 AM
I think most people on here post to make their voice heard and to make others aware. I'm constantly emailing senators, governors, mayor's to fight against this crap.Here's another cool proposed bill from the Dems....
It's not going to end guys....
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=1132&Year=2025
This. Stop wasting time bitching on here and make your GD voice be heard!! Good grief guys.
elksnout
Same here, sometimes it's good to get a heads up on things going on so a person can make their voice heard by emailing or calling.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 28, 2024, 07:46:19 AM
I think most people on here post to make their voice heard and to make others aware. I'm constantly emailing senators, governors, mayor's to fight against this crap.Here's another cool proposed bill from the Dems....
It's not going to end guys....
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=1132&Year=2025
This. Stop wasting time bitching on here and make your GD voice be heard!! Good grief guys.
elksnout
Same here, sometimes it's good to get a heads up on things going on so a person can make their voice heard by emailing or calling.
Judging by the last election and how the vote to repeal a lot of the bad laws that the democrats passed went. I’m sure they have the majority and will just keep passing this crap. The only refuge a guy is going to get in this state is moving to a state that hasnt been over taken by Californians and their politics
Post by: jstone on December 28, 2024, 09:29:56 AM
Post by: callturner on December 28, 2024, 11:05:15 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 28, 2024, 11:11:05 AM
Im wondering with the new administration coming in if any of our anti 2nd amendment laws can be fought off.
The best chance of squashing any of these laws will be at the federal level. Though we’ll find out in January how liberal our state Supreme Court is when the gator guns magazine ban case is argued.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 28, 2024, 11:27:30 AM
Im wondering with the new administration coming in if any of our anti 2nd amendment laws can be fought off.
The best chance of squashing any of these laws will be at the federal level. Though we’ll find out in January how liberal our state Supreme Court is when the gator guns magazine ban case is argued.
Really our only chance.
Dems control Olympia..so they'll get allot more agenda driven legislation passed than other year's..
It doesn't hurt to email your reps, and the sponsor's of some of these bills.
Keep it professional
But I suspect they'll mostly ignore anyone anti agenda..
As the upper courts start ruling on 2A Case's hopefully lower courts will get the clue and rule favorably so they don't look like idiots.
But we've also seen Washington doesn't care about the courts so there's that. Especially Ferguson.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 28, 2024, 12:24:50 PM
Post by: Cougartail on December 28, 2024, 12:36:00 PM
The worse part is they are targeting the recreational outdoors man. It's not our fault that they over spent their budget and relied on the COVID money the feds were handing out like candy. Seems predjudice against a select group.
Not to worry! I contacted the Trump administration and proposed a $200 excise tax per abortion. With a 20/80 split, feds to state it should help with the budget crisis in this country. Since taxation is not an infringement on rights everybody will be fine with this.. :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on January 22, 2025, 12:41:56 PM
I think what you heard was sheer frustration. Also that the assumption is that the same folks that cares about hunting/2a feel the same way the OP does on the other issues. We have had some really good democrats on hunting and 2 a and hunting in the past. But those numbers are very few on 2a and does not translate to hunting in many cases.
This site is a wealth of informations but YOU have to able to ignore frustrated or inflammatory comments that set you off.
We have all bad days and or need to vent some times, I'm certainly not perfect because I've thrown stones before.
Unfortunately I don't see this states political outlook improving I just hope federally we get some relief.
Post by: ghosthunter on January 22, 2025, 01:02:27 PM
Just for the record I comment on every gun law that comes along to all the reps I can.
Got a response today from house rep that they had noting to do with the ammo tax . I have to contact the state senate. So I did.
Everyday I talk to folks who voted Red but we were just out numbered. I have convinced more than one person to stop voting Dem. And more will come in time.
The biggest problem is anyone voting Red feels alone. But they aren’t. And sites like this or any avenue you can find are important to spread the word. I wear my MAGA hat when ever I go out and have numerous people approach me to talk our thumbs up. It’s not that I love Trump. But the hat shows were I stand. And I think that’s importantly in this state.
I give a die hard liberal a ride to work every day. And every day what’s happening to this state is on the conversation menu. But I will keep working on him.
:twocents:
Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 22, 2025, 03:39:22 PM
Post by: Cougartail on January 22, 2025, 04:29:43 PM
How do I officially propose an excise tax on suits, ties and dress does? I want to help the state budget deficit.
We need a 11 percent tax on irresponsible recreational sex. Abortion rarely is a woman's health issue but a easy way out of being resposible
Post by: MADMAX on January 22, 2025, 05:44:27 PM
How do I officially propose an excise tax on suits, ties and dress does? I want to help the state budget deficit.
We need a 11 percent tax on irresponsible recreational sex. Abortion rarely is a woman's health issue but a easy way out of being resposible
Your going to put someone in “crisis” with that kind of talk 👍 :chuckle:
Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 23, 2025, 12:38:47 PM
Post by: CoryTDF on January 23, 2025, 01:00:27 PM
Taxes are good if the revenue is spent to benefit everyone and if there is data supporting it. When groups are proposing taxes to try to jab at people who they are targeting based on moral or ideological righteousness, thats a problem. It always comes across as baby steps to remove guns or make ownership a hassle. But the gun stats in washington say 80% of gun deaths are suicide and 20% crime (mainly with illegal guns). When your group is called the council for responsible gun ownership or whatever.... How exactly is proposing an ammo tax going to create better gun owners? Someone with mental health issues only needs 1 bullet. A criminal with a stolen gun didnt pay taxes on the stolen ammo. All the magazine limitations, closing FFL's.. ammo taxes.. its like trying to fight DUI deaths by limiting the size of the gas tank or adding a tax on windshield wipers. Its silly gimmicks that don't benefit society.
Preach on brother!!!