Post by: tritt007 on January 20, 2025, 09:00:49 PM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=5390&Year=2025&Initiative=false&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1_bibby7PoQQBkv57kAGZ_9WU48lrgJJqBCe496Z_Cz2FwBvV99g7OsxU_aem_H9dAaNGabRAr9NVNCA99Kg
Post by: storyteller on January 20, 2025, 10:11:26 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 20, 2025, 10:11:58 PM
Nothing I like better than trash dumps and shot up everything
Thank you turds and slob shooters
Post by: HillHound on January 21, 2025, 01:53:08 AM
Post by: duckmen1 on January 21, 2025, 09:02:42 AM
Post by: timberfaller on January 21, 2025, 09:06:07 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 21, 2025, 09:14:39 AM
Well, we have to get the money somewhere since we’re gonna let all the marketable timber on state land rot or burn. I imagine this will continue to go up over the next few years as our opportunities for hunters go down. I still cannot believe that up theGrove is our land manager. Freaking ridiculous!votes matter, and people are idiots. This upthegrove will be very bad!!
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 21, 2025, 09:41:52 AM
Post by: snit on January 21, 2025, 09:48:12 AM
Never have...f-em'!
Post by: Cougartail on January 21, 2025, 10:21:15 AM
Taxpayers are always on the hook for the actions of government dimwits.
Post by: bearpaw on January 21, 2025, 10:33:23 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on January 21, 2025, 10:55:55 AM
As a state employee this has been a topic of great concern lately. One of the things that I found interesting is that our past idiot governor made the great decision to force all state agencies to buy from "local, DEI, women owned, veteran owned, ext..." business. Sure, on the surface it sounds good, but it effectively raised to cost of nearly everything I know of by at least two-fold. It's been a nightmare for ordering.
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 21, 2025, 10:59:52 AM
Post by: timberfaller on January 21, 2025, 11:01:45 AM
Vote bill in/on that cost MILLIONS of DOLLARS to implement, YEP working on closing the shortfall
Handing out more FREEBIES to illegals, YEP working on closing the shortfall
The Clown Show is happening!!
Post by: Broomd on January 21, 2025, 12:29:36 PM
Damn shame, because it's inherently a beautiful state!
Would never live there.
Post by: bearhunter99 on January 21, 2025, 03:22:28 PM
Post by: GWP on January 21, 2025, 04:22:38 PM
They want to move the goalposts on passing bonds and levies as well
This would be funny if it was not true. I was pretty surprised by this last election seeing what a mess the State is in.
BUT, the majority of the State's population lives in the Seattle concrete jungle.
I have lived here for most of my life and it is quite sad to see the changes from the late 60's up until now.
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 21, 2025, 05:21:55 PM
The liberal people on the west side are going to tax me into prosperity even if I have to live in a cardboard box.
Post by: 85yota on January 21, 2025, 05:45:44 PM
Post by: Smokeploe on January 21, 2025, 08:17:57 PM
Smokeploe
Post by: MADMAX on January 21, 2025, 08:31:31 PM
5 minutes to document your approval or opposition
https://app.leg.wa.gov/BillSummary/?BillNumber=5390&Year=2025&Initiative=false
Make your voices heard
Post by: BUTTER on January 21, 2025, 08:37:18 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 21, 2025, 08:44:24 PM
I don't know about you guys but I'm pretty tired of being targeted. Increase on ammo, increase on outdoor access for state lands they don't manage and or protect and where does this money go where is this short fall coming from im serious please explain
Guns are scary for them
https://gunresponsibility.org/
https://washingtonstatestandard.com/2024/12/13/making-sense-of-washingtons-multi-billion-dollar-budget-hole/
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 21, 2025, 08:47:35 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 21, 2025, 08:49:58 PM
Before I would raise the fee, I'd require the pass for anyone driving on the beaches. Let everyone feel the pain, not just hunters and fishermen.
My daughter got a ticket at point no point for no disco pass and she was just walking the beach
They do check
Post by: bigtex on January 22, 2025, 05:39:06 AM
I think Sitka is referring to the coast, not just any beach. The coast (Beach) is officially known as the Seashore Conservation Area and is the only state land where a Discover Pass is not needed.Before I would raise the fee, I'd require the pass for anyone driving on the beaches. Let everyone feel the pain, not just hunters and fishermen.
My daughter got a ticket at point no point for no disco pass and she was just walking the beach
They do check
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Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 22, 2025, 05:59:11 AM
Post by: MADMAX on January 22, 2025, 06:08:13 AM
I think Sitka is referring to the coast, not just any beach. The coast (Beach) is officially known as the Seashore Conservation Area and is the only state land where a Discover Pass is not needed.Before I would raise the fee, I'd require the pass for anyone driving on the beaches. Let everyone feel the pain, not just hunters and fishermen.
My daughter got a ticket at point no point for no disco pass and she was just walking the beach
They do check
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Ha
I had no idea
My wife always has hers when she goes so never knew it wasnt needed
thanks
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 22, 2025, 07:20:56 AM
I don't know about you guys but I'm pretty tired of being targeted. Increase on ammo, increase on outdoor access for state lands they don't manage and or protect and where does this money go where is this short fall coming from im serious please explain
Guns are scary for them
https://gunresponsibility.org/
DONE on all counts!
https://washingtonstatestandard.com/2024/12/13/making-sense-of-washingtons-multi-billion-dollar-budget-hole/
Post by: jstone on January 22, 2025, 12:03:22 PM
Post by: Chris57 on January 22, 2025, 12:18:56 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 22, 2025, 01:06:05 PM
I think Sitka is referring to the coast, not just any beach. The coast (Beach) is officially known as the Seashore Conservation Area and is the only state land where a Discover Pass is not needed.Before I would raise the fee, I'd require the pass for anyone driving on the beaches. Let everyone feel the pain, not just hunters and fishermen.
My daughter got a ticket at point no point for no disco pass and she was just walking the beach
They do check
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Exactly
Post by: Oldguy on January 22, 2025, 01:59:24 PM
Post by: timberfaller on March 20, 2025, 09:58:49 AM
I can't seem to copy and paste the DNR's page that explain what will happen, mainly the re-allocating of funds is what's going to happen. Then user groups will lose their portion of funding. The DNR would actually want it deferred so they can get the user groups input, which hasn't really taken place.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/?BillNumber=5390&Year=2025&Initiative=false
Post by: Oldguy on March 20, 2025, 10:26:18 AM
Post by: duckmen1 on March 20, 2025, 11:25:52 AM
Sounds like our recent affairs. Cost more to poach eggs than a deer!!
Post by: duckmen1 on March 20, 2025, 11:26:59 AM
Post by: bigtex on March 20, 2025, 11:37:22 AM
Was just informed the other day from our jeep club and PNW4WDA to contact our "Reps". Vote no or vote to defer. IF this gets passed, expect to lose access to a lot of areas, not only 4x4's but all groups who enjoy public lands.Please explain how increasing the price of the DP will cause loss of access.
I can't seem to copy and paste the DNR's page that explain what will happen, mainly the re-allocating of funds is what's going to happen. Then user groups will lose their portion of funding. The DNR would actually want it deferred so they can get the user groups input, which hasn't really taken place.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/?BillNumber=5390&Year=2025&Initiative=false
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Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on March 20, 2025, 12:48:21 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 20, 2025, 12:59:01 PM
Just more money for them to mismanage. Wdfw is celebrating cause they get a cut.They've always gotten a portion of it.
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Post by: timberfaller on March 20, 2025, 02:52:43 PM
From a email sent to me:
The Discover Pass was implemented 15 years ago to help fund Washington State Parks, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR), and Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW). The current status is that funds are allocated as 84% to State Parks, 8% to DNR and 8% to WDFW up to $71M each biennium, and any money beyond that initial $71M is to be allocated as 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 to each of the three agencies. Over the past 15 years, the price of the Discover Pass has not been increased despite accumulated inflation of 46%, and the shortfalls have been made-up by allocations from the General Fund.
However, we now have a new state administration under which these reallocations from the General Fund are no longer being made, thus the proposed 50% increase in Discover Pass pricing from the current $30 to $45 as proposed in ESSB 5390. This was presented in the WA State Senate, which amended ESSB 5390 to also increase the $71M threshold to $100M for the transition to the 1/3-1/3-1/3 allocation. This may affect the funding for DNR and WDFW.
DNR is proposing that the change in allocation of funding for these agencies might be better addressed after engaging input from the stakeholders, including State Parks, DNR, WDFW, and recreation users such as hikers, mountain bikers, 4x4, ATV, motorcycle, snowmobile and equestrian communities. They propose consideration to defer action on this legislation until the next legislative session to incorporate this input.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on March 20, 2025, 02:56:14 PM
Just more money for them to mismanage. Wdfw is celebrating cause they get a cut.They've always gotten a portion of it.
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I know I spent 25 years with the outfit. I was there when it was originally enacted. It definitely pulled a few agencies out of a pickle.
I also participated in the mismanagement part. Spend it or lose it. Lotsa stories I could tell.
Post by: pat2bear on May 16, 2025, 08:13:50 AM
Post by: hunter399 on May 16, 2025, 01:14:20 PM
The two vehicle limit pisses me off the most.
Post by: Moose Master on May 16, 2025, 05:03:32 PM