Post by: TeacherMan on January 30, 2025, 09:07:41 PM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/nonresidents-need-valid-idaho-big-game-hunting-license-gather-antlers-idaho#:~:text=This%20new%20rule%20went%20into,nonresident%20to%20hunt%20big%20game.”
Post by: kellama2001 on February 01, 2025, 09:39:18 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 09:46:46 AM
Post by: bornhunter on February 01, 2025, 09:50:11 AM
I’d expect this from wa, not Idaho. So, if I’m hiking around the woods in Idaho and find an antler laying on the ground, I need a hunting license to pick it up? This has to be completely illegal, Idaho gets the big middle finger from me about this!!!
Its all about money these days regardless of the state.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 09:55:09 AM
did they even stop and think about it before passing something this restrictive?? Not all shed hunters hunt, what about just going for a walk in OUR forest lands and finding a bone on the ground, now in Idaho you need a license to pick it up?? Insane and way over reaching!!!!I’d expect this from wa, not Idaho. So, if I’m hiking around the woods in Idaho and find an antler laying on the ground, I need a hunting license to pick it up? This has to be completely illegal, Idaho gets the big middle finger from me about this!!!
Its all about money these days regardless of the state.
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 01, 2025, 10:02:50 AM
Even if it could have died from natural causes.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 10:07:28 AM
Doesn't Washington have a restricting about picking up a skull with the horns still attached?yes, it’s illegal to pick up “dead heads” in Wa, not naturally shed antlers though. That is also a stupid law, they think it keeps poachers from shooting animals and then coming back later to pick up the head, so dumb.
Even if it could have died from natural causes.
Post by: HillHound on February 01, 2025, 10:07:46 AM
Doesn't Washington have a restricting about picking up a skull with the horns still attached?You’re darn right it’s illegal. They know for a fact, any deadhead you find out there was poached by you months or years earlier for you to plan your return later and get it if by chance someone else doesn’t pick it up or it’s drug off by an animal and chewed up by porcupines or squirrels. Such a stupid rule!
Even if it could have died from natural causes.
Post by: chukardogs on February 01, 2025, 10:20:05 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on February 01, 2025, 10:29:56 AM
So enjoy while you can. Stupid laws very hard to enforce.
Post by: Broomd on February 01, 2025, 10:52:04 AM
It's not enough that the hordes of non-res hunters commence on this state every Fall, but heaven forbid Idaho should decide to put a premium on antler gathering for additional state revenue. Horrors! By all means those items which all belong to the people of Idaho should be FREE FOR EVERYONE!
Maybe the best thing that some can do is be THANKFUL that this state hasn't completely f*cked their own resource to the point that neighboring states indeed have. Most of you will be here in the next 7-8 months anyway so quit the bitching.
Post by: bear on February 01, 2025, 11:26:42 AM
You guys are funny, how do you know which legislators 'step foot into the hills'? Pure anecdotal crap.
It's not enough that the hordes of non-res hunters commence on this state every Fall, but heaven forbid Idaho should decide to put a premium on antler gathering for additional state revenue. Horrors! By all means those items which all belong to the people of Idaho should be FREE FOR EVERYONE!
Maybe the best thing that some can do is be THANKFUL that this state hasn't completely f*cked their own resource to the point that neighboring states indeed have. Most of you will be here in the next 7-8 months anyway so quit the bitching.
Isn’t there a hunting Idaho page where you can harass people?
Post by: bornhunter on February 01, 2025, 11:47:32 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 11:59:23 AM
You guys are funny, how do you know which legislators 'step foot into the hills'? Pure anecdotal crap.I was waiting for a response like this, comical. If possible, take your hate for non residents out of the equation. Ask yourself, should a state require an almost $200 license to pick up shed antlers on national forest land? If you think that is right, I know how you vote!
It's not enough that the hordes of non-res hunters commence on this state every Fall, but heaven forbid Idaho should decide to put a premium on antler gathering for additional state revenue. Horrors! By all means those items which all belong to the people of Idaho should be FREE FOR EVERYONE!
Maybe the best thing that some can do is be THANKFUL that this state hasn't completely f*cked their own resource to the point that neighboring states indeed have. Most of you will be here in the next 7-8 months anyway so quit the bitching.
Post by: chukardogs on February 01, 2025, 12:06:40 PM
As far as Idaho making it a law for the out of state shed hunter to have a license. Their state, their resource, their choice. If the license is truly 185 dollars, I can only assume, the amount they lost was minimal. The person that doesn't hunt and just likes to wander the hills to see what they can find will go elsewhere, which may have been the aim all along. The people that buy an out of state license to hunt will keep on doing what they do. I personally could give two cents but I'm sure Idaho had a fairly good idea how much money this decision would cost them and figured why not.
Post by: chukardogs on February 01, 2025, 12:11:05 PM
Post by: Broomd on February 01, 2025, 12:12:58 PM
I was waiting for a response like this, comical. If possible, take your hate for non residents out of the equation. Ask yourself, should a state require an almost $200 license to pick up shed antlers on national forest land? If you think that is right, I know how you vote!
Meh, 'hate,' total bullsh*t. Own the whining because in the end that's what it is. Be grateful for the opportunities that exist! The animals here and their sheds are property of the people of Idaho, the same could be said of Washington's game. State sovereignty is a thing.
You know nothing about my 'vote' fail to see the relevance anyway.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 12:30:38 PM
democrats love stupid laws that restrict peoples rights, just saying.
I was waiting for a response like this, comical. If possible, take your hate for non residents out of the equation. Ask yourself, should a state require an almost $200 license to pick up shed antlers on national forest land? If you think that is right, I know how you vote!
Meh, 'hate,' total bullsh*t. Own the whining because in the end that's what it is. Be grateful for the opportunities that exist! The animals here and their sheds are property of the people of Idaho, the same could be said of Washington's game. State sovereignty is a thing.
You know nothing about my 'vote' fail to see the relevance anyway.
Post by: Born2late on February 01, 2025, 12:31:39 PM
As far as the shed hunting license goes in Idaho, in the area I hunt in the spring there are truckloads of people that come through and do it for a business picking up the sheds to sell. And it’s not hunters they have to go in and pick them up. So I’m wondering if that was some of the motivation to make this law. Maybe to cut down on the big groups that are pushing the wintering deer and elk around.
Post by: Feathernfurr on February 01, 2025, 12:44:31 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 12:53:57 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on February 01, 2025, 01:09:35 PM
Winter closures help the herds, not over charging for a license. Those idiots chasing animals on snow machines should be easy to catch, and punishment should be harsh, like losing their machine. Nobody is gonna buy a non resident license just to pick up sheds. This new law wont detour the flood of people in certain areas one bit, it’s just one more stupid law.
It absolutely will control crowds some. I’m sure you have your arguments, but until you live there and have seen it your input just isn’t really valuable. That’s not a disrespect things, it’s just facts. Live there full time year round and see what the locals see then form your opinion. As much as you’d love to think it’s simple to catch those folks it’s just not that easy. That state is made up of so many large tracts of blm, usfs, and state land. Not all law enforcement officers have authority to enforce laws on other agencies land. The blm officers there where a lot of the winter closures exist are spread thing. By requiring individuals to have a license it gives officers the authority to hold people accountable on federal lands. In many of the winter closures the fine for shed hunting is $75 and forfeiture of their antlers. It’s an absolute slap on the wrist. With the license requirement it just gives idfg officers a better tool to protect the resources. I understand people’s love of freedom and dislike for government oversight. But we as outdoorsman have proven time and time again that we can’t be left to our own devices to recreate responsibly, and so the government is forced to step in when we can’t respect the resources. A lot of Washington residents like to treat Idaho like it’s the Wild West and get upset now that they’re starting to step up and protect their resources. Washington, as most of you have said, has gone to chit for hunting and fishing. Respect Idaho’s resources and management and theirs won’t go to crap like Washington has. If you don’t like it, then move there.
Post by: Broomd on February 01, 2025, 01:28:01 PM
democrats love stupid laws that restrict peoples rights, just saying.
On that we can agree. But Idaho isn't restricting here, simply capitalizing on a resource.
I've been called many things in my life, but never a democrat.
Post by: chukardogs on February 01, 2025, 01:50:08 PM
I'll probably be called far worse before it's over so, meh' oh well. If it makes some on here feel good to call people names, whether they have even the slightest clue who they're corresponding with, c'est la vie! Tomorrow's a new day.
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on February 01, 2025, 04:29:49 PM
Post by: HillHound on February 01, 2025, 04:43:08 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 01, 2025, 04:51:50 PM
I personally feel if the groups that don’t hunt but benefit from game animals contributed to the fund the world would be a better place and hunters would be hated less if they had to pay as well. If you collect from the land or even enjoy just watching and photography pay up and join us hunters who choose to hunt.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 01, 2025, 04:53:56 PM
I suppose Washington should require you to have a Fishing or at least a clamming license to pick up any driftwood or seashells at the ocean if you are not a Washington resident. Just a $75 fine and of course an additional amount per shell and stick if caught…. Where does it stop?
I'm pretty sure there are already some kinda laws about removing driftwood and shells.
Post by: chukardogs on February 01, 2025, 05:17:31 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 01, 2025, 05:22:28 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 05:50:24 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on February 01, 2025, 05:52:14 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 05:53:40 PM
If guys from 150 years ago were still around we wouldn’t have any animals left to hunt 😂lol, I should have said “time traveler” from 150 years ago.
Post by: JJJ on February 01, 2025, 05:58:06 PM
I suppose Washington should require you to have a Fishing or at least a clamming license to pick up any driftwood or seashells at the ocean if you are not a Washington resident. Just a $75 fine and of course an additional amount per shell and stick if caught…. Where does it stop?
I'm pretty sure there are already some kinda laws about removing driftwood and shells.
Apparently I am part of the uniformed old farts that just assumed simple privileges still existed....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!? :dunno:... We took the grandkids to the Oregon coast in mid January to see the king tides for the first time... We went to Yaquina Bay lighthouse and had a great time.... While down on the beach, a guy in a road construction vest reminded us ( and others) that we could not take anything from the beach... we all had a few keepsakes in our pockets.... :yike:... later that day we had a great time on the beach in front of our hotel in Lincoln City with easily 100+ people collecting agates and shells that the king tides had brought in.... Some people were out there well into the night with headlamps on- everyone had a great time; brought back some great memories, and created new ones for the little ones... My grandkids made some outstanding presents and personal keepsakes from the shells and agates they found; things that will be cherished for a very long time.....so; my question is,.... WTF!!!???? :dunno: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:.. pretty fffffffffffffffff sad......
Post by: bornhunter on February 01, 2025, 06:14:44 PM
This country is doomed, the amount of people who think this is a good idea is baffling. Imagine what the next couple generations will be willing to put up with? If a guy from the past, say 150 years ago, could see what people are willing to put up with today, he’d think he was in a different country. Glad I’ll be dead in 50 years cause imagine what people will give up to the government. You won’t be able to take a piss outside!
Just so you know, you stop along the freeway because you cant hold it any longer its a thousand bucks! One more thing.
Post by: JJJ on February 01, 2025, 06:20:06 PM
This country is doomed, the amount of people who think this is a good idea is baffling. Imagine what the next couple generations will be willing to put up with? If a guy from the past, say 150 years ago, could see what people are willing to put up with today, he’d think he was in a different country. Glad I’ll be dead in 50 years cause imagine what people will give up to the government. You won’t be able to take a piss outside!
Just so you know, you stop along the freeway because you cant hold it any longer its a thousand bucks! One more thing.
My ticket will have a yellow hue to it, and then they'll have to write me another one for littering.... :twocents:
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2025, 06:39:57 PM
It is, maybe just us older guys get it?I suppose Washington should require you to have a Fishing or at least a clamming license to pick up any driftwood or seashells at the ocean if you are not a Washington resident. Just a $75 fine and of course an additional amount per shell and stick if caught…. Where does it stop?
I'm pretty sure there are already some kinda laws about removing driftwood and shells.
Apparently I am part of the uniformed old farts that just assumed simple privileges still existed....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!? :dunno:... We took the grandkids to the Oregon coast in mid January to see the king tides for the first time... We went to Yaquina Bay lighthouse and had a great time.... While down on the beach, a guy in a road construction vest reminded us ( and others) that we could not take anything from the beach... we all had a few keepsakes in our pockets.... :yike:... later that day we had a great time on the beach in front of our hotel in Lincoln City with easily 100+ people collecting agates and shells that the king tides had brought in.... Some people were out there well into the night with headlamps on- everyone had a great time; brought back some great memories, and created new ones for the little ones... My grandkids made some outstanding presents and personal keepsakes from the shells and agates they found; things that will be cherished for a very long time.....so; my question is,.... WTF!!!???? :dunno: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:.. pretty fffffffffffffffff sad......
Post by: chukardogs on February 01, 2025, 07:39:10 PM
Post by: EnglishSetter on February 01, 2025, 08:44:50 PM
For decades, SD didn't allow pheasant hunting until 10 a.m. This wasn't to protect the birds, but to promote out-of-state hunter's eating, drinking, spending money well into the evening/night. The couple months of bird season was the "time of wealth" for many rural communities.
But shed hunting has become quite commercial in recent years and Idaho deserves a piece of the action. Perhaps an excise tax (based on weight?) on exit. Target those with commercial aspirations and not the guy who finds an antler or two in happenstance.
Post by: TeacherMan on February 01, 2025, 11:45:48 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 02, 2025, 07:54:25 AM
If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.
I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you? It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2025, 08:20:46 AM
I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.Now that’s an argument that starts to make sense, I can see what you are saying there. But I don’t think requiring an expensive license (if the commercial guys don’t hunt in Idaho) will slow them down. Better enforcement and stiffer fines for people going into closed areas would be a better change, in my opinion.
If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.
I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you? It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 02, 2025, 08:31:42 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 02, 2025, 08:36:29 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on February 02, 2025, 08:50:14 AM
I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.
If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.
I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you? It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.
If this was the case wouldn’t they apply a license/permit to ALL rather than just to NON RESIDENTS. I think Idahoans are having a hard time reconciling that their population is continuing to increase and they continue to place blame on those that don’t even live in their state. Over crowding isn’t a non resident issue nor is pressuring animals on their winter range. It is a problem caused by the burgeoning increase of residents in Idaho and they seem to keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
Post by: Feathernfurr on February 02, 2025, 09:03:42 AM
I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.
If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.
I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you? It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.
If this was the case wouldn’t they apply a license/permit to ALL rather than just to NON RESIDENTS. I think Idahoans are having a hard time reconciling that their population is continuing to increase and they continue to place blame on those that don’t even live in their state. Over crowding isn’t a non resident issue nor is pressuring animals on their winter range. It is a problem caused by the burgeoning increase of residents in Idaho and they seem to keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
Except the fact that 4/6 neighboring states to Idaho have shed closures and seasons that extend later in the year than many of idahos, and have stricter fines. There is absolutely a flood of non residents in Idaho during shed season. I’m not sure I understand how so many people make these claims that Idahoans don’t understand what’s going on and want to blame non residents, as if they aren’t at the trail head regularly seeing the out of state guys. Yes Idaho residents understand their population is growing. In the decade I lived in Idaho I saw 2-3x the amount of Wyoming, Utah, Washington, Oregon plates at trailheads and boat ramps as I did Idaho plates.
These new regulations are in response to neighboring states increasing their regulations and driving their die hard residents to Idaho until their seasons open. Just last year Wyoming made it a law that non residents can’t shed hunt in Wyoming until a week after residents get to start. Making things like the Jackson shed opener a resident only activity. Wyoming residents hammer the crap out of Idaho until May 1 when they get to play on their own turf. Washington residents are so disgruntled with the state of their own fish and wildlife and then act like Idaho owes them something. I understand the frustration, but don’t sit here and act like Washingtonian are experts on Idahoans problems as if they aren’t seeing them every single day.
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 02, 2025, 09:07:36 AM
I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.
If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.
I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you? It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.
If this was the case wouldn’t they apply a license/permit to ALL rather than just to NON RESIDENTS. I think Idahoans are having a hard time reconciling that their population is continuing to increase and they continue to place blame on those that don’t even live in their state. Over crowding isn’t a non resident issue nor is pressuring animals on their winter range. It is a problem caused by the burgeoning increase of residents in Idaho and they seem to keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
All of the states are getting it wrong. Idaho is listening to their residents who keep saying the non residents are the issue. They do not want to argue with their residents and let them know what the real issues are. Instead they can simply give the residents what they are asking for and they get no backlash.
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 02, 2025, 09:30:25 AM
Is this a case of incompetence by the department or the case that they just want to get the complainers to shut up?
Post by: hughjorgan on February 02, 2025, 10:12:08 AM
Post by: TeacherMan on February 07, 2025, 11:18:20 AM
Commercial is ruining everything from Morel mushrooms, Hucks, antlers to elk hunting (jerky). That being said, I hope I have a years notice to sell off my antler pile. It’s almost like a 401k.
Think of the value it could bring to your pile if they said no more collecting of antlers, but antlers that have been collected prior are grandfathered in :chuckle:
Post by: goldenhtr on February 07, 2025, 05:02:11 PM
seems goofy to me. Idaho (or any other state) benefit$ from people recreating in their state.
For decades, SD didn't allow pheasant hunting until 10 a.m. This wasn't to protect the birds, but to promote out-of-state hunter's eating, drinking, spending money well into the evening/night. The couple months of bird season was the "time of wealth" for many rural communities.
But shed hunting has become quite commercial in recent years and Idaho deserves a piece of the action. Perhaps an excise tax (based on weight?) on exit. Target those with commercial aspirations and not the guy who finds an antler or two in happenstance.
Still opens at 10am:)
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 07, 2025, 06:42:37 PM