Post by: boneaddict on February 05, 2025, 05:40:34 PM
G2________ G2_______
G3________ G3_______
G4________ G4_______
F mains_______ F Mains__________
H total_______ H total________
Inside_________
gross__________
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Post by: Bullkllr on February 05, 2025, 06:19:27 PM
Post by: bigmacc on February 05, 2025, 07:06:07 PM
Post by: bigmacc on February 05, 2025, 07:07:30 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on February 05, 2025, 07:41:37 PM
Post by: lewy on February 05, 2025, 07:55:50 PM
Post by: link on February 05, 2025, 08:21:13 PM
G1. 1.5-1.5
G2. 16 -16.5
G3. 8.5- 9
G4. 9- 10
Mb. 22- 23
H. 15- 15
IS. 22
Gross -169
He might be a bit longer on some measurements, so I'd guess he might go anywhere from 170-175
Post by: High Climber on February 05, 2025, 09:01:09 PM
G1s 1.5
G2’s 18
G3s 10
G4s 11
Mains 23
Mass 36
Spread 23
183” gross but he looks bigger than that to me at first glance
Post by: fly4fish on February 05, 2025, 09:11:26 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 06, 2025, 04:47:05 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 06, 2025, 04:48:56 AM
2x2. 4
17x2. 34
10x2. 20
12x2. 24
32 mass
23x2. 46
23
183 so 180 buck.
He is awfully purty!
Post by: LDennis24 on February 06, 2025, 08:11:37 AM
Post by: meatwhack on February 06, 2025, 08:53:29 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on February 06, 2025, 09:05:39 AM
2.5x2
13.5x2
10.5x2
13.6x2
5.0x2
4.2x2
4.0x2
4.0x2
18.2x2
30
Gross: 181
Post by: kirkl on February 06, 2025, 09:19:57 AM
Post by: Feathernfurr on February 06, 2025, 09:36:49 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 06, 2025, 09:51:30 AM
Short hand I didi think you're pretty spot on Doug except I dont think his g1's are 2". Closer to 1.5". I'd give his passenger side g4 12" but driver side is closer to 10" and give him 33 on mass.
2x2. 4
17x2. 34
10x2. 20
12x2. 24
32 mass
23x2. 46
23
183 so 180 buck.
He is awfully purty!
Post by: trophyhunt on February 06, 2025, 10:30:51 AM
Man I must really suck at scoring cause my 176 bucks looks WAY bigger than this buck and guys throwing out 180-190.agree! I must suck too, guessed 172ish
Post by: link on February 06, 2025, 10:59:27 AM
Yea, I'm not seeing much over 170. It's a nice buckMan I must really suck at scoring cause my 176 bucks looks WAY bigger than this buck and guys throwing out 180-190.agree! I must suck too, guessed 172ish
Post by: OutHouse on February 06, 2025, 11:17:09 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2025, 11:24:47 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 06, 2025, 11:31:26 AM
Upper 160’s, don’t think it hits the 170 mark.lets hear your "measurements"
Post by: The scout on February 06, 2025, 12:41:08 PM
Post by: chukardogs on February 06, 2025, 01:17:18 PM
I remember a buck that hung in the restaurant at Mineral Springs, (circa 1992) that had a plaque and don't quote me but I thought it said, Washington state record Mule deer and had the score at 204. It was also wide and tall with long tines but not very heavy. Very similar to this buck.
Post by: teal101 on February 06, 2025, 01:19:33 PM
Upper 160’s, don’t think it hits the 170 mark.Thats what I see, but I'm an absolute novice at scoring so take it for what its worth :dunno:
Came up with 168
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2025, 01:44:59 PM
Upper 160’s, don’t think it hits the 170 mark.lets hear your "measurements"
1.5 1.5
15 15
9 9
11 11
23 23
20 spread
30 mass
$0.02
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on February 06, 2025, 02:21:16 PM
1.75x1.75 3.5
16x2 32
10x2 20
11x2 22
Mass 32
Main 45
Spread 23.5
He is lacking mass for sure but it don't take much to hit 32".
Post by: jjhunter on February 06, 2025, 02:27:12 PM
I’ve been off by 10” before. Rather be pleasantly surprised than not. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2025, 02:32:31 PM
I'm coming up with 178".
1.75x1.75 3.5
16x2 32
10x2 20
11x2 22
Mass 32
Main 45
Spread 23.5
He is lacking mass for sure but it don't take much to hit 32".
Main 45?
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on February 06, 2025, 02:50:21 PM
I'm coming up with 178".
1.75x1.75 3.5
16x2 32
10x2 20
11x2 22
Mass 32
Main 45
Spread 23.5
He is lacking mass for sure but it don't take much to hit 32".
Main 45?
Main beam 22.5" x2.
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2025, 03:26:16 PM
I'm coming up with 178".
1.75x1.75 3.5
16x2 32
10x2 20
11x2 22
Mass 32
Main 45
Spread 23.5
He is lacking mass for sure but it don't take much to hit 32".
Main 45?
Main beam 22.5" x2.
Don’t forget to change your spread credit then. ;)
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on February 06, 2025, 03:31:11 PM
Post by: dvolmer on February 06, 2025, 10:16:22 PM
Post by: Reidus on February 06, 2025, 10:40:13 PM
Short hand I didi think you're pretty spot on Doug except I dont think his g1's are 2". Closer to 1.5". I'd give his passenger side g4 12" but driver side is closer to 10" and give him 33 on mass.
2x2. 4
17x2. 34
10x2. 20
12x2. 24
32 mass
23x2. 46
23
183 so 180 buck.
He is awfully purty!
What if he has a body like your desert buck?
That can really foul the guesstimates up.
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2025, 11:40:04 PM
Short hand I didi think you're pretty spot on Doug except I dont think his g1's are 2". Closer to 1.5". I'd give his passenger side g4 12" but driver side is closer to 10" and give him 33 on mass.
2x2. 4
17x2. 34
10x2. 20
12x2. 24
32 mass
23x2. 46
23
183 so 180 buck.
He is awfully purty!
What if he has a body like your desert buck?
That can really foul the guesstimates up.
This is a nice buck but clearly not old, just good genes. It’s a good buck in Washington, Idaho and Montana’s general hunts, but a pass with a Washington late tag. :twocents:
Post by: blindluck on February 07, 2025, 06:42:11 AM
Never been good with my eyeballs.
2.5x2
13.5x2
10.5x2
13.6x2
5.0x2
4.2x2
4.0x2
4.0x2
18.2x2
30
Gross: 181
Your G- 2 measurement in your picture is off a bit, it originates from the main beam. It looks like you started at the Y Of the G-3
Post by: High Climber on February 07, 2025, 07:06:14 AM
Also, your inside spread measurement needs to be on the main beam, looks like yours might be on the g4s. When you add the extra length to your g2 measurement and subtract the extra on your spread your number will be dam near the same… but we might as well all speak the same language when talking numbers :tup:Never been good with my eyeballs.
2.5x2
13.5x2
10.5x2
13.6x2
5.0x2
4.2x2
4.0x2
4.0x2
18.2x2
30
Gross: 181
Your G- 2 measurement in your picture is off a bit, it originates from the main beam. It looks like you started at the Y Of the G-3
Post by: LDennis24 on February 07, 2025, 07:33:49 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 07, 2025, 07:45:05 AM
I liked Kirk’s comment, because I agree. I’d shoot his buck any day of the week over this one, though this one likely clobbers it in the score dept. There was that other poll where mass trumped all it seems. So add one inch of mass to this buck throughout. That would change this guys appearance and desirability a bunch, yet would only add 8 to the final scorecard. I think scoring is nice to kind of classify bucks, but in the end, I don’t care that much about that final number. Yet it’s funny how we always ask. :chuckle:
Post by: High Climber on February 07, 2025, 09:16:11 AM
Now you all know why I might have chosen this buck for a discussion piece on this forum. I wanted to demonstrate, how certain factors might drive a score, how easy it is to calculate or miscalculate those factors. Even for guys who do this a lot. I hope it was fun, and maybe some of us learned some stuff.I love content like this, it’s a valuable learning tool for someone like me trying to get better at field judging. I don’t “care” about score but I want to be as accurate as possible when looking at and discussing animals if score is part of the conversation.
I liked Kirk’s comment, because I agree. I’d shoot his buck any day of the week over this one, though this one likely clobbers it in the score dept. There was that other poll where mass trumped all it seems. So add one inch of mass to this buck throughout. That would change this guys appearance and desirability a bunch, yet would only add 8 to the final scorecard. I think scoring is nice to kind of classify bucks, but in the end, I don’t care that much about that final number. Yet it’s funny how we always ask. :chuckle:
Post by: chukardogs on February 07, 2025, 10:06:10 AM
Bone, since I'm pretty sure he wouldn't stand still and let me measure his ears, what general area are we talking about? Any Blacktail genes in this animal or is he far enough east that he's just a pure Rocky Mountain Mulie?
I look at the bucks head and think, maybe the ears are only 6 inches base to tip.
If his ears are each 6 inches and they're 8 inches apart, we're talking 20 inches tip to tip. If his ears are actually 7.5 to 8 inches like LDennis and I think, and his head is big enough to put the bases of those 8 inch ears, 8 inches apart, you're now looking at almost 24 inches tip to tip. That could put that outside spread near 30 inches and the inside spread at 26+.
All that said, if I have a gun in my hand, a tag in my pocket and I'm out hunting during any legal deer season, man-o-man that buck needs to be looking for new digs. I don't think I'd have it in me to say, "that's not quite what I'm looking for."
Post by: boneaddict on February 07, 2025, 10:30:35 AM
Post by: link on February 07, 2025, 03:12:33 PM
I enjoy this type of content as well. But, if you're looking at it as an educational tool, this one may not get you your answers you're looking for. There are guesses of score from 150 to 200. Thats crazy. I think the general census is he's somewhere between 170 and 185. You'd really need to do a "guess the score" on a deer with known measurements. It's a great buck, I'm pretty confident it's over 165 and under 180. Also, judging a single photo is not very accurate. There's a wide range of guesses, each thinking they're right :chuckle:Now you all know why I might have chosen this buck for a discussion piece on this forum. I wanted to demonstrate, how certain factors might drive a score, how easy it is to calculate or miscalculate those factors. Even for guys who do this a lot. I hope it was fun, and maybe some of us learned some stuff.I love content like this, it’s a valuable learning tool for someone like me trying to get better at field judging. I don’t “care” about score but I want to be as accurate as possible when looking at and discussing animals if score is part of the conversation.
I liked Kirk’s comment, because I agree. I’d shoot his buck any day of the week over this one, though this one likely clobbers it in the score dept. There was that other poll where mass trumped all it seems. So add one inch of mass to this buck throughout. That would change this guys appearance and desirability a bunch, yet would only add 8 to the final scorecard. I think scoring is nice to kind of classify bucks, but in the end, I don’t care that much about that final number. Yet it’s funny how we always ask. :chuckle:
Post by: andersonjk4 on February 07, 2025, 03:23:16 PM
Also, your inside spread measurement needs to be on the main beam, looks like yours might be on the g4s. When you add the extra length to your g2 measurement and subtract the extra on your spread your number will be dam near the same… but we might as well all speak the same language when talking numbers :tup:....
Your G- 2 measurement in your picture is off a bit, it originates from the main beam. It looks like you started at the Y Of the G-3
You're right. I'm not much of a mule deer guy and hardly ever look at scoring. I was making some assumptions based on memory.
I went back and fixed my numbers and came up with 187 gross. To Bone's point my estimates are based on a scale that assumes the tip to tip on the ears is 22". If I adjust that by 1" either way the total changes by 4.5%. 4.5% of 187" is 8", so a slight misjudgement in the body or head size or ear width can swing your estimates quite a bit. Fun exercise.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 07, 2025, 05:49:28 PM
Post by: link on February 07, 2025, 06:06:22 PM
Post by: blindluck on February 07, 2025, 06:15:33 PM
Post by: chukardogs on February 07, 2025, 06:24:21 PM
Just kidding. I have literally no idea how to judge a Mule deer. There would be no adding, subtracting or carrying the three going on before my safety got clicked to the off position and the trigger was squeezed.
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 07, 2025, 07:01:37 PM
Mass gives you little for score. Deep forks and 5 long tines is where true scores come from. Oh ya and those extra tines on nontypicals that make high scores easy.
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2025, 08:06:32 AM
Post by: The scout on February 08, 2025, 08:19:55 AM
Post by: Romulus on February 08, 2025, 08:30:16 AM
Thanks for posting....hope a shed is found to see where it hits.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 09, 2025, 06:36:08 AM
Its a beautiful buck that anyone/anytime/anywhere should be proud to shoot. If you're not, you may be hunting for all the wrong reasons. IMHO
Bone, any idea what's wrong with his snout/lip? Assuming fighting wound.
Post by: boneaddict on February 09, 2025, 07:13:01 AM
The only way I wouldn’t harvest this buck in Washington would be if I had a very specific buck I had seen and was targeting, or it would have to be a very special hunt. I guess that’s why I have a pile like him. :chuckle:
Post by: MtnMuley on February 09, 2025, 11:17:03 AM
What about the 20 or so that have it over 190? :chuckle:
Well, some people just tend to get a lil excited :chuckle: