Post by: bearpaw on March 02, 2025, 07:07:09 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/02/supreme-court-mexico-gun-makers-cartels-liable/80866397007/
Post by: greenhead_killer on March 02, 2025, 09:52:52 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 02, 2025, 10:00:07 AM
Post by: The scout on March 02, 2025, 11:17:07 AM
Ah yes, back to the spoon made me fat mindset.
:yeah: Go after car makers because some idiots drive drunk and kill somebody behind the wheel.
Post by: HntnFsh on March 02, 2025, 11:28:27 AM
Post by: Fidelk on March 02, 2025, 12:53:17 PM
Sounds like yet another task for Musk to mastermind.
Post by: Platensek-po on March 02, 2025, 06:07:47 PM
They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north! :bash:
Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2025, 12:20:27 AM
They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north! :bash:
Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either
apples and oranges
That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!
Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!
Post by: Platensek-po on March 03, 2025, 01:00:08 AM
So it’s illegal. Does that stop Americans from funding cartels by purchasing drugs from them? Are cartels forcing people to buy illegal drugs? Why does the US have such a large market for illegal drugs in the first place? Is it a cartels fault if a tweeker gets high and steals a generator to buy more drugs from a cartel? You can’t have supply without the demand.They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north! :bash:
Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either
apples and oranges
That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!
Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2025, 02:18:49 AM
So it’s illegal. Does that stop Americans from funding cartels by purchasing drugs from them? Are cartels forcing people to buy illegal drugs? Why does the US have such a large market for illegal drugs in the first place? Is it a cartels fault if a tweeker gets high and steals a generator to buy more drugs from a cartel? You can’t have supply without the demand.They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north! :bash:
Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either
apples and oranges
That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!
Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!
Absolutely, if we didn't have addicts in the US there wouldn't be much market for drugs. However, there wouldn't be as many addicts if illegal drugs weren't pouring into our country.
That doesn't change the comparison that guns are manufactured legally, with government oversight, and sold legally for legal use, and are only a tool that criminals sometimes choose to use illegally. Whereas drugs are manufactured illegally, without government oversight, sold illegally, and always used illegally.
Apples and oranges, the scenario is much different!
Post by: Fidelk on March 03, 2025, 07:38:50 AM
Mexican drug cartels create a demand for guns in Mexico that are illegal in Mexico.......guns made in the US get diverted illegally to Mexico. The crime occurs when guns are made in the US and illegally diverted to an illegal market in Mexico. A manufacturer may or may not be complicit in this crime.
Similar supply-demand process. But I think the main problem is the demand for drugs fueled by American addicts. If that demand went away, so would most of these problems.
Post by: EnglishSetter on March 03, 2025, 09:27:42 AM
Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this. The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.
Post by: zwickeyman on March 03, 2025, 10:23:27 AM
The "common theme" here is the cartels. Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish.
Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this. The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.
:yeah:BINGO!!
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 03, 2025, 10:36:19 AM
The "common theme" here is the cartels. Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish.
Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this. The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.
:yeah:BINGO!!
You'd need to handcuff half of the Mexican government first.
Post by: Fidelk on March 03, 2025, 12:56:50 PM
The "common theme" here is the cartels. Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish.
Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this. The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.
I don't think so. With an eternal pool of willing addicts here in the US which creates demand........even if you remove the cartels, another source will appear to supply the drugs and profit from this addiction.
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2025, 01:30:37 PM
Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other?
A manufacturer may or may not be complicit in this crime.
I thought I had seen it all!
Then I guess since cartels prefer to use pickup trucks, then pickup manufacturers must be complicit, since cartels use gasoline in those trucks then gas companies are complicit, since cartels use toilet paper to wipe their behind then paper companies are complicit, since liberals try to block addressing the source of drugs (cartels) then liberals must be complicit?
Post by: Fidelk on March 03, 2025, 02:36:47 PM
Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other?A manufacturer may or may not be complicit in this crime.
I thought I had seen it all!
Then I guess since cartels prefer to use pickup trucks, then pickup manufacturers must be complicit, since cartels use gasoline in those trucks then gas companies are complicit, since cartels use toilet paper to wipe their behind then paper companies are complicit, since liberals try to block addressing the source of drugs (cartels) then liberals must be complicit?
For my part, I said "may or may not"......it all comes down to intent. Did they manufacture those guns in numbers way beyond a reasonable expectation of American sales, knowing that a surplus could be trafficked in Mexico. Kind of like Big Pharma did with the opioid crisis that they created.....intentionally.
Quit blaming the liberals, they ain't organized to pull off or prevent these kinds of capers.
Post by: shotguunar on March 03, 2025, 07:50:56 PM
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Post by: ghosthunter on March 04, 2025, 07:28:47 PM
Seems if allowed it should be a two way street?
:dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on March 04, 2025, 08:38:38 PM
Post by: nwmein199 on March 05, 2025, 10:43:10 AM
Over half of Mexico's government and governing agency's are nothing more then Cartel members. Our Court's shouldn't be even entertaining these law suits.
Soon those Mexican government/cartel members can buy US citizenship for $5,000,000 and start suing as US citizens
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 05, 2025, 10:46:50 AM
Over half of Mexico's government and governing agency's are nothing more then Cartel members. Our Court's shouldn't be even entertaining these law suits.
Soon those Mexican government/cartel members can buy US citizenship for $5,000,000 and start suing as US citizens
So, you think that the $5M investment doesn't come with extensive background checks? Biden's gone, so that's not going to happen...and you know it. Why say something that's obviously false?