Post by: trophyhunt on March 26, 2025, 07:18:00 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 26, 2025, 07:37:15 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 26, 2025, 07:39:33 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 26, 2025, 07:44:17 PM
Breaking: Legislative Democrats just passed a 38% fee increase for both fishing and hunting licenses in the Senate (SB 5583). All Republicans voted NO.
People should not have to pay even more to enjoy the outdoors. SB 5583 now goes to the House. #waleg
Fish Hunt Northwest
Post by: MADMAX on March 26, 2025, 07:49:09 PM
Increased disco pass cost
And the hunt fish licenses increase
They’ll be plenty of money for new banners for pride month
You dem voters aren’t too swift
Post by: hughjorgan on March 26, 2025, 07:57:38 PM
Post by: baldopepper on March 26, 2025, 08:02:15 PM
Post by: kodiak06 on March 26, 2025, 08:50:04 PM
Buy your license and tags now so you can save a little money because we’re all going to get bent over when they increase property tax rates from 1 to 3 percent.
The tags aren't any cheaper now than they will be in late summer. The increase will be next year.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 26, 2025, 08:54:45 PM
Buy your license and tags now so you can save a little money because we’re all going to get bent over when they increase property tax rates from 1 to 3 percent.
The tags aren't any cheaper now than they will be in late summer. The increase will be next year.
More than likely will be adjusted with the biennium which starts July first….
Post by: actionshooter on March 26, 2025, 09:08:07 PM
Looks like the increases are about the same as the cost of two half racks of beer ( or 1 bottle of Jack Daniels) on the high end to about the cost of a pack of cigarettes on the low end. Compared to what I'm seeing in other states they're not outrageous. Not fair for me to comment much though as I'm over 70 and kinda like the decreases for we old fixed income sportsmen.While I am not opposed to added expense going toward conservation and good game management, I have no reason to believe the extra money will be well spent and not wasted by goverment.
Post by: baldopepper on March 26, 2025, 09:40:29 PM
Post by: BA Mongor on March 27, 2025, 03:38:31 AM
Every year in WA State it's the same thing, "we need more money" lets just raise taxes to fund whatever unneeded and ridiculous program it is. Here's a novel idea, how about we start cutting the massive waste we already have in place and reduce taxes! Pigs will fly before that ever happens. And for the beer drinkers out there, I know I wouldn't mind "a couple half racks" in my fridge instead of this increase.
Maybe we'll get lucky and DOGE will come to WA State, clean house and make WA State great again!
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2025, 05:59:16 AM
Guess I'm not ready to let cynicism control my life. Sad way to go thru life.I'll give you props for at least standing up for how you vote, at least that is what I'm reading here. So many democrats on here turn around and run when we confront them with the results of their votes.
But I think you are missing the point, Actionshooter nailed it, if our game were managed well and opportunities were getting better, I bet we'd all not mind paying a LITTLE more, but the truth is it's not. More money for mismanaged game and we have no idea where the money is going????
Post by: freshgrease on March 27, 2025, 06:50:41 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 27, 2025, 07:31:31 AM
Post by: MADMAX on March 27, 2025, 07:55:17 AM
For those against this increase, what's your counterpoint to the prices not adjusting for inflation nor being increased since 2011? Is wdfw's license funds supposed to be worth less each year?
I don’t mind paying it
I would like to see some better value for my money though.
Post by: Bob33 on March 27, 2025, 07:58:11 AM
:dunno:Buy your license and tags now so you can save a little money because we’re all going to get bent over when they increase property tax rates from 1 to 3 percent.
The tags aren't any cheaper now than they will be in late summer. The increase will be next year.
"Effective Date: The bill contains an emergency clause and takes effect on July 1, 2025."
Post by: birddogdad on March 27, 2025, 08:06:43 AM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 27, 2025, 08:16:46 AM
For those against this increase, what's your counterpoint to the prices not adjusting for inflation nor being increased since 2011? Is wdfw's license funds supposed to be worth less each year?
The increase was not requested by wdfw. It’s being mandated by the legislature.
Post by: Cougartail on March 27, 2025, 09:50:02 AM
My cougar areas closed 4 months earlier than the previous year because of the liberal loons that run this state. Pay 39% more for that? They can kiss my biomass eliminater.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2025, 10:11:22 AM
The product or service would need to be the same for inflation. Decline in fish, curtailment of predator hunting additional requirements for participation have changed the product/service.THIS!!!
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2025, 10:12:35 AM
If the value of what you are selling is crashing you don't get to adjust for inflation. Only government thinks like that because they are a monopoly in this situation.AND THIS
My cougar areas closed 4 months earlier than the previous year because of the liberal loons that run this state. Pay 39% more for that? They can kiss my biomass eliminater.
Post by: Twispriver on March 27, 2025, 11:10:07 AM
Post by: Fidelk on March 27, 2025, 11:22:14 AM
Maybe we'll get lucky and DOGE will come to WA State, clean house and make WA State great again!
Never gonna happen......by the time Musk reaches Oklahoma stopping every 100 miles to recharge his Tesla, he'll freak out and beat cheeks back to the White House.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 27, 2025, 11:27:54 AM
For those against this increase, what's your counterpoint to the prices not adjusting for inflation nor being increased since 2011? Is wdfw's license funds supposed to be worth less each year?If you don’t think it was cheaper in 2011 you’ve got your head in the clouds.
Post by: teal101 on March 27, 2025, 11:38:04 AM
For those against this increase, what's your counterpoint to the prices not adjusting for inflation nor being increased since 2011? Is wdfw's license funds supposed to be worth less each year?
Has your experience outdoors had any measurable increase in productivity, enjoyment, or opportunity since 2011?
The money goes to a slush fund and doesnt even return to the sportsman in any meaningful way. We are nothing but a taxable user group to feed their agendas and cover their outrageous spending. If the money was designated 100% for activities by the WDFW so that we as outdorrsman could see the fruit of our taxation, then sure I'm for an increase. If its to go pay for frivolous lawsuits by aggressive AG's toeing party lines, they can piss off.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 27, 2025, 11:59:46 AM
Post by: callturner on March 27, 2025, 12:04:50 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 27, 2025, 12:23:10 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/administration/budget/operating
Ya that's a hard NO for me,I don't support biodiversity,wolf recovery,ect,ect.
That caused me not to be able to hunt my cougar tag this winter.
Two words ....
Predator pit.
Post by: freshgrease on March 27, 2025, 12:41:48 PM
For those against this increase, what's your counterpoint to the prices not adjusting for inflation nor being increased since 2011? Is wdfw's license funds supposed to be worth less each year?If you don’t think it was cheaper in 2011 you’ve got your head in the clouds.
No, I do not. It was a cheaper price prior to 2011 when the last price increase occurred. We've been paying a fixed price for 14 years now unless I'm mistaken.
Our tags have been getting cheaper to buy every single year they didn't go up.
I don't claim to know where the money gets spent cause I don't. State general fund is for everybody right? I just think it's a weird hill to die on. Carry on with the criticism!
Also to Teal101 -- it totally has! :tung: although I can understand your frustration of not having the funds directed 100% to wdfw.
Post by: bobcat on March 27, 2025, 01:21:53 PM
For those against this increase, what's your counterpoint to the prices not adjusting for inflation nor being increased since 2011? Is wdfw's license funds supposed to be worth less each year?
Has your experience outdoors had any measurable increase in productivity, enjoyment, or opportunity since 2011?
The money goes to a slush fund and doesnt even return to the sportsman in any meaningful way. We are nothing but a taxable user group to feed their agendas and cover their outrageous spending. If the money was designated 100% for activities by the WDFW so that we as outdorrsman could see the fruit of our taxation, then sure I'm for an increase. If its to go pay for frivolous lawsuits by aggressive AG's toeing party lines, they can piss off.
I'm pretty sure 100% of the money does go to the WDFW.
Post by: blackdog on March 27, 2025, 01:55:58 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 27, 2025, 02:07:56 PM
Pretty good article
At least some of our reps have common sense...
The additional surcharge controlled by the commission is very dangerous.
Post by: 300rum on March 27, 2025, 02:14:25 PM
Post by: callturner on March 27, 2025, 02:57:16 PM
All the money goes to DFW by law. The problem is the legislature will simultaneously likely cut a similar amount from the department’s general fund appropriation.I think it goes to the General Fund and then is allocated to the different programs.
Post by: Cougartail on March 27, 2025, 03:24:30 PM
I no longer have any problem with someone hunting and fishing without a license. I’ll buy the tags, I’m blessed, I can afford it. There was a time though where my Dad and I (growing up) couldn’t hunt because it was too expensive or I would fish and he would watch. I have zero issue with it, I’ll even chip in some money if I hear about it.
I won't break the law but won't cooperate with them either. I also let my NWO License lapse. People would call me and say they couldn't get a response from other NWO's to problems. Well, good luck. I'm not doing their dirty work either..
I can easily afford it but young people with families can't. Maybe a $10,000 fine on all illegal aliens sucking up our resources would be a better way to raise revenue and give the citizens a break.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 27, 2025, 04:04:03 PM
I no longer have any problem with someone hunting and fishing without a license. I’ll buy the tags, I’m blessed, I can afford it. There was a time though where my Dad and I (growing up) couldn’t hunt because it was too expensive or I would fish and he would watch. I have zero issue with it, I’ll even chip in some money if I hear about it.
I won't break the law but won't cooperate with them either. I also let my NWO License lapse. People would call me and say they couldn't get a response from other NWO's to problems. Well, good luck. I'm not doing their dirty work either..
I can easily afford it but young people with families can't. Maybe a $10,000 fine on all illegal aliens sucking up our resources would be a better way to raise revenue and give the citizens a break.
Or, uh, just stop giving them resources in the first place and the budget goes a long way toward balanced. Or that super-effective homeless industrial complex.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 27, 2025, 04:56:55 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on March 27, 2025, 06:03:59 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 27, 2025, 06:38:07 PM
It’s now going to cost a guy an extra 22 dollars and some change for a big game combo tag. That amounts to about 1.60 over the span of 14 years. If that is going to break a guy or gal maybe you need to reevaluate life decisions? Inflation happens every year everyone will survive an increase in fees, prices never decrease on anything. Why waste the time even complaining about it?You must not have read the thread. One reason to complain is the product we are receiving doesn’t match the increase in price. When the state cares more about predators than deer and elk, when they’ll prob put the extra money into less bear, cougar and who knows what else less hunting, yeah, it chaps some butts.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 27, 2025, 07:09:05 PM
It’s now going to cost a guy an extra 22 dollars and some change for a big game combo tag. That amounts to about 1.60 over the span of 14 years. If that is going to break a guy or gal maybe you need to reevaluate life decisions? Inflation happens every year everyone will survive an increase in fees, prices never decrease on anything. Why waste the time even complaining about it?You must not have read the thread. One reason to complain is the product we are receiving doesn’t match the increase in price. When the state cares more about predators than deer and elk, when they’ll prob put the extra money into less bear, cougar and who knows what else less hunting, yeah, it chaps some butts.
I’ve read the whole thread from the beginning till now. The state is actually being responsible in adjusting prices IMO. What sense does it make to operate on a budget and fees that haven’t been adjusted for inflation in almost 15 years?
The WDFW hasn’t been the issue of late but seems to always take the blame when in reality it has been the commission which has been hijacked by anti hunters via Jay Inslee. And don’t forget the ban on baiting and hounding by initiative.
Most guys waste more than the price of the increase on their nicotine and caffeine addictions on a weekly basis.
Post by: hunter399 on March 27, 2025, 07:27:42 PM
I need that nicotine and caffeine,without I'm not a nice guy.It’s now going to cost a guy an extra 22 dollars and some change for a big game combo tag. That amounts to about 1.60 over the span of 14 years. If that is going to break a guy or gal maybe you need to reevaluate life decisions? Inflation happens every year everyone will survive an increase in fees, prices never decrease on anything. Why waste the time even complaining about it?You must not have read the thread. One reason to complain is the product we are receiving doesn’t match the increase in price. When the state cares more about predators than deer and elk, when they’ll prob put the extra money into less bear, cougar and who knows what else less hunting, yeah, it chaps some butts.
I’ve read the whole thread from the beginning till now. The state is actually being responsible in adjusting prices IMO. What sense does it make to operate on a budget and fees that haven’t been adjusted for inflation in almost 15 years?
The WDFW hasn’t been the issue of late but seems to always take the blame when in reality it has been the commission which has been hijacked by anti hunters via Jay Inslee. And don’t forget the ban on baiting and hounding by initiative.
Most guys waste more than the price of the increase on their nicotine and caffeine addictions on a weekly basis.
I've been giving Idaho my money for years for nicotine and caffeine....lol
Post by: hughjorgan on March 27, 2025, 07:28:58 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 27, 2025, 07:35:07 PM
Post by: blackdog on March 27, 2025, 07:59:01 PM
All the money goes to DFW by law. The problem is the legislature will simultaneously likely cut a similar amount from the department’s general fund appropriation.I think it goes to the General Fund and then is allocated to the different programs.
No it goes directly to DFW by the law folks or the State get the Federal Pittman Robertson dollars.
Post by: B4noon on March 27, 2025, 08:11:52 PM
Post by: baldopepper on March 27, 2025, 08:28:28 PM
Not a problem to keep up with inflation and have it cost a bit more to provide the same opportunity and service the problem is wdfw has increased by almost 800 employees since 2020 when funding was easy to grab they created a top heavy management level positions and “new work” that align with their new strategic plan those plans don’t generate funding and there’s no way to collect funding so now that funding is hard to come by they are choosing to fund the newly acquired work they created and oh by the not fund and close 6 fish hatcheries and the pheasant program while at the same time charging 38% more for less the are slowly drifting from the core functions of the agency and scrambling to continue to balance the books on the backs of the license buyers it’s the only user group they have to hit up
Can't seem to find those figures. Online shows 1800 employees in 2020 and 2000 now.
Post by: actionshooter on March 27, 2025, 08:33:30 PM
Guess I'm not ready to let cynicism control my life. Sad way to go thru life.
I'm not a cynical person at all, actually quite the opposite and I'll ignore the ignorant comment to keep the thread on topic.
As I was saying, when the price goes up while the quality and opportunity go down, I don't feel like spending more. If they spent the money wisely and with the hunting public in mind, I would be fine spending more. I just don't feel at this time the WDFW represents the sportsman.
Also, just because we are being charged more does not necessarily mean that the WDFW budget will increase...
Post by: hunter399 on March 27, 2025, 08:38:48 PM
Don't forget the special app fees increase proposal...What the...... That's crazy now!!!
Are you freaking kidding me, crazy kid tantrum now....lol
That will be next year I hope,since increase happens in July.
Post by: baldopepper on March 27, 2025, 08:57:48 PM
Guess I'm not ready to let cynicism control my life. Sad way to go thru life.
I'm not a cynical person at all, actually quite the opposite and I'll ignore the ignorant comment to keep the thread on topic.
As I was saying, when the price goes up while the quality and opportunity go down, I don't feel like spending more. If they spent the money wisely and with the hunting public in mind, I would be fine spending more. I just don't feel at this time the WDFW represents the sportsman.
Also, just because we are being charged more does not necessarily mean that the WDFW budget will increase...
Comment was not necessarily aimed at you, , I guess, more at the general cynicism that comes out on so many threads.. I realize that it's hard not to be a bit cynical these days as we watch opportunity and success diminish, guess I've just kinda learned what the kids call "it is what it is". I write letters, make calls etc., but feel like I'm just shouting into the wind. Washington is what it is, a state of 8 million with about 5% who really care what wdfw does unless it effects fishing. Guess I've just decided I want to spend the last sand in my hour glass not letting their policies rob me of my enjoyment of the outdoors. Went on my first hunting trip about 74 years ago. Seen lots of highs and lots of lows, just wanna go on few more without bad policy reminders haunting my day.
Post by: actionshooter on March 27, 2025, 09:25:14 PM
Guess I'm not ready to let cynicism control my life. Sad way to go thru life.
I'm not a cynical person at all, actually quite the opposite and I'll ignore the ignorant comment to keep the thread on topic.
As I was saying, when the price goes up while the quality and opportunity go down, I don't feel like spending more. If they spent the money wisely and with the hunting public in mind, I would be fine spending more. I just don't feel at this time the WDFW represents the sportsman.
Also, just because we are being charged more does not necessarily mean that the WDFW budget will increase...
Comment was not necessarily aimed at you, , I guess, more at the general cynicism that comes out on so many threads.. I realize that it's hard not to be a bit cynical these days as we watch opportunity and success diminish, guess I've just kinda learned what the kids call "it is what it is". I write letters, make calls etc., but feel like I'm just shouting into the wind. Washington is what it is, a state of 8 million with about 5% who really care what wdfw does unless it effects fishing. Guess I've just decided I want to spend the last sand in my hour glass not letting their policies rob me of my enjoyment of the outdoors. Went on my first hunting trip about 74 years ago. Seen lots of highs and lots of lows, just wanna go on few more without bad policy reminders haunting my day.
No worries, I understand that also, hunters are barely on the radar as far as the rest of the state is concerned, we are quickly losing any relevance we had in the past and I am frustrated also, my grandkids won't be able to experience what we have. At thew same time friends are leaving in hoards to AK, ID, WY and while it looks pretty good, that's not always the answer either.
Post by: hunter399 on March 27, 2025, 11:54:11 PM
There is no such thing as inflation.
Only the price someone is willing to pay..... 😂
Post by: whackmaster on March 28, 2025, 09:00:53 AM
Post by: dwils233 on March 28, 2025, 09:26:50 AM
Not a problem to keep up with inflation and have it cost a bit more to provide the same opportunity and service the problem is wdfw has increased by almost 800 employees since 2020 when funding was easy to grab they created a top heavy management level positions and “new work” that align with their new strategic plan those plans don’t generate funding and there’s no way to collect funding so now that funding is hard to come by they are choosing to fund the newly acquired work they created and oh by the not fund and close 6 fish hatcheries and the pheasant program while at the same time charging 38% more for less the are slowly drifting from the core functions of the agency and scrambling to continue to balance the books on the backs of the license buyers it’s the only user group they have to hit up
Funding was only "good" for about 2-4 years really. Look back at the cuts the department took during the last recession and you'll see it wasn't until around COVID where the funding from the state started to return to a level that supported most programs.
The budget outlook for this year sucks, regardless of the fee increase. No matter what WDFW is going to take quite a significant hit this year and get knocked back down.
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2025, 09:56:58 AM
Had a conversation with a friend that skipped last year hunting.
I was talking about tactics and up coming plans ect.
Then I mentioned price increases,the total mind set changed,he wasn't excited,and was unsure of his fall season plans.
Raising prices may work for few years and help budget short falls.
It definitely will hurt as a long term plan
Post by: hughjorgan on March 28, 2025, 10:06:08 AM
I do believe they should take a better look at "why" sales are down.
Had a conversation with a friend that skipped last year hunting.
I was talking about tactics and up coming plans ect.
Then I mentioned price increases,the total mind set changed,he wasn't excited,and was unsure of his fall season plans.
Raising prices may work for few years and help budget short falls.
It definitely will hurt as a long term plan
How many of these people complaining of the adjustment in prices have no problem shelling out thousands to hunt out of state?
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2025, 10:19:47 AM
I see your point ,might be a few that hunt out of state.I do believe they should take a better look at "why" sales are down.
Had a conversation with a friend that skipped last year hunting.
I was talking about tactics and up coming plans ect.
Then I mentioned price increases,the total mind set changed,he wasn't excited,and was unsure of his fall season plans.
Raising prices may work for few years and help budget short falls.
It definitely will hurt as a long term plan
How many of these people complaining of the adjustment in prices have no problem shelling out thousands to hunt out of state?
My friend,this conversation happened yesterday.
He was pretty excited about the upcoming coming season,till I mentioned price increases. Told him to think about it, buy before July,if he had plans to hunt. I don't believe he hunts out of state.
My father ,he flat out refusing to buy a license till he gets a senior discount. If I tell him anything about the commission,he gets pretty disappointed quickly. He recently retired a few years ago,he wants his senior discount.
Even five dollars off for seniors,might help sales.
Post by: timberfaller on March 28, 2025, 10:33:35 AM
They've bankrupted the State, believe raising Taxes while passing bill's that put people out of business, limit their ability's to purchase big ticket item's is the road to better times!! And its not just their attacks on the firearm dealers and sportsman. Everyone knows YOU can't spend more then you bring in! And YOU can't give away if you don't have extra $$$!
Post by: callturner on March 28, 2025, 10:51:28 AM
I see your point ,might be a few that hunt out of state.I do believe they should take a better look at "why" sales are down.Its not that they spend more money out of state, its what they get for that money. How many bird farms do we have left? How often do you see feel free to hunt signs anymore? A game warden in Montana told me once that it was cheaper to get a ticket in Montana than it was to buy a license in Wash. As our opportunities slowly get chipped away, more folks are looking elsewhere to hunt and fish.
Had a conversation with a friend that skipped last year hunting.
I was talking about tactics and up coming plans ect.
Then I mentioned price increases,the total mind set changed,he wasn't excited,and was unsure of his fall season plans.
Raising prices may work for few years and help budget short falls.
It definitely will hurt as a long term plan
How many of these people complaining of the adjustment in prices have no problem shelling out thousands to hunt out of state?
My friend,this conversation happened yesterday.
He was pretty excited about the upcoming coming season,till I mentioned price increases. Told him to think about it, buy before July,if he had plans to hunt. I don't believe he hunts out of state.
My father ,he flat out refusing to buy a license till he gets a senior discount. If I tell him anything about the commission,he gets pretty disappointed quickly. He recently retired a few years ago,he wants his senior discount.
Even five dollars off for seniors,might help sales.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 28, 2025, 11:05:23 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 28, 2025, 11:06:03 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on March 28, 2025, 11:08:51 AM
I will just go hunting and fishing with out a license make sure I'm fully ready to deal with the situation what ever it takes I'm at the age I just don't care anymore
Does dealing with that include potential seizure of firearms, tackle, vehicle or boat?
If WDFW still have that as an option for violations, seems like a very high and expensive risk.
Post by: freshgrease on March 28, 2025, 11:17:19 AM
I do believe they should take a better look at "why" sales are down.
Had a conversation with a friend that skipped last year hunting.
I was talking about tactics and up coming plans ect.
Then I mentioned price increases,the total mind set changed,he wasn't excited,and was unsure of his fall season plans.
Raising prices may work for few years and help budget short falls.
It definitely will hurt as a long term plan
I don't know a single person in my life that lets an extra $50ish/year stop them from their hobby. If your friend is that hungup you should spot him the dough to refresh his optimism.
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2025, 12:47:08 PM
I agree,everyone on this site,a lot of die hard hunters are not gonna stop over 50 bones.I do believe they should take a better look at "why" sales are down.
Had a conversation with a friend that skipped last year hunting.
I was talking about tactics and up coming plans ect.
Then I mentioned price increases,the total mind set changed,he wasn't excited,and was unsure of his fall season plans.
Raising prices may work for few years and help budget short falls.
It definitely will hurt as a long term plan
I don't know a single person in my life that lets an extra $50ish/year stop them from their hobby. If your friend is that hungup you should spot him the dough to refresh his optimism.
I was just stating that some folks that do hunt,but not every season. Might be turned off by it. I didn't even realize it till I was talking to him about it. I may buy my father a tag ....maybe.
My friend/co-worker ,he makes a similar wage as me.
So he'll have to figure that out on his own.
Juice Worth the squeeze stuff is his problem.
Post by: GWP on March 28, 2025, 12:57:49 PM
I tend to not feel very sorry for them any more, or be inclined to “help them out”.
Post by: Bone collector 13 on March 28, 2025, 03:08:59 PM
I have, for as long as I remember, observed and have heard folks complaining about the prices of everything, all while smoking, drinking, driving some absurd gas guzzler thry don’t need, wearing an expensive watch, using a $$$ phone along with a plan for it that equals a car payment, which they may also have.I’m willing to bet the cost isn’t the issue. Idaho is a great example, there seems to be no ceiling on what people will pay for opportunity. But in Wa what are we paying for? Terrible seasons, terrible draw odds, etc.
I tend to not feel very sorry for them any more, or be inclined to “help them out”.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 28, 2025, 03:18:08 PM
I have, for as long as I remember, observed and have heard folks complaining about the prices of everything, all while smoking, drinking, driving some absurd gas guzzler thry don’t need, wearing an expensive watch, using a $$$ phone along with a plan for it that equals a car payment, which they may also have.I’m willing to bet the cost isn’t the issue. Idaho is a great example, there seems to be no ceiling on what people will pay for opportunity. But in Wa what are we paying for? Terrible seasons, terrible draw odds, etc.
I tend to not feel very sorry for them any more, or be inclined to “help them out”.
:yeah: I am willing to pay whatever I feel is equivalent value and that is why I hunt out of state. I will pay more for a generally better overall experience
Post by: Cougartail on March 28, 2025, 03:44:47 PM
I have, for as long as I remember, observed and have heard folks complaining about the prices of everything, all while smoking, drinking, driving some absurd gas guzzler thry don’t need, wearing an expensive watch, using a $$$ phone along with a plan for it that equals a car payment, which they may also have.I’m willing to bet the cost isn’t the issue. Idaho is a great example, there seems to be no ceiling on what people will pay for opportunity. But in Wa what are we paying for? Terrible seasons, terrible draw odds, etc.
I tend to not feel very sorry for them any more, or be inclined to “help them out”.
:yeah: I am willing to pay whatever I feel is equivalent value and that is why I hunt out of state. I will pay more for a generally better overall experience
You my friend are a genius. Spend $500 on a camping trip where you take your rifle for a walk or $1500 and drive home with a deer/elk in the back of the truck.
Weird how everyone who heads out of state sends me pictures of dead animals?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 28, 2025, 03:54:49 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 28, 2025, 05:49:38 PM
you're paying for over the counter hunting. You don't have to participate in the draws to hunt every year.I have, for as long as I remember, observed and have heard folks complaining about the prices of everything, all while smoking, drinking, driving some absurd gas guzzler thry don’t need, wearing an expensive watch, using a $$$ phone along with a plan for it that equals a car payment, which they may also have.I’m willing to bet the cost isn’t the issue. Idaho is a great example, there seems to be no ceiling on what people will pay for opportunity. But in Wa what are we paying for? Terrible seasons, terrible draw odds, etc.
I tend to not feel very sorry for them any more, or be inclined to “help them out”.
Post by: actionshooter on March 28, 2025, 07:08:37 PM
I have, for as long as I remember, observed and have heard folks complaining about the prices of everything, all while smoking, drinking, driving some absurd gas guzzler thry don’t need, wearing an expensive watch, using a $$$ phone along with a plan for it that equals a car payment, which they may also have.I’m willing to bet the cost isn’t the issue. Idaho is a great example, there seems to be no ceiling on what people will pay for opportunity. But in Wa what are we paying for? Terrible seasons, terrible draw odds, etc.
I tend to not feel very sorry for them any more, or be inclined to “help them out”.
:yeah: I am willing to pay whatever I feel is equivalent value and that is why I hunt out of state. I will pay more for a generally better overall experience
Yep, the cost isn't the issue at all.... Karl is correct that you actually get a lot for the couple hundred bucks it costs, overall that seems like a good deal, and really it is. To me the problem is that at the rate we are loosing our hunting rights, I'll be lucky if I can deer hunt when I retire and along with that, they want to charge more for it.
Post by: elksnout on March 28, 2025, 08:25:39 PM
I’ve seen first hand what we’ve lost in Washington. And other states as well beings we also hunt other states each year. I’m retired and live on a fixed income so you guys do the math. I’ll keep at it though until I can no longer climb those mountains and do the hunt due justice.
To those who say they will become outlaws to some extent I would offer if you really want to hand that mentality to your children? We should all strive to set a good example whether it’s hunting or baseball. Life is all about choices. Choose well my friends. It’s my sincere wish that WE all continue to gather around those evening campfires and make memories to last a lifetime.
elksnout
Post by: MADMAX on March 28, 2025, 08:37:46 PM
The next Washington hunting license I purchase will be my fifty fifth consecutive license in this state. I’ve had and seen some good chit. A lifetime of memories. Hunted with my dad. Mentored my son and his best friend in hunting and both are the best partners I’ve had the pleasure to spend a camp with. How can I even put a price tag on that? Yes, I dislike any price increase no matter the item(s).
I’ve seen first hand what we’ve lost in Washington. And other states as well beings we also hunt other states each year. I’m retired and live on a fixed income so you guys do the math. I’ll keep at it though until I can no longer climb those mountains and do the hunt due justice.
To those who say they will become outlaws to some extent I would offer if you really want to hand that mentality to your children? We should all strive to set a good example whether it’s hunting or baseball. Life is all about choices. Choose well my friends. It’s my sincere wish that WE all continue to gather around those evening campfires and make memories to last a lifetime.
elksnout
You get it👍
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 28, 2025, 08:48:03 PM
The next Washington hunting license I purchase will be my fifty fifth consecutive license in this state. I’ve had and seen some good chit. A lifetime of memories. Hunted with my dad. Mentored my son and his best friend in hunting and both are the best partners I’ve had the pleasure to spend a camp with. How can I even put a price tag on that? Yes, I dislike any price increase no matter the item(s).Well said!
I’ve seen first hand what we’ve lost in Washington. And other states as well beings we also hunt other states each year. I’m retired and live on a fixed income so you guys do the math. I’ll keep at it though until I can no longer climb those mountains and do the hunt due justice.
To those who say they will become outlaws to some extent I would offer if you really want to hand that mentality to your children? We should all strive to set a good example whether it’s hunting or baseball. Life is all about choices. Choose well my friends. It’s my sincere wish that WE all continue to gather around those evening campfires and make memories to last a lifetime.
elksnout
And I personally hope you continue to go even after you can't do the hunt justice in your mind. Make your grandkids push your wheelchair back behind camp a ways with a thermos of coffee or just tend the fire and keep the coffee hot while you await the stories from the days hard chargers :tup:
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2025, 09:03:56 PM
I grew up less fortunate than most.
Bringing home a deer was almost mandatory.
Alot of guys are gonna slaughter any buck they can find , especially when the cost is higher .
I don't see it helping our deer herds one bit.
Post by: baldopepper on March 28, 2025, 09:28:35 PM
Not sure if anybody gave this some thought.
I grew up less fortunate than most.
Bringing home a deer was almost mandatory.
Alot of guys are gonna slaughter any buck they can find , especially when the cost is higher .
I don't see it helping our deer herds one bit.
Suspect the majority do that anyway. Doubt it will have much effect on that basis. Don't really think it'll make much difference on license sales
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2025, 10:00:16 PM
Probably true.Not sure if anybody gave this some thought.
I grew up less fortunate than most.
Bringing home a deer was almost mandatory.
Alot of guys are gonna slaughter any buck they can find , especially when the cost is higher .
I don't see it helping our deer herds one bit.
Suspect the majority do that anyway. Doubt it will have much effect on that basis. Don't really think it'll make much difference on license sales
I won't pass a legal deer now.
Can't say for anyone else.
Maybe hunting will be better,if sales dip down far enough.
I can dream that for now .
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 06:09:53 AM
To those who say they will become outlaws to some extent I would offer if you really want to hand that mentality to your children? We should all strive to set a good example whether it’s hunting or baseball. Life is all about choices. Choose well my friends. It’s my sincere wish that WE all continue to gather around those evening campfires and make memories to last a lifetime.
elksnout
I think most are blowing off steam or just FOS, but if they're gonna poach they need to be ready to pay the piper, especially with 10 bonus points floating around out there. There are hunters on this site that wanted the bait ban so if they find that bait, odds are they'll blow the whistle.
Post by: chukardogs on March 29, 2025, 09:36:22 AM
Yeah yeah, I understand there were times in this country where hunting and fishing were a way to get by, I was there. I grew up on the Wenatchee river in the 60s, when it teemed with steelhead and salmon. The area was overrun with deer and bear. My grandfather didn't know what a license was. We had freezers full of meat all year long and we were still in the field at daybreak.
The days of filling freezers from the field for less than buying the same amount in the store are over and have been for a long time. Unless you live right where you hunt and fish, just the license, tags and the cost of gas most likely puts you over the break even point, and that's only if you get an animal? Throw in everything else we as hunters and anglers spend money on and I think you'll see, it's just a passion for most of us.
I hunt and fish because I love to hunt and fish....... I've passed up far more animals than I've killed because I didn't want my season to be over. Thrown back fish because if I kept em, my day was over. If I was going to take a smaller animal than what I was looking for, it was going to be on the last day. I've said to many a buck, "go grow up and may we meet again."
After giving it some thought, I doubt the idea of getting my money's worth, has never crossed my mind while in the field.
As far as the quality of the product goes, there's no doubt that the hunters in this state get no consideration for the money they spend. I've thought many times, what would happen if the hunters and anglers just said enough, I'm not spending a dime this year and then I immediately think, wait, I want to go hunting and fishing this year. If I die tomorrow and don't actually go to my happy hunting ground, then last fall would have been the last time I went hunting.
Good luck out there!
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 29, 2025, 09:40:30 AM
Post by: hunter399 on March 29, 2025, 09:56:12 AM
Making "poachers" out of people,so you can pick up some ticket revenue is lamo.
Post by: follow maggie on March 29, 2025, 10:00:36 AM
Post by: bigtex on March 29, 2025, 07:45:10 PM
The right thing for WDFW to do ,is hand everyone a flyer with the current rule changes at licence purchases. Along with email everyone as well that held a license last year .The whole "ticket revenue" this is just BS. WDFW doesn't get a dime from infraction fines.
Making "poachers" out of people,so you can pick up some ticket revenue is lamo.
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Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2025, 09:49:46 AM
Sorry I was unaware, ignorant I suppose.The right thing for WDFW to do ,is hand everyone a flyer with the current rule changes at licence purchases. Along with email everyone as well that held a license last year .The whole "ticket revenue" this is just BS. WDFW doesn't get a dime from infraction fines.
Making "poachers" out of people,so you can pick up some ticket revenue is lamo.
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But informing before purchasing might not be a bad idea .
Does ticket revenue go to county,state,or what?
Trying to learn here.
If it goes to the state general funds,it kinda goes back to you eventually. Just not directly.
Post by: bigtex on March 30, 2025, 10:06:07 AM
Counties have to decide if they keep the fine money or if they want to receive payments in-ieu of taxes (PILT) for the WDFW lands in county. If they elect to take PILT then the fine money goes to the general fund. If they don't elect to take PILT then they keep the fine money in the county coffers.Sorry I was unaware, ignorant I suppose.The right thing for WDFW to do ,is hand everyone a flyer with the current rule changes at licence purchases. Along with email everyone as well that held a license last year .The whole "ticket revenue" this is just BS. WDFW doesn't get a dime from infraction fines.
Making "poachers" out of people,so you can pick up some ticket revenue is lamo.
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But informing before purchasing might not be a bad idea .
Does ticket revenue go to county,state,or what?
Trying to learn here.
If it goes to the state general funds,it kinda goes back to you eventually. Just not directly.
It varies a little but typically only about 10 counties (typically those with big WDFW land holdings on the eastside) elect to take PILT, the remaining all keep the fine money. There have also been times when the legislature authorizes in state law that counties who elect to take PILT also get to keep the fine money, this occurred most recently from 2015-19.
As for the fine money that counties do send to the general fund its not like if a WDFW Officer writes a $100 ticket that ticket then goes to the general fund and WDFW gets the $100. WDFWs share of the general fund decreases every year and is poised for a big general fund decrease this year and going forward.
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Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2025, 10:13:29 AM
Thank you for respondingCounties have to decide if they keep the fine money or if they want to receive payments in-ieu of taxes (PILT) for the WDFW lands in county. If they elect to take PILT then the fine money goes to the general fund. If they don't elect to take PILT then they keep the fine money in the county coffers.Sorry I was unaware, ignorant I suppose.The right thing for WDFW to do ,is hand everyone a flyer with the current rule changes at licence purchases. Along with email everyone as well that held a license last year .The whole "ticket revenue" this is just BS. WDFW doesn't get a dime from infraction fines.
Making "poachers" out of people,so you can pick up some ticket revenue is lamo.
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But informing before purchasing might not be a bad idea .
Does ticket revenue go to county,state,or what?
Trying to learn here.
If it goes to the state general funds,it kinda goes back to you eventually. Just not directly.
It varies a little but typically only about 10 counties (typically those with big WDFW land holdings on the eastside) elect to take PILT, the remaining all keep the fine money. There have also been times when the legislature authorizes in state law that counties who elect to take PILT also get to keep the fine money, this occurred most recently from 2015-19.
As for the fine money that counties do send to the general fund its not like if a WDFW Officer writes a $100 ticket that ticket then goes to the general fund and WDFW gets the $100. WDFWs share of the general fund decreases every year and is poised for a big general fund decrease this year and going forward.
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I'm always willing to learn.
Honestly,it should just go to WDFW, I see that's not the way it works.
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2025, 10:37:11 AM
Post by: actionshooter on March 30, 2025, 11:20:23 AM
In general I think guys are just tired of every time you turn around someone's got their hands in your pockets...And in WA that rarely equates to a positive return on investment.That's exactly where I'm coming from... I'll whine a little, but have already bought half my liscenses and applications for 2025.. :)
Post by: GeoSwan on March 31, 2025, 05:38:43 PM
Post by: Humptulips on March 31, 2025, 05:54:38 PM
Do we know if this will increase out of state tags too?It does. You can look up existing license fees here, https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.32&full=true#77.32.450
Proposed here, https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2025-26/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5583-S.pdf?q=20250331174524
Post by: wa.hunter on March 31, 2025, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: MADMAX on March 31, 2025, 07:08:43 PM
There have been over 635 new hires in the last few years in WDFW… almost all have been office people. Almost no game management is being done and what is called management is being done by predators. Mostly by the 4 legged ones.. a cougar was captured in the Ellensburg’s area a couple weeks ago and it was if you can believe this then released in The Robinson canyon elk feeding area. Another smart move by WDFW personnel..after 70 years of hunting in this state I am now done..there were some great years but they are now over..not only is it over regulated and so poorly managed I can not justify giving them another dime..
That’s what their banking on
Don’t ever quit bud
Post by: hughjorgan on March 31, 2025, 07:24:11 PM
There have been over 635 new hires in the last few years in WDFW… almost all have been office people. Almost no game management is being done and what is called management is being done by predators. Mostly by the 4 legged ones.. a cougar was captured in the Ellensburg’s area a couple weeks ago and it was if you can believe this then released in The Robinson canyon elk feeding area. Another smart move by WDFW personnel..after 70 years of hunting in this state I am now done..there were some great years but they are now over..not only is it over regulated and so poorly managed I can not justify giving them another dime..
That’s what their banking on
Don’t ever quit bud
What mad max said is 100 percent spot on. Stay in the fight!
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 08, 2025, 10:02:30 AM
There have been over 635 new hires in the last few years in WDFW… almost all have been office people. Almost no game management is being done and what is called management is being done by predators. Mostly by the 4 legged ones.. a cougar was captured in the Ellensburg’s area a couple weeks ago and it was if you can believe this then released in The Robinson canyon elk feeding area. Another smart move by WDFW personnel..after 70 years of hunting in this state I am now done..there were some great years but they are now over..not only is it over regulated and so poorly managed I can not justify giving them another dime..
That’s what their banking on
Don’t ever quit bud
Almost in the same place as wahunter but here is what pisses me off. Seniors get a actual discount starting July 1st, But for draws I must pay full Boat :kneel: :kneel: So it will ONLY be deer /elk at first with the rest in July!
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on May 08, 2025, 01:16:41 PM
Post by: freshgrease on May 08, 2025, 03:05:26 PM
Just got word a healthy 10% raise is coming to WDFW employees.... :yike: That's a big one, especially when they are putting in on the backs of sportsman?
Silver lining - That could be a nice thing for some positive incentives with new hires. The lack of pay ~2016 in wdfw was a big reason I found a different career path within ecology :twocents:
Post by: kodiak06 on May 09, 2025, 08:01:06 AM
There have been over 635 new hires in the last few years in WDFW… almost all have been office people. Almost no game management is being done and what is called management is being done by predators. Mostly by the 4 legged ones.. a cougar was captured in the Ellensburg’s area a couple weeks ago and it was if you can believe this then released in The Robinson canyon elk feeding area. Another smart move by WDFW personnel..after 70 years of hunting in this state I am now done..there were some great years but they are now over..not only is it over regulated and so poorly managed I can not justify giving them another dime..
That’s what their banking on
Don’t ever quit bud
Almost in the same place as wahunter but here is what pisses me off. Seniors get a actual discount starting July 1st, But for draws I must pay full Boat :kneel: :kneel: So it will ONLY be deer /elk at first with the rest in July!
Can't complain about a discount, it's not an entitlement. I'm in the same boat though...
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 09, 2025, 05:19:00 PM
Just got word a healthy 10% raise is coming to WDFW employees.... :yike: That's a big one, especially when they are putting it on the backs of sportsman?
Source?
Post by: B4noon on May 09, 2025, 05:34:47 PM
Just got word a healthy 10% raise is coming to WDFW employees.... :yike: That's a big one, especially when they are putting it on the backs of sportsman?
The 10% raise is not across the board for wdfw it’s only the hatchery labor union of roughly 180 employees it was brought on by OFM as a recruitment and retention tool do to the above mentioned of wages not being competitive enough to keep employees it along with the license fee increase we’re not wdfw requests rather OFM and the legislature
Post by: kodiak06 on May 10, 2025, 06:42:08 AM
:dunno:Buy your license and tags now so you can save a little money because we’re all going to get bent over when they increase property tax rates from 1 to 3 percent.
The tags aren't any cheaper now than they will be in late summer. The increase will be next year.
"Effective Date: The bill contains an emergency clause and takes effect on July 1, 2025."
These clowns are full money grab mode. Guess my son better hurry up lol. The individual I spoke with said it wouldn't affect '25 prices, guess I'll call that office again and see what answer I'm given again for chits and giggles. With nonresidents paying a high percentage of WDFW income, I think they're gonna be in for a surprise when there's a drop in hunters.
Post by: Moose Master on May 10, 2025, 08:23:38 PM
Here are some funding information about fish and game. Spending by sportsman and what the department gets also. License sales is always a source but not what most think
Post by: hughjorgan on May 11, 2025, 09:02:49 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/administration/budget/faq
Here are some funding information about fish and game. Spending by sportsman and what the department gets also. License sales is always a source but not what most think
The antis narrative is complete BS!
The Game Division’s biennial budget is approximately $11 million, sourced from various state and federal funds . 
In total, the WDFW’s Wildlife Program has an estimated biennial budget of $75.6 million, with actual expenditures totaling $68.6 million in the 2023–25 biennium . 
Therefore, the cost to manage game species at WDFW is approximately $75.6 million over two years, supporting a workforce of about 327 FTEs dedicated to wildlife management and conservation efforts.
The majority of WDFWs budget goes to paying its staff.
In licenses sold alone we generated 41.5 million in revenue and it only takes 38 million per year to operate the game division of WDFW. We also have an additional 8.3 million from PR Funds! So the newest operating budget for the ENTIRE WDFW is 823 million this bienium. Hunters are and can pay our way!
Post by: bigtex on May 11, 2025, 05:29:59 PM
Game division doesn't include enforcement, lands, licensing, and habitat programs.https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/administration/budget/faq
Here are some funding information about fish and game. Spending by sportsman and what the department gets also. License sales is always a source but not what most think
The antis narrative is complete BS!
The Game Division’s biennial budget is approximately $11 million, sourced from various state and federal funds . 
In total, the WDFW’s Wildlife Program has an estimated biennial budget of $75.6 million, with actual expenditures totaling $68.6 million in the 2023–25 biennium . 
Therefore, the cost to manage game species at WDFW is approximately $75.6 million over two years, supporting a workforce of about 327 FTEs dedicated to wildlife management and conservation efforts.
The majority of WDFWs budget goes to paying its staff.
In licenses sold alone we generated 41.5 million in revenue and it only takes 38 million per year to operate the game division of WDFW. We also have an additional 8.3 million from PR Funds! So the newest operating budget for the ENTIRE WDFW is 823 million this bienium. Hunters are and can pay our way!
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Post by: Moose Master on May 11, 2025, 07:13:01 PM
Game division doesn't include enforcement, lands, licensing, and habitat programs.https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/administration/budget/faq
Here are some funding information about fish and game. Spending by sportsman and what the department gets also. License sales is always a source but not what most think
The antis narrative is complete BS!
The Game Division’s biennial budget is approximately $11 million, sourced from various state and federal funds . 
In total, the WDFW’s Wildlife Program has an estimated biennial budget of $75.6 million, with actual expenditures totaling $68.6 million in the 2023–25 biennium . 
Therefore, the cost to manage game species at WDFW is approximately $75.6 million over two years, supporting a workforce of about 327 FTEs dedicated to wildlife management and conservation efforts.
The majority of WDFWs budget goes to paying its staff.
In licenses sold alone we generated 41.5 million in revenue and it only takes 38 million per year to operate the game division of WDFW. We also have an additional 8.3 million from PR Funds! So the newest operating budget for the ENTIRE WDFW is 823 million this bienium. Hunters are and can pay our way!
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Thanks for additional information.
Good luck with the upcoming draws
Post by: pat2bear on May 16, 2025, 08:21:11 AM
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on May 16, 2025, 09:52:10 AM
Over $300 bucks for hunting and fishing packages and tags and special hunt apps. Damn
Post by: Oldguy on May 16, 2025, 04:11:24 PM