Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 06:45:37 AM
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Post by: Twispriver on March 29, 2025, 08:48:52 AM
I'm guessing this will catch a lot of people by surprise - if I didn't follow HW i wouldn't know anything about this.
Post by: SEWA509 on March 29, 2025, 09:02:53 AM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on March 29, 2025, 09:04:27 AM
People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.
Shhhhhhhhhh
Post by: trophyhunt on March 29, 2025, 09:11:56 AM
When baiting is illegal aren't those that continue to hunt over bait poachers?I guess I don’t see a guy putting a salt block, alfalfa , or wet cob down as a poacher. I see stupid laws being passed in this state by left wing f tards, and when I feel it’s an over reach, I don’t just get in line or put on a stupid mask on because “they” said so.
I'm guessing this will catch a lot of people by surprise - if I didn't follow HW i wouldn't know anything about this.
Post by: hunter399 on March 29, 2025, 09:24:52 AM
Only advantage will be the rut.
Early archery I would think is a ,right place ,right time deal .
I've already heard talk about the private land sanctuary,that most guys will be looking hunt.
I don't really know,not a bow hunter.
I'm just taking a stab at it.
Post by: huntnnw on March 29, 2025, 09:27:47 AM
People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.:rolleyes:
Post by: Cylvertip on March 29, 2025, 09:32:17 AM
Haven't seen the new rules, but what if lures and scents are considered baiting too? Similar to bear?People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.:rolleyes:
Post by: benhuntin on March 29, 2025, 10:18:17 AM
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 29, 2025, 10:20:39 AM
Haven't seen the new rules, but what if lures and scents are considered baiting too? Similar to bear?People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.:rolleyes:
Any natural or synthetic scent that contain or derived from cervid urine or glandular based extracts are banned. To the hunters that say their pee doesn't bother the deer, spray away. Maybe the ladies will have better luck. :dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on March 29, 2025, 10:29:21 AM
I see plenty of monster whitetails without bait.
Post by: Ric0 on March 29, 2025, 10:45:25 AM
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 11:08:46 AM
Wonder if the scum that turn in bait sites will get points?? I’m not talking a truck load of bait, the simple couple arm loads of alfalfa or wet cob. Wardens could be chasing bait sites instead of poachers.
So an individual turning in a poacher is scum? LMAO... If you're baiting, you're poaching, no different than any other non-baiting states. Poaching is poaching and it's a sure bonus 10pts for someone lol. Do I think the decision was an overreach on the states part, yes.
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 11:09:33 AM
People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.
I get your point but, he does bait in NE WA...
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 11:11:57 AM
Haven't seen the new rules, but what if lures and scents are considered baiting too? Similar to bear?People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.:rolleyes:
Any natural or synthetic scent that contain or derived from cervid urine or glandular based extracts are banned. To the hunters that say their pee doesn't bother the deer, spray away. Maybe the ladies will have better luck. :dunno:
Most synthetics are free of those listed and not an issue.
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 11:12:37 AM
Are they going to allow disabled hunters to hunt over bait?
NO
Post by: Feathernfurr on March 29, 2025, 11:23:14 AM
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Post by: jrebel on March 29, 2025, 12:14:47 PM
If anything.....it is going to harm these deer during the winter when they benefit from supplemental feed. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on March 29, 2025, 12:23:10 PM
I’m gonna ruffle some feathers… If you need bait to kill whitetails with a bow, you’re a crappy bowhunter 😂Wow....lol
I'm not to offended,cause I don't bow hunt.
So I can't agree or disagree.
I've seen some giant,stud,masher bucks killed in late bow season over bait. They don't get posted to this site .
GIANT WT,some bigger than I've ever seen posted on here.
Post by: hunter399 on March 29, 2025, 12:30:10 PM
Asked him if was gonna change up to modern due to no bait possibly becoming a law. He pretty much said no,and would stick to private land and bait there.
This really only hurts public land hunting.
Post by: baldopepper on March 29, 2025, 12:34:34 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 29, 2025, 12:50:45 PM
Gotta say one thing I don't like about baiting.and feeding is that it makes life a little easier for predators. It's no coincidence that so many trail.cams set over bait get pictures of lions and other predators. They figure out fairly quickly those gathering areas.. Used to put out a little bird seed for quail around the yard, but had to keep dispatching the feral housecats that would hide waiting for the birds to gather. Don't think for a minute that the big predators don't figure that out just like the housecats.
I get just as many predators on camera off bait as I do on bait. Matter of fact, the only predator picture I have carrying a fawn away is no where near any bait. I hear what you are saying.....but anecdotally, I'm not sure I agree. Our predator problem is so robust....they don't need the help of bait to find critters to kill. I run a lot of cameras on private and public lands, all of them get predators (wolf, bear, cats).....most with no bait near (that I know of).
Post by: PsoasHunter on March 29, 2025, 01:03:57 PM
When baiting is illegal aren't those that continue to hunt over bait poachers?I guess I don’t see a guy putting a salt block, alfalfa , or wet cob down as a poacher. I see stupid laws being passed in this state by left wing f tards, and when I feel it’s an over reach, I don’t just get in line or put on a stupid mask on because “they” said so.
I'm guessing this will catch a lot of people by surprise - if I didn't follow HW i wouldn't know anything about this.
Great mindset, that's probably what market hunters thought when Roosevelt and Leopold were defining the current model of conservation. Bending the rules to your benefit is still poaching, even if you don't think it's a big deal.
Also, it's good to remember that science isn't political. Congregating animals leads to easier disease spread. This is pretty basic biology science. If you rant on another thread about how much WDFW mismanages our game and reduces opportunity, then it's pretty hypocritical and short sighted to bash them for trying to minimize the short and long term effects of CWD in our state. :twocents:
Post by: baldopepper on March 29, 2025, 01:04:45 PM
Gotta say one thing I don't like about baiting.and feeding is that it makes life a little easier for predators. It's no coincidence that so many trail.cams set over bait get pictures of lions and other predators. They figure out fairly quickly those gathering areas.. Used to put out a little bird seed for quail around the yard, but had to keep dispatching the feral housecats that would hide waiting for the birds to gather. Don't think for a minute that the big predators don't figure that out just like the housecats.
I get just as many predators on camera off bait as I do on bait. Matter of fact, the only predator picture I have carrying a fawn away is no where near any bait. I hear what you are saying.....but anecdotally, I'm not sure I agree. Our predator problem is so robust....they don't need the help of bait to find critters to kill. I run a lot of cameras on private and public lands, all of them get predators (wolf, bear, cats).....most with no bait near (that I know of).
I think predators are like sharks (and highway patrol) It's not the ones you see you gotta worry about. We've certainly got our share, but I know we're seeing more cats, both live and on trail cams,since my neighbor started heavily feeding the deer 4-5 years ago. The way they bunch up around his place in the winter especially has got to be too tempting for lions.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 29, 2025, 02:13:05 PM
and bait piles hunters use to kill deer? . If they think that deer only congregate by hunters food piles they need to look closer at alfalfa growers fields. I can see it now....No hunting with alfalfa bait within 1 mile of orchards, alfalfa fields, or other food plots......even for the owners of the property. Deer will still congregate on prime food sources.. Going to be a lot of SQUEARLERS. All owners of good hunting land will close their land to hunting to prevent being squealed on for having a pile of 5 apples next to their chicken coop.Did they do an Economic Study to see how this is going to effect the stores that sell cob and other deer products year round? I do think that is the law.At least it was when they did the 4 point or better restriction. No more money for hunting licenses from this family. I used to feed deer at my house. the only dead deer I have seen are the ones killed by cougars 25 to 150 yrds of my house . F "UM
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 02:21:01 PM
I was talking to a bow hunting friend the other day.
Asked him if was gonna change up to modern due to no bait possibly becoming a law. He pretty much said no,and would stick to private land and bait there.
This really only hurts public land hunting.
It's gonna hurt the pocket book of a guy hunting private land if he gets caught. Poaching is still poaching...
Unless they're clueless to whitetail hunting, they won't need bait.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 29, 2025, 02:26:41 PM
Post by: baldopepper on March 29, 2025, 02:31:45 PM
Will I get arrested for this?
LOL-you were one of the first ones I thought of when I read the new regs. Sounds like they may come knocking at your door.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 29, 2025, 02:48:09 PM
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 02:52:28 PM
Yeah, you are going to have to move your feeder too.... If you squeal on me and I squeal on you do we both get 10 points?..... I just feed turkey anyway. I have a wildlife camera so I can get pics of the toms and other critters..
:chuckle:
Post by: baldopepper on March 29, 2025, 02:57:54 PM
Yeah, you are going to have to move your feeder too.... If you squeal on me and I squeal on you do we both get 10 points?..... I just feed turkey anyway. I have a wildlife camera so I can get pics of the toms and other critters..
I won't squeal. Local bear took umbrage on my feeder and tore it up. So guess I won't be replacing.
Post by: SEWA509 on March 29, 2025, 03:08:53 PM
Haven't seen the new rules, but what if lures and scents are considered baiting too? Similar to bear?People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.:rolleyes:
Any natural or synthetic scent that contain or derived from cervid urine or glandular based extracts are banned. To the hunters that say their pee doesn't bother the deer, spray away. Maybe the ladies will have better luck. :dunno:
Most synthetics are free of those listed and not an issue.
Buck fever synthetics say, "no animal urine, feces or secretions."
Also hunting around scrapes and learning how deer in your area use them along with the terrain is only going to make you a better hunter IMO.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 29, 2025, 03:26:46 PM
yeah, in my opinion, if some snowflake, mask wearing, covid shot getting, falling in line pu$$y, calls someone in for putting a few flakes of alfalfa out is scum. Just my opinion. I hate poachers as much as most people, can’t stand them, but when commie, antis start passing stupid laws, I’ll just decide to mind my own business when I see some alfalfa on the ground.Wonder if the scum that turn in bait sites will get points?? I’m not talking a truck load of bait, the simple couple arm loads of alfalfa or wet cob. Wardens could be chasing bait sites instead of poachers.
So an individual turning in a poacher is scum? LMAO... If you're baiting, you're poaching, no different than any other non-baiting states. Poaching is poaching and it's a sure bonus 10pts for someone lol. Do I think the decision was an overreach on the states part, yes.
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 03:44:30 PM
yeah, in my opinion, if some snowflake, mask wearing, covid shot getting, falling in line pu$$y, calls someone in for putting a few flakes of alfalfa out is scum. Just my opinion. I hate poachers as much as most people, can’t stand them, but when commie, antis start passing stupid laws, I’ll just decide to mind my own business when I see some alfalfa on the ground.Wonder if the scum that turn in bait sites will get points?? I’m not talking a truck load of bait, the simple couple arm loads of alfalfa or wet cob. Wardens could be chasing bait sites instead of poachers.
So an individual turning in a poacher is scum? LMAO... If you're baiting, you're poaching, no different than any other non-baiting states. Poaching is poaching and it's a sure bonus 10pts for someone lol. Do I think the decision was an overreach on the states part, yes.
LOL, it's POACHING no matter how you look at it. Hopefully someone don't earn 10 points off you. What you fail to realize is that guys in this forum actually voted against baiting, not just antis...
Post by: Feathernfurr on March 29, 2025, 03:52:12 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 29, 2025, 05:01:40 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on March 29, 2025, 05:06:16 PM
" How do you eat an Elephant? 1 bite at a time "
Post by: trophyhunt on March 29, 2025, 05:07:22 PM
Im not putting anything in any ones mouth. Bottom line is whether you use bait or not, or agree with baiting or not. Its complete BS that Washington just pulled one more thing away from hunters.nailed it!!
" How do you eat an Elephant? 1 bite at a time "
Post by: jackelope on March 29, 2025, 05:57:16 PM
People who are impacted by the baiting ban need to look into Troy Pottenger and his methods. Dude kills magnum bucks in NE Washington and N. Idaho with scrape set ups and has talked about it on dozens of podcasts.
Basically how whitetail hunters hunt back East.
Post by: erronulvin on March 29, 2025, 06:49:47 PM
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on March 29, 2025, 07:00:52 PM
RW
Post by: baldopepper on March 29, 2025, 07:18:35 PM
I mainly run bait for river bottom mulies to see what bucks are in the area, most of the time they rub velvet and chose a new location, prior to thus bait ban my family and I bought property up out of springdale and was planning on getting a food plot made for future use. So my question is does this bait ban make it so we can't make food plots deer and turkeys?
I believe it exempts food plots from the ban. Suspect they might be watching for small plots that are actually being baited. Guess that's a problem in some states that allow plots but not baiting.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 29, 2025, 07:20:11 PM
yeah, in my opinion, if some snowflake, mask wearing, covid shot getting, falling in line pu$$y, calls someone in for putting a few flakes of alfalfa out is scum. Just my opinion. I hate poachers as much as most people, can’t stand them, but when commie, antis start passing stupid laws, I’ll just decide to mind my own business when I see some alfalfa on the ground.Wonder if the scum that turn in bait sites will get points?? I’m not talking a truck load of bait, the simple couple arm loads of alfalfa or wet cob. Wardens could be chasing bait sites instead of poachers.
So an individual turning in a poacher is scum? LMAO... If you're baiting, you're poaching, no different than any other non-baiting states. Poaching is poaching and it's a sure bonus 10pts for someone lol. Do I think the decision was an overreach on the states part, yes.
LOL, it's POACHING no matter how you look at it. Hopefully someone don't earn 10 points off you. What you fail to realize is that guys in this forum actually voted against baiting, not just antis...
You do realize the state just told hunters we can’t feed deer or elk because of CWD but these f tards are going to continue to feed thousands of elk all winter long and not even blink an eye. They’ve been trying to ban baiting for a while now; all the discovery of CWD did was give them an excuse. If they were truly believing that feeding is detrimental then they would include feeding stations in the new WAC!
Post by: Bunny Thumper on March 29, 2025, 07:31:04 PM
At my property there are not enough deer left to congregate. I get more pictures of things that eat deer than deer ( bears, cougars, coyotes). Controlling predators would go a lot farther towards healthy ungulate populations than outlawing feeding wildlife.
Post by: jasnt on March 29, 2025, 08:25:56 PM
This is going to hurt new hunters, youth hunters, disabled hunters. Going to make it really tough for that old vet in the wheelchair to have an opportunity to harvest a deer. I don’t bait anymore. My food plots bring more animals than baiting ever did. But what baiting can do is help hold an animal in a place so a new hunter of disabled hunter can get a good shot. I will always support baiting for those that don’t have the experience or ability to actually get out and hunt. Pretty disappointed in many of you for not supporting those folks that can’t do it like you do. Can’t count how many times this conversation has been talked about here. We need to support each other’s rights or slowly we will lose our ways too
The world is bigger than just you and your way of hunting
Post by: trophyhunt on March 29, 2025, 08:34:07 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 29, 2025, 08:59:48 PM
Great last couple posts !
:yeah:
Post by: Birdguy on March 29, 2025, 09:20:30 PM
I will definitely miss not putting out the feed and seeing what is there while we are not. It will not impact our hunting these days, but I do think the premise of this ban has NOTHING to do with science or the spread of CWD. Reality is it will be all over just like wolves before too long and that too will change things. We are certainly on the tail end of hunting in our state. With the price tag for the "privilege" of taking a deer of our property I may not be hunting much longer anyway. It will literally become a camping and shooting trip each fall. Maybe I'll start just going in November and watching the rut around the place. As previously mentioned just another "take" from our community.
Good news is turkey season is coming fast!
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 09:22:23 PM
yeah, in my opinion, if some snowflake, mask wearing, covid shot getting, falling in line pu$$y, calls someone in for putting a few flakes of alfalfa out is scum. Just my opinion. I hate poachers as much as most people, can’t stand them, but when commie, antis start passing stupid laws, I’ll just decide to mind my own business when I see some alfalfa on the ground.Wonder if the scum that turn in bait sites will get points?? I’m not talking a truck load of bait, the simple couple arm loads of alfalfa or wet cob. Wardens could be chasing bait sites instead of poachers.
So an individual turning in a poacher is scum? LMAO... If you're baiting, you're poaching, no different than any other non-baiting states. Poaching is poaching and it's a sure bonus 10pts for someone lol. Do I think the decision was an overreach on the states part, yes.
LOL, it's POACHING no matter how you look at it. Hopefully someone don't earn 10 points off you. What you fail to realize is that guys in this forum actually voted against baiting, not just antis...
You do realize the state just told hunters we can’t feed deer or elk because of CWD but these f tards are going to continue to feed thousands of elk all winter long and not even blink an eye. They’ve been trying to ban baiting for a while now; all the discovery of CWD did was give them an excuse. If they were truly believing that feeding is detrimental then they would include feeding stations in the new WAC!
LOL, That has nothing to do with the fact it is POACHING lol. And if you read everything proposed by WDFW, winter feeding is also part of the discussion.
Post by: kodiak06 on March 29, 2025, 09:26:35 PM
Seems like a knee jerk reaction to me with the amount of cwd we have seen here.
This is going to hurt new hunters, youth hunters, disabled hunters. Going to make it really tough for that old vet in the wheelchair to have an opportunity to harvest a deer. I don’t bait anymore. My food plots bring more animals than baiting ever did. But what baiting can do is help hold an animal in a place so a new hunter of disabled hunter can get a good shot. I will always support baiting for those that don’t have the experience or ability to actually get out and hunt. Pretty disappointed in many of you for not supporting those folks that can’t do it like you do. Can’t count how many times this conversation has been talked about here. We need to support each other’s rights or slowly we will lose our ways too
The world is bigger than just you and your way of hunting
I know of a few "hunters" using their real names in the public comments supporting the ban. It's sad but, hunters against hunters is a no win. A section of the proposal was actually written with false information and luckily pointed out in emails and public comments.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 29, 2025, 09:35:44 PM
yeah, in my opinion, if some snowflake, mask wearing, covid shot getting, falling in line pu$$y, calls someone in for putting a few flakes of alfalfa out is scum. Just my opinion. I hate poachers as much as most people, can’t stand them, but when commie, antis start passing stupid laws, I’ll just decide to mind my own business when I see some alfalfa on the ground.Wonder if the scum that turn in bait sites will get points?? I’m not talking a truck load of bait, the simple couple arm loads of alfalfa or wet cob. Wardens could be chasing bait sites instead of poachers.
So an individual turning in a poacher is scum? LMAO... If you're baiting, you're poaching, no different than any other non-baiting states. Poaching is poaching and it's a sure bonus 10pts for someone lol. Do I think the decision was an overreach on the states part, yes.
LOL, it's POACHING no matter how you look at it. Hopefully someone don't earn 10 points off you. What you fail to realize is that guys in this forum actually voted against baiting, not just antis...
You do realize the state just told hunters we can’t feed deer or elk because of CWD but these f tards are going to continue to feed thousands of elk all winter long and not even blink an eye. They’ve been trying to ban baiting for a while now; all the discovery of CWD did was give them an excuse. If they were truly believing that feeding is detrimental then they would include feeding stations in the new WAC!
LOL, That has nothing to do with the fact it is POACHING lol. And if you read everything proposed by WDFW, winter feeding is also part of the discussion.
There is a reason they feed the elk and have miles upon miles of elk fence. It isn’t because the elk need the food. If you can’t see the writing on the wall if they don’t feed the elk the only option is to drastically reduce one of the most prized elk herds in the state.
Post by: LDennis24 on March 31, 2025, 03:32:47 PM
https://wyofile.com/paying-ranchers-to-host-elk-novel-approach-could-help-wean-wyoming-off-its-feedground-habit/
Post by: dilleytech on March 31, 2025, 06:40:43 PM
I haven’t seen yet. Does this include salt blocks?
Post by: jasnt on March 31, 2025, 07:12:50 PM
Yesterday people who bait are just normal hunters. Today they are poachers lol. I gave up on baiting years ago. Bears just eat anything I put out for deer and deer don’t care about alfalfa.Yes minerals are included
I haven’t seen yet. Does this include salt blocks?
Post by: lewy on April 01, 2025, 03:48:40 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 01, 2025, 04:26:31 PM
Yesterday people who bait are just normal hunters. Today they are poachers lol. I gave up on baiting years ago. Bears just eat anything I put out for deer and deer don’t care about alfalfa.Exactly, hunter yesterday, poacher today and that's why I called the guys looking for baits to call the wdfw police scum.
I haven’t seen yet. Does this include salt blocks?
Post by: tracksoup on April 01, 2025, 04:49:32 PM
Im with you.
Post by: lewy on April 01, 2025, 05:24:52 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 01, 2025, 05:36:32 PM
Post by: lewy on April 01, 2025, 06:15:41 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 01, 2025, 06:20:34 PM
Don’t blame ya. We are always losing opportunity and paying more. From sh!tty management of predators to worse seasons. Doesn’t help that our “group” doesn’t stick together, this thread even shows it. People forget it’s not all about just them and will screw their fellow sportsman100%!
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 01, 2025, 06:57:21 PM
The thing that kills me is......the deer are still going to eat in their family groups. Whitetail especially all eat the same feed, regardless of bait or natural forage. We have 5-6 groups of does / fawns that all eat live in the same area. The eat off the same bushes, grasses, ect. You can watch one group eat and walk off....just to see another group in that same area eating and drinking out of the same exact spot. This isn't going to stop the spread of anything in my humble opinion, but is otherwise one more controlling factor WDFW and the Commission have on hunters.and who is going to tell the 1000 elk that will mingle together on the winter range to stay spread out. Or the herds of 30-400 running around during hunting season to stay in groups of 10 or less 😂. These people are idiots. And watch the chaos when they want to cut the herd objective in half and quit feeding. Probably let the sharp shooters and Indians kill then in the feed stations that winter they decide to
If anything.....it is going to harm these deer during the winter when they benefit from supplemental feed. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on April 01, 2025, 08:13:53 PM
Bow hunting the end game , should be the title of the law.
Practice the long shot I guess. :dunno:
Post by: dilleytech on April 01, 2025, 08:25:05 PM
Yesterday people who bait are just normal hunters. Today they are poachers lol. I gave up on baiting years ago. Bears just eat anything I put out for deer and deer don’t care about alfalfa.Yes minerals are included
I haven’t seen yet. Does this include salt blocks?
Well I’m definitely not going to continue doing that in blacktail country. I can’t stand those horrible poachers.
Post by: huntnnw on April 02, 2025, 02:49:25 AM
The thing that kills me is......the deer are still going to eat in their family groups. Whitetail especially all eat the same feed, regardless of bait or natural forage. We have 5-6 groups of does / fawns that all eat live in the same area. The eat off the same bushes, grasses, ect. You can watch one group eat and walk off....just to see another group in that same area eating and drinking out of the same exact spot. This isn't going to stop the spread of anything in my humble opinion, but is otherwise one more controlling factor WDFW and the Commission have on hunters.and who is going to tell the 1000 elk that will mingle together on the winter range to stay spread out. Or the herds of 30-400 running around during hunting season to stay in groups of 10 or less 😂. These people are idiots. And watch the chaos when they want to cut the herd objective in half and quit feeding. Probably let the sharp shooters and Indians kill then in the feed stations that winter they decide to
If anything.....it is going to harm these deer during the winter when they benefit from supplemental feed. :dunno: :dunno:
baiting or no baiting will change exactly nothing with cwd going forward its going to do what its going to do. Deer and elk are very sociable animals. They going to go and cut down the several hundred thousand fruit trees that dot the landscape in E WA? you ever just watched how deer eat apples ? I do as I have 5 within 100 yards of my house that I watch all summer and fall as a group of 6-9 does come in together and eat the apples they dont just eat 1 apple to completion they will chew to get a chunk off and drop it and move to another then another deer will grab that apple and do the same thing. This is happening all over the place by the thousands. What about pumpkin patches , other vegetable crops where deer gnaw on these things to only have another deer and another etc eat off the same thing.Corn fields are another as I have corn down the road from me and it gets hammered with deer and elk all chewing on the same corn cob till its gone. What about ranchers and livestock owners and their hay piles ? I have alfalfa stacked at my house and the deer pound it every fall and winter. Up to 15-20 deer chewing on the same bales. Deer use licking branches 365 days a year to communicate and its not just a rut thing. ranchers salt blocks all over the mountains in grazing allotments. I will bet in the next 10 years ehd will kill more deer than cwd by 50X
Post by: kodiak06 on April 02, 2025, 06:00:53 AM
:tup:The thing that kills me is......the deer are still going to eat in their family groups. Whitetail especially all eat the same feed, regardless of bait or natural forage. We have 5-6 groups of does / fawns that all eat live in the same area. The eat off the same bushes, grasses, ect. You can watch one group eat and walk off....just to see another group in that same area eating and drinking out of the same exact spot. This isn't going to stop the spread of anything in my humble opinion, but is otherwise one more controlling factor WDFW and the Commission have on hunters.and who is going to tell the 1000 elk that will mingle together on the winter range to stay spread out. Or the herds of 30-400 running around during hunting season to stay in groups of 10 or less 😂. These people are idiots. And watch the chaos when they want to cut the herd objective in half and quit feeding. Probably let the sharp shooters and Indians kill then in the feed stations that winter they decide to
If anything.....it is going to harm these deer during the winter when they benefit from supplemental feed. :dunno: :dunno:
baiting or no baiting will change exactly nothing with cwd going forward its going to do what its going to do. Deer and elk are very sociable animals. They going to go and cut down the several hundred thousand fruit trees that dot the landscape in E WA? you ever just watched how deer eat apples ? I do as I have 5 within 100 yards of my house that I watch all summer and fall as a group of 6-9 does come in together and eat the apples they dont just eat 1 apple to completion they will chew to get a chunk off and drop it and move to another then another deer will grab that apple and do the same thing. This is happening all over the place by the thousands. What about pumpkin patches , other vegetable crops where deer gnaw on these things to only have another deer and another etc eat off the same thing.Corn fields are another as I have corn down the road from me and it gets hammered with deer and elk all chewing on the same corn cob till its gone. What about ranchers and livestock owners and their hay piles ? I have alfalfa stacked at my house and the deer pound it every fall and winter. Up to 15-20 deer chewing on the same bales. Deer use licking branches 365 days a year to communicate and its not just a rut thing. ranchers salt blocks all over the mountains in grazing allotments. I will bet in the next 10 years ehd will kill more deer than cwd by 50X
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2025, 06:54:35 AM
👍👍👍:tup:The thing that kills me is......the deer are still going to eat in their family groups. Whitetail especially all eat the same feed, regardless of bait or natural forage. We have 5-6 groups of does / fawns that all eat live in the same area. The eat off the same bushes, grasses, ect. You can watch one group eat and walk off....just to see another group in that same area eating and drinking out of the same exact spot. This isn't going to stop the spread of anything in my humble opinion, but is otherwise one more controlling factor WDFW and the Commission have on hunters.and who is going to tell the 1000 elk that will mingle together on the winter range to stay spread out. Or the herds of 30-400 running around during hunting season to stay in groups of 10 or less 😂. These people are idiots. And watch the chaos when they want to cut the herd objective in half and quit feeding. Probably let the sharp shooters and Indians kill then in the feed stations that winter they decide to
If anything.....it is going to harm these deer during the winter when they benefit from supplemental feed. :dunno: :dunno:
baiting or no baiting will change exactly nothing with cwd going forward its going to do what its going to do. Deer and elk are very sociable animals. They going to go and cut down the several hundred thousand fruit trees that dot the landscape in E WA? you ever just watched how deer eat apples ? I do as I have 5 within 100 yards of my house that I watch all summer and fall as a group of 6-9 does come in together and eat the apples they dont just eat 1 apple to completion they will chew to get a chunk off and drop it and move to another then another deer will grab that apple and do the same thing. This is happening all over the place by the thousands. What about pumpkin patches , other vegetable crops where deer gnaw on these things to only have another deer and another etc eat off the same thing.Corn fields are another as I have corn down the road from me and it gets hammered with deer and elk all chewing on the same corn cob till its gone. What about ranchers and livestock owners and their hay piles ? I have alfalfa stacked at my house and the deer pound it every fall and winter. Up to 15-20 deer chewing on the same bales. Deer use licking branches 365 days a year to communicate and its not just a rut thing. ranchers salt blocks all over the mountains in grazing allotments. I will bet in the next 10 years ehd will kill more deer than cwd by 50X
WDFW would rather have the deer starved, deprived of mineral/supplement feeding going into CWD.
Definitely pro/cons to supplement feeding.
One bad winter without supplements,plus CWD ,Our deer will hurting. I'd rather keep deer that don't get CWD as healthy as possible. Just my opinion,I don't believe that the bait ban will help anything. Above posts I agree with.
It's been a few easy winters past few seasons ,a bad one is gonna hit eventually.
Bow hunting.....
I can't imagine setting up a tree stand,just overall doing all that hard work . Then sitting there for hours and hours praying that some random buck wanders through. I even have a pile of trail cams that I have no use for now. Trail cams just don't seem fun ,if I can't put a bait down. Just ruined it for everyone. I was even gonna give bow hunting a try,changed my mind on that.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 02, 2025, 10:23:47 AM
Don’t blame ya. We are always losing opportunity and paying more. From sh!tty management of predators to worse seasons. Doesn’t help that our “group” doesn’t stick together, this thread even shows it. People forget it’s not all about just them and will screw their fellow sportsman
This is what bothers me the most. "Divided we fall."
I'm too old, too tired, too late to move to greener pastures if they are greener, too bullheaded to quit. Figure I'm vested at this point, I will continue sitting for hours/days for weeks waiting for whatever comes by. Is a picture, or a basket full of wax or wooden fruit bait?
Post by: LDennis24 on April 02, 2025, 10:34:05 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 02, 2025, 10:46:01 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2025, 11:13:33 AM
Everybody calm down. This is going to work out perfectly. In a few years CWD will be gone and we will have a booming population of deer just like all the other states with CWD that don't allow baiting etc. They found deer with CWD but since they don't allow baiting the CWD didn't spread. The commission knows what it's doing.
Ohh ya freaking shamwow I swear.
Bait restrictions will be lifted in no time!!!
Lol ....... 😂
What pisses me the most,is mandatory testing should apply to all NE units. CWD Spread map should be completed,before statewide restrictions apply.
We want to make laws ,turn all you guys into poachers.
But hay let's skip out on the testing,another shamwow.
Only thing they want to do to "stop the spread" is the one thing that doesn't cost a dime. If you make CWD a BIG deal,then it's gonna come with a big cost. That is testing and figuring out the hot spots .
Our spread map is what 4 or five dots.
SWAMWOW across the board .
Post by: dreamingbig on April 02, 2025, 01:36:01 PM
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Post by: Feathernfurr on April 02, 2025, 03:30:01 PM
Post by: jasnt on April 02, 2025, 06:02:42 PM
Post by: MADMAX on April 02, 2025, 06:21:49 PM
Man I can understand yalls frustration over lost opportunity or the idea that banning bait won’t have an impact on cwd. But if you think hunting is ruined because you can’t bait, then you just aren’t that passionate or you’re not willing to out in work. I guarantee i’ve spent more time in a treestand than most here, never once have I thought I was sitting around praying it would work out. I’ve seen and shot way more animals from a stand on a regular basis hunting funnels and trails to natural feed sources, hunting edges of known bedding areas, etc. bait is not the only way to kill animals, and it is absolutely the lowest hanging fruit in terms of methods. I can understand the sentiment that it’s for kids and handicap folks, but I still know plenty of those folks killing animals not over bait. This is one of the last states holding out on baiting, and definitely the last state you can bait elk. Washington is behind the times on this law and I promise you that there’s plenty of people out there passing on woodsmanship and the true craft of hunting and bait is not in that playbook.
Been hunting for most of my adult life except my military time
Never once hunted over bait
Done fine
But I do enjoy putting out a block and game cam in my yard
Sadly that’s over
I don’t shoot yard deer either
Post by: bhawley76 on April 03, 2025, 06:14:56 AM
Post by: huntnnw on April 03, 2025, 06:54:29 AM
Man I can understand yalls frustration over lost opportunity or the idea that banning bait won’t have an impact on cwd. But if you think hunting is ruined because you can’t bait, then you just aren’t that passionate or you’re not willing to out in work. I guarantee i’ve spent more time in a treestand than most here, never once have I thought I was sitting around praying it would work out. I’ve seen and shot way more animals from a stand on a regular basis hunting funnels and trails to natural feed sources, hunting edges of known bedding areas, etc. bait is not the only way to kill animals, and it is absolutely the lowest hanging fruit in terms of methods. I can understand the sentiment that it’s for kids and handicap folks, but I still know plenty of those folks killing animals not over bait. This is one of the last states holding out on baiting, and definitely the last state you can bait elk. Washington is behind the times on this law and I promise you that there’s plenty of people out there passing on woodsmanship and the true craft of hunting and bait is not in that playbook.
Been hunting for most of my adult life except my military time
Never once hunted over bait
Done fine
But I do enjoy putting out a block and game cam in my yard
Sadly that’s over
I don’t shoot yard deer either
over for you and not the thousands of people who dont hunt and will continue to feed deer
Post by: hunter399 on April 03, 2025, 08:09:05 AM
This is sounding like 2 weeks to shorten the curve bsLol.....lol... 😂
Post by: hunter399 on April 03, 2025, 08:16:32 AM
Im not gonna say , I've never hunted over bait.Man I can understand yalls frustration over lost opportunity or the idea that banning bait won’t have an impact on cwd. But if you think hunting is ruined because you can’t bait, then you just aren’t that passionate or you’re not willing to out in work. I guarantee i’ve spent more time in a treestand than most here, never once have I thought I was sitting around praying it would work out. I’ve seen and shot way more animals from a stand on a regular basis hunting funnels and trails to natural feed sources, hunting edges of known bedding areas, etc. bait is not the only way to kill animals, and it is absolutely the lowest hanging fruit in terms of methods. I can understand the sentiment that it’s for kids and handicap folks, but I still know plenty of those folks killing animals not over bait. This is one of the last states holding out on baiting, and definitely the last state you can bait elk. Washington is behind the times on this law and I promise you that there’s plenty of people out there passing on woodsmanship and the true craft of hunting and bait is not in that playbook.
Been hunting for most of my adult life except my military time
Never once hunted over bait
Done fine
But I do enjoy putting out a block and game cam in my yard
Sadly that’s over
I don’t shoot yard deer either
over for you and not the thousands of people who dont hunt and will continue to feed deer
Biggest tool in the tool box to scout out new spots. When I did hunt near a bait spot,it was just to do a rattling setup for an hour or so.
I can't just sit there all day, everyone has a method behind the madness. I'm sure I'll survive without bait spots.
Post by: Henrydog on April 03, 2025, 08:31:13 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 03, 2025, 09:27:20 AM
I can see it now, people selling wet cob or Alf alfa in the Andersons parking lot after hours like crack. :chuckle:Old Wally world/wallfart....... I mean Walmart will still have a pallet of corn . Right in your teeth,front and center in the hunting section.
This fall season will be like leaving the bar at closing time,one kernal of corn and your done.....busted .
Post by: hughjorgan on April 03, 2025, 09:46:42 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 03, 2025, 10:03:23 AM
I know you guys are just looking at the loss of being able to bait whitetails but the bigger implication is going to be supplemental feeding of our elk in central Washington. They are going to have to stop feeding the Yakima herd and doing so the WDFW is going to have to significantly reduce the size of that herd. They already said they are looking at doing just that. Tell me that makes sense when the only cases we’ve found are in the NE corner of our state. Would CWD if it ever is found in our elk herds kill more elk than what they would have to reduce that herd if they stop feeding them?They feed those elk to reduce property damage. The same concept for whitetail as well. There is a lot of supplement feeding in the NE from hunter and non-hunters that have benefited this state resources. Has helped keep hunting alive here, sustainable population in the NE. Even though we have CWD here,the benefits from feeding out weigh the disease. Deer/elk are social animals,they will feed together whatever that food source is..
I was watching an elk herd just the other day ,that had five whitetail mixed in with the herd. They will be together and spread CWD regardless of food sources.
I really don't believe they will stop feeding at the feed station.
It's just bad public relations , something they feel needs to be discussed. They already exempted themselves from the law,to be able to feed those elk . They did that for a reason,they are just waiting for the smoke to clear out.
My opinion bait bans or reducing the elk herd will not stop CWD.
So might as well feed them. It's not right to slaughter half of a elk herd for a few positive cases . Just like it isn't right for a statewide bait ban ,we have GMU for a reason. That's so special rules can be applied to different areas.
Post by: Mtnwalker on April 03, 2025, 10:13:43 AM
I know you guys are just looking at the loss of being able to bait whitetails but the bigger implication is going to be supplemental feeding of our elk in central Washington. They are going to have to stop feeding the Yakima herd and doing so the WDFW is going to have to significantly reduce the size of that herd. They already said they are looking at doing just that. Tell me that makes sense when the only cases we’ve found are in the NE corner of our state. Would CWD if it ever is found in our elk herds kill more elk than what they would have to reduce that herd if they stop feeding them?
Good thing they're already issuing tags as if the herd was 1/4 of what it actually is I guess :chuckle: in all seriousness, they won't stop feeding they've already exempted themselves. And elk are still thriving in CWD hot zones all over the west so I doubt it will have that significant of an impact on numbers when it does show up in this part of the state.
Post by: MeepDog on April 03, 2025, 10:28:58 AM
Post by: OutHouse on April 04, 2025, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: kodiak06 on April 04, 2025, 03:07:09 PM
I enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
All baiting is ILLEGAL no matter the reason
Post by: LDennis24 on April 04, 2025, 05:58:43 PM
Post by: Rigby416 on April 04, 2025, 10:11:24 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 05, 2025, 01:43:15 AM
Baiting is illegal, disposing of unwanted alfalfa and old grain contaminated with bugs or moisture on your own property is not. :tup:That's what I keep hearing from other folks.
Picked up one apple tree the other day,kinda spending my salt money on fruit tree.
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 05, 2025, 02:37:08 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on April 05, 2025, 05:37:02 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on April 05, 2025, 07:43:42 AM
Post by: BLDtraLR on April 05, 2025, 10:05:14 AM
Just screwed the bowhunters . :bash: :bash: I see no difference in brood population.
Now this. Let's just take all the FUN away from bowhunting.
I only hunt over bait on 1 spot because i can not because i'm told not to. Made things FUN.
I did put apples out in front of cams because IT WAS FUN.
Like was said there is a reason we have GMU's restrict it where it was found and out lying area's for starters then see where it goes. Statewide band is just stupid :bash: :bash:
THESE PEOPLE RUNNING THIS SHOW ARE IDIOTS.
I sure hope i don't drop an apple or a rice krispie treat out of my pack on accident anywhere next to my cams :dunno: OR shoot at a deer 5 miles in and there just happens to be a grouse standing under him and a miss judge the yardage and shoot low on sept 1ST :dunno: :yike: :yike: :hello:
I'm NOT A POACHER but i still like to have FUN
GOOD JOB FUN WRECKERS :bash:
Post by: OutHouse on April 07, 2025, 10:19:43 AM
I enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
All baiting is ILLEGAL no matter the reason
Thanks for the update. Well, I can still get lots of pics but I will have to place the cameras more strategically.
Post by: TeacherMan on April 07, 2025, 01:26:35 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 07, 2025, 10:15:17 PM
I enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
then there wasnt a bruiser buck in the vicinity of your sites. I call a bruiser is 160 plus and I couldnt even begin to count all the bucks Ive gotten on cam. Then to multiply that by all my friends who are diehard whitetail guys and I could post hundreds of big buck photos at salt or bait.
Post by: hunter399 on April 08, 2025, 01:58:53 AM
I agreeI enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
then there wasnt a bruiser buck in the vicinity of your sites. I call a bruiser is 160 plus and I couldnt even begin to count all the bucks Ive gotten on cam. Then to multiply that by all my friends who are diehard whitetail guys and I could post hundreds of big buck photos at salt or bait.
Always a few decent WT out there.
Not only was trail cams fun and exciting.
Kinda my off season exercise,excuses to get out and explore.
It's a real bummer on the bait ban.
I'll still try and setup a few cams ,minus the bait.
Nothing like it was before the ban,I'll be using a lot of info I got last year going forward.
Post by: teal101 on April 09, 2025, 01:35:50 PM
Baiting is illegal, disposing of unwanted alfalfa and old grain contaminated with bugs or moisture on your own property is not. :tup:
$10 says its going to read similar to the Gamebird regs and pretty much anything short of the grain naturally falling off the plant will be considered baiting.
https://www.eregulations.com/washington/hunting/game-bird/game-bird-baiting-regulations
Post by: OutHouse on April 09, 2025, 02:33:27 PM
I enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
then there wasnt a bruiser buck in the vicinity of your sites. I call a bruiser is 160 plus and I couldnt even begin to count all the bucks Ive gotten on cam. Then to multiply that by all my friends who are diehard whitetail guys and I could post hundreds of big buck photos at salt or bait.
I am not so sure about that as applied to the area I hunt. I cam a quarter mile up the mountain would have really nice bucks, many like the ones you kill, but they don't seem to come down to the bait. :dunno:
Post by: huntnnw on April 09, 2025, 10:11:15 PM
I enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
then there wasnt a bruiser buck in the vicinity of your sites. I call a bruiser is 160 plus and I couldnt even begin to count all the bucks Ive gotten on cam. Then to multiply that by all my friends who are diehard whitetail guys and I could post hundreds of big buck photos at salt or bait.
I am not so sure about that as applied to the area I hunt. I cam a quarter mile up the mountain would have really nice bucks, many like the ones you kill, but they don't seem to come down to the bait. :dunno:
another thing with mature bucks is 200 yards could make all the difference in cam pics or none. People think you just dump something and whamo a huge whitetail just strolls in. In 30 plus years of hunting whitetails and what I call big bucks I have yet to kill or hunt a giant in the same area ever. The rarity of a 160 + buck in this region is hard to find and you gotta cover alot of ground to turn 1 up. I have access to some primo private ground 1k acres. In 10 years with extensive glassing, cams and hunting 1 buck in that time frame woulda grossed around 160 or so and that buck was last year. Every year there is 140-150 buck around,but its that next level that really is a needle in a haystack
Post by: TeacherMan on April 10, 2025, 06:16:35 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2025, 06:38:57 AM
Post by: Bob33 on April 10, 2025, 06:42:31 AM
Post by: Ironhead on April 10, 2025, 06:54:15 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 10, 2025, 07:46:17 AM
There are also going to be a lot less successful Mule Deer archers as well. It seems like half of the archers in the Sinlahekin are camped out on bait in a ground blind these days.
There's still deer in the Sinlahekin? :dunno: Man, the herds we used to see 55 years ago. :'(
Post by: hunter399 on April 10, 2025, 08:20:42 AM
There are also going to be a lot less successful Mule Deer archers as well. It seems like half of the archers in the Sinlahekin are camped out on bait in a ground blind these days.It's gonna affect a lot of peeps across all weapon tags.
Between the camera thieves including people stealing salt blocks.
Now they can turn you in,collect points.
State bait ban .
Guy like me that finds a lot of bait sites each year.
What can I do,but turn people in. I'm not allowed to bait any more.
Guess it will be a free for all, People trying to bait.
Hunters turning in hunters.
Yet at the end of the day,the state exempts themselves.
No fun.
A joke that nobody is laughing about.
Post by: Ironhead on April 10, 2025, 08:56:49 AM
There are also going to be a lot less successful Mule Deer archers as well. It seems like half of the archers in the Sinlahekin are camped out on bait in a ground blind these days.
Yet at the end of the day,the state exempts themselves.
No fun.
A joke that nobody is laughing about.
The Ole (Do as I say and not as I do) goverment over reach!
Post by: hunter399 on April 10, 2025, 09:08:56 AM
That's just one case I have.
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 10, 2025, 09:12:44 AM
What do I do with these now.
That's just one case I have.
You and everyone else. But there might be a market for earrings for the wife. :chuckle:
Post by: greenhead_killer on April 10, 2025, 09:45:36 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on April 10, 2025, 12:24:56 PM
What do I do with these now.
That's just one case I have.
Scents are still legal
Post by: kodiak06 on April 10, 2025, 02:32:04 PM
What do I do with these now.
That's just one case I have.
Scents are still legal
Synthetic ONLY
Post by: vandeman17 on April 10, 2025, 02:39:28 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 10, 2025, 07:36:52 PM
Just frustrated,pulled another cam recently.
Left no bait,no cam .
Basically a lot of my spots have been seen by someone.
Where I've had people on camera and bait there in the past.
So I'm pulling all my cams and starting over,too many peeps are point hungry. Even though I'm done baiting,I don't want to be associated with any of my old bait spots.
I have no choice,but to pull my junk.
Looking into the game trail stuff .
Post by: Feathernfurr on April 10, 2025, 08:27:17 PM
Post by: OutHouse on April 11, 2025, 08:36:22 AM
I enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
then there wasnt a bruiser buck in the vicinity of your sites. I call a bruiser is 160 plus and I couldnt even begin to count all the bucks Ive gotten on cam. Then to multiply that by all my friends who are diehard whitetail guys and I could post hundreds of big buck photos at salt or bait.
I am not so sure about that as applied to the area I hunt. I cam a quarter mile up the mountain would have really nice bucks, many like the ones you kill, but they don't seem to come down to the bait. :dunno:
another thing with mature bucks is 200 yards could make all the difference in cam pics or none. People think you just dump something and whamo a huge whitetail just strolls in. In 30 plus years of hunting whitetails and what I call big bucks I have yet to kill or hunt a giant in the same area ever. The rarity of a 160 + buck in this region is hard to find and you gotta cover alot of ground to turn 1 up. I have access to some primo private ground 1k acres. In 10 years with extensive glassing, cams and hunting 1 buck in that time frame woulda grossed around 160 or so and that buck was last year. Every year there is 140-150 buck around,but its that next level that really is a needle in a haystack
That's really interesting. And it makes sense because one year we found a buck that was really nice and it appeared to us that his core area was actually a thicket in between two other core areas that smaller bucks used. We only found out about him by cutting through his area because we were in a hurry to get back but we would always bypass his area because it was hard to get through. Seeing the size of his bed compared to others was pretty cool too.
Post by: hunter399 on April 11, 2025, 08:46:43 AM
Camera location,using different attractant for different seasons was always my go to. :dunno:I enjoyed getting pictures of deer by putting out salt and/or bait. However, I've never seen a bruiser whitetail near a bait site. It sounds to me that the CWD excuse is a subterfuge for another agenda. So is bait per se illegal regardless of intent? What if you are baiting solely to get pictures? Is that off the table or only if it is related to hunting?
then there wasnt a bruiser buck in the vicinity of your sites. I call a bruiser is 160 plus and I couldnt even begin to count all the bucks Ive gotten on cam. Then to multiply that by all my friends who are diehard whitetail guys and I could post hundreds of big buck photos at salt or bait.
I am not so sure about that as applied to the area I hunt. I cam a quarter mile up the mountain would have really nice bucks, many like the ones you kill, but they don't seem to come down to the bait. :dunno:
another thing with mature bucks is 200 yards could make all the difference in cam pics or none. People think you just dump something and whamo a huge whitetail just strolls in. In 30 plus years of hunting whitetails and what I call big bucks I have yet to kill or hunt a giant in the same area ever. The rarity of a 160 + buck in this region is hard to find and you gotta cover alot of ground to turn 1 up. I have access to some primo private ground 1k acres. In 10 years with extensive glassing, cams and hunting 1 buck in that time frame woulda grossed around 160 or so and that buck was last year. Every year there is 140-150 buck around,but its that next level that really is a needle in a haystack
That's really interesting. And it makes sense because one year we found a buck that was really nice and it appeared to us that his core area was actually a thicket in between two other core areas that smaller bucks used. We only found out about him by cutting through his area because we were in a hurry to get back but we would always bypass his area because it was hard to get through. Seeing the size of his bed compared to others was pretty cool too.
It makes a difference.
I had many spots,that a big buck would only show up a few times a year for the whole year. So my cam location was definitely not his core area. But the attractant was enough to make him show at least a few times.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 11, 2025, 01:03:56 PM
Post by: kodiak06 on April 11, 2025, 03:01:04 PM
My meadow and alfalfa food plot should be good. Going to start looking for something I can plant in the fall for extra spring growth. And something that might grow amongst the fir trees I'm finishing thinning. Left a few cameras out over the winter. Didn't have any big bucks show last year, and I can't wait to see what I have for predators on camera.
Growing bedding and browse areas would hold more deer than a plot depending on acreage. That's especially true if it's in an area covered in snow.
Post by: hunter399 on April 11, 2025, 07:44:22 PM
My meadow and alfalfa food plot should be good. Going to start looking for something I can plant in the fall for extra spring growth. And something that might grow amongst the fir trees I'm finishing thinning. Left a few cameras out over the winter. Didn't have any big bucks show last year, and I can't wait to see what I have for predators on camera.Hoping that the food plots thing works for you all.👍🤞
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 11, 2025, 08:07:43 PM
There are approximately 220,000 turnip seeds to a pound. Even if half of them grow you should have more than you need.
Post by: hunter399 on April 11, 2025, 08:26:01 PM
That's a lot of work,Every Archery hunter I've talked too.
Had no plans of changing weapons .
Post by: jasnt on April 12, 2025, 09:31:11 AM
Post by: kodiak06 on April 12, 2025, 09:48:45 AM
I stopped using bait last year when I noticed my target bucks wouldn’t approach the corn
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No cover was the first problem, guessing pressure next.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 12, 2025, 10:18:03 AM
Hunting tactics will change some, but archery will still be my main focus. Too old to use climbing stands, I can still climb a ladder to the platform stands. Fresh snow can be quiet but only for a brief moment. It's generally announcing your presence to the world in my neck of the woods. Might have to stack on the cold weather gear because I love hunting the late seasons.
Post by: jasnt on April 12, 2025, 10:42:08 AM
I stopped using bait last year when I noticed my target bucks wouldn’t approach the corn🤣 you see a tiny glimpse of my setup and assume wrong.
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No cover was the first problem, guessing pressure next.
Post by: kodiak06 on April 13, 2025, 06:50:17 AM
I stopped using bait last year when I noticed my target bucks wouldn’t approach the corn🤣 you see a tiny glimpse of my setup and assume wrong.
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No cover was the first problem, guessing pressure next.
LOL, whatever, mature bucks are all over the internet including this forum in NE WA standing in bait pile, some only corn... Maybe pick a better photo when ya try to get a point across and no one will assume.
Post by: hunter399 on April 13, 2025, 08:32:05 AM
I always figured the trace mineral salt helped out in the spring.
I'd been more happy with a ban just during the season.
September - December.
I feel more of a need to bait in the spring vs the fall.
I don't need to hunt over it,I want to do my part. Help the herd .
Little pre-season scouting.
So that's the bummer for me.
Always loved those fawn pics,deer putting on that healthy buck skin coat quick after winter.
Couple of my recipes for deer attractant. I was thinking of bagging it and selling it. That thought ended quickly.
I was gonna bag it in gallon ziplock and sell it.
That dream is gone.
Post by: jasnt on April 13, 2025, 12:24:29 PM
for the record I’m 100% against the bait ban. I stopped using it because I realized it wasn’t helping me with my goals. I’d still prefer to be able to supplement the deer with feed and minerals for heard health. It’s of my opinion that cwd has always been here and always will be. We only “found“ because we tested for it.I stopped using bait last year when I noticed my target bucks wouldn’t approach the corn🤣 you see a tiny glimpse of my setup and assume wrong.
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No cover was the first problem, guessing pressure next.
LOL, whatever, mature bucks are all over the internet including this forum in NE WA standing in bait pile, some only corn... Maybe pick a better photo when ya try to get a point across and no one will assume.
It’s been my experience that yes mature bucks will hit bait in the dark. Rarely in shooting light
Post by: finnman on April 15, 2025, 03:49:25 PM
Post by: kodiak06 on April 15, 2025, 04:08:50 PM
When ranchers graze on public land don’t they use mineral blocks for their cattle? What is preventing you from hunting it? What would they say if you added to the cattle blocks? What if you dropped your own mineral blocks for cattle? After all cows lives matter too.
Dropping mineral for cattle that isn't yours and hunting is obviously baiting lol. There's nothing preventing you from hunting a cattle mans mineral, just read the regs... By the time OCt-DEC rolls around, the minerals not as efficient.
Post by: finnman on May 16, 2025, 10:06:17 PM
I do honestly believe that the animals on and near my parcel are very very undisturbed. I don’t know if there is really anyone hunting them? Perhaps one land owner to the east but I don’t think anyone else up there is hunting. There is also some fresh thinning being done now on 3 of the neighboring parcels. This no doubt will draw in some feeding activity.
I will stick it out on my trails and see how it goes this summer.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 17, 2025, 06:48:41 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on May 17, 2025, 10:17:19 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 17, 2025, 11:08:11 AM
When will you be back to check on the brassicas? Might all be consumed as they emerge, many tiny and big critters eat them. Thanks for the report!!
Had to look that one up. Didn't put much out 1/3 of each seed packet at most on a 10 x 10 patch. Plan on going back 2nd week in June or so. Would be surprised if any got to mature stage, maybe camera will show the culprits. Thought about throwing a bigger selection on garden plot I tilled that same day, but didn't have the time.
Post by: kodiak06 on May 18, 2025, 09:52:27 AM
When will you be back to check on the brassicas? Might all be consumed as they emerge, many tiny and big critters eat them. Thanks for the report!!
Had to look that one up. Didn't put much out 1/3 of each seed packet at most on a 10 x 10 patch. Plan on going back 2nd week in June or so. Would be surprised if any got to mature stage, maybe camera will show the culprits. Thought about throwing a bigger selection on garden plot I tilled that same day, but didn't have the time.
10x10 is pretty much a waste of time. It may get eaten but won't be a destination food source.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 18, 2025, 11:47:24 AM
When will you be back to check on the brassicas? Might all be consumed as they emerge, many tiny and big critters eat them. Thanks for the report!!
Had to look that one up. Didn't put much out 1/3 of each seed packet at most on a 10 x 10 patch. Plan on going back 2nd week in June or so. Would be surprised if any got to mature stage, maybe camera will show the culprits. Thought about throwing a bigger selection on garden plot I tilled that same day, but didn't have the time.
10x10 is pretty much a waste of time. It may get eaten but won't be a destination food source.
Had to have something. Better than weeds right? And it's right on the edge of the alfalfa. Nothing like a little dessert to wrap up a meal.
Post by: kodiak06 on May 18, 2025, 05:04:08 PM
When will you be back to check on the brassicas? Might all be consumed as they emerge, many tiny and big critters eat them. Thanks for the report!!
Had to look that one up. Didn't put much out 1/3 of each seed packet at most on a 10 x 10 patch. Plan on going back 2nd week in June or so. Would be surprised if any got to mature stage, maybe camera will show the culprits. Thought about throwing a bigger selection on garden plot I tilled that same day, but didn't have the time.
10x10 is pretty much a waste of time. It may get eaten but won't be a destination food source.
Had to have something. Better than weeds right? And it's right on the edge of the alfalfa. Nothing like a little dessert to wrap up a meal.
I grew up hunting in the south where we had 10-15 food plots on our leases and spent hundreds of hours in and around them. They were typically a 1/2 acre to 5 or 6 acres. Hunting the trails to the alfalfa will be a lot more productive than a 10x10 spot. The plots were ok for shooting dinks and the rare mature buck in season. The less pressure they had, the better but I preferred to hunt about 50yds off the plot. The better bucks tend to hold up and make scrapes out of boredom and anxiousness waiting around for dusk..
Post by: PA BEN on May 22, 2025, 10:19:14 AM
Post by: hunter399 on May 22, 2025, 02:22:27 PM
I'm not saying I haven't ever used bait, but I've harvested more deer without bait than with.I can pretty much say the same.👍
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Post by: vandeman17 on June 06, 2025, 08:34:50 AM
Post by: emac on June 06, 2025, 10:03:32 AM
Had about 20 mule deer laying in my pasture next to my driveway this morning. They were all within a couple feet of each other. I guess they didn't get the memo and adhere to the 6' social distancing rule to stay safe from CWD.Exactly why the no baiting rule is just completely stupid.
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Post by: hunt4 on June 06, 2025, 11:44:49 AM
The thing that kills me is......the deer are still going to eat in their family groups. Whitetail especially all eat the same feed, regardless of bait or natural forage. We have 5-6 groups of does / fawns that all eat live in the same area. The eat off the same bushes, grasses, ect. You can watch one group eat and walk off....just to see another group in that same area eating and drinking out of the same exact spot. This isn't going to stop the spread of anything in my humble opinion, but is otherwise one more controlling factor WDFW and the Commission have on hunters.Exactly!! Explained perfectly.
If anything.....it is going to harm these deer during the winter when they benefit from supplemental feed. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on June 06, 2025, 12:02:22 PM
Yup, I agree, explained perfectly.The thing that kills me is......the deer are still going to eat in their family groups. Whitetail especially all eat the same feed, regardless of bait or natural forage. We have 5-6 groups of does / fawns that all eat live in the same area. The eat off the same bushes, grasses, ect. You can watch one group eat and walk off....just to see another group in that same area eating and drinking out of the same exact spot. This isn't going to stop the spread of anything in my humble opinion, but is otherwise one more controlling factor WDFW and the Commission have on hunters.Exactly!! Explained perfectly.
If anything.....it is going to harm these deer during the winter when they benefit from supplemental feed. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on June 06, 2025, 12:05:49 PM
Had about 20 mule deer laying in my pasture next to my driveway this morning. They were all within a couple feet of each other. I guess they didn't get the memo and adhere to the 6' social distancing rule to stay safe from CWD.Also agree
I can look anywhere in my county.
Same elk,same deer ......
Will eat in the same pasture,same spot every day and nite.
Usually where the grass is the greener.